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Cherub Cow
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Sun Sep 04 03:38:41
Thread 1:
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Cherub Cow
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Sun Sep 04 03:39:00
Finally watched the episode! (S2-E9: "Los Muertos")

[tw]: "they're getting a little casual about the zombie disguise... a few blood swipes w/ no concern about the zombies nearby approaching"

Def. It used to be that even if covered in blood they still had to act pretty dead and not be seen talking (little Sam would agree), but in that scene they were having a conversation in full view of a horde.. :/
..maybe like goldfish the dead forget that someone was talking so long as there's a few seconds of delay ;p

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[tw]: "the shopping cart system didn't make much sense either... in many ways :p"

Yeah! Nick could have put those little cake things on top somewhere after making sure that they'd gotten everything that she wanted. Also no way that a former cartel member wouldn't just cut off Nick's hand and ask questions later :)

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- they must have added budget for crane shots... in the opening scenes they had a pretty gratuitous one when Madison/Strand's group entered the hotel
- if the pharmacist was really bitten by a walker (as opposed to a dog or something) but is okay... immune? It can't be that he randomly found a cure?
- I'm not too judgemental of their getting drunk.. apocalypse or not, people can't be eternally hyper-vigilant.. but in an open area? loudly playing the piano? leaving the front door open? :/
..that scene *was* at least kind of like the "Shaun of the Dead" scene where all the zombies reach over the bar :D
- Ophelia just wandering somewhere? They really wanted to make it seem like she killed herself, but after the misdirection she'll probably have to be somewhere else.
- kind of neat ending in the church! I like their idea that "Los Muertos" represent the two deaths that surround life pre-birth/post-birth. Pretty rad to have that be a foundation of their new religion :D .. Nick seemed a little too troubled by that speech considering that he probably didn't understand any of it XD
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Sep 04 15:55:45
i don't understand it either :p

i think Travis' story up this week... they should have a map at the start to let us know where everyone is
Cherub Cow
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Sun Sep 04 18:30:24
"i don't understand it either :p"

It did have some self-contradictory statements..
"From death we come and to death we deliver ourselves. They say the Lord created the world and that to Him we owe our lives. But this is not so. Life is a sigh between two deaths. And here life is running out. Our parents, our brothers, our friends, and our neighbors are leaving. Their time has come. The great pilgrimage of souls, the immense migration of the dead, has begun. But what about us? Not us. We were counted among the dead. We know death, and it will not take us. We won't leave. This world is for us. The faithful. The chosen ones. The survivors. We have died once and now no longer fear. The children of the resurrection. From death we come, and to death we deliver ourselves [line chanted]. But never will we leave."

Like it doesn't make sense when he says, "Our parents [etc.] are leaving," if he means that their parents have become walkers and that that's why they'll be leaving.. because where do they think that the walkers will go if they don't intend to kill them? But it makes sense if in that line he was talking about people who died before this zombie apocalypse because *they* don't get to come back to life. In that case all of the living peeps and the zombies "never ... leave," so they think that they've joined death and have become eternal (part of the infinite two deaths instead of the finite one life)... then, if Nick understood any of it, he might be weirded out by the quality of that eternal life, since being a walker forever would be pretty bad :p
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Sep 04 18:45:06
but i don't understand why they have the fence up if they believe they aren't meant to die :p
Cherub Cow
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Sun Sep 04 18:49:29
I guess they're just posers :D
Cherub Cow
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Mon Sep 05 15:51:18
@S2-E10: "Do Not Disturb"

Nice father/son camping trip ;D
Not sure how many times Chris has to show Travis that he's a casual murderer.
I do kind of like what the writers have been going for with them: Travis wanting to hold onto the past order (stopping somewhere and making roots) and Chris being fully into the new order (opportunistic nomads). If Travis can get Chris to show more restraint (like Chris seems to have done by not killing those three boys at the store), then in theory Chris might end up fitting in well with Rick's group — strategic murderers ;D

And that hotel manager was basically like that kid who held the door closed at that Orlando club shooting! :p ..
Not a bad episode! Fewer plot holes than usual ;D
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Sep 09 17:02:58
just got around to watching

Travis probably wishing he had never gone after Chris... but those other kids did paint a nice picture of the apocalypse (no cops, no jobs, no bills, etc :p)

i didn't really understand what was going on in the hotel with the keymaster & the guests who hated her (i mean i know why they hated her but not sure why they were still living in the hotel & needing the keys)
Cherub Cow
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Sat Sep 10 02:14:41
Yeah! Like they had 2 months or however long it's been to climb balconies, go to other places, and stuff.. Seems odd that they'd seem so similar to their flash-back selves..
Cherub Cow
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Mon Sep 12 23:35:41
@"Pablo and Jessica" (S2-E11)

Strand seems to be carrying the show :p
..nice sequence on the pier. Otherwise there just isn't much going on in this show...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Sep 13 01:41:09
yeah, it's not as good as the other one
Cherub Cow
Member
Tue Sep 13 18:24:48
Definitely :/ .. Was hoping that it was building to some kind of reversal of fortunes, but I'm doubting the writers. Plus if that takes 4 more episodes then I don't really care. The main WD show goes into interesting existential or political topics in their non-action episodes, but FWD just spends time on dumb family topics (Madison to Strand: "I raised her [to be self-reliant]". Madison to Alicia: "You raised yourself" -- okay so, you get that she's self-reliant because you didn't raise her?). They seem to be trying to make Madison a kind of diplomatic Rick as group leader, but she hasn't faced any significant opposition yet (reconciling a wedding party with the caterers is hardly significant).. To be seen
... And Alejandro, this person that Nick is helping, looks set up to be wasted as a cure, since he's more interested in being a messiah than a source for cure harvesting. I guess it would be fun if Jenner at the CDC turns out to be alive still in this FWD timeline (before CDC explodes) and hears about Alejandro only for Alejandro to die before he can help.. but that wouldn't fix the mundane episode-to-episode writing :/
Cherub Cow
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Mon Sep 19 04:10:06
@"Pillar of Salt" (S2-E12)

- Nick really seems to like this faith stuff.. more of the show's weird factor.
- Maybe Alejandro isn't totally cured.. maybe like Alice from "28 Weeks Later" (the mother), he's partially infected and partially immune, so it makes him a little crazy sometimes.
- And Madison finding more cause to be stupid.
- But finally one of the characters experiences some threat! When Strand was stabbed I cared for a minute. This show needs to get moving..
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Sep 19 22:45:56
they made the zombies kinda meaningless with this just-grab-one-and-smear-yourself thing
Cherub Cow
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Tue Sep 20 15:29:08
Yeah it's gotten too trendy. Even random colony peasants do it. :p
..I guess they're trying to get all of that stuff out of the way so that new dramas can happen (characters caught up with audience information about the zombies).. but that just goes back to their writers being boring and not making use of the information :/
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Sep 27 01:51:57
the new episode was decent

but not sure why they were obsessed with killing that kid instead of just leaving (there was an explanation but didn't make much sense)

was kinda hoping Alicia would push Madison over the balcony near the end after the 'your dad committed suicide & i like your brother more than you' speech...
Cherub Cow
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Tue Sep 27 02:22:15
"the new episode was decent"

Definitely! They finally have some interesting conflicts in place. Chris' friends showing up at the gates [without Chris?] could be especially fun.

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"but not sure why they were obsessed with killing that kid instead of just leaving (there was an explanation but didn't make much sense)"

Yeah that was very strange logic. It was basically, "we don't want to be left to turn into walkers — if it happens to one of us, we'll put that person out of their misery"... but the big mental flaw for Chris and his new friends was that they don't see the difference between dying immediately/soon of a walker bite and simply needing medical attention. Crazily short-term thinking. It's like that scene in "Canadian Bacon" where one of the soldiers stubbed his toe or something so he was immediately executed like a horse ;p

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"was kinda hoping Alicia would push Madison over the balcony near the end after the 'your dad committed suicide & i like your brother more than you' speech..."

+1 .. they were playing some dark music so I was expecting someone to die there... I guess Alicia can at least be happy that Madison has decided to stop sheltering them with deception. Madison seems to get that for peeps to grow up they have to know even the volatile truths, though that means there's a backlog of lies to reveal..
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Oct 02 21:03:04
a double episode tonight
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Oct 02 22:02:17
the family gettin' their murder on

Ofelia doesn't seem important enough to have her own story line... but i guess possibly is going to merge w/ Depp's Trump supporters engagement
Cherub Cow
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Mon Oct 03 01:13:13
Oh I thought it was going to be another week! Regular Walking Dead doesn't come back until October 23rd.. that leaves two weeks without zombies?? D:
..might not get to watch finale until tomorrow :/
Cherub Cow
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Wed Oct 05 03:28:00
@"Wrath" (S2-E14)

Guess Chris found out way too quickly that being treated like a horse when you have an injury isn't so great ;p
..it seemed like the Chris flashbacks had a coat of Travis' imagination though (that saturated/overcast effect combined with the cutaways when Travis heard a new piece of news and squinted his eyes; like the camera going into Travis' mind more so than the actual reality?). So even though it was maybe pretty definitive that Chris was killed, that flashback wasn't necessarily from those two boys' report of the story. Like if the writers wanted, they could have Chris survive his leg injury and tell Travis that the other two were too scared to kill him or something. The boys' changing stories could even contribute to that..: in one version Chris goes through the windshield, but in another they "pulled him out," and after they seem to be telling the truth the visual flashback had Chris pulling *himself* out... blerg. Seems very likely that Chris *is* dead and that the flashback was supposed to be objective, but I think the writers gave themselves an out..

Madison yelling "that's enough!" through the door seemed pretty stupid.. like.. if you *really* want him to stop, then break a window! :p
..given her later speech, probably that's exactly the situation; she probably just sat there tapping because she wanted Travis to do it..

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@"North" (S2-E15)

Kind of fun having them play with a "noble lie" situation. They directly said that the physician's lie might be okay simply because it got the group to behave (faith in a lie because of the power of a lie). Looks like they'll keep up the lies for the sake of faith, unless they have some fun plans for that :)

The cartel peeps flake again!! :p .. I know it was a big mass of zombies, but with so many armed peeps... just sit down on those steps and take your time! :D

"Depp's Trump supporters engagement"
lol :D .. it'll be great if that turns out to be the case .. like they think that it's their duty to protect the border or something :D

"the family gettin' their murder on"
Yeah!! :D
Even Alicia had a random stabbing. And Madison totally supports sociopathy as a rule. When she said that she'd been living like that for a while, I wonder if that was a justification for Kim Dickens' not having lots of range with this character ;D

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Things improved these last few episodes! I'm trying to keep in mind that even the regular Walking Dead series didn't improve significantly until midway through season 2. These characters have finally started getting change and conflict in their histories. Madison&Travis' relationship could be particularly unhealthy :)

..wonder if Strand will really be leaving the show :(
McKobb
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Wed Oct 05 03:31:26
Strand is in season 3
Cherub Cow
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Wed Oct 05 03:44:34
Cool! Was there a season 3 preview?
McKobb
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Wed Oct 05 08:46:29
Not that I saw, but Kirkman said Strand will be in the next season.
Cherub Cow
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Wed Oct 05 11:50:05
Oh good. He's probably the best actor on the show..
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Oct 05 12:01:20
if Ofelia doesn't become a sex slave, then it's not realistic :p

pretty sure Chris is dead, unlikely they would think finally saying they killed him would pacify his dad... (plus *spoiler* he was on Talking Dead as mystery guest like most main characters who die :p)
Cherub Cow
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Wed Oct 05 13:57:06
Aw :( .. my theory there may be over then. Did he mention that he had to pack up his apartment and move away like Emily Kinney did when her Beth character was killed?

"if Ofelia doesn't become a sex slave, then it's not realistic :p"
The way those border troops targeted Nick's gf, Luciana ("boys! we got a bleeder!" — because she was shot or because she happens to be female?), it made me wonder if they were doing some kind of "28 Days Later"-type "let's re-start the world with forced breeding" situation. They may be ultrasurvivalists who have plenty of weapons and resources but no generational sustainability..
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Oct 05 15:36:12
Robert Kirkman was there again too... but i don't really remember much of what Chris said but wasn't as sad as Emily's guilt trip :p
Cherub Cow
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Wed Oct 05 15:42:15
Emily's guilt trip was amazing :D .. especially with the writer sitting in to listen to what he did to her XD
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Jun 04 18:56:55
new season starts tonight w/ an extended length episode
Cherub Cow
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Mon Jun 05 00:45:10
Oh wow!! I knew it was out in June but didn't realize it was this early.
*looks for the episode*
Cherub Cow
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Mon Jun 05 03:57:18
@S3-E1&E2: "Eye of the Beholder" and "The New Frontier"

That was actually.. good! :D
The writers clearly decided to do a quick shake-up. Travis was a big decision, and that made way for Madison to go full Rick Grimes. She basically said Rick's line from Walking Dead S5-E12:

[Rick, WD]: "We'll make it work. And if they can't make it? Then we'll just take this place"
[Madison, FWD]: "We're going to stay here. We're going to make it our home, even if we have to take it over."

— except Madison added in that stuff about this being fate and accepting that or whatever :p

..Also got a little bit more acting range out of Kim Dickens (Madison) in episode 2. She's usually the same tiny range of expressionless (I think that she thinks that she's being stoic, but it really seems to be near-total expressionlessness), but she actually had to react to the Travis news, so that forced her to step it up. But now right back to the thousand yard stare? ;)

The writing during that compound scene in the first episode seemed weird and choppy to me, but I guess it makes sense if we accept that the crazy brother had compartmentalized a lot of his bad decisions and had surrounded himself with fellow sociopaths. That doesn't quite heal all of the mistakes that Madison's crew was making during their escape, but okay. It also doesn't fix the way that one sociopath soldier was pulled through the vent, but the gore effect there was really kewl, so that's more than okay ;D

That crazy brother seemed more interested in Madison than in Felicia (Felicia probably being more similar in age to him), so it looks like some mother issues will have time to appear in his story. And will Ofelia turn out to be in this compound? Or maybe the person who shot the helicopter was the same one who caught her...

Anyways! This opener caught my interest! :D
Can they keep it going?? ;p
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jun 05 09:31:07
i had a Sarah Connor sense for Madison (rather than Rick)
and i still don't really like her...

and you mean Alicia not Felicia i think... maybe Eyeball is a MILF guy... he certainly forgave her quick when giving her a ride

Nick seemed really upset about Travis %p i mean its not his real father but still...
Cherub Cow
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Mon Jun 05 15:57:32
Yeah not much reaction from him.. maybe because they want to build up his scariness-cred?
An oops! Yeah, Alicia, not Felicia. I thought I checked that before posting ... guess they're not all memorable ;)
McKobb
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Tue Jun 06 00:28:00
Bye Felicia!
Cherub Cow
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Wed Jun 14 02:49:31
@S3-E3: "TEOTWAWKI"/"The End of the World as We Know It"

Mother issues confirmed! XD
Troy (crazy brother) even had a blonde mother, so that worked out for Madison. Then Madison putting a napkin on his lap.. lulz.. she's going to mess with his head :D

Nick's little scuffle with Troy might also have revealed that Madison's group is probably closer to the sociopath side than the "good" side. Madison also mentioned that Travis was their [moral?] compass, so she might start doing progressively more messed up stuff in his absence. Makes me wonder if Madison's group will eventually become a villain for the Walking Dead peeps :p

The added info on the Jeremiah Otto compound peeps (namely that supply bunker) made them out to be ultra-survivalists, which is kewls. Nice to see this side of the post-apocalypse, because this sort of thing had only existed in half-measures on the main WD show. Still, they seem to be saying via those "Jesus" teens that the compound has hidden some weakness.. like that these peeps can't actually fight... Hopefully the writers were confining that to the teens, because the type of people who hoard weapons and apocalypse supplies would *probably* know how to fight, even if those peeps skipped teaching their children.

Daniel back! That's why no one can trust a show that kills characters off screen ;) ... maybe Dr. Exner from season 1 is still alive too? And Celia? ;)

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[tw]: "i had a Sarah Connor sense for Madison (rather than Rick)
and i still don't really like her..."

I'm definitely getting that sense! And in this episode that weapons stockpile really spoke to her :D
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jun 14 09:26:58
i couldn't even remember what happened to Daniel :p
i need a new memory

so you think Madison is trying to mess with Troy not trying to help him? i was assuming she was having compassion after the video... perhaps not

so maybe try to turn him into her puppet & take over the place
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Jun 14 09:30:01
i consulted the walking dead wookieepedia for a refresher

http://wal...alazar_(Fear_The_Walking_Dead)
Cherub Cow
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Thu Jun 15 02:34:28
"i couldn't even remember what happened to Daniel :p
i need a new memory"

I wasn't sure myself! I just went to the other thread for a refresher, though :p

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"so you think Madison is trying to mess with Troy not trying to help him? i was assuming she was having compassion after the video... perhaps not"

Oh true! It's possible that she was helping. Jeremiah Otto did also have that line that resonated with her (the one about parents messing up their kids early but then spending their lives trying to fix their kids). The episode also showed via Alicia&"Jesus" kids that peeps like Troy have become necessary for survival, and via Nick they brought up that people would suspect the family if anything happened to Troy...

It could be like that Rick/Morgan thing where Rick wasn't admitting that peeps could change, but Morgan still thought that they could (that is, Madison having a similar internal curiosity going on)... She saw how things went with Chris (someone who was changing for the worse), but Chris rejected her help whereas Troy wants her presence..
So TLDR: maybe she's legit trying to be a positive influence while also getting the perks of having tabs on Troy's activities :D
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jun 26 00:17:25
someone should've pointed out to Madison that Travis plummeted to his death elsewhere so the crash site really had no significance to her

one of these times team Clark or Troy is gonna hold a weapon to the others head and do it already

eww @ Raven
Cherub Cow
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Mon Jun 26 20:53:42
"someone should've pointed out to Madison that Travis plummeted to his death elsewhere so the crash site really had no significance to her"
Maybe she was hoping for zombie Travis to visit ;)

Troy needed to step up on that one! Now Madison will be in charge of his unit! ;p ... though that was some generous story-writing that the big guy suddenly respected Madison and that she was fine and in front while everyone else's feet were bleeding...

Forgot to watch last week, so caught up this week:

S3-E4: "100"
They've managed to change Daniel's character into something more interesting by getting rid of his craziness and saying that he was trained by the CIA. Nice upgrade.

S3-E5: "Burning in Water, Drowning in Flame"
Kind of silly when peeps (here Alicia) lose the will to live in the apocalypse, but I guess it's a nice show that these peeps previously didn't actually have anything inside them worth living for. And now she's found something (base jumping) ;)

Always funny to me when peeps can sneak up within a few feet like the natives did at the crash site. Very convenient. That rivalry seems like a pretty comical story line, but it could be fun :p

And I guess Luciana was on a similar wall as the one that Ofelia passed? Could mean that they'll end up together, and for simplicity it could be that they'll be with the native group? Or is there a third group?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jun 27 20:18:13
I vaguely recall Ofelia being captured but don't think it was by native Americans...

they don't do a good job of making me remember what people are doing or where they are... but perhaps some fault is mine :p
Cherub Cow
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Thu Jul 06 06:00:26
@S3-E6: "Red Dirt"

Peeps started to act pretty stupidly in this episode. Pretty clear that either the writers don't have any military knowledge or the militia peeps just have no clue how to manage a defense (maybe just the latter, since Troy's friend broke down "game over, man!" style when they got to the gates)... like, they should have had snipers/lookouts higher on the ridges after they knew about their new rivals (before the fires)... and Alicia's BF just handed her a loaded rifle for her first time on a range? :D

Madison's speech was pretty painful. I tried to pay more attention to the words than the delivery, because I guess we still have to accept Kim Dickens' monotone. She also didn't raise her voice for that speech, which makes me wonder if any of those peeps would have been able to hear her ;p

Still! Was cool to see Madison recognizing that Troy has become important to their survival. Seemed like she gave him the speech that Dexter's father gave Dexter about controlling his sociopathy constructively. Fingers crossed for zombie Travis making an appearance at some point ;)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jul 06 10:46:32
maybe they're going for a 'what if Shane had come out on top' group
Cherub Cow
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Fri Jul 07 22:19:39
Seems like it :D
They also seem to be making a lot of statements on West Coast U.S. gun possession politics. Seems like kind of a non-issue in a zombie apocalypse.. like it's pretty funny that Nick didn't want to own a gun, given that zombies want to eat them and people have been actively shooting at them.
Cherub Cow
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Sun Jul 09 03:02:40
Let's see if I actually remember to watch the show tonight ;D ... I keep forgetting until days after the episode has aired
Cherub Cow
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Mon Jul 10 04:07:23
Oh wows.. didn't realize that this week was going to be a double-episode mid-season finale. That was a fast half-season at just 6 weeks for 8 episodes..

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@S3-E7: "The Unveiling"

What a surprise: Ofelia is allowed to go near the mess tent for Otto's group even though she's *obviously* in a position to be a spy/traitor, and coincidentally half the camp gets sick or dies from poisoning — if *only* there was some way to have seen this coming :|

..amazing 'intelligence' happening there. And why? Because Madison vouched for Ofelia? Because Ofelia had some bruises? They should have put Ofelia in a confined room with no windows and no valuable information within sight, but instead they let her walk around with Madison, who wasn't even paying attention. And even before that they put Ofelia in the supply bunker?? "Oh hey, random person from an opposing camp, just stay here where you can count our supplies and munitions. This information couldn't possibly be useful for an enemy, could it?" ... terrible, terrible writing. Almost unbelievably terrible writing ("almost" because I haven't *completely* forgotten about season 1 and 2.. just partially forgotten ;D ..). Did the writers really think that audiences wouldn't suspect Ofelia? She wasn't even likeable/trustable *before* she spent a huge chunk of time away from the group..

..Did notice from this episode that it was *Otto* that found Ofelia in the desert before. After Ofelia and Otto's conversation (where they knew each other and she clearly did not appreciate his prior treatment of her) I went back to S2-E14 ("Wrath"), and sure enough, they even show Otto's face when he captures her in that scene. Guess I just never recognized him.. this show really has a lot of forgettable moments ;)

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@S3-E8: "Children of Wrath"

..oh, they start the episode with scenes from that "Wrath" episode, so I wasted effort looking up the other episode ... The episode naming makes sense now ("Wrath" and "Children of Wrath"). A little message on how those brutal actions affect the keeeedz ;p

[Alicia]: "We're on the wrong side"
lol, wut? :D
The Native group clearly has a racial motive (as racially-motivated as Otto appears to be) where they've put themselves back into a narrative against a European invader, so I'm not sure how Alicia thinks that she could/should change "sides". Was that a joke about white guilt at Alicia's expense? ;D

Have to wonder if Walker would fully accept Otto's head and not want to attack the ranch anymore. Walker's stated motive previously was to reclaim ancestral land, so I'm not sure how resolving a *personal* matter (vengeance for Otto's killing of Walker's uncle, father, and another two) has changed that imperative. If anything it looks like a tactical failure for the Otto ranch, because the Natives just convinced Madison to kill one of her own with no exchange beyond a promise. If Walker has changed the rules just because Madison showed some admirable warrior spirit, that would also be ridiculous — if his former motive had any truth, she would still be a European invader in his eyes.

This episode also just highlighted that that song "Stand By Me" even sounds bad when it's re-mixed. Play some Slayer!! ;D
Cherub Cow
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Mon Jul 10 04:40:12
*"if *only* there [were] some way to have seen this coming :|" (subjunctive!)

Oh, lol: Otto was shot in the forehead, but they're going to pretend that he killed himself?? lol... okay yeah, sure. If you scroll down to a comment by "Soylent Green" in this article ( http://www...s-how-awful-white-peopl-257771 ) there's a bunch of other pretty-valid complaints, like "A character literally just admitted to having plot armor." The article isn't worth reading, though, so don't bother :p

Season 3 started well enough, but there was so much garbage in this mid-season finale... I'm not sure that I'll continue watching when it picks up again. Then again, it premieres September 10th and will wrap up just before the normal Walking Dead show returns.. so maybe? :/
McKobb
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Mon Jul 10 23:29:45
West coast avengers!
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Jul 10 23:52:28
it was worth rewatching that old episode just to confirm they showed his face

I didn't hate it as much, but there were definitely issues :p

and I didn't quite get the ending... the body was in the casket right? where Madison went for the head... so what did the sons take that was wrapped up?
Cherub Cow
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Tue Jul 11 01:40:16
[McKobb]: "West coast avengers!"

I'm still just hoping that this has all been an excuse to give Rick a new villain after Negan ;D

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[tw]: "and I didn't quite get the ending... the body was in the casket right? where Madison went for the head... so what did the sons take that was wrapped up?"

They edited that so poorly.. I think their intention was that the sons wrapped up the body, put it into the casket for a funeral, then Madison opened the casket and took the head.. so maybe the sons wouldn't be aware of her deal?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Jul 11 14:42:30
yeah, that's probably it... maybe that casket/barn area was supposed to have some meaning that I don't recall... or some other artistic reason to show things in weird order that I don't understand :p
McKobb
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Mon Sep 18 19:44:23
Wow. So American survivalists in the apocalypse are going to give over their guns to a bunch of Indians? I thought California was going to have a show comparable to the Georgia crew.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Sep 24 21:51:31
show night...spoiler warning

what's it gonna take for someone to kill Troy!
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Oct 02 22:29:00
S3E13 was Sunday

our protagonists really seem to bring ruin wherever they go
Cherub Cow
Member
Tue Oct 10 22:28:03
Finally caught up! I'd been an episode or 2 behind and didn't want to risk spoilers..

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S3E09 — "Minotaur"

Umm…. Yeah that key handover scene made no sense.

[Madison]: "Give him the key, Jake."
[Alicia]: "What are you doing?"
[Madison]: "They’ll control the weapons. All of them. We’ll sweep the ranch for the rest."
[Jake]: "That makes us prisoners on our own land, Madison."
[Madison]: "Better than the alternative."

Umm, no it’s fucking not better. Option 1 is lock the weapons up with shared control, option 2 is apparently to give Walker personal access and do whatever he wants (which at that moment sounds like vengeance)... but Jake decides to hand over the key?? It’s a pretty hilarious narrative that they’re trying to invent: one where somehow it makes sense in the post-apocalypse for gun control to flourish. And they’ve tried to paint Troy as a gun-crazy lunatic who goes blood drunk when people try to take his weapons.

Kind of a bad attempt at being iconic with the imagery in the ending scene (Madison slowly de-cocking the lever and holstering, and Troy having to walk away). A bad attempt since Madison can’t act, and the dialogue had no gravity.

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S3E10 — “The Diviner”

Why would camp leadership (Madison and Walker) go on the water search mission instead of sending scouts? Did they just Star Trek this?

[Madison]: "Do you have children? ... Talk to me when you have children."
Lol... Madison *would* say some dumb shit like that XD

...Alicia putting Nick’s pistol on the table was a little bit too much like a TV movie’s drug intervention moments. Like Nick is now addicted to free weaponry (marijuana!) and needs a lecture on how gun control (don’t smoke reefer!) is the smart choice for society and that he shouldn’t be hanging out with those delinquent friends of his that give him gateway firearms ("You could end up on heroin again!"). "Look at what [using firearms] has done to you! [Smoking cigarettes and looking cool and aloof on the couch!]" ... I did like that Walker’s dog metaphor got some energy in that scene with Alicia wanting to turn Nick away from Madison’s overbearing influence.

Okay... so Ofelia wanted to avoid being public because she feels bad about killing half the ranch’s population, but she thinks it’s okay to become one of the only armed deputies of the nation (in the nation's most public position)??

The biggest guy in the ranch makes a David and Goliath reference? The writers have no self-control, and they apparently don’t have any sense of their extended actor list. That is, they basically just gave a viking a Jewish line — they had a character say something that they themselves would say, not that the character would say.

And the ending scene... "No... put down your gun [the reefer]. We can solve our differences by banding together as a community!"
This is seriously becoming a made-for-TV-movie drug PSA... but like, guns instead. What a fucking joke.

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S3E11 – "La Serpiente"

They made pretty quick work of the water situation... all of these happy situations make me hope for everything to fall apart for them ;p

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S3E12 – "Brother's Keeper"

Well-directed intro to the episode. Where the hell did that come from?
...but then the writing was right back to shit with that Alicia/Nick conversation. She couldn’t even sell that line in her own tone: "You share the same self-destruction [with Troy]"
Wow that's very insightful for you to say — and also very out of character. Did you just read directly from the writer notes?
[FWD Writers]: "We want Alicia to say something about how Nick and Troy share the same kind of self-destruction... Hmm.. how about we have her say, 'You share the same self-destruction'? Got it!"

@Troy’s horde: finally, the "Reckoning" I've wanted too >:D

@Nick hitting Jake, causing him to fall into a pack of walkers: retard mode engaged! Or just more bad writing? Difficult to tell if the characters have no brains or just the writers.

That ranch defense was super sad. Everyone was just wearing t-shirts and apparently only had single magazines (the ones already loaded in their rifles). No one geared up? Even Coop, who apparently was supposed to be a tough character, just went out in slow motion while the actors apparently waited for a better set to be built. Did they blow the budget making those RVs move and didn't have anything left for extras and shot effects, or was this part of their continued (lame) attempt at minimizing the presence of firearms in the scenes where firearms obviously would have been playing a major part in any real sense? Or do we really pretend that the post-apocalypse could work with pacifist weaponry? How far do the writers need to take this experiment before seeing how stupid it is?

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S3E13 – "This Land Is Your Land"

Nick still very casually forgetting that he can use the grenade launcher to move the horde somewhere else?
[Nick]: "Your brother’s dead because you brought a horde down on us."
Umm, no, I’m pretty sure that Jake died because you hit him in the back of the head instead of letting him kill his brother. You also probably could have pulled him backwards instead of pushing him off a ledge into some walkers. Basically you fucked up.

lol@Alicia’s paper math calculating [for dramatic effect] how long the bunker will have oxygen. "Hmm, according to the cubic feet of this room — which I had time to measure — and based on the average oxygen consumption of a grown adult in terms of cubic feet — which is data I have available — I calculate that x number of grown adults will deplete the air in this room within 2 hours!" Like.. why the paper BS and the time estimates? Why not just drop that garbage and say, "Hey, this is a sealed room; we'll run out of air if we don't fix this vent as quickly as possible"? Would that be too much like 2002's "Resident Evil" lab scene?

[Old Man]: "There's not enough ammunition to shoot us all."
Wait, what? There isn’t enough ammunition in the supply bunker at a hyper-survivalist’s ranch to shoot the 10 or so of you? Are you fucking kidding me? How the fuck did the ammunition disappear? Was it the four or so shots that were fired in the 2-minute ranch defense? The writers have gotten so desperate not to use firearms that they've just invented plot points.

lol@Alicia leaving the room hyperventilating after killing that old man. I’m pretty sure the air benefits that you just earned were burned immediately afterwards ;D

[Old Woman]: "They need you, [Millennial Idiot], because you’re [so incompetent that it’s endearing?]"
Thank you so much, random old woman actor who was trusted to carry this scene with nostalgia and grace but who someone never showed up on casting's radar and thus was comically irrelevant and just another useless notch on Alicia's "I'm growing up so good!" belt :|

Wow, euthanasia, then 9/11 references, then post-9/11 vet PTSD — all in about 5 minutes.. the writers on this show have gone full "made for TV movie" ... they’re just checking all the boxes and hoping something hits.
[Colbert]: "Emmy please!"

The suffocation death scene wasn’t too badly done (dead rising while Alicia was struggling to stay conscious), it’s just a shame that so much bad writing was necessary to make that 30 second idea possible.

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S3E14 — "El Matadero"

Aw :( .. poor Ofelia.. that bite reveal scene almost made me forget how bad her script has been this season (the captivity story and going "Native"). She might be the only character left that matter[ed]. Pretty sure I don’t like any of the others anymore.
..Nevermind! Strand can still tell it like it is, apparently. :p
(Referring to his scene where he confronted Madison about supply waste). Also looks like he has some special item for some random Thunderdome person. I'm sure it's been revealed, but I don't care enough to obsess about it ;)

..Good line by Taqa ("Put an end to this, even if it does get us all killed.") That was a good perspective on not necessarily playing it smart but doing right by oneself for once.

...wow. Good scene with Ofelia and then Daniel.. :'(

This episode was almost like a throwback to the non-Ranch episodes that weren’t all garbage. Figures that they’d write a decent one just before next week's finale double episode ;p
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Oct 10 23:56:15
i'm gonna disagree with one of your few positive comments :p... what's up with Madison giving no warning to Daniel that she could turn any second & then he goes over there hugging her... easily could've got him killed
Cherub Cow
Member
Thu Oct 12 23:58:21
True! There might have been a little too much left unsaid there. They seem to have not needed to say anything because they were in each other's heads, but a quick little, "Hey, she just died like, a minute ago," would have been helpful :D
Cherub Cow
Member
Wed Oct 18 00:20:05
S3E15 – "Things Bad Begun"

[Proctor about Alicia]: "She’s pretty."

Lol.. she wishes anyways. Half of her screen time is her thinking about how pretty she thinks she looks in her scene. Imagine if that mental energy went into acting?

And this whole scenario seems like another Millenial’s ridiculous fantasy of relevance. Like Alicia is just going to be given a chance to be a surgeon’s assistant after splinting someone’s leg? Yeah, okay. And I guess watching Sponge Bob and Harry Potter is going to qualify other Millenials to become astronauts and lawyers — if only someone would notice them and skip them past all the training! "You’re really super qualified. Even more so than all of these people in the room who clearly can do a better job than you, because like.. [yadda yadda yadda, magic finger waving.]" I really get the feeling that children were chosen to field the writer’s table for this show... That and this show's major problem is that they want something to happen every 2 minutes, which means no development.

Troy’s death was kind of boring. They went for a shock moment like has been done in the regular Walking Dead, but it was just bleh. I get the writer's intention with paralleling Troy and Nick (I mean, they outright stated it via Alicia's bad line in S3E12), and so killing Troy was like Nick realizing that he was mortal and could be killed [by his mom if his mom would evaluate him as a person rather than a son], but I can't help but feel that the whole thing was just super lame. Kind of a waste to kill him when he was starting to blossom.

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S3E16 — Sleigh Ride

oo, the proctors are like, totes bad guise. Our worst enemy! So much so our worst enemies that we have to just say that they're the worst rather than developing them into that over time. And now the leader can just arrive at the dam and start walking around even though he had spinal surgery earlier that same day? Millenial Alicia must be an incredible surgeon's assistant. Oh no, but it's also because the proctor leader is like an Eastern philosopher and knows the history of civilizations and stuff. He learned lots of cool stuff in-between cooking biker meth, so he can manage his pain really well :|

That ending was fucking awful. The Christmas dinner turned sour metaphor was awful. This show is garbage.
Cherub Cow
Member
Wed Oct 18 00:22:27
lol. I do really enjoy complaining about how bad this show is, though XD
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Oct 18 09:12:05
& i enjoy reading :p

i'm still watching even though every time an episode comes along i'm disappointed i have to watch it

i'm hoping Troy is dead as he should've been many times before, not sure though... he was in the room with the C4 yet they decide to show a scene of him lying there intact with water slowing coming in

but at least our protagonists continue to destroy every place they go to
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