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Cherub Cow
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Mon Mar 25 19:41:44
SPOILERS at all times! :p

Thread 10:
http://www...hread=81647&time=1553558724415
Cherub Cow
Member
Mon Mar 25 19:43:37
*"I hope this doesn't [affect] my death picks :("

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"are you sure Tara was one of them?"

Totes :(
They showed her head just before Henry, and then they showed her fighting with the others in the barn.

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"they should've put name tag captions + a non-dead portrait up next to the heads so we could tell who they were :p"

Considering that the Whisperers killed some total rando teens who apparently had no parents, that wouldn't have been a bad idea :D
Alpha should have stuck around longer to make sure that she was killing important people. She probably killed Tammy because Tammy had one of the Whisperer babies, but she had no idea that peeps *wanted* Tammy dead (if anyone in the communities shared my opinion of her), lulz
Cherub Cow
Member
Mon Mar 25 20:09:30
Oh, looks like I got it wrong about the redheaded character. She wasn't a teen, she was one of Negan's former wives who joined Alexandria after the Saviors fell (one of the ones who asked Eugene for poison with which to kill Negan), so she had had a few lines before this episode. She had adopted a daughter (one of the kids who was taken captive by Michonne's old friend), so it looks like the writers tried to show that all of the characters were connected to others (it was Eugene who first asks where Frankie is, with Frankie's concerned daughter standing next to Eugene). It would have been funny if they showed a head that no one *there* recognized, though :D .. like what if Alpha planted the head of that random whisperer who saw her crying? :D
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Mar 25 23:06:32
so who leads Hilltop now? i saw Maggie in a promo for a different show so that may explain her disappearance :p

and they've whacked Jesus & Tara


i rewatched the head segment & i think the problem is it cuts to Gabriel asking Eugene if he's seen 'her'... not sure why we should know he means Tara there
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Mar 25 23:17:00
...i mean obviously not everyone is as stupid as me & could recognize the heads :p... but seems like those cutaways were to help us identify them & that one doesn't seem to help
Cherub Cow
Member
Tue Mar 26 01:05:57
Yeah, that one could have been two "her"s — Tara or Rosita (Michonne and Carol were alive at the pikes already, and Gabriel doesn't really talk with any other women). When I watched the first time I thought it might be Rosita just because it was Gabriel and Eugene talking (part of Rosita's crew), but after seeing Tara (a surprise to me) I guessed we were supposed to hear Gabriel's official-sounding councilman tone ("If you happen to see her, could you tell her I need to speak with her?"). I think the writers must have been trying to hide it for an extra second with her so that showing her head would be more shocking for viewers... worked on me at least :D

This is the first episode in a while that I've wanted to watch twice... maybe not since Negan was defeated (which speaks to a sort of uneventful season 9). Finale should be lots of fun :D

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"so who leads Hilltop now? i saw Maggie in a promo for a different show so that may explain her disappearance :p"

Lulz, yeah. That's why I mentioned that Maggie has been cheating on the show with another show ;D ... Morgan too, I guess. Plot-wise they really can't keep her off for much longer, so they need to fix her scheduling conflict.

Not sure who this puts in charge... probably either Siddiq or Alden, Enid's former BF. Siddiq just took to the stage for his big speech (a leadership moment, whereas Alden was afraid to take the stage for a song), so he seems most likely. Hopefully not Earl (Tammy's husband). Kal (Glenn's doppelgänger) would make sense if they gave him more lines, but he'll probably just stay a fighter.

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Oh, I didn't realize until now that it was Hilltop hit the hardest: except for the highwaymen (Kingdom) and Frankie (Alexandria), all of those on pikes were Hilltop people. That must explain how Alpha targeted them.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Apr 01 00:22:25

-- season finale --

so much death...

I like snowy night scenes so that was nice
we again see how odd it is that Judith is still alive

they mention sending a letter to Maggie and not hearing back... not sure how that works in a way that makes sense
Cherub Cow
Member
Mon Apr 01 20:19:35
+1 ; it pretty much doesn't make any sense :/ .. just a meta moment where they're like, "We promise Cohan will return!"

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"so much death..."

Yeah. Another filler episode? :/
I clearly had hoped that the peace build-up was heading to a good finale, but they totally denied a fair slaughter by delaying things until next season. I suspect that Maggie is supposed to be a big part of the Whisperer conflict in which case the writers just had to avoid developing the story until Lauren Cohan returns to the show.. but wasting an entire season for that? :/

It could also be because they have a new showrunner (Angela Kang took over for season 9), but if it's her and not just Cohan at fault then — leaving her in charge — they will build some serious ratings issues and just tank the show altogether. If they were trying to write well, they'd make season 10 the last and wrap everything up, but their decision to waste season 9 makes it seem like they've decided to phone it so that AMC can guarantee a programming slot. Apparently they've contracted some of the actors for 3 years, Rick is supposed to get his own side movies, and Michonne may be getting the Maggie treatment next season...

All we had was that..
• Carol is breaking up with the King,
• Lydia is going to stick it out,
• Radio communications may have gotten them in touch with another (new) community, and
• Negan earned enough trust to maybe not be jailed anymore

It would at least be fun to see Negan take charge and just push everyone around :D

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"we again see how odd it is that Judith is still alive"

Yeah, lol :D ... when she ran off I was immediately like, "Fucking idiot kid." Risks freezing to death to run off to get a dog? Wow... And good thing that no one else but Negan cared enough to help ;p

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Bleh. Total bummer.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Apr 01 23:28:38
i don't blame her for going for the dog... they should all die to save the dog :p

the Whisperer society doesn't make much sense to me... they claim to like to move (plus they must move far to not have been an issue before)... yet they want borders now... why?

and their camps don't make a lot of sense as noted earlier :p
Cherub Cow
Member
Tue Apr 02 01:12:11
The borders thing only makes sense to me as a provocation (to force a conflict) or just a seasonal thing. Like, "We'll be here for the winter, so stay out of our hunting areas."

A day-in-the-life episode would be nice :D
I'd be interested in how a nomadic group feeds itself without stalking animal herds.. though maybe they're able to get to difficult resource spots because of their method? It's a pretty big group to keep fed...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Oct 06 21:55:53

The shows back on... first episode was tonight... outer space themed

Cherub Cow
Member
Mon Oct 07 00:30:20
Awesome! I forgot that October is Walking Dead time :D
This is the best month of the year!! \:D/
Cherub Cow
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Mon Oct 07 05:00:35
@S10E01: "Lines We Cross"

They added some new images into the opening animation. There's a neat rendering of Rick blowing up the bridge, "Silence the Whispers" is written on a compound's walls (For season 9 it said, "Final Warning"), and the walkers approach the heads-on-pikes boundary in the foreground of the windmill (no pikes last season). There were smaller changes too (like, different colors used on trees), but those were the bigger changes...

Maybe Eugene just Chernobyled a bunch of people with his "[I don't care about radiation!]" line.

Good job being seen, Carol! ;p
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Oct 07 11:56:29
she's a trouble-maker for sure... and innovator, that could be the first use of arterial spray to put out a fire
Cherub Cow
Member
Mon Oct 14 03:25:06
That must only work with fresh walkers. I can't imagine the older ones have much blood left ;)

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@S10E02: "We Are the End of the World"

Cool episode title. Seems they had that "We Are the World" song in mind and switched it up :D

"I like killing with you."
So romantic! :D
It's like "Natural Born Killers" ♥

Nice background on the whisperer ethos. Time to get rocking with some war.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Oct 15 00:02:30
Beta is putting up with a lot of weakness from Alpha, i assumed someone was going down

Beta should be the one killing Alpha, but for story reasons that seemed unlikely, so figured maybe she'd kill him when he saw her weakness at the shrine


so is Beta wearing his son's face or was it supposed to be a lover?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Oct 21 01:33:08

- new episode -

so I guess the ending shows Crazy Carol did see and hit a whisperer, is it supposed to portend more? wasn't clear to me

Cherub Cow
Member
Tue Oct 22 01:35:46
@S10E03: "Ghosts"

Yeah, the music made that seem more significant than maybe it needed to be. I thought the dead Whisperer at the end was Gamma (the sister of the Whisperer who lost her child, had a breakdown, and attacked Alpha), but comparing their masks and clothes, that looks like just a random Whisperer. So the important bit: if that undead Whisperer wanders back to Alpha, then Alpha gets to claim that Carol started a war (Carol looks like the only person in their community who still has ammunition?). That's probably Alpha's wish, which could also mean that Alpha sent that group on that mission in the first place.. like she got them to challenge the border specifically so someone would get killed. Then again, it may have just been some peeps trying to gain Alpha's favor (without orders) by killing Carol for taking a shot at Alpha.. either way: WAR! ;p

At the beginning, that was a pretty cool way to show such a big onslaught of walkers.. That also shows just how good they've become at dealing with hordes.

Negan battling with his sadistic side and sitting in a chair while Aaron wandered around helpless was cool >:D
Negan must be considering which dominoes need to be knocked down to get him back into power. Judith may be the only one really stopping him (he wants to protect her), so if anything happens to Judith, everyone is going to be Negan again ;)
Cherub Cow
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Mon Oct 28 07:22:46
@S10E04: "Silence the Whisperers"

That indie song (Gordi's "Heaven I Know") at the beginning and end definitely inspires ultraviolence, though not intentionally ;)

Good character episode. Nice to hear Lydia say that she loved Henry. Connections to their past sometimes get buried. They also did that with Aaron this season (he mentions Eric), and of course Michonne just reminisced about Rick. A lot of times the dead/gone names get inferred, but no one says them (like, Glenn hasn't been mentioned by name in a bit). That was the big theme of the episode: people handling their lost loves in different ways. Highway-woman handled hers... poorly ;p .. pretty cool that Negan can kill someone accidentally just by tossing her aside. He's a total badass. :D

I wonder what he'll get up to. It was a good decision from his position to get out of there when he was given the chance. A lynch mob could easily have formed and taken him out. The council should have put a trusted (main character) security team with him for that exact reason. And if Daryl was to be believed, Lydia really didn't let him out? I thought Negan had already built in a just-in-case escape plan, but the questioning of "who" was interesting. Must have been Daryl if not Lydia, since Daryl wouldn't have missed anything if he was really on watch...

Otherwise, not much happening in this episode, just pieces being moved in place. Luke (Dan Fogler; the music teacher) had a bit too much emphasis placed on his goodbyes to his group. It seems like people should *always* do that in this world, but when it's shown on camera it seems like a death sentence ;D ... Trouble in paradise with Magna and Yumiko, but I don't like that group so I don't care.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Oct 28 13:13:35
did you know the Magna and Yumiko names without looking them up? i can't keep track of hardly anyone :p

i'm pretty sure that musician* guy heading in the wagon to Oceanside is dead soon (*pretty sure he is somehow related to music anyway... the guy from the deaf person group)

Margo's 2 guy friends should be expelled from the town for lying about assault / attempted murder... it's not clear that situation is resolved, but seems like they aren't facing consequences

Cherub Cow
Member
Mon Oct 28 19:16:57
"Margo's 2 guy friends should be expelled from the town for lying about assault / attempted murder... it's not clear that situation is resolved, but seems like they aren't facing consequences"

Yeah! The teen is just being a teen, but the other guy is an adult. Violently attacking a teenage girl in the middle of the night is all kinds of wrong. Knowing the show, they'll probably just get some vigilante justice, since the council may not see any reason to make a ruling on Negan anymore... And it's not great that the council wasn't able to see through the teen and Highwayman's lies when questioned. That should have been unanimous even with Aaron there.

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"did you know the Magna and Yumiko names without looking them up? i can't keep track of hardly anyone :p"

I definitely had to look them up. :D I didn't even recognize their names when I found them. They could have been "Lightning" and "Potato", and I would have been like, "Sounds right." ;)

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"i'm pretty sure that musician* guy heading in the wagon to Oceanside is dead soon"

That whole group is disposable :p .. it's only a bummer if they're killing Luke (musician) before killing the others of that group :'(
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Oct 29 19:02:41
he doesn't look like a Luke... i'd give him the Potato name... but i guess since he's dead soon it doesn't matter
Cherub Cow
Member
Mon Nov 04 06:38:50
@S10E05: "What It Always Is"

@opening: weird.. almost like being deaf makes you an unsurvivable liability in a zombie apocalypse.. almost like.. those characters probably wouldn't have lived to this point. Hmm.. ;p

..I only just realized with that "Kelly?" note that the second person who's turning deaf is a girl, lol... I'm still not convinced, actually ;p

Cutting oneself on one's own knife is why Carol has a trench knife — the handle gets slick when it's covered in blood :p

Negan calling Beta a "big ass freak" got me to look at their heights. Jeffrey Dean Morgan is 6'1", and Ryan Hurst (Beta) is 6'4".. Incidentally, Ryan Hurst played that soldier in "Saving Private Ryan" who couldn't hear well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjAGUWxoY-Q
..seems he grew up and got a death metal beard ;)

The cliffhanger would have us believe that Negan and Beta will get in a fight right there on the spot, but probably Negan will just join the Whisperers and maybe betray them to save the three communities..
Cherub Cow
Member
Mon Nov 04 06:46:19
Ugh... I guess the Walking Dead producers figured that "Fear the Walking Dead" wasn't bad enough, so they decided to try again with yet another spin-off show. It reminds me of Family Guy's recent episode making fun of reboots, because this new WD is aimed at teens:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JkS4P2W64I
Good comment: "This time we root for the zombies."
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Nov 04 23:00:40
yeah, Kelly has been hard to determine, but there was some earlier episode where they somehow indicated it was a girl & i was surprised :p


the "classic Negan!" kid felt like they picked up a fanboy at a convention & put him in the show :p
...i was worried he was going to survive

and to nitpick & pad my comments: Negan is talking about planes & realizes the kid wouldn't know what it was like to fly, then mentions being 'roided up' & the hall of fame... pretty sure he wouldn't get those references either :p
Cherub Cow
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Tue Nov 05 01:03:36
"pretty sure he wouldn't get those references either :p"

lol, I was thinking the same. The kid did look a little lost when Negan said that. A line like, "Oh, you don't know those references either," would have been nice :D

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"the "classic Negan!" kid felt like they picked up a fanboy at a convention & put him in the show :p
...i was worried he was going to survive"

Yeah, he was a mess, wasting Negan's cool ;)
Def glad he only had about 5 minutes of screen time.

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"Kelly has been hard to determine"

In Googling, it looks like that actress self-identifies as "queer", so that explains it. Apparently that role was also a male role in the comics (they were supposed to be a couple, not sisters). Those characters need to die, so it would be a shame if the WD writers feel obligated to let them live just because of their RL details ;)
Cherub Cow
Member
Mon Nov 11 04:30:39
@S10E06: "Bonds"

Tense ending. I worried for Negan in that position :p

Carol must be hoping that the whisperer she took didn't have a lot of friends ;)

Surprising that they didn't bother having the doctors figure out that it was contaminated water in this episode. They gave it enough screen time. It's strange that that's a major weakness of Alexandria. Maybe they've taken the filtration system for granted?

Eugene having hope with Rosita wasn't a good sign for Rosita.

A nice setup episode. Already coming up on the mid-season finale.. enough cool stuff in place to make it interesting.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Nov 12 01:06:25
did they explain how Negan was able to walk w/ an apparent group of actual zombies? (that end part before Beta agitated them)

my mind wandered at parts so could've missed something, but that didn't seem to make sense
Cherub Cow
Member
Tue Nov 12 05:23:28
After that, he arrived with a bloody log, so I'd guess he found that log nearby and started clubbing. His jacket gives him +10 to bite defense, so it's reasonable ;)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Nov 12 11:37:17
no, i mean why weren't they trying to eat him before Beta started a ruckus (ruckuses haven't been required before)

he didn't seem camouflaged in any way
Cherub Cow
Member
Wed Nov 13 05:24:30
Oh yeah! That was super weird. The walkers apparently can be guided by the distraction of whispering, but Negan being loud-mouthed didn't bother them until Beta killed that whisperer...

Re-watching the scene... Before they zoom, it's possible to pick out maybe 3 whisperers for sure (two right next to Negan&Beta, and one with arrows)... after they zoom in on Negan&Beta it's difficult to see in the background who's a whisperer and who's a walker (i.e., how far were the walkers from the conversation?)... When Negan&Beta stop walking, the walkers/whisperers start circling (like they're being directed by whisperers). So, best case scenario for the writing would be that the whisperers were circling around Negan&Beta so that Negan&Beta could talk, and once Beta sacrificed a whisperer, the other whisperers stopped running interference and let the walkers move in. But... if that's the case, then they should have done a better job showing how the whisperers were managing that interference. Like, maybe a walker looks over to Negan, but then a whisperer distracts the walker back away... so, not too well directed.
Cherub Cow
Member
Wed Nov 13 05:26:44
Oh! And yeah, without a whisperer mask and no apparent walker blood on him, Negan was just out in the open. They *really* needed to show how that was possible with better direction. It can be inferred, sure, but they left too much space for world-breaking..
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 13 12:00:38
it's possible bald lady had been walking w/o a mask in hordes before (it's hard to tell if they are all whisperers or not in a group :p)... but she probably smells like death all the time anyway :p

i guess we're to assume they can pacify the dead as well as steer them
Cherub Cow
Member
Thu Nov 14 05:49:17
Yeah they must all smell horrible. :D
It would be cool to see them working from their perspective — doing all the pacifying and steering. All the little gestures and tricks could be interesting if they took the time..
Cherub Cow
Member
Mon Nov 18 06:24:26
@S10E07: "Open Your Eyes"

Siddiq was in *way* too much of this episode. I was hoping he'd figure out the water thing right at the start, but instead it was 36 minutes of burned time..

@ending: Woohoo! Spoke too soon. That might be it for him \:D/
I was worried he would spin around and stab the other doctor, Dante, in a PTSD rage, so this was a happy ending. The better character and actor just survived. That was a blood choke, so Dante would have to hold it for longer to make it a kill, but the show seems to have communicated a death...

It made sense that Siddiq couldn't figure out that the water was contaminated (PTSD and sleep deprivation), and this explains why Dante couldn't either. Dante knew and just didn't say anything; he bent the handle and switched the water source from clean/filtered to contaminated (maybe Alexandria needs more safeguards than that, lulz). And his line about Siddiq packing his bag was probably just his cover for poisoning the prisoner to protect whisperer info.

Not sure how I didn't guess that Dante was a whisperer. He just sort of materialized on the show without a backstory, for one. And it was an established possibility from Alpha's blonde wig episode that the whisperers had infiltrators. And after this episode's weird line by Siddiq being reminded of Enid every time Dante was present... that should have been a giveaway. Because why else be reminded of Enid when *Dante* is present (two characters that never met before their connection was revealed)? That makes the episode title pretty cool. Siddiq kept hearing it but didn't know why he couldn't piece things together.
..Now if only *Watchmen* could do this sort of trickery ;D

I was hoping that Rosita's recovery would be explained by her drinking some booze, but that could be an outright plot hole to have her drink more contaminated water and then rescue Siddiq.. The writers must have cornered themselves by making her sick. They probably wanted her to give him his send-off scene, so they just glossed over her recovery. In the scene where Siddiq discovers the valve position, it's only one of three that have been switched, but it looks like all three source pipes connect and would be contaminated at the faucet... hmm...

Anyways, I'm super psyched if Siddiq's character has finally been removed! Actor Avi Nash was awful.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Nov 19 01:50:39
I had been suspicious of Dante but only because he reminds me of a dick from some other show or movie... must be a different actor as nothing in his IMDb seems familiar
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Nov 19 01:56:30
...possibly Ellis from Die Hard
Cherub Cow
Member
Tue Nov 19 02:54:34
"...possibly Ellis from Die Hard"

Yeah!!! He totally looks like Ellis! :D
One of those accidental doppelgängers ;D
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Tue Nov 19 12:07:33
i'm not 100% that's who i'm thinking of :p there may be a 2nd dick... on the grassy knoll...

perhaps it will come to me as we see him more, or it will just continue to bug me & drive me over the edge
Cherub Cow
Member
Mon Nov 25 04:25:03
@S10E08: "The World Before"

[Rosita]: "Maybe Dante was right about us. We're not as strong as we think we are."
Nice exposition. They've gotten soft behind those walls :p

Gabriel just brought back some early-series justice >:)

A heartfelt conversation just after crossing into enemy territory? That's nice and all, but... timing?

[Rando]: "No way you make it this long without being comfortable with violence."
Totes.

Everyone did super great walking into that trap at the end.

A setup episode for a mid-season finale? :(
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Mon Nov 25 11:46:36
i think that -was- the mid-season finale
no episode til February from what i can tell

my guess is Gabriel's been watching Ben on the Purge
Cherub Cow
Member
Wed Nov 27 03:48:26
Yeah! Gabe finally gets it! ;D

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"i think that -was- the mid-season finale"

That's what I mean :( .. the mid-season finale was just a setup episode. Tough way for the show to go on break for 3 months. :(
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