Utopia Talk / Movie Talk / The Walking Dead

Hot Rod Member	Fri Jan 14 22:46:11 A two night marathon of the first season starts Tuesday night on AMC (American Movie Channel). I'm going to try to watch both nights because I only saw one episode and liked it.
The Powers That Be Member	Sat Jan 15 10:21:32 That's nice.
The Children Member	Sat Jan 15 13:45:09 Is this a TV series? Sounds interesting.
The Children Member	Sat Jan 15 13:46:11 A quick google said there are only 6 episodes? Where can I dl?
The Children Member	Sun Jan 16 07:55:09 Just watched episode 1. All I gotta say is this: FUCK YEA!!!
The Children Member	Sun Jan 16 11:40:17 Yea this show is pretty neat. Nothing too fancy or great and the zombies are retarded. At times, it gets slow but for a TV show, its pretty neat so far. 7 out of 10.
The Children Member	Sun Jan 16 13:53:00 A bit of a letdown in the later stages. The best parts were the early stages where he wakes up and doesnt know wtf is going on. As he comes to grip with reality, he finds other survivors in the city and they team up together. The later episodes are kind of a letdown and boring. Overall I would lower my score a bit to 6.5 out of 10. The series has potential. They need to upgrade the living dead to more scary mean mothafkers and maybe like resident evil introduce some other nastier monsters that the group has to hide from. Some new faces in season 2 perhaps and more action orientated instead of focussing on the shitty drama.
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Jan 16 17:10:26 I was pretty happy that they didn't idle too long on the "28 Days Later" opening premise of waking into a zombie world, but it does seem difficult for them to run with their own ideas. The writing may begin to suffer.. If they make different zombie types I hope they don't go overboard. Some of the Resident Evil zombies are just too much.. or like "Left 4 Dead" where there's just so much happening and not enough realism .. as real as zombies can be anyhow :)
The Children Member	Sun Jan 16 17:20:43 "I was pretty happy that they didn't idle too long on the "28 Days Later" opening premise of waking into a zombie world," >> ure a frikkin moron. Thats the best part of zombie movies. Wake up, discover different world, shock changes to survival, survival alone changes to meeting total strangers, total strangers forming alliance to survive, zombies test alliance over and over again. Thats the best part of zombie flicks. What usually happens is that after these events, the movies action meter drop to zero because there is too much focus on relationships between survivors. It should be kept to a minimum period. Some people can get along fine, others are downright assholes but considering the situation they form an uneasy alliance, some are traitors, just different characters in one group. And than just have the zombies try to break in over and over again. And when things get to dull, throw in a nasty critter that shakes the group.
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Jan 16 22:21:47 I understand the formula, I'm referring to how the main character wakes up in exactly the same way as the "28 Days Later" character (coma, hospital, everyone's dead). It can be acceptable as a tribute to that zombie movie, but if they had stuck with the tribute for too long then it becomes a remake, which would not be terribly interesting. There are some pieces of zombie lore that future zombie creations can draw and benefit from, but if they're nothing but references then it may as well be on "Family Guy." So I'm still glad that they didn't idle too long and that this main character is clearly different beyond the opening scenes..
Firestorm Phoenix Member	Sun Jan 16 23:36:55 Muslim knows little of what makes something quality. I suggest you also pick up the trades of the comic. It is very win.
The Children Member	Mon Jan 17 04:58:30 If Im a muslim than youre a white flag waving french frog, dumbass. And where can I get the comic.
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Sep 11 16:42:21 I finished disc 1 last night.. I've caught episodes at random but not watched them in order until now It's okay. I like the zombie effects and scenery, but the characters are irritating already and Andrew Lincoln (Grimes/main character) is hardly an exception with his growing Kevin Sorbo Ego Complex. I'm not happy to see "Crazy-Eyes" Callies from 'Prison Break' in anything, but more upset that there aren't any strong female roles. Laurie Holden wasn't even off to a good start, and Jeryl Prescott as the obligatory, Rosa Parks character is just -waiting- to rebuild stereotypes. The most annoying thing right now is the writing, especially of character relationships.. it is *way* to similar to the irredeemable stupidity of "The Mist." It can't be a cooincidence that Jeffrey DeMunn and Laurie Holden were both in that, [and now I've searched and see that "The Mist" has the same creator as this show, so maybe this is all Frank Darabont's fault]. Really though, some of the situations and dialogue are uselessly frustrating. Intelligence levels have been set way too low. Like the scene where Jeffrey DeMunn (who is apparently supposed to be the sagacious articulate, though his use of the word "paltry" has already broadcast the faux nature of that) approaches character Jim in the middle of digging holes in the earth and sees a problem with it. Why? In that same situation it would have been fine enough to just pour some water on him to keep him cool and wait for him to speak, but instead, DeMunn tells Walsh and it is not only Walsh that goes to the top of a distant peak but **everyone from the camp!!** What? Seriously? He wasn't digging in the middle of camp, he was off on his own. And this line about scaring the children? Again: seriously? The children could not have cared that someone 500 meters away was digging holes. It was all just a poorly invented altercation. All that it proved for the show is that there is no voice of reason in this group and the writers don't know what to do with all the people. The zombies will be their only solution. Funny also is that with all the characters they *did* introduce, only two die in the night-time zombie invasion. The other people they show die -- who *were* those people? Did they have even a single frame? lol, complaints aside I still like it. The zombies are still worth the pain of seeing stupid people in social situations. I think the writing of Breaking Bad is spoiling me is all :D
The Children Member	Sun Sep 11 16:48:05 Agreed with the annoying characters. But the Resident Evil outbreak type series = awesomeness. Needs more zombie action and more survival action scenes and less drama from character interaction. Dont really like some of the characters. They are indeed annoyingly slow. "approaches character Jim in the middle of digging holes in the earth and sees a problem with it. Why? In that same situation it would have been fine enough to just pour some water on him to keep him cool and wait for him to speak, but instead," >> yah. That episode was retarded. Best episodes were 2 and 3. When they got stuck in the city, not knowing how to get out. The other episodes were weird. Some gangs protecting the elderly? wtf? redneck dude getting visions of the future and starts to dig holes? Wtf?
Tragically Hip Member	Sun Sep 11 16:53:45 You should check out Dead Set if you like zombies.
The Children Member	Sun Sep 11 16:55:32 "Dead Set is a critically acclaimed BAFTA-nominated horror drama created by English writer Charlie Brooker. The series is set in the Big Brother house, and was first aired on E4 on 27 October 2008. The five episodes, aired over five consecutive nights, chronicle a zombie outbreak that strands the housemates and production staff inside the house, which quickly becomes a shelter from the undead." >> ahaha not bad! I might check it out right now actually. Bored as hell.
Tragically Hip Member	Sun Sep 11 16:57:21 It's scary...I couldn't watch to the end haha.
chuck Member	Sun Sep 11 17:06:03 Apparently all the writers from season 1 were fired. Think I saw that Darabont was miffed about the lack of story progression. It's an entertaining show. The characters can be grating but I enjoy seeing the zombie scenario written as a serial. I've yet to read the comics on which the series is based but from what I've heard, a cast full of unlikable main characters would jibe pretty well with the source material.
The Children Member	Sun Sep 11 17:12:28 I hope dead set gets better as the story progresses cause right now episode 1 is a bore. A low budget bore.
The Children Member	Sun Sep 11 17:22:19 Oh yea! Now we are talking. Took about 20 minutes of bore, but hopefully well worth the wait.
Tragically Hip Member	Sun Sep 11 17:28:22 Haha. Low-budget? I didn't think it looked too bad.
The Children Member	Sun Sep 11 17:46:35 Just watched episode 1. I like it. Im not a big fan of british horror flicks or zombie flicks. The problem is that its shot by some cheap camera thats on some dude's shoulder, some dude who cant stop shaking. I think he is more scared of the special effects than the audience. As a result you get the same effect as with transformers bay: you can barely tell wtf is going on screen. Its annoying, its irritating, its a cheap trick to conceal low budget effects.
The Children Member	Mon Sep 12 12:44:59 Dead set has not lived up to the wonderfull premise. Had lots of potential but ultimately ruined by the low budget, the shitty actors, the shitty character interaction, the lousy storyline, the "big brother" setting, the shaky and highly irritating camera work and the lack of action.
Tragically Hip Member	Mon Sep 12 21:05:02 ...Maybe you'd like Attack the Block...I was able to find a DVDrip at torrentz.com
The Children Member	Wed Sep 14 01:51:30 Ok, Ill check out attack the block. I see its rated 7 at imdb, though it sounds like low budget to me. But we'll see.
Cherub Cow Member	Sat Sep 17 02:34:30 I finished the last two episodes.. It really is all Frank Darabont's fault :( .. the dialogue and character action in the CDC scene when Dr. Jenner decided to lock them in for group Kool-Aid was difficult to watch. No one was behaving like a real person :/ .. there are a lot of ways it could be better, but I'll still look forward to the new season (October 16): <3 zombies :D
krazy kat Member	Mon Oct 10 03:29:13 lucky u.. malaysia only gettin it oct23rd but i duno is it full episodes or just 1... sighs
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Oct 17 03:50:36 Soooo, season opener.. right back to the hate :( I love the zombies, but what I hate is when any of the characters talk, interact with each other, decide on things, do things, and react to things. I think that means that I hate the characters and the writers. I watched the entire episode thinking, "are you kidding? *That's* what they're doing?".. so really, *really* cheering for the zombies now. I'm starting to accept -that- as the entire purpose of the show; to present all of these characters and make you hate them so that you can rejoice in their being eaten. So here's the order in which I think they should all die, based on who is the most annoying: (1) Jeffrey DeMunn - The Pseudo-Intellect must go first. (2) Laurie Holden - the motiveless suicidal is a total mess and would have died much sooner if she didn't have a protective group. It's good that she's planning to -leave- the group. (3) Andrew Lincoln - I know he's the main character so he's basically immortal, but the speeches, the pleas, the faux leadership.. (4) Melissa Suzanne McBride - the subservient who somehow finds cause to blame Rick for her missing daughter. Wait... *your* daughter ran off but it's *his* fault that he couldn't find her before dark? (5) Madison Lintz - (Sophia) would have been off the radar except for her stunt this episode (6) Jon Bernthal - a male chauvinist with no deductive skills for people (7) Chandler Riggs - (Grimes' son) Kind annoying, but mostly off the radar. Really liked his role at the end of the episode ;D (8) IronE Singleton - Was doing fine enough, but has now proven to clumsiness. Dropping the handcuff key, badly cutting himself on a door.. :/ .. (2ndLast) Steven Yeun - Almost last because he's quiet, useful, and stays out of the mob stupidity. His major mistake was driving a car with its alarm active all the way from the city to the camp. Seriously? All that time to think on the drive back and it didn't occur to him that the zombie beacon they had used as a distraction would not cease to be a beacon? Still, *that* mistake somehow makes him less of a wreck than most :/ (Last) Norman Reedus - To die near the end because he's from 'Boondock Saints,' complained a little early on about his brother but is otherwise very useful. He'll probably die sooner though, exactly because he's useful. One major mistake though.. the motorcycle. Really? Zombies are attracted to noise but he gets this ridiculous, noise machine? The writing hasn't improved, with Andrea not being able to put together a handgun (frame, barrel, spring, slide: wow.. where do they all go? This complex puzzle has four pieces) as part of a plot device... all of them hiding under cars?? Well it almost worked, whatever. Andrea complaining that she didn't have a handgun and making fun of the edged weapons -- umm, you people still don't get that zombies are attracted to noise? Running towards the church bell?? Again, noise? If it was to search for Sophia they should have gone as soon as they saw that she wasn't there.. instead there is some superstitious prayer dialogue thrown in, people having conversations and private discussions within feet of other characters, and no one thought to shoot Jesus in the head to keep him from rising.. :/ ;p I miss Breaking Bad already :'(
The Children Member	Mon Oct 17 15:03:41 bleh episode 1 was a disappoint.
chuck Member	Mon Oct 17 16:58:08 Other reviews of premier are more or less in line with this one. Sad because the show definitely has its moments.
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Oct 17 19:30:29 I did like what happened at the *end* of the episode :D (Bad things don't happen to children enough)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Oct 18 12:46:17 first episode i've seen not sure how the old guy with binoculars at an elevated position can't spot a slow-moving army, and makes no attempt to warn anyone once seen but i agree with the good ending... except for the deer getting hit... been better if the deer charged the kid
Dakyron Member	Tue Oct 18 14:31:25 I dont get why they keep fixing this gas guzzling RV when there are 1,000,000 abandoned cars they could grab instead. Also, the RV probably takes diesel, not unleaded. Still worth watching though.
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Oct 18 22:10:53 "I dont get why they keep fixing this gas guzzling RV when there are 1,000,000 abandoned cars they could grab instead." Exactly! "Oh, we need to fix the RV again." ... umm.. why?? Is it a sentimental thing? Is it a space issue? If so there are other trucks here; stealing the water truck could work, but keeping the RV? There's no sense in keeping a fixer-upper when there's no one else alive and most of those much newer vehicles probably still have the keys in them. And again with those weak, Jeffrey DeMunn plot devices -- "oh I'm not going to fix it because if they come back without Sophia I don't want them to leave her" -- right :/
The Powers That Be Member	Sun Oct 23 20:01:09 With a new episode on in about 15 minutes, let me just respond to some comments made here: Norman Reedus on a motorcycle bothered me as well. Why would you ride a Harley and start picking up all the wandering mobs along the way? Sticking with the vehicle thread, I'm a little miffed also with why they chose to keep the old rickety RV when (as mentioned) there are thousands and thousands of abandoned cars that cannot be more than a few months old that probably only need some TLC in order to get running again. And the old dude saying at the beginning of the episode that they "couldn't spare the fuel"? Guh??? Have you looked out the window lately at all the abandoned cars? Negatives aside, I wish that the rules of this universe were a little more clearly spelled out. It seems that the zombies are the standard "classic" zombies in which they can't sprint at you like in Dawn of the Dead or 28 Days Later, yet they seem to be able to climb steps as shown in the episode where Reedus' brother is stuck on the roof and has to cut his hand off. The zombies are sensitive to sound and smell - so while the survivors were able to dodge them by diving under the cars and keeping quiet, shouldn't they have been alerted by smelling them mere feet away? Apparently in the comic the zombie virus was something everyone on earth became infected with, however, they only transformed into a walker upon death. The tv show infection transforms a human into a zombie merely from the bite itself. They seem to be rotting away naturally - so perhaps if the survivors would hole up somewhere for a few months the zombie epidemic would burn itself out. Do the zombies retain memories of their past life? The scene when the group comes across the zombies sitting in pews in the church makes me wonder if that's the case. An episode last season showed a zombie breaking a window with a rock - so some sort of past memories must remain. I hope they also explain why some of the undead walk around solo while others roam in huge mobs.
Dakyron Member	Sun Oct 23 21:44:21 "I hope they also explain why some of the undead walk around solo while others roam in huge mobs. " Most people are sheep, some are loners. That could explain it. "They seem to be rotting away naturally - so perhaps if the survivors would hole up somewhere for a few months the zombie epidemic would burn itself out. " I've wondered this as well. There seems to be no plan at all as to what they hell they are doing. They just run from one place to another. Obviously the world has gone to shit. There isnt a "safe place". Wouldnt you just find a remote place and start over?
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Oct 24 01:00:20 "The zombies are sensitive to sound and smell..." I know :/ .. that same thing really bothered me. I was complaining to people about stuff in the comments here too, btw: http://scr...36512/comment-page-3/#comments This is what I said about that.. Last season the zombies were able to smell living meat *in the rain* and *through the smell of zombie innards all over Rick and Glenn* (a stupid concept), yet in the season 2 opener somehow being under a car or under a body is enough. When the scene first happened I was expecting the group to be grabbed immediately and lose at least a couple people — I couldn’t believe the characters didn’t hide in trunks or cars with what they *should* have known (moving off the road could have gotten them spotted in the open) — but the scene fizzled when it was clear that the writers weren’t paying attention. ..... As far as the RV, Someone mentioned something that *sort of* has me on the fence about that now.. On the one hand, in a survival situation someone who is proactive would ditch anything that didn't work, so they *should* have just grabbed a new vehicle as soon as they found a working alternative in that traffic jam. But.. the other thing is that the RV has cooking appliances, cabinet storage, seating, a bathroom, a height advantage, and is otherwise what it is: a mobile -home-.. I can sort of understand survivors wanting those things for day-to-day living in spite of the danger of being stranded. But again! If it is breaking down it is not worth it, especially as a continuing issue. So I've decided to be okay with it .. for now :D .. so long as they either wise up and ditch it if it even hints at breaking again, or they stop at one of the hundreds of RV-Sellers that must be in that area and steal a new, working one. -=-= -=-= The second episode was pretty okay I thought :) ..I noticed they had Pruitt Taylor Vince (known for his vibrating eye / "Identity", "Monster") as the negligent shooter. And even though it starts from the bad writing of the first episode, the only thing that annoyed me about this episode was when Sarah Wayne Callies got mad at the doctor for really being a veterinarian. I would understand her becoming frozen with fear at the realization that the best chance her son, Carl, has is in the hands of someone who has worked only on animals, but she gets mad *at* him, like it's his fault that one of the few people alive isn't an ER surgeon :/ .. I think that's just bad direction. In the same situation I might have (wide-eyed of course :p ) asked, ".. but you can do this, right?" to try to give us both an opportunity for assurance.. but I suppose that's minor enough. I was also a little surprised that Shane and P.T. Vince didn't make a plan for leaving the medical shelter before they rushed into it, but I can understand that kind of a mistake given their situation and characters. When they were running away I was thinking of Zombieland Rule #1: cardio :D .. don't think Vince is going to make it :p If they can keep doing episodes like this, I think it will be a much better season. Like this episode Rick wanted to make a mistake, but they wouldn't let him.. that's progress. Looking forward to the next one :D
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Oct 24 17:09:55 i imagine a doc/vet wouldn't appreciate hearing "STOP! You're killing him!" while trying to work
The Powers That Be Member	Mon Oct 24 18:35:14 "But.. the other thing is that the RV has cooking appliances, cabinet storage, seating, a bathroom, a height advantage, and is otherwise what it is: a mobile -home-.. I can sort of understand survivors wanting those things for day-to-day living in spite of the danger of being stranded." ^ This. It's what I would use if I was a writer as the justification of keeping the mobile home. Sure, you could just hijack an F-150 with a cherry picker on the back but what other use would the vehicle serve besides a lookout post? The old RV seems to offer enough positive attributes to outweigh ditching it for something else. You could also make the case that it's familiar to the old guy and the rest of them - it provides a little bit of familiarity in a world that is totally unrecognizable. "I noticed they had Pruitt Taylor Vince (known for his vibrating eye / "Identity", "Monster") as the negligent shooter." The fat guy shooting the deer and the kid was a little off-putting to me. As a hunter, you have to be absolutely sure what the backstop is going to be for any shot you take. It seems like the boy was only 10 yards from the deer. How could he have not seen him? Maybe in a newly depopulated world if you're a hunter and see a buck like that you don't hesitate and take the shot without a second thought. "I was also a little surprised that Shane and P.T. Vince didn't make a plan for leaving the medical shelter before they rushed into it" Agreed. I figured they would've brought some flares with them and lit and thrown them right after exiting the trailer. Maybe they figured they were just going to GTFO with much haste.
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Oct 24 20:59:33 "i imagine a doc/vet wouldn't appreciate hearing 'STOP! You're killing him!' while trying to work" lol -- yeah! That wasn't very helpful :D .. I think maybe he's trying to help your son? :p "shooting the deer and the kid" Definitely a stretch for that to happen, but good comic relief ;D
The Children Member	Tue Oct 25 10:04:42 ep2 was better than ep 1 imo. But not by much. The problem with the series so far? The characters. The first few episodes of season 1 was great because of the characters. Each character brought something to the table. Now its all about the cop and wife and his friend. Everyone else dropped to the background and dont really mean anything. So if one of them gets killed, so what. Well, the what in this case is that it makes the show boring. It has so far not lived up to the hype.
Dakyron Member	Tue Oct 25 13:08:05 The characters are exactly the sort of idiots who exist in the real world. Running into the building without a defined exit plans is just the sort of idiocy I would expect from 99% of the people I know. Yelling "stop, you are killing him" is also the kind of nonsense you hear in a hospital all the time. My only beef with the 2nd season so far is the lack of direction they have. By now everyone has realized that there is no one coming to save them, yet they keep acting like it.
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Oct 25 14:45:56 "Running into the building without a defined exit plan..." I'm totally okay with them running into the school building at the end -- they were cornered and that was quick thinking, plus they showed that Shane didn't *want* to use the shotgun but that it was the only option. The medical shed, however, they had a little more time to think since they weren't in immediate danger. Like I said, I get that they *didn't* make an exit plan (these aren't critical thinkers and planners, that's been clear)... this is just to clarify which building I meant :p "lack of direction" Definitely.. it looks like they'll be spending a few episodes at this farm house, and that maybe they'll watch T-Dog and Daryl [[ :( :'( :( ]] turn into zombies there.. Daryl is just too useful... but even if they make it to Fort Benning like they hope to do, it's not going to be for rescue like they're pretending. It'll help the overarching story though, as they may find another CDC-Type information situation, and maybe they'll find one of the armouries :D
Dakyron Member	Tue Oct 25 15:35:07 I think Sophia and her mother will probably die next episode. Only to be replaced with Otis and family.
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Oct 30 23:36:09 Season 2: Episode 3 <<< Spoilers >>> Pretty good! No big writing errors in this episode (2 decent episodes in a row! Wow!). Having all of the characters split up may be helping the writers manage the stories. Minor dialogue complaints, but at this point it's just character quirks. I did think it was a terrible idea for Andrea and Daryl to go patrolling in the woods at night.. it would be difficult to say if that was bad characters or bad writers, but inside the show I think they're lucky that nothing terrible happened. Another kind of strange decision was having Shane and Otis split up at the beginning, but it worked out. It seems like they both should have gone through the locker room, but since Shane was covering Otis' escape, it became sensible because Otis probably made it to the locker room door and closed it without trouble thanks to Shane. .. I did see the specifics of Otis' fate coming when Shane returned to the farm but the editing hadn't shown *how* he had come to be alone. I wasn't positive at first, but when he kept looking down it spoke a lot of concealed guilt, so it was like, "Oh neat! He must have shot Otis for zombie bait -- let's see!" annnnd...Confirmed! \:D/ .. also, it's a good thing that Daryl killed the tree zombie, because I could see that zombie escaping the noose and following them to camp otherwise. It was -maybe- strange that he didn't cut the zombie down to retrieve the arrow, but it's possible it suddenly occurred to him that it was night and therefore unsafe to try.. *suddenly* :/ .. hopefully there won't be a cheap plot device later where he's an arrow short and there's one zombie left :| ..I wonder if Maggie Green (Lauren Cohan; farm character) will discover zombie Otis and notice the gunshot wound. She seems like she could have been cast for vengeance. .. looks like T-Dog's possible zombie-ness and Daryl's end of awesome-ness will be delayed.. so that's good :p ..last.. I watched that "Talking Dead" thing. That host isn't very bright. It looked like he didn't realize that Shane was missing hair because Otis had yanked it out. And it seemed pretty clear that Shane was shaving his head because it was evidence which he might have to explain to someone, but the show host was trying to say it was Shane "transforming" .. That may well be, but it is not the *reason* he cut his hair (as the host implied). This isn't "Red Dragon" Shane did make a big decision with Otis that shows his adapting senses, and shaving his head -- in addition to hiding evidence -- may have helped to 'cleanse' himself of that tough decision, but I doubt his mental process was, "Oh, I just killed someone, I'm super cool meow, I'm gonna shave my head! Rawr!" Shane is like Riddick now; people are his survival pawns ;p .. he's just shown that he can adapt moment-to-moment to survive both the zombies (with makeshift bait) and the relationship needs of the people around him (covering up decisions that people holding onto morality might not like). Also thought it was funny that Felicia Day was talking about being "a big Left4Dead" player when it comes to strategy, so she wouldn't have done what Shane did (would look for other options). Yeah.. unfortunately strategy doesn't help when it's two people limping around with no ammo. Even in Left4Dead, two people limping are in bad shape... :/
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Oct 31 00:03:40 i liked the tree zombie! the meat of his legs was eaten so it would've been hard for him to follow them Talking Dead not on yet in my time zone, but looking forward to Felicia :p
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Oct 31 00:35:43 "the meat of his legs was eaten so it would've been hard for him to follow them" Oh that's true.. hard to tell where you're going if you can't get more than a foot off the ground :p ..Forgot to mention the flashlights that Daryl and Andrea were using.. it kind of goes with the bad idea of patrolling at night though. They wouldn't have been able to see without them, but they attract zombies.. so *not* using them via *not* patrolling would have been the better thing :/
chuck Member	Mon Oct 31 22:58:58 I'm interested that the Walking Dead has had its zombies consist basically entirely of walkers. In the very cool World War Z (get the audiobook, it's a great listen) the most dangerous of all zombies were the crawlers because they were like land mines that followed you. Sadly it looks like the World War Z film adaptation is going off the rails: "Paramount's World War Z is not Max Brooks' World War Z. As anyone who has read (and no doubt subsequently fallen in love with) the latter, it's about an agent of the UN's Postwar Commission who goes around the world to interview survivors of the zombie apocalypse in order to understand exactly how it happened. He's just a researcher trying to unearth facts that the UN might not want to get out whilst making sense of this big, bloody, global brain-eating mess. He is NOT an employee "in a race against time to stop the Zombie pandemic." He's not even a little bit of that. Not even a fraction."
Dakyron Member	Mon Oct 31 23:41:02 ***************************************** WILL CONTAIN SPOILERS ***************************************** ***************************************** OK, warning given. Last episode was really good. Shane's actions were completely in character, other than he should have shot the poor dude in the head, and not let him get eaten to death. Happy to see Ive slowly gotten my wife involved in the series. She went from utter revulsion in the first episode to genuine interest in this last one. The look of disgust on her face when Otis was shot was highly amusing. Great episode for Halloween night. I was a little worried after episode 1, but its gotten good again. =)
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Nov 01 01:49:34 <<< spoiler continues >>> I think shooting him in the leg (as opposed to the head) was the right move :D I'm sure the zombies would have stopped and eaten him anyways, but having someone on the ground -- flailing and screaming -- would attract the attention of a lot more zombies (fewer for Shane). And it seems to make sense even in the panic of the moment. He wouldn't be thinking of the most humane decision, he probably just found it wasn't necessary to *kill* Otis, just put him in a position where the zombies would catch -him- first (escape a bear by running faster than your friends) ;) ..
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Nov 01 01:56:30 "I'm interested that the Walking Dead has had its zombies consist basically entirely of walkers." Next week's preview has me wondering about that. I didn't and probably won't read the comics to find out how/if the zombies change, but what they showed at the bottom of the well looked a little different. Then again, these characters have enough trouble with the regular ones, so maybe there won't be time for any big Resident Evil mutations
chuck Member	Tue Nov 01 10:01:53 "Then again, these characters have enough trouble with the regular ones, so maybe there won't be time for any big Resident Evil mutations" They are crawlers as opposed to walkers because they, for whatever reason, have found themselves missing the proper equipment (legs!) to qualify as walkers. Though I guess that raises the question of how they would be formed. This is only ~60 days after the world became zombiefied IIRC. The zombies haven't had time to really decay (are they even supposed to in this universe?). I haven't ventured into the comics either...yet...but in World War Z the crawlers were the result of executing bombing runs on the zombies which destroyed limbs but failed to destroy their brains. They weren't a special kind, just a decayed/damaged version of the real things. I'd suggest staying away from the comics for a while yet. From what I've read about them, the show doesn't track the comic very closely/at all but there are still things that seem likely to be spoilers.
The Powers That Be Member	Tue Nov 01 11:13:14 "I'm interested that the Walking Dead has had its zombies consist basically entirely of walkers. In the very cool World War Z (get the audiobook, it's a great listen) the most dangerous of all zombies were the crawlers because they were like land mines that followed you. Sadly it looks like the World War Z film adaptation is going off the rails" Not to go off on a tangent, but where did you hear this? I read the wiki for the upcoming WWZ film and I don't get the indication whatsoever that it's about "stopping a pandemic". It seems that Brad Pitt is going to play roughly the same character from the book - about a UN investigator who travels the globe to collect interviews about the war that happened previously. The book is fantastic, by the way. Ok, my thoughts on the episode: I'm starting to like Shane now. His attempted rape of Lori last season made me disgusted with him and looking forward to his elimination. But this episode did a complete 180 for me in my perception with him - Rick telling the story about how he stole the principal's car during lunch period and made it back to school so there was no way he could be implicated put a smile on my face. Then the revelation of his shooting Otis to save himself and get the supplies back to the farm further made me cheer for him. Say whatever you want about Otis and his quest for redemption - he shot Carl. And he was fat. As Cherub Cow mentioned, if you don't practice rule #1 in Zombieland, you end up a zombie. This episode to me contained the Carl shooting plot in the background and was all about Shane and his further slip into a "do whatever it takes" mindset. I agree with Cherub Cow that the cutting of his hair was more of a way to eliminate evidence - as he did when he sprinted those 3 miles back to school when he stole that car all those years ago. We now see that Shane is good at doing dirty things and getting away with it. However, one of the things that has made me like his conflicted character more so than all the others is his intentions. He loves Carl. He also loves Lori - albeit in a somewhat selfish way. I'm sure he also loves Rick too, but Lori being his wife is probably going to drive a wedge between the two of them. That said, his shooting of Otis could be seen as a selfish attempt to save himself, but it could also be seen as a way to ensure that one of them made it back to save Carl's life. If you're a little more evil, it could also be seen as a way of punishing Otis for shooting Carl to begin with (always make sure you know what your backstop is before you take your shot! This is hunting 101 for God's sake!). The ambiguity is what I absolutely love and what makes this the best episode since the pilot for me. "Then again, these characters have enough trouble with the regular ones, so maybe there won't be time for any big Resident Evil mutations" I really hope we don't see anything like this. If Nemesis comes out of the forest with a mini-gun and rocket launcher I'm never watching another episode again. However I wouldn't be adverse to seeing curious zombie behavior - for instance last episode when the group came across the zombies sitting in the pews just waiting. That to me was interesting because it wasn't displaying something out of character like the zombies skittering up the walls and running around on the ceiling but rather a behavior the zombies exhibit that implies maybe a tiny bit of their humanity remains in the form of habits or a social mentality. "This is only ~60 days after the world became zombiefied IIRC. The zombies haven't had time to really decay (are they even supposed to in this universe?)." I would say yes. It definitely seems like a lot of these walkers are breaking down naturally. I postulated earlier in the thread that they should just seek out building on super high ground and wait a few months to see if the zombie pandemic just burns itself out due to decay. I think even in World War Z it was eluded to that the zombies would break down naturally - however it would take many years for that to happen as there were entire hordes of zombies stuck on the ocean floor for years afterward.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Nov 01 12:07:13 i think next week's zombie is just a bloated 'floater' one from being in the water
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Nov 01 15:53:28 "They are crawlers as opposed to walkers because they, for whatever reason, have found themselves missing the proper equipment (legs!) to qualify as walkers." Oh, okay. I was thinking L4D "mudders" or something :D --- "I'm starting to like Shane now. His attempted rape of Lori last season made me disgusted with him and looking forward to his elimination. But this episode did a complete 180 for me in my perception with him" Totally agree! I'm very interested to see where things will go with him. His mistakes last season give him a lot of room for change. I wonder how confrontational he'll be with Rick, with Rick being weakened and Shane empowered? --- "If Nemesis comes out of the forest with a mini-gun and rocket launcher I'm never watching another episode again." Wouldn't that be awesome??!? :D lol.. no.. I don't want that either :p --- "i think next week's zombie is just a bloated 'floater' one from being in the water" .. think you're right, and that at the most this zombie was being fed by the farm workers or something. I'm totally into this show now. If we get three good episodes in a row.. oh I don't want to jinx it :p
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Nov 06 21:56:57 Not too much to say about this latest episode, but it didn't make me angry so it qualifies as three good episodes in a row :) The well thing was a sort of tangent, but T-Dog got to show his zombie killing skills (wants to be useful)... also it could end up contaminating the water supply? Probably not ..Thought that Maggie and Glenn would find zombie Otis, but they may be saving that. Glenn was a little funny in that scene :p More or less a cross-over episode, with Lori's discovery and other character play. Kind of like the random golf episodes of Lost ;D
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Nov 06 21:57:45 Oh, and Daryl is awesome :)
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Nov 06 22:10:34 ++ Was it just me or, when the group was talking about killing Sophia (if she was found as a zombie), did Maggie and Hershel have a look to one-another that maybe said.. "They kill zombies they know?" .. I wonder if they've kept those of their group who have turned, somewhere. Maybe the well-zombie was a farmhand..
chuck Member	Sun Nov 06 22:32:18 "I wonder if they've kept those of their group who have turned, somewhere." They did poo poo the idea of them setting up camp next to the barn...
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Nov 07 00:27:36 i think you're on to something the pretty girl was first to object to shooting bloaty too
The Powers That Be Member	Mon Nov 07 15:47:33 I had some issues with this episode. Firstly, what were they thinking during the whole "let's get the zombie out of the well" endeavor? The cute girl said before they have numerous wells on the property - when Dale discovered the floater in the well he should've just backed away, told the vet guy and let them deal with it. "Well, we can't just leave him down there." WTF!!! OF COURSE YOU CAN!!! There's 4 other wells on the farm's property! Use one of them! That pissed me off initially. What pissed me off even more was using human bait to try and get it out of there. Think about it: the world is in an apocalyptic transition. The human race is now an endangered species. You can't take stupid risks unless absolutely necessary. So potentially sacrificing Glenn to get some goddamn zombie out of a well is full-blown retarded. Its fitting it split in half and polluted the well anyways - the whole ordeal was just episodic time-filler. Nothing more. The well thing was my biggest beef with the episode. It was neat to see Glenn the nerd get some, but I didn't really see the point to it. Hey! It's the end of the world! Let's bang! Whatever. The episode seemed to elude to Daryl possibly finding Sophia's hideout - or maybe some other feral human. At this point I don't really care about finding Sophia. The Carl getting shot storyline pushed that one to the back burner. All my attention is on Shane and what sort of part he's going to continue to play in this season.
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Nov 07 18:39:07 "So potentially sacrificing Glenn to get some goddamn zombie out of a well is full-blown retarded" lol, that *is* true. When I was watching that I was thinking, "did they even give him a weapon?" I also didn't get why they needed bait at all? If the zombie is unreactive, then they could just increase the noose size and slip it under its arms anyways.. or two nooses; one for each arm.. they definitely had enough rope for options.. I think the only reason I didn't get more upset was because nothing happened.. I did support their idea of getting the zombie out, since there could be a ground water issue between the wells, but you're right: "You can't take stupid risks unless absolutely necessary." .. and they are taking a lot. Like Daryl shouldn't have been out on his own. He may know how to take care of himself, but it's not safe to wander off. Not taking precautions is going to catch up with them.. with Lori's discovery and with the preview they showed of the next episode.. it looks like they're learning that :/ ... "Daryl possibly finding Sophia's hideout - or maybe some other feral human" That camera angle they showed from inside the house he was clearing seemed to say that. The angle was from inside the wall to the right, through the slot in the boards, but they smoothed it out by showing the empty cupboard he opened. I was expecting a zombie to crash through the wall, but I wonder if there was someone there...
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Nov 07 18:49:12 "Glenn the nerd get some, but I didn't really see the point to it. Hey! It's the end of the world! Let's bang! Whatever." lol, and I'm guessing that traditional-Hershel will find out and Glenn will be in trouble for that -- Maggie is scheming :D Random thought.. It looks like all remaining season 2 episodes will take place on the farm... Maggie and Hershel are signed on for 12 episodes, and Otis for 8. With *that* many Otis episodes, I'm more convinced that there's going to be a "Survival of the Dead" situation with zombies kept in the barn.
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Nov 07 18:56:26 ...or 5 more episodes of flashbacks with Otis :p
The Powers That Be Member	Mon Nov 07 18:56:59 I'm not too thrilled about this season sticking to the farm - I kind of wanted to see the group continue on its journey and have to deal with roving zombie mobs and come across interesting characteristics of a world without law and order. Instead we're subject to quasi-religious overtones and a more metered pace. I guess I'm just really disappointed in this episode. Last week's was fantastic in both progression and the twist at the end that this week's "hijinks!" episode pissed me off. A pointless scene with the pickled well zombie and Glenn putting his thing down on Maggie left me wanting.
The Powers That Be Member	Mon Nov 07 19:00:11 "I did support their idea of getting the zombie out, since there could be a ground water issue between the wells" But think about it - that zombie looked like it had been there for days. Potentially even weeks. If there was any kind of "ground water issue" the people of the farm would've felt it by then. I think Maggie even stated in the episode that the well with the pickled zombie was used to rehydrate the horses. Which makes me wonder - how could anyone who used that well previously not here that thing splashing around in there?
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Nov 07 19:51:50 "...the well with the pickled zombie was used to rehydrate the horses." Oh, true.. animals are immune, so it wouldn't matter.. .. "how could anyone who used that well previously not here that thing splashing around in there?" Also true! I thought it was a setup by Maggie, but they've hidden that idea if it's so. That would mean that either they knew or the writers really did just invent a miscellaneous situation for them to waste time on
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Nov 07 20:13:31 a bison pulling a Shane: http://www...tE529M&feature=player_embedded
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Nov 07 20:33:52 the well zombie provided a means to get a zombie in the show without messing up the apparent safety of the farm... and also through that a means to show Maggie's disgust at killing one
chuck Member	Mon Nov 07 21:16:24 The well zombie became a crawler! My only wish for the season has been answered already. Hooray. I look forward to seeing how they dispose of the doubt vs faith conflict that arose between Rick and Hershel. Which side the show comes down on will color the rest of the series - to me at least there is only one that makes sense in the narrative of a zombie. Also, I don't know if this was overlooked, unimportant or I missed something in the show, but nobody has mentioned Rick ditching his hat (given to Carl) and then placing his badge and his shirt in the drawer. What do you think this means? Is he relinquishing control of the group (he's mentioned his leadership fatigue several episodes in a row now)? Is he washing his hands of being the guy who always has to have an answer for everybody else? Is he (I don't subscribe to this, personally) undergoing his own metamorphosis away from being a law-and-order type (albeit more orderly and slowly than Shane)?
chuck Member	Mon Nov 07 21:17:25 *narrative of a zombie flick probably other mistakes too. Not that I wrote it incorrectly, just reading mistakes on your part :P
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Nov 08 02:38:09 "Rick ditching his hat (given to Carl) and then placing his badge and his shirt in the drawer" I wonder. He could just feel like he's home.. he's really hoping Hershel will let them stay.. taking off his badges and putting them away could be reminiscent of the end of a pre-apocalypse work day.
The Children Member	Tue Nov 08 14:36:14 Episode 4 wasnt that bad imo. Easily the best episode so far till date which is quite sad. The reason: all the other characters got some screentime (finally).
Dakyron Member	Tue Nov 08 15:29:45 I dont think that house is big enough for that many people. The no-guns rule is also pretty stupid. I would move on.
Dakyron Member	Tue Nov 08 15:30:17 There are probably 1,000,000 abandoned farm houses in southern US, just grab one of them.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Nov 08 15:53:36 it's a TV show, there's gotta be conflict he keeps whining to people how horrible it is out there... i think he's planning to stay, welcome or not
The Powers That Be Member	Sun Nov 13 21:19:08 I almost had a heart attack. When Daryl came out of the woods doing the zombie shuffle and the blonde chick had to prove her balls by taking a shot from 400 yards out I almost swore off watching this show ever again. I initially didn't like Daryl, but he's started to grow on me with his devotion to finding the little girl - a reflection of his pain and heartache from constantly being abused and put-down by his sadistic racist brother. He's looking for fulfillment and he wants to find it in locating the little girl. I'm not a huge fan of writers using hallucinations to flesh out a character's desire to overcome some current obstacle. Bringing back Merle just reiterated that point for me. I wasn't too thrilled with the Merle character (or his brother) in season 1, so seeing him again even in fantasy form made me roll my eyes. Regarding the episode, it looks like some of you were right in the farm-folk keeping zombies locked up in the barn. For what hasn't been made clear yet, but now we can see where the penultimate conflict is going to come into play.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Nov 14 00:58:53 Daryl should move on and join a new party of survivors for the show to follow
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Nov 14 01:07:14 "I almost swore off watching this show ever again." Yup! That was beyond stupid. Once again, the only redeeming part of that was that she missed and nothing came of a bad decision. But she made several, really bad judgments into that moment.. like *still* not getting the noise problem of firearms, firing at an unknown target, and firing near friends who could easily have stepped too close for safety. I get that they were showing that she wants to be useful, but it also shows the continuing character of her stupidity. But.. the problem of character intelligence isn't new to the show, and it looks like Shane is going to teach her firearms responsibility in the next episode, so I'm not mad :p ..I hope Daryl doesn't turn into a zombie from the arrow and attacks :( .. "now we can see where the penultimate conflict is going to come into play" I hope they don't continue that ending scene with Maggie throwing Glenn into the zombie pit or knocking him unconscious :p .. Now I'm guessing that they'll leave the farm at the end of the season with everything on fire, for season finale continuity ;D
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Nov 14 01:09:39 "Daryl should move on and join a new party of survivors for the show to follow" That would be so great :D
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Nov 14 01:12:36 ..and correcting myself "I hope they don't continue that ending scene with Maggie throwing Glenn into the zombie pit or knocking him unconscious" I saw a preview that shows them the day after, so nvm :p
Still Well Member	Mon Nov 14 07:59:26 I wonder how they corral the zombies into the barn without releasing other zombies.
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Nov 14 13:01:14 yes.. maybe zombie catapult? I was expecting them to be in individual pens. The way they were mobbed it's kind of a wonder they haven't already escaped.
chuck Member	Mon Nov 14 20:53:43 Right on about the Andrea shooting Daryl part. Tens of thousands of 11 year olds shoot guns every year in Boy Scouts and manage to control their desire to shoot a target they can't really see well, while their friends are standing down range, after being told *NOT* to shoot and before receiving any actual firearm instruction. Why is Andrea dumber than an 11 year old with A.D.H.D?!? Also the unconditional forgiveness vibe from John irks me. Less soothing "sure, it's okay you shot Daryl," more "ummm yeah, we may just leave you" please. It's not okay, Andrea! I imagine the only reason they could be holding the zombies would be that they either expect there will some day be a cure (Herschel was somewhat optimistic about this in his conversation with Rick) or believe they have retained an element of their humanity underneath their newfound, undesirable brain-eating habits. I haven't thought much about the latter but the churchgoing zombies mentioned earlier seem to lend some credence to the theory.
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Nov 15 01:27:37 "I imagine the only reason they could be holding the zombies would be that they either expect there will some day be a cure..." Seems that that's exactly what's going on.. Hershel is religious, believes that the world will right itself, and hopes that the zombies can still be saved, because in his mind they are still people. He's just like Seamus from Romero's "Survival of the Dead".. though I'd guess that Romero stole the idea from the Walking Dead comics (haven't read them so not sure if the farm happened in the comics) .. Did anyone else think it was funny that there were three (or four?) random farm hands at the dinner party? Where did they even come from? Have they been on screen before this? It's as if they've appeared just in time to be eaten like the victims of the camp attack in season 1 :p
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Nov 15 01:37:58 ..well I mean of course they're going to be eaten, it's just funny that the writers will create characters for the purpose
chuck Member	Tue Nov 15 01:45:09 Oh and just fyi as far as my predictions, I haven't read the comic and don't comment on things that track the comic spoilers I did come across. These are fair play predictions, not spoilers in disguise. The internet is big enough you can find your own spoilers :-P
Damian DB Moderator	Tue Nov 15 06:37:51 I got to say, the writers are in a tough spot, trying to balance the high points of the comic with being creative enough to be different. I think a lot of the bad momments in the series have come from the writers straying off comic, such as the CDC never happened. However in the comic there was no Daryl and Shane is long dead. Yes the Barn/Farm thing is in the comic. I do look forward with seeing where they are going with this.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Nov 15 11:14:48 i think Shane is dying soon... the bickering is only escalating my prediction: he's gonna try to get Rick killed (or everyone except Lori & Carl)... but then it'll be an Ed Harris in National Treasure 2 situation where he ends up dying himself while rescuing others alternatively, the barn situation gives Shane & Rick a means to come back together... which may be more likely since they have the baby problem coming & writers may want Shane around for that drama... or maybe the baby situation gets used in scenario 1... *ramble ramble* anyway... who just happens to have a pen at the dinner table?!
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Nov 15 15:22:45 .. and passing notes like 10-year-olds at school ;p
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Nov 21 13:42:05 re: Ricks reaction to his wife banging his best friend - i like how Kevin Smith on Talking Dead said he checked credits to confirm episode was written by a woman :p the guy on Homeland didn't take it so well, and he was presumed dead for years! next week is last episode til Feb :/
The Children Member	Mon Nov 21 14:24:21 So this season is like 12-13 episodes only and half of them are already gone. I guess the whole season is about the barn with the climax being the walkers escaping the barn and doing an "evil dead" on the survivors inside the house who blockade the whole shit for a last stand. And probably with the final cliffhanger being that there be some kind of explosion/ fire to the barn and a few run that way and a few run the other direction. Why not regroup? prolly cos some argument/ bickering going on between camp shane and camp rick. Most likely because shane becomes bad guy. And that blond following shane, and prolly the old guy and the owner of the barn getting killed and thats why the rest of the group sticking with rick. I can see that farm daughter surviving but knowing that dad and that fat guy got killed by shane will prolly drive her towards revenge. And glenn will follow her because he has a thing for her. black dude already playing background so he might split in group number 3, or he might get killed too. Sophias mom and is gonne be a goner before the end of the episode. Her character sucks and she already not receiving any lines. That leaves group rick with wife, farm daughter, glenn, black dude, and or two stranglers/ kids from the barn if they dont die. And group shane, blond, and maybe some other asshole who has yet to appear. I guess season 3 is about group rick chasing group shane while group shane has a "destination", prolly something that will be revealed in the coming episode. I predict 80%+ accuracy. Sons of a biotches, I am good.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Nov 21 14:33:40 i predict Dale builds a really tall tower and raises an army of orcs
Dakyron Member	Mon Nov 21 21:42:42 This last one was a really good episode. Shane is getting even crazier. The Dale/Shane confrontation was interesting.
chuck Member	Tue Nov 22 18:13:53 "Dale knows all" is getting old for me. Also did I miss something? It seems like when he confronted Herschel, he made it out that he was the one to notice the barn situation but later in the episode, Glenn is in trouble with the girl because of it? Also, re the confrontation with Shane. People die all the time in their world. Even having seen Shane point his gun at Rick, it is a big jump from "Shane didn't say much about Otis" to foul play.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Nov 22 18:34:31 i think Maggie was just reading between the lines given how Dale knew so soon after hopefully they'll ease off on Dale's gaping mouth scenes
chuck Member	Wed Nov 23 00:19:11 Maggie said she was in trouble with Herschel over it, IIRC. I guess this week's episode is some kind of a mini-finale?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Nov 23 01:48:54 good point, writing error then and yes, if by this week you mean next week
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Nov 27 02:56:50 "The Dale/Shane confrontation was interesting." "'Dale knows all' is getting old for me." lol, so true. I really liked that confrontation. Dale is *so* annoying. It was maybe too much for his character that he figured out the Shane/Otis situation, but then these people have a lot of time to think.. I'm glad that someone (Shane) was finally willing to aggressively respond to Dale. Dale should know that his faux wisdom is only a power against the weak (Andrea), but even his manipulation of her via withholding of the gun can't keep his imagined, protective relationship with her afloat. All of the thinking during downtime is also why I can understand Rick's not being overtly upset. He doesn't seem particularly self-reflective and isn't too receptive of people, but with enough time to think it seems pretty natural that he would suspect such a thing and that its being confirmed to him would only be a resigned understanding with its emotions already exhausted. Still it's a surprising reaction given the show's former writing --- As for the predictions, TC! Ending the season with a barn/house fire seems obvious enough, but I'm not so sure about the groupings. The preview for next week shows that the divide will definitely happen; Shane will be more aggressive about things and Hershel will confront Rick's position that they *really* >:| want to stay. Although I want Carol (Sophia's mother) to go, I suspect the zombies won't get rid of her until Sophia is found. I can picture them dying together inside the burning house though... Shane.. I don't think will survive the season. They're setting up for him to go off with Andrea, but I think Andrea is too stupid for such independence. I think it's more likely that Dale will try to manipulate her into his favor by using his knowledge of Shane, and that Shane will be in a dangerous position (maybe about to kill Dale?) and Andrea will kill Shane... Or maybe Maggie will be about to get killed by Shane (after failed vengeance of Otis?) and Andrea will wound him and he'll be eaten.. lots of options ;D -=-=-=- Let's all do predictions! :D Characters (copy and paste): Rick Grimes Lori Grimes Carl Grimes Glenn T-Dog Andrea Shane Walsh Dale Daryl Dixon Carol Peletier Sophia Peletier Maggie Greene Hershel Greene Otis 3 or 4 Farmhands -=-=-=- Characters: Rick Grimes - obvious survivor, end of series Lori Grimes - obvious survivor, could die later Carl Grimes - obvious survivor, end of series Glenn - Probably a survivor. Maggie has begun coaching his leadership abilities, so he may have a big season 3. If he blooms too soon he may have a sad season 2 end :/ T-Dog - Also on the rise. He may be very useful in the zombie killing finale and survive into Season 3 Andrea - Sadly, I think she will be around for a while. Shane Walsh - I don't think he'll survive this season :/ Dale - I hope he dies in the finale, or I hope Shane kills him soon, but I can see him lasting Daryl Dixon - Hopefully does not sacrifice himself for Carol. I can see that happening, or else he'll be drug away by the others when Carol is trapped in the burning house ;D Carol Peletier - Probably a house fire finale casualty. Otherwise she may die when Sophia returns.. maybe Sophia watches her mom turn into a zombie? Sophia Peletier - possible adoption in the finale, or else she dies with her mother Maggie Greene - dies in finale Hershel Greene - dies in finale Otis - eats Maggie in finale 3 or 4 Farmhands - die in finale.. maybe one joins the group As for the group itself.. I don't think they'll end up splitting. Some characters will die and the group will shrink, but they'll still be together...
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Nov 27 03:52:11 "Otis - eats Maggie in finale" :O !!! ------ i think Rick, Lori, Carl, Glenn, T-Dog, Andrea, Daryl, Sophia, & Maggie will make it Dale, Shane, Carol, Hershel, & Farmhands probably not I don't know if Otis will show up again but you may want to move the predictions game to a new thread ... 100!
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