Utopia Talk / Politics / Game of thrones:Oathbreaker

Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Sun May 08 12:04:52 Daenerys meets her future. Bran trips more balls and learns about orgins of Hordor and Ned becoming the worlds shittiest dad. King Tommen (Im so gonna die) Baratheon confronts Bernie Sanders. Arya trains to be No One for no reason. Varys finds an answer in a dick measuring cancer. Ramsay gets a gift. Fuck.... better not be Rickon and Osha..... 52 mins of Violence, nudity, and adult stuff Who will be nude?hopefully it will be Tormund ass raping Ollie) Will The tower of Joy live up to the hype? Will we see Jamie "half inch" Lannister killing the mad King? wow he must have been like 12... Shouldn't Bob Strong be picking off little Sparrows and not random assholes? Will the Red Woman bring back Roose, Stan, Stan's wife/daugher, the cross bowguy, and some other random dudes? Did Baleon win the "War of the Five Kings"?
Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Sun May 08 22:49:31 Justice served.
CrownRoyal Member	Mon May 09 08:15:13 that development in the end did not make a lot of sense. If Jon doesn't give a crap about the Watch anymore, why did he even bother dealing with Thorne, Ollie, etc?
hood Member	Mon May 09 08:43:19 Revenge. The bastards killed him. Jon snow is becoming the Lord of the North.
CrownRoyal Member	Mon May 09 09:30:54 I got the revenge part, but he could have just go and hack them to death. Instead, he staged that ceremony as the Lord Commander, he showed how anguished he was over the decision to execute them. But why? He doesn't give a shit about the Watch anymore, supposedly. Kill them for vengeance, ok. But he clearly executes them for betraying the Lord Commander, for which the penalty is death. So, I thought it is weird for someone to agonize over the execution, still go with it because the Night Watch rules and laws, only to immediately declare that he doesn't care about the Watch anymore
Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Mon May 09 10:11:21 I think he still cares about The Watch but realizes they can't stop shit are now an irrelevant organization.
hood Member	Mon May 09 10:22:52 I don't think he was torn on killing them. I think he was legitimately pissed the fuck off that Ollie was part of the conspiracy to kill him. It looked a lot more like anger and betrayal than anguish.
CrownRoyal Member	Mon May 09 10:29:38
CrownRoyal Member	Mon May 09 10:30:51 Maybe I imagined things, looked to me like that pause he took before cutting the rope was meant to indicate him being torn. But ok, no big deal.
hood Member	Mon May 09 11:56:53 Its entirely possible that he did have conflicting feelings. I'm not sure where those would come from though. I'm also hoping that the red woman joins him. Although she might be too enthralled with religion again now that she raised someone from the dead. That or she'll be celebrating reaching her 9th lvl of cleric.
Cherub Cow Member	Mon May 09 13:40:39 "that development in the end did not make a lot of sense. If Jon doesn't give a crap about the Watch anymore, why did he even bother dealing with Thorne, Ollie, etc?" I think it was a few things. Partly because of Jon's experience with death: an audience might feel vindicated to see Thorne killed by the person he'd betrayed, but for Jon it's punishing someone for something that doesn't have the right significance; "[You're being executed for killing me. Incidentally, I'm alive.]" .. it's not a sentence that anyone could typically carry out personally, but Jon does so while his death wounds still hurt (walking to the scaffold was itself physically painful), so there's a visceral dimension. Then of course there's the betrayal. Jon thought that he could win these people over by being fair and just like his father. He even took Ollie under his wing after Ollie killed Ygritte and accepted Thorne's dissent, but despite Jon's benevolence Ollie only wants to do him even more harm and Thorne just doubles down (*lots* of unrepentant hate in that scene). I'm sure Jon was also thinking of that Stark creed: "The man who passes the sentence should swing the sword. If you would take a man's life, you owe it to him to look into his eyes and hear his final words. And if you cannot bear to do that, then perhaps the man does not deserve to die." .. so if Jon killed them then he *does* think that they deserve death (they demonstrated to him that he cannot change them even if he let them live, because they brought their malevolence to the brink.. Thorne even saying that he would do it again). But Jon also sees that the Watch is bringing these miseries onto itself. Thorne was very honorably following laws, but those laws no longer have relevance given the impending White Walker attacks (the whole "Game of Thrones" in general — its power plays, betrayals, and foolish privileging of the Iron Throne — being a ridiculously distracted game that can only occur in a decadence that ignores its greater threats and imperatives). And now that Jon is in charge, he can break the traditional stupidities and focus on more than just the defunct laws of the Watch. But he'll probably have to keep killing people like Ollie and Thorne who still want to play power politics instead of preparing for the Walkers..
Cherub Cow Member	Mon May 09 13:43:59 *"Ollie and Thorne who still want to play power politics" — (Ollie playing vengeance politics, not necessarily power politics; vengeance another big issue with the "Game of Thrones" title symbolism) * "He even took Ollie under his wing after Ollie killed Ygritte[,] and [he] accepted Thorne's dissent"
Renzo Marquez Member	Mon May 09 19:49:20 Wanting to take out people who want to kill you is normal. Not wanting to take them out sounds like Seb.
Cherub Cow Member	Tue May 10 01:56:34 It changes the dimensions when you're sort of made immortal. It's not like Jon has become a pacifist (he did follow through on killing them, after all; he sees that the treat persists), but being brought back to life is bound to change your perspective on the people who killed you.. especially if they're going to be executed and will *stay* dead. You'd have to be a Ramsay sociopath to enjoy killing with immunity, but Jon being an honorable Stark.. he's going to digest it differently.
Cherub Cow Member	Tue May 10 01:57:08 *"he sees that the [threat] persists"
Asgard Member	Tue May 10 02:34:19 There is an incredible lackluster in this season.
Forwyn Member	Tue May 10 03:01:13 Also keep in mind the weight of what Jon now knows he is doing, even if he believes in it. He is not sending them to a glorious heaven, or even to a painful hell. He is completely erasing their existence. Beyond this, Jon needed to stamp out this notion that Wildings are the enemy before he left. The wall was not erected to stop Wildlings, it was erected to stop White Walkers. Alliser Thorne and Co. completely jeopardized that original mission by following corrupted priorities. He has now eliminated the Old Guard, and paved the way for a new Night's Watch with the correct goal in mind.
McKobb Member	Tue May 10 03:41:22 Jon Snow knows nothing.
Forwyn Member	Tue May 10 04:19:04 He could teach Ygritte a thing or so about taking an arrow
CrownRoyal Member	Tue May 10 06:26:58 http://i.imgur.com/ig8yf7T.jpg
Cherub Cow Member	Tue May 10 11:53:15 "He could teach Ygritte a thing or so about taking an arrow" lol XD
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Wed May 11 14:28:10 http://imgur.com/IqaFJFh
Cherub Cow Member	Sat May 14 01:04:16 Looks like that editor finished making the entire lightsaber version of the fight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CTJEZXtr94
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