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Cherub Cow
Member
Fri Mar 04 19:56:23
Assume spoilers if you haven't caught up!
Cherub Cow
Member
Fri Mar 04 19:56:43
This made me lol:
(Walking Dead captions)
http://imgur.com/gallery/WezfTxV
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Mar 05 00:30:19
could be useful in the apocalypse:
http://youtu.be/AQwQuqxZmmc?t=27s

Cherub Cow
Member
Sat Mar 05 23:56:09
Ivan teach u to lived in cased of apokolipse
McKobb
Member
Sun Mar 06 07:15:07
Lol, I got a friend in Little Rock that sells survival packages and training!
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Mar 07 11:00:21
- new episode -

lots of stuff... lots of stuff...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Mar 08 15:27:04
Abraham is kind of a bad breaker-upper...
Cherub Cow
Member
Tue Mar 08 17:37:33
Yeah that was a mean way to break up...
"I know it's the night before a potentially life-threatening mission, and I hope this won't distract you tomorrow... but c-ya!"
..at least wait until everyone gets back? :/
Nice that he made the decision, though! Almost thought that he would just wait around, dangerously unhappy.

And hey!! This is the *second* time that Carol has been taken captive off-camera :( :( (the first was when the Atlanta hospital peeps somehow captured her). I refuse to believe that she can be defeated without some magical, directorial intervention!! And now I'm worried about all that extra character work that they gave her this episode. Now she's symbolically the town's "mom," so if she dies then they'll have no segue between her voice and Rick's (now "dad"'s voice?), so Rick will get to do even more crazy stuff.

Speaking of which! I'm surprised that the Alexandria peeps didn't put up a little more of a fight about, I don't know, **murdering a bunch of people in their sleep**?? lol... They definitely turned a corner there, and I'm not sure how much those Polaroids of headshots removed the moral ambiguity for them. Someone should have at least advocated for more reconnaissance, because going off of one person's limited information was pretty risky. At least they got far before the upset.. but now a sniper *and* hostage situation?? ;p

..I Did like Jesus' comment after shooting that random person!: "So this is the next world"
..and Darryl's motorcycle.. does it mean that Negan's group is the "kneel" group? Or maybe Negan's group killed the "kneel" group? Or maybe Negan's group just intercepted the two peeps that were heading back to the kneel group and the kneel group is still out there. Whatever. To be seen..
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Mar 08 17:43:59
i'm not sure sticking a knife in a sleeping person's neck leads to a quick silent death, but i haven't tested it
Cherub Cow
Member
Tue Mar 08 17:54:39
I thought they were stabbing through the eye sockets? Even so, there would still have been some nervous system response.. those scenes in rooms with multiple sleepers were pretty unlikely
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Mar 08 18:07:45
could be, did they ever show what was happening specifically? ... need more hobos around to experiment
Cherub Cow
Member
Tue Mar 08 19:18:56
Sort of; in the room with Glenn they show the knives hovering above the eyes:
http://i.imgur.com/FKcOZfh.png
(probably because the eyes and the temples are soft spots to the brain)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Mar 13 20:49:59

== show night ==


girl powah
McKobb
Member
Tue Mar 15 12:07:58
About to go eat in Woodbury at smitty's. I'll face stab any walkers I see ;P
Cherub Cow
Member
Tue Mar 15 17:20:48
Good episode! I'm glad that Carol's remorse didn't get her killed... looked like she got to see how far gone she could get (via Paula, who had gotten a bit crazed by passing into the 20+ people killed range).. so even Carol knows that they turned a corner by outright killing people to solve problems, rather than, as before, killing people out of some impending threat from those peeps (killing Negan's group was probably a little too proactive, though may not? They all seem like sociopaths, so it's hard to say). And Carol's remorse also explained how she was captured, so that made sense.. :(

And I wish that I hadn't Google'd the spelling of "Negan" before, because even though Negan's group seems to have a "Hail Hydra!" ethos of everyone being part of the Hydra organism ("We're all Negan!"), it looks like there *is* a Negan character (Jeffrey Dean Morgan), so of course it's not over yet!

And Darryl didn't get any answers about his motorcycle or those two peeps who stole it.. so maybe someone from the main Negan group took it and brought it to the satellite dish base? It's kind of a minor point, anyways.. because who but Darryl cares about those two peeps? ;p
Cherub Cow
Member
Tue Mar 15 17:22:07
*though [maybe] not?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Mar 19 10:47:38
i thought when Paula said at the end 'what are you so afraid of?' or whatever, that Carol was gonna say 'becoming you'... perhaps too cliché :p
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Mar 20 20:02:11

== show night ==

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Mar 20 20:52:37
a dangerous world

i think jeans would offer sufficient protection against that (probably trending) attack...
Cherub Cow
Member
Tue Mar 22 01:28:03
Did Eugene bite Rickety Cricket ("Dwight" character) in the... umm..? D:
.. I didn't even realize until you mentioned it :D

I lol'ed at that Denise scene :D
Her speech there was getting a little annoying, so I started saying, "please kill her," and then the arrow happened XD .. they played sad music, but do you think anyone cared about that character? Still, kind of illustrates why the Enterprise shouldn't send its chief medical officer on away missions — in the real world there might be an arrow through the eye and *then* who will run the medical bay? The EMH program? ;p .. but if that's the best way to get Daryl his crossbow back, then it's an acceptable trade!
..and this makes *two* girlfriends that Tara has lost to head fatalities! ;D
..plus, you'd think that peeps of the inner circle of hyper-survivalists (Daryl and Rosita in that scene) would be a little more cognizant of the risk of standing out in the open making bunches of noise.

..When Carol told Daryl "you were right", was that just about Daryl's earlier saying that he "should have killed [Dwight]"? It seems the most likely explanation, but I wasn't sure if it was calling back even further to something Daryl might have said when they'd first arrived in Alexandria (like how he really wanted to leave). Forgoing that, "should have killed [Dwight]" makes sense, because it fits with Carol's decision to split (her basically saying that if killing is the only way to sustain Alexandria, and she doesn't want to kill, then leaving makes the most sense). It also makes for a kind of ideological break-up with Daryl, who was really her only attachment to the group anymore (her new BF was added very much just to show the Alexandria peeps' want to have her be a killer for them).

On the ending.. I read the end of some article where the writer thought that Morgan might leave too.. (article: "So [Carol] was leaving. And, judging from the way Morgan was weighing his options ... it looked like he just might follow")
http://tvl...-carol-leaves-melissa-mcbride/
.. but the impression I got was that Morgan was showing determination — like getting ready to dig in. I don't think he's at all likely to leave.. he probably thinks it'll be a competition between him and the gun users, where he has to be extra vigilant in order to take a bunch of prisoners and reform them. One of the comments in that article made the suggestion that Morgan would put Carol in his cell, but that's just ridiculous. I don't think that anyone will run after her. Daryl has become apathetic (maybe dangerously so.. it's been a while since we've seen his thought processes), her new BF is too weak to track her, and Rick has other things to worry about. If she's seen again, it would probably be as Negan's prisoner or something external like that..

blerg. I wrote too much. I'd been better about keeping these short ;p
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Mar 22 10:09:49
yeah, was a dick attack... they even had a protective cup + some device in his pants for Eugene to bite according to Talking Dead (Eugene & Rosita were guests)

those LGBT complainers may have a problem with Denise dying :p & i kinda liked her ok too :p

not sure about the Carol/Daryl thing, they were talking early in the episode & my mind wandered & i missed some dialogue

previews of next episode gave some hints that i won't reveal :p
Cherub Cow
Member
Tue Mar 22 22:48:56
"i kinda liked her ok too"

She was okay I guess :) .. just not a super tragic loss or anything.. and I never really cared about her anxiety attack issues.. it just made her seem affected/bourgeois. Maybe with a few more episodes she would have become a better friend to Daryl or something :(

Oh no! Should I watch the preview? It was in that link.. do they show Carol or something?? Ahhh!! ;D
McKobb
Member
Tue Mar 22 22:56:04
I do not think she was the right actress for the job.
Cherub Cow
Member
Wed Mar 23 00:19:33
Rebel Wilson might have worked ;D
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Mar 27 23:47:45

= show night =

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Mar 28 00:14:39
standing around trying to give an insightful speech is a magnet for Dwight
Cherub Cow
Member
Mon Mar 28 14:37:08
Ahh! Do not want!! D:
I thought that maybe it was another dubious "is Glenn dead?" cliffhanger (in this case like maybe someone had shot Dwight), but it looks pretty clear (gif of ending, slowed down):
http://i.imgur.com/YV7GHa1.gif
The best case scenario would be that the bullet went across his chest rather than through it.. but I don't think they'd do that? Maybe he'll get a little vengeance before dying, but his replying "I can't" to Michonne's "Just come home" when he walked away seemed to have finality; he needed to be able to let go .. so the moral lesson: maybe can't be directed by grudges in the apocalypse.. can only have vengeance if it works out that way :(
Still.. Fingers crossed for some pre-death vengeance or some miraculous recovery :'(

..
"standing around trying to give an insightful speech is a magnet for Dwight"

For realz! And seriously peeps! Stop having these close-up conversations when you're out in hostile territory! They could at least be crouched and looking around or something.. but standing there and making eye contact, letting down their guards.. I can't tell if this is supposed to be them getting soft or if they just haven't adjusted to the reality of people actively hunting them.

And two of the love couples have come under threat! Michonne and Glenn captive, so Rick and Maggie have to worry. Abraham and Sasha at least okay. Finale is supposed to be an hour and a half, so there may be a lot of closure before the painful cliffhanger ;)
Cherub Cow
Member
Mon Mar 28 15:21:23
Oh, and another case of me being wrong; [said after last week's episode]: "I don't think that anyone will run after [Carol]."

lulz.. didn't realize how much Rick cares! He really likes his power-killer all-stars (Daryl, Michonne, and Carol — and all three under threat!). Abraham, Sasha, and Rosita may have to step it up, so it was good that Abraham had a little talk with Rick.. They've managed to stay as outsiders even though it's been more than a season with them. Rick needs lieutenants! ;p

And Morgan cares too! Makes sense that he would want to work with Carol after reading her reasons for leaving, but you'd think he'd just respect her choice? He even decided to go find her before Rick did..

Funny about Daryl, though... it's definitely sads if he's for reals deads, but it's less tragic *now*, because so many peeps have gotten strong around him. Not sure I like the idea that someone could sneak up on the best tracker, though..
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Mar 28 15:26:56
looks like it can be a shoulder shot, and there was some "you'll live" comment immediately

i don't think they'd take out Daryl (unless Norman wants to leave the show for some reason)
Cherub Cow
Member
Mon Mar 28 16:02:37
But these writers killed Beth! They're capable of anything! ;D

I couldn't tell if that "you'll be all right" comment was supposed to be sinister irony or not.. But shoulder would be nice! :D
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Mar 28 22:59:12
i think Rosita is in most danger... and Glenn may be running low on lives... Michonne & Daryl seem too popular, bigger than Beth :p

Maggie's baby may be gone too... babies are worthless
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Mar 28 23:00:45
...the baby could die inside her then bite her from within... what a horrible thing for the writers to make me consider! :p
Cherub Cow
Member
Tue Mar 29 01:45:41
Oh my gods! Forgot about Maggie's situation D:
It could just be a miscarriage, but without medical care anymore there may be a threat of sepsis or something. I do wonder about baby zombies, but if they haven't teethed yet can they even do anything? They also don't have finger nails so they probably couldn't claw their way out .. though that would be a fun story ;D
And since it's unclear if Lori's child was conceived before or after the virus (Rick=before vs Shane=after), this may be the first test of whether or not children can actually occur...

"and Glenn may be running low on lives..."
Definites.. and that shot of Maggie watching him drive away again didn't seem too optimistic. I know they were excited by the situation when they jumped into cars to chase, but you'd think that Glenn would commit to Alexandria defense after all of their separation drama :/

"i think Rosita is in most danger..."
I wonder! She *did* follow Daryl, so she may be tied to his fate and less equipped to survive it, and she's not part of the original cast, so the loss might not be so bad.. but maybe her presence as a captive will coax Abraham or Sasha into doing something crazy, so one of them would die instead? They could do a Breaking Bad where Walt is supposed to want to kill Jessie but saves him instead ;) (so, Abraham supposedly rejecting Rosita, but saving her instead).. or she'd just get killed outright! :)

"Michonne & Daryl seem too popular, bigger than Beth"
That's why the writers might be cruel!! lol
I hope they make it, but the writers have been doing some evil "Game of Thrones" shenanigans :p
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Apr 03 20:00:05
= show night =

i sense much death occurring
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Apr 03 20:33:45
i'm not clear how the road-blockers knew they'd be coming...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Apr 03 20:44:16
@ red rover, were they purposely missing or something? this episode is weird :p
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Apr 03 20:53:04
...ok so i guess they were there to let Rick's group know they couldn't retreat? these enemies showing some good prescience
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Apr 03 21:33:26
son of a bitch!
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Apr 03 21:36:50
Norman has his own show coming "Ride With Norman Reedus"... not to concern anyone...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Apr 03 21:59:02
i'll guess Eugene, they maybe haven't even decided yet
Wrath of Orion
Member
Sun Apr 03 22:08:28
Easily one of the best episodes of the entire show.
Cherub Cow
Member
Mon Apr 04 04:12:15
..not sure it was one of the best but very good! Seemed like it was mostly set up for next season rather than its own singular story. I did like that Negan very dramatically made them aware of the futility of escape.. he really soaked in his power to make a point. But was a little disappointed that they didn't think to bring the RPG.. that stack of people at the bigger road block would have fallen pretty easily if they'd considered bring it.. at least that means that Negan doesn't know about it, so they have options later

I'd lean towards Eugene too. But it does seem like Abraham and Daryl would respond similarly to the bat. Glenn seemed too stressed (he or Maggie would react crazily) so he may be safe, and Negan suggested that Carl would lose the other eye if anyone interfered, so Carl may be okay too — also Rick, of course... Michonne might be the surprise.. but yeah.. wouldn't stress about it since it will be so long before next season (October premiere again?). And yeah, the writers really may not even know it themselves.. or only the head writers know so that they can keep the secret

lol@Negan calling Carl a "future serial killer"
Cherub Cow
Member
Mon Apr 04 04:14:44
*But [I] was a little disappointed that they didn't think to bring the RPG.. that stack of people at the bigger road block would have fallen pretty easily if they'd considered [bringing] it.

OsamaIsDaWorstPresid
Member
Mon Apr 04 04:20:17
wen r we gona haev a scene wear sum1 rapes a zombie
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Apr 04 08:33:27
yeah i'm unclear how they knew Rick would avoid battling a group as he has a history of killing them from their perspective :p (& Negan wouldn't know how many people they were bringing, or i still don't know how they seemed to know when... doesn't seem you'd hang out on the road for days)


i'm beginning to wonder maybe it is Rick :o... they had those 'your last day' comments & taking out the leader would be a logical move

would certainly shake things up
Wrath of Orion
Member
Mon Apr 04 10:16:03
It's not Carl or Rick according to the dialogue. He said if anyone moves, etc, to cut out Carl's eye and feed it to the father. So that pretty much eliminates them.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Apr 04 11:08:07
a good point... something tells me they haven't decided yet

the actors of Carl & Maggie both said they don't know
Wrath of Orion
Member
Mon Apr 04 22:21:14
The powers that be have decided. But it was not revealed to the actors.
Cherub Cow
Member
Mon Apr 04 22:38:57
I wonder how many scenes they can keep hidden from the actors before they piece it all together :D
For the 2008 X-Files movie they managed to control who had copies of the script and kept any one actor from knowing more than that day's scene.. so conceivably they could shoot a lot of the next season before anyone even knows..
Damian DB
Moderator
Tue Apr 05 07:14:33
*sigh* I am so over the cliffhanger TV culture...
Wrath of Orion
Member
Tue Apr 05 09:13:14
This is a case where it worked very well and is justified, though.
Cherub Cow
Member
Tue Apr 05 12:15:50
Yeahs. Plus Walking Dead isn't *about* the cliffhanger.. the cliffhanger is just their sometimes evil mechanism between pauses.
McKobb
Member
Tue Apr 05 12:42:58
They failed on suspense imo. They needed a guy to wig out after each top block or else that creepy whistling at every stop. Neagan crushed it though.
McKobb
Member
Tue Apr 05 12:43:37
And it is glenn. Maybe
Cherub Cow
Member
Tue Apr 05 19:21:43
"They failed on suspense imo."

+1 Deer.
I get why they wanted to show multiple road blocks with lots of peeps at each one ("Oh no! Negan's group is big!"), but the back and forth scenes just seemed to drag.. like this didn't need to be a 90 minute episode for that much content..
Damian DB
Moderator
Tue Apr 05 20:34:57
the cliffhanger only worked to piss me off at least. Before the cliffhanger, you have this wonderfully played out scene, building up the high point of tension, with no pay off. Instead what will happen is in october this beautifully tense scene will be followed by what will be a general let down where the cliffhanger question will be answered in the first 2 seconds of the episode. Even before october, there will be news reports of who is appearing on set and who isn't so who it was will be obvious to anyone paying attention, not even looking for spoilers. It's like Jon Snow and Game of Thrones, everyone knows he's in the next season coming up, so it kind of ruins the suspense of will he be back or not.

Seasons should be seasons for a reason, they should be volumes in a multi-part story, episodes broken off into chapters. a season finale should wrap up the story, not just end 5 minutes before the logical end.

I would of rather seen Negan beat someone to death, say something like "we'll be in touch" and leave, leaving rick and the group on their knees mourning their loss and the question being "what do they do now?" promoting discussion. instead the only question anyone is asking is "who was picked?"

you say Walking Dead isn't about the cliffhanger, but that's all anyone is talking about. "who was picked?"

I will say that Jeffrey Dean Morgan was brilliant casting as Negan. As a fan of the comic, he is who I always imagined would play Negan.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Apr 05 22:22:52
the creators were on Talking Dead & i think predicted that criticism

they claim the story was the breaking of the will of Rick's group (or something like that) & the loss of the character & coping is the beginning of next season's story

for whatever that's worth :p
(they did also acknowledge the footage would be Zaprudered trying to figure it out)
Wrath of Orion
Member
Wed Apr 06 00:54:00
"the cliffhanger only worked to piss me off at least."

The butthurt is strong with you. So you don't like cliffhangers or think they ever work. You're wrong and retarded. Grats!
Cherub Cow
Member
Wed Apr 06 10:36:04
"you say Walking Dead isn't about the cliffhanger, but that's all anyone is talking about. 'who was picked?'"

It isn't. Not for me. I have never once said, "oh wow! That cliffhanger really makes this show worth watching!" No. Never. I accept it as a formality made to captivate an ADHD generation and move past it to view the show for its actual content. Just like commercials. Is Walking Dead "about" the commercial pauses? Not for me! I don't watch the commercials; on iTunes there is a pause and then the show continues a few seconds later. But would someone watching with commercials be wrong to speculate about what might happen when the show returns from commercials? Or if Negan visibly killed a group member and the show ended with the question "what do they do now?", would that not itself *also* be a cliffhanger? Yes, actually it would be, because that wouldn't just be a 3-second pause. Regardless of what happens in the show people would still be left hanging off of a cliff waiting for the show to start its new season and provide further answers and developments. Speculation doesn't just stop because Jon Snow has been revealed to be alive..

..
I rewatched the episode last night..
- Didn't notice before that the library that the injured man (the spray-painted "X" victim) was referring to was the same one that Morgan and Carol visited (they showed his slaughtered group; different group from the Hill Top group)..
- Didn't notice before the symmetry of Carl and Denise both "losing" their right eyes :D

And as for more cliffhanger speculation!
- Eugene's farewell may be a trick, because..
- throughout the episode there were frequent scenes of the first-person perspective of someone in the kidnap van, which was probably meant to parallel the first-person perspective that was viewing Negan's killing of that same person. I think that might mean that Glenn, Daryl, Rosita, or Michonne was most at risk.
- When they get out of the van, that same perspective is being used, and Daryl's head pops in front of the viewer, so it might mean that he's safe (not *his* first-person perspective if someone can view him).. Michonne gets out of the van behind him, so she may have had the correct line of sight..
- Also, the "what if it's the last day on Earth for someone you love" narrative may point further to Michonne.. because who in the van does Rick love the most? :p

So I'm thinking Michonne at the moment! :)
.. still, that first-person perspective may have been meant to align with the viewers, in which case they were asking who the *viewers* love, which could bring it back to Daryl if selecting from the van list.. that would contradict the cinematography, but if the writers intend to troll popular message boards to find the best surprise, then they may not care.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Apr 06 10:50:45
perhaps a '#if you kill Daryl, we quit watching' campaign needs started :p
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Apr 06 11:15:48
the first-person thing seems possible, i'll now say Glenn or Michonne, Rosita doesn't seem major enough

there's decent arguments for either Glenn or Michonne
Damian DB
Moderator
Wed Apr 06 11:59:46
Here's the flip side. I'm a fan of the comic series. The end scene played out in issue 100 of the comic and played down very. Similiar to the show, straight down to the eeny-meany to pick the person. The final scene in that issue showed Negan kill the person he picked. Yes its a cliffhanger, but the question on my mind when i pit that issue down was "how will the rest of the group react". That i only had to wait a month for. This we have to wait 6 months for.

We are probably going to have to agree to disagree on this but to me it feels like sloppy storytelling. "Oh we know we have another season, we dont have to wrap up anything"
Cherub Cow
Member
Fri Apr 08 18:52:57
I mean, I do agree that it would be better if they'd just showed who it was and let it sink in until next season, I'm just saying that I forgive them for playing into cliffhanger logic because the rest of the show still manages to be my favorite .. so we kind of agree, I just don't care about it as much — I'd rather complain about these conversations they keep having out in the open instead of maintaining noise discipline! ;D ;p

btw, I checked the wiki page and was disappointed to read that there have been 153 comic issues of Walking Dead, especially if this episode only aligns with #100... I liked reading about that Game of Thrones moment where the "I read the books" people couldn't say anything anymore (the show moved beyond the books, so there could be no more elitism), but Walking Dead may not get to it.. It would at least be fun if they completely altered the plot, like they kill Negan in the first episode of the next season and move on to stories and characters that were never mentioned in the comics >:D

..
"perhaps a '#if you kill Daryl, we quit watching' campaign needs started :p"

+1 Deer! If Daryl dies he needs to die while killing 100 walkers/hoomans by himself like Guts' scene from Berserk ;) (not that Guts dies, but still)
#DarylsLifeMatters ?
#ItMattersThatDarylLives ?
#DarylAliveMatters ?

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"i'll now say Glenn or Michonne, Rosita doesn't seem major enough"

A gif of the van exit for reference:
http://i.imgur.com/DINo1a1.gif
Yeah.. Rosita or Glenn may even have a better angle than Michonne in that scene (Michonne was above Daryl's head, but not sure if she was centered? Can't tell where Rosita and Glenn were sitting exactly), but Rosita would definitely be too easy ..not sure anyone would care if she died :p

..
Oh! And I guess Alexandria will be like the Fury Road "Bullet Farm" soon? :D

And I still think it would be hilarious if at the most crowded road block they'd just gotten out, RPGed really quickly, and driven through the wreckage .. it doesn't look like the kidnap van was there, so it might have been okay ;D
Cherub Cow
Member
Mon Apr 25 14:30:32
lulz.. this is topical to this Walking Dead conversation even though it's about GoT:

"Nation Relieved Insufferable Little ‘Game Of Thrones’ Fans Don’t Have Book To Lord Over Them This Season"
[Onion News in Brief]
http://www...le-little-game-thrones-f-52801
"WASHINGTON—Telling reporters they were unable to convey the full extent of their gratitude that the plot of the hit HBO series had finally surpassed the events of the novels, citizens across the country expressed immense relief Sunday that all the insufferable little Game Of Thrones fans would no longer be able to lord the books over everyone else just trying to enjoy the show. “After five unbearable seasons of constantly hearing how ‘the books handled things much differently,’ it’s just so nice to know I won’t have to deal with any of that shit this time around,” said White Plains, NY resident Cathryn Wakeman, echoing the sentiments of millions of viewers who had become exasperated by the incessant comments from “all those little shits” about how the televised version of a battle strayed from the George R.R. Martin novels. “Every time there was a slight deviation, one of those fuckers would have to chime in with how someone from the show was actually a composite of ‘two way more interesting’ characters from the book or how the producers left out a passage critical to understanding Westeros or some shit like that. Thank God those assholes just have to sit there and wait to find out what happens next like the rest of us.” Although the nation was looking forward to watching the fantasy show unbothered by annoying remarks from fans of the books, Americans said they wouldn’t put it past the little pricks to butt in with fan theories they picked up online."

..though it did occur to me that FWD is basically the Walking Dead version of a story with no book basis to cripple its viewers
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Mon Apr 25 14:46:00
hobble, more than cripple i'd say.
Cherub Cow
Member
Mon Apr 25 15:04:45
True! :)
The Children
Member
Fri Apr 29 01:20:06
if da series follow da comics then we all know who died. i dunt read da comics but they spoiled it 4 me on youtube.

i think da series followed da comics.
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Mon Oct 24 08:21:29
so,what happens now....

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Oct 24 12:03:18
party time!

swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Mon Oct 24 13:18:22
#gingerlivesmatter
#asianlivesmatter
McKobb
Member
Mon Oct 24 19:42:33
#suckmynuts!
Cherub Cow
Member
Tue Oct 25 05:04:54
That was fucking traumatic. :'(
Wow.

They removed all doubt about those Polaroids that Glenn and Heath (glasses guy from Alexandria) saw at the Negan outpost; someone took a picture of Glenn's body, so those pix they found in the night raid episode were all of peeps Negan had killed with his bat...

Was sort of right about Abraham ("I'd lean towards Eugene too. But it does seem like Abraham and Daryl would respond similarly to the bat"), but even though I said of the van possibility that "I think that might mean that Glenn, Daryl, Rosita, or Michonne was most at risk," I was still thinking that Glenn was safe even after his collection of near death experiences. And I was totally wrong about my Michonne pick.. though I'm at least glad for that.

That second kill was some amazing writer cruelty, and I think they should all get raises for being willing to traumatize viewers so boldly ("not just *one* character! *Two*! lulz. Deal with it!"). ;p .. especially with Glenn saying, "I'll find you," which could either be that he was brain-damaged and talking crazy or he was trying to be romantic ( or both, if they were up for a "Signs" type of "swing away" thing ;) )

Maggie wants vengeance already, but it looks like Rick really did break there. I'm surprised that the group cohesion didn't immediately fall apart. Still time for that..

I need to digest this madness ;p
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Oct 25 11:03:19
good memory on the Polaroids!

i was a bit disappointed when Carl didn't get chopped

if it wasn't for Daryl seems they'd be best off just moving on... maybe Carol will rescue him single-handedly
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Tue Oct 25 11:34:29
'Walking Dead' premiere slammed by Parents Television Council

http://www...arents-television-council.html
Cherub Cow
Member
Tue Oct 25 11:49:46
.. I do at least agree that peeps need more control over the channels for which they actually pay.. but I think the Parents council was just upset that their facorite characters died ;p
Cherub Cow
Member
Tue Oct 25 13:32:53
"i was a bit disappointed when Carl didn't get chopped"

It def would have been fun to just have Carl accumulating more and more disfiguring injuries ;D

..
"if it wasn't for Daryl seems they'd be best off just moving on... maybe Carol will rescue him single-handedly"

Yuss! Seems like they might have just settled into an obedience routine if it hadn't been for Daryl. Now they have a pressing reason to make trouble (besides vengeance of course). Carol may want to avoid killing for peeps she likes, but she may have taken it for granted that Daryl would be safe. Time to get crazy!! \:D/

..going to have to watch the Talking Dead for this one.. heard that Glenn was sad :'(
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Oct 27 13:35:24
i didn't catch Talking Dead... but supposed to be on again 1am Saturday if i remember :p

which may be Friday night... if it meant 1am Sat morning... i'll have to investigate
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Oct 27 18:04:33
here's a lego version of the deaths for some reason
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bZNoT_PbuE

i wonder if Negan had asked if they wanted Glenn spared after the eye bulge moment if they would've said yes or no
Cherub Cow
Member
Thu Oct 27 18:35:26
Wow. Kind of stupid that someone chose to use a Lego medium for that, but.. have to admire that they made that within a few days of the episode :D

Yeah :( .. his skull looked pretty caved-in, so that might not have gone well :'(
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Oct 27 19:48:54
would've been an awkward question to answer though :p
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Oct 30 20:00:19

=- show night -=

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Oct 30 21:21:00
sure... he seems nice... until next week we learn he feeds children to the tiger... after molesting them
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Oct 30 21:49:37
weird fact from Talking Dead about Carol's hallucination scene at the start: they cast 5 sets of twins, so hopefully you appreciated that the normal person looked like their corresponding zombie
Cherub Cow
Member
Tue Nov 01 00:15:36
Seems odd that they wouldn't just shoot the scene without makeup and they re-shoot with makeup afterwards (like, just one person), but maybe it was easier to get the lighting and stuff right by using twins (could switch them out immediately). Guess casting is cheap! :)

..Once again, glad to have a non-stress episode after a psycho episode.

And yeah! The king and his CGI tiger seem nice :) .. and pedophile could be right ;D .. but seems like he could probably stay nice simply because Negan has become such a villain for everyone. And looks like Rick would be able to get some of these good Negan-serving groups ("hilltop" and now "the kingdom") together to fight the bad Negan-serving groups.

Also entered another question into the show's workings: does eating infected meat hurt peeps? When Bob was being eaten by the cannibals he told them that he'd been bitten, and they worried about that.. but all of the cannibals were killed immediately afterwards, so no telling if they would have turned them into zombies. Similar situation with these pigs... will eating meat from pigs that have eaten walkers do any actual harm ("actual" vs. just spitting in someone's food for your own pleasure ;p )? To be seen! :D
Cherub Cow
Member
Tue Nov 01 00:16:49
*"if [that] would have turned them into zombies"
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Nov 01 11:33:18
yeah, he'll probably stay a nice guy... just weird to see a nice leader :p

i'll guess the pigs probably won't cause harm
Cherub Cow
Member
Mon Nov 07 13:42:24
@S7E3 ("The Cell")
Another transition episode, but I like that theme of "[complicity gives tyrants their power]" (kind of that "Paradise Lost" theme). Daryl got to be the person who refuses cooperation with that system, showing others how flimsy that power structure can be if people simply refuse to be ruled.. though in practice, executing the most dissident can stop even that, because it's not that no one refuses to be ruled, it's that those who do might not survive the refusal. Also liked how Negan offered him a room with nice stuff and it's like, "Daryl doesn't care about nice stuff! He'd probably *prefer* to sleep outside :D" -- That makes Daryl's identity pretty incorruptible..

And without knowledge of Rick's group yet, no telling if Daryl will simply die... Does look like Negan employs that method of giving perks to the most competent in order to have a leash on their dissidence, like how the Soviet/Cuban Communist party gave perks to inner party members so that anyone powerful enough to stop the system wouldn't want to do so. Inner party peeps typically have to go down with the ship, but burn face and his ex can't really get those perks anymore, so their incentive has gone, and they look ready to help Daryl, maybe for redemption...

Guess next week will be the Alexandria/HillTop episode! :D
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Mon Nov 07 13:50:17
negan = godless commie bastard?
I did not know that.
Cherub Cow
Member
Mon Nov 07 13:57:35
Oh don't take my analogy too far! :D I'm not sure if the Communist analogy goes beyond that perk system. Negan&co. def don't seem to feign Communism's claimed egalitarianism... they've been more like a pack of dogs that keep power with fear via public displays of power and dominance, it just happens that his inner group can be kept in line with perks.
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Mon Nov 07 14:11:31
"Oh don't take my analogy too far! :D"

okies

:}
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Nov 07 15:12:44
Negan = Emperor
Dwight = Vader
Daryl = Luke
Cherub Cow
Member
Mon Nov 07 17:16:37
Wow that seems to fit here :D
Not sure if Dwight can throw Negan down an elevator shaft though ;p
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Nov 07 17:56:35
it can be shoehorned into a surprising number of things :p

i don't think they can give Negan's death to Dwight (although we do know all about him now so maybe...) but Daryl will totally turn him back to the light side & probably get him killed as result
Cherub Cow
Member
Tue Nov 08 01:25:11
Does seem like Dwight will annoy Negan into a paddling :p
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Nov 13 23:52:09
simpsons reference? :p
http://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder527/52373527.jpg


-= show night =-

quite the depresso-fest
better be some comeuppances soon
Cherub Cow
Member
Mon Nov 14 02:36:17
Yep! Simpsons reference there :D .. I thought of putting Negan's face on that Simpsons video or something like that..

..
"quite the depresso-fest
better be some comeuppances soon"

Yeah :( .. pretty depressing episode. They just gave away all of their power :(
... Rick seems to have gone full party line, which really speaks to how messed up he still feels. He doesn't have the right mind to actually kill Negan and stop this.. That exchange with Michonne at the end while Rick was making their floor-bed was pretty telling; Michonne can't even have a conversation about the *possibility* of hidden guns without Rick immediately wanting to turn them over to Negan, so Michonne just has to pretend like everything is okay while in Rick's presence...

At least a good thing that a few realists still operate in Alexandria. Rosita, Michonne, Carl, and Maggie all seem to be on board with plotting against Negan, and a Hilltop alliance was already mentioned. They'll have to work behind Rick's back, it seems, and that could cause it to take a long time to get significant enough resources to convince Rick to get back on board. But with such a huge loss (and I can't believe that there wasn't a non-inventoried armory, but I guess it wouldn't have mattered, given Rick's condition), this season may end up being about them continuing to suffer and lose confidence in their power.. then again, if Michonne assassinates Negan, that could speed the wheels ;p

Guess racketeering makes a pretty good beginning to civilization. And the ultra-misogyny makes it all the more dangerous. Negan outright said that his men would be disposable compared to women, and with the forced marriage and prostitution perks, it looks pretty dismal. I'm guessing Sasha was hiding with Maggie at Hilltop, and it looks like Rosita was lucky in this case (thought they would take her).

Makes things pretty interesting! Really don't seem to be any short-term solutions.
Cherub Cow
Member
Mon Nov 14 02:54:41
Oh! And Rick mentioned that he "knows" that Judith was Shane's child, but I really don't think that they can say something like that for sure in a world without DNA testing. That might seem obvious (the lack of any real certainty), but I mention it because the trash blogs (Huffington Post: "[WD] Finally Reveals Judith's Real Father", Entertainment Weekly, etc.) seem to be running with that as the episode story/spoiler, when really it can't be. Maybe if it were a boy, but being a girl the child wouldn't really carry any obvious markers of Shane's Y chromosome. They also showed that Judith has blue eyes, Shane has brown eyes, Lori light brown eyes, and Rick blue eyes... and while it's certainly possible that there were some recessive blue eye color genes hidden in a Lori+Shane combination, Judith's blue eyes would still at the least make her not look like Shane — visual inspection being pretty much the only way that anyone can assess this sort of thing. So I'm kind of thinking that Rick's "[revealing]" that Judith "is" Shane's child just comes from his current, general sense of defeat. I think the writers were just showing that he even doubts the legitimacy of his children because his leadership role was so heavily threatened by Negan... :/
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Nov 14 10:24:26
maybe he had a vasectomy :p

or timing is the only other thing i can think of:

how long was Shane alone with Lori, how quickly did she give it up, how long after Rick got back did the baby pop out
(not sure any of that was clear... although seems like Rick would've died from food/water issues if unconscious in hospital for too long... it would require at least a couple months for the birth timing to be suspicious... although there was also time outside of hospital before finding the group i guess)
Cherub Cow
Member
Mon Nov 14 20:11:53
"maybe he had a vasectomy :p"

That'd be a fun way to remove all doubt :D

..
"not sure any of that was clear..."

Yeah :/ .. kind of difficult to track time specifics for this show. Seasons have been shown to change sometimes but not always, and that doesn't make it easy to estimate months or get an idea of the exact length of Lori's pregnancy. And Rick's time in the hospital wasn't too clear either.. he had an IV and was totally inactive, so he could potentially survive a little bit longer than expected.. and I think random peeps may have mentioned that about a month had passed since the infection, but even they weren't sure exactly...

Might just have to take Rick's word for it! Still, if he's just intuiting it all, his intuition might be off at the moment, so I reserve my doubts until they get DNA tests to work again ;D
Cherub Cow
Member
Mon Nov 14 20:52:31
Thought someone posted this, but I can't find it here.. hmm..
Dave Chappelle did a Negan spoof on SNL:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EG0wQRsXLi4
He leads with a spoiler of the return episode in this clip, so I hope that pre-clip he warned people who hadn't caught up with the show.. :p
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