Utopia Talk / Politics / MSM Addresses "Mass Psychosis/Formation"

Cherub Cow rank	Mon Jan 10 09:27:27 2022 (Not a thread for Jergul, Seb, or Nim) (This thread shows the lolcow of AP News) After finally hearing about "mass psychosis" and/or "mass formation" from a December 31st Joe Rogan Experience podcast with mRNA researcher Dr. Robert Malone — a podcast which was deleted from YouTube, which resulted in Malone being deleted from Twitter, and all mention of which was censored heavily by our Tech Overlords for wrongthink — AP News has announced: "[It's totally not real. Trust us, and go back to sleep.]" .. "FACT FOCUS: Unfounded theory used to dismiss COVID measures" [AP News 'Fact Check'; by Angelo Fichera and Josh Kelety; January 8th, 2022] http://apn...7b1044c6256968dcc33886a36c949f "An unfounded theory taking root online suggests millions of people have been “hypnotized” into believing mainstream ideas about COVID-19, including steps to combat it such as testing and vaccination. In widely shared social media posts this week, efforts to combat the disease have been dismissed with just three words: “mass formation psychosis.” “I’m not a scientist but I’m pretty sure healthy people spending hours in line to get a virus test is mass formation psychosis in action,” reads one tweet that was liked more than 22,000 times. The term gained attention after it was floated by Dr. Robert Malone on “The Joe Rogan Experience” Dec. 31 podcast. Malone is a scientist who once researched mRNA technology but is now a vocal skeptic of the COVID-19 vaccines that use it. But psychology experts say the concept described by Malone is not supported by evidence, and is similar to theories that have long been discredited. Here’s a look at the facts."
Cherub Cow rank	Mon Jan 10 09:27:46 2022 .. The reality that the AP article does not want its useful idiots to know: • "Mass psychosis" comes in part from Carl Jung (not mentioned once in the AP article), who wrote of "psychic epidemics" in the context of people being overtaken by mass propaganda and social conditioning. In his essay "After the Catastrophe", Jung spoke of the effects of totalitarian propaganda in Nazi Germany, explaining why an entire population would be taken over by webs of lies which would cause them to commit heinous deeds against their own interests but rather for the interests of the propagandists. • The Journal of Analytical Psychology described the work as "a monumental contribution to the thought of our time. To read it is to be led towards an overview of historical events." It was published with great effort by Princeton University (a team of translators brought Jung's works together into a 20-volume collection), it described the "collective unconscious" (see also Jungian archetypes), and social demoralization (as sampled later by Yuri Bezmenov). • Jung also discusses "scientistic" trends (an exaggerated trust in science which becomes pseudo-scientific instruction; see also Lysenkoism under Stalin), herd mentality (as also elaborated by Freud and Nietzsche), a welfare state making people more susceptible to propaganda via dependence, and individualism versus collectivism and the state. Following the mass psychosis of 2020 (people trapped in their homes and exposed to a stronger propaganda signal via social media), the issue was raised in popular discourse by "Academy of Ideas" (a private academic's research project) in February 2021: "Is a Mass Psychosis the Greatest Threat to Humanity?" http://aca...s-greatest-threat-to-humanity/
Cherub Cow rank	Mon Jan 10 09:27:56 2022 The video/article was so popular that it was re-released with additional citations and the work of animators from "After Skool" in August of 2021: "MASS PSYCHOSIS - How an Entire Population Becomes MENTALLY ILL" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09maaUaRT4M
Cherub Cow rank	Mon Jan 10 09:28:41 2022 "Mass Formation" was later brought up in parallel by Professor Mattias Desmet, who gained traction and was featured on the Aubrey Marcus podcast in October 2021: "Why People WILLINGLY Give Up Their Freedoms W/ Prof. Mattias Desmet |Mass Formation Psychosis" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqPJiM5Ir3A Desmet is about as far back as the AP article bothered to check the issue, since their only task was to burn Joe Rogan, burn Malone, and burn anyone that Malone had mentioned. Thus, Desmet became the central target to discredit for mass formation — despite Desmet only reflecting issues already developed by Jung. This is how the propagandists function: find the target, discredit his works, and hope that the useful idiots move on, now readied to discredit the phrase as they see it. So, we have an AP article trying to "debunk" mass psychosis by quoting researchers who say the party line: • "The concept has no academic credibility", • "To my knowledge, there’s no evidence whatsoever for this concept", and • "That notion has been discredited by decades of research on crowd behavior, Drury said. “No respectable psychologist agrees with these ideas now,” he said." Naturally, because AP News is producing and benefiting from the psychosis, they try to limit it to a matter of COVID-science denial (a red herring which forces people to believe that it's a tribal issue; i.e., "[Those vax-deniers believe in it, thus, it must not be true at all — no reason to look further]"). Ironically, they produce the symptoms of the psychosis by doing so: they have taken part in a lie via a straw man which causes them to create further lies to maintain the lie (that "hypnosis" isn't real, therefore "mass psychosis" isn't real, therefore, trust Fauci and "the science").
Cherub Cow rank	Mon Jan 10 09:28:44 2022 The problems? • This AP article is a willful disregard of the subjects of propaganda and regulatory capture, which may spread misinformation for the "greater good" (the utilitarian/authoritarian's model of social control as a necessary evil — the corrupt belief that the proles must be lied to for the "game theory" of compliance and corporate welfare rather than perhaps made into better citizens via the truth). • The "noble lie" in this case produces further lies, since now people must disregard the works of Carl Jung in order to take part in the AP lie. I.e., those in the psychosis must now agree, "[Yes, yes. Desmet is a liar who has been denounced by the academic community. Likewise, is Dr. Malone. Likewise, Carl Jung is a liar. Likewise, Edward Bernays (author of "Propaganda") is a liar. Likewise, propaganda does not even exist. Likewise, we can trust the state completely. Allow them to maneuver us for their designs, which can only possibly be benevolent.]" • The issue is not new and is not limited to COVID. Mass psychosis was in effect and spoken about indirectly following the 2016 election, when the DNC had to reconcile how it so flagrantly denied the reality of Hillary's chances. Five Thirty-Eight, despite its biases, had to admit that reality-denial has so permeated mass media that people have created straw man arguments of their opponents (e.g., the "mega-identity" error of believing that voting decision *must* indicate an entire iceberg of political positions)( http://fiv...ans-are-wrong-about-democrats/ ). • The AP article also must ignore the reality-denial epidemics that were weaponized following Hillary Clinton's 2016 loss. I.e., the DNC's doubling down on slave morality rhetoric via the weaponization of the BLM and Antifa terror movements. The reality-denial of social justice, of police statistics, of sexuality, etc. At any rate, expect mainstream media to boost the signal to try to get the useful idiots to ignore and downplay the subject of mass psychosis. It's finally on their radar, and they saw their reflection.
Habebe rank	Mon Jan 10 09:55:21 2022 While I think it's only making things worse that they censored this, his expertise isn't on psychological disorders. MSM is shit though, spewing fake news daily.
jergul rank	Mon Jan 10 10:10:07 2022 CC "Not a thread for Jergul, Seb, or Nim" What is up with safe spaces for yourself in this forum? Surely you should know better?
jergul rank	Mon Jan 10 10:14:11 2022 To save you all the trouble, let me summarize the content of any CC post: CC: "the middle-class has been destroyed. I will blame someone before I feed the cats".
Cherub Cow rank	Mon Jan 10 10:24:53 2022 [Habebe]: "While I think it's only making things worse that they censored this, his expertise isn't on psychological disorders." Malone or Desmet? Malone cited Desmet, and Desmet is a Professor of Clinical Psychology at Ghent University in Belgium. Desmet was effectively citing Jung, founder of analytical psychology. [Habebe]: "MSM is shit though, spewing fake news daily." Definitely. It's impressive that AP was so quick to get a few "experts" to denounce Desmet despite not even having time to look into his claims. I'd especially like to see the leading/loaded questions that they likely gave in order to coax those answers, since Desmet's claims are not fringe theory: this is nearly a century of psychological understanding regarding social psychology and group behavior. AP is effectively claiming that propaganda has no effect on anyone.
jergul rank	Mon Jan 10 10:49:06 2022 Also, pure projection again. Actual mass psychosis (not unlike the Chinese cultural revolution) in the form of MAGA being cloaked by whataboutism on the Rogan show. Yay. You are the smartest cat lady evah.
Habebe rank	Mon Jan 10 10:54:40 2022 Jergul seems unusually , Well...catty.
jergul rank	Mon Jan 10 11:00:17 2022 It is an interesting topic. We are all indoctrinated to know certain things. Like fire will burn you, or that washing hands or going to school is important. The question is when does indoctrination become mass psychosis? The first part (mass) is easy. A significant portion of a given population. Psycosis. Now what is that? "a severe mental disorder in which thought and emotions are so impaired that contact is lost with external reality" Now lets see. Does believing in common ideas on combating covid-19 demonstrate contact lost with external reality? Nope. Does believing the election was stolen and the 6th of January insurrection upholding the constitution demonstrate contact lost with external reality? Yepp. Thank you for playing CC.
jergul rank	Mon Jan 10 11:03:41 2022 Habebe I have nothing against a cat. Thing is, cats should never outnumber humans in a household. It does weird things with the power dynamics and mental well-being of the humans when it happens.
Cherub Cow rank	Mon Jan 10 12:00:57 2022 [Habebe]: "Jergul seems unusually , Well...catty." Yeah. He might be feeling dismantled from the other thread. He'll tucker himself out eventually.
jergul rank	Mon Jan 10 12:36:53 2022 I doubt it. Mocking the freedumbvolution never gets old.
Habebe rank	Mon Jan 10 12:59:15 2022 Considering how bad our media is I couldn't imagine Jerguls local channels.
murder rank	Mon Jan 10 14:44:11 2022 People in a cult that encourages drunk driving pretending that others are crazy.
Habebe rank	Mon Jan 10 14:49:40 2022 Encourage drunk driving over drunk walking?
Cherub Cow rank	Mon Jan 10 15:40:15 2022 [murder]: "People in a cult that encourages drunk driving pretending that others are crazy." If you can look at comments under r/SelfAwareWolves and r/Politics, Twitter comments under left-wing propaganda, and Imgur without seeing a mental health crisis, then you might also need to go outside a little bit more. Chew some valerian root and get more exercise. .. [Habebe]: "Considering how bad our media is I couldn't imagine Jerguls local channels." It's probably just non-stop intersectional focus groups telling the local population to give up their resources and kill themselves ;)
jergul rank	Mon Jan 10 15:49:46 2022 We are not doing a weak-assed emulation of your country en route to disaster CC. We decided long ago that we wanted a strong and vibrant middle class and we made it so.
murder rank	Mon Jan 10 16:10:28 2022 "If you can look at comments under r/SelfAwareWolves and r/Politics, Twitter comments under left-wing propaganda, and Imgur without seeing a mental health crisis ..." I see a mental health crisis every time I deal with a anti-maskers and people that insist that they should be allowed to do whatever the fuck they want because they are unlikely to be harmed personally. In any rational society those people would be culled since they are an active deadly threat to the herd. Unfortunately most of the non-assholes in society feel that would diminish their humanity ... so the assholes are allowed to continue living and reproducing and raising rotten kids in their own image.
Cherub Cow rank	Mon Jan 10 16:21:12 2022 [murder]: "In any rational society those people would be culled since they are an active deadly threat to the herd ... In any rational society those people would be culled" Calling for eugenics and/or genocide of a political group... sounds.. mentally healthy. Do you often consider the strength of your malicious impulses? Do you wonder why you hate an entire group so much? Do you find that you directly interact with that entire group in real life, or do you find yourself scaling up from small examples in your day-to-day life that you made overly significant based on social media descriptions with which you agreed? (I.e., social media descriptions fed to you perhaps by hate-filled web pages.)
murder rank	Mon Jan 10 16:42:16 2022 "Do you wonder why you hate an entire group so much?" About as often as I wonder why I don't want to live in filth. "Calling for eugenics and/or genocide of a political group... sounds.. mentally healthy." If wolves invade your town, you shoot them.
jergul rank	Mon Jan 10 16:42:25 2022 The unclean should be purged is a hardwired part of our evolutionary past. It is perfectly natural and perhaps even rational to feel disgusted by what might infect us. Psychosis requires a detachment from objective reality. A test that only certain freedumblican Trumptards systematically pass.
Cherub Cow rank	Tue Jan 11 07:42:08 2022 [murder]: "If wolves invade your town, you shoot them." Do you often find yourself referring to your perceived enemies as animals of some type? Have you responded in agreement to the "plague rats" propaganda? Do you feel that your enemy is "filth", like the Jew was "filth" and a "rat" to WWII Germany? Do you feel that your tribal group is thus the superior group — the "clean" group?
murder rank	Tue Jan 11 07:57:36 2022 "Do you often find yourself referring to your perceived enemies as animals of some type?" No I generally like animals. "Do you feel that your enemy is "filth", like the Jew was "filth"" Yes. no need to restrict it to Germany. "Do you feel that your tribal group is thus the superior group ..." I don't have a tribal group.
Cherub Cow rank	Tue Jan 11 08:11:23 2022 [CC]: "Do you feel that your enemy is "filth", like the Jew was "filth"" [murder]: "Yes. no need to restrict it to Germany." Fascinating. Well, this cuts to the heart of your ideology. Murderers and sociopaths often find homes within collectivist tides where they can satisfy their bloodlust with the backing of an immoral mob. Dehumanizing enemies with words such as "filth" and "wolves" is just a semantic means of accomplishing the pre-existent want of extrajudicial killings and a "[culling]". The totalitarians will indeed appreciate your contributions.
jergul rank	Tue Jan 11 10:16:54 2022 CC Again, a desire to remove the unclean from our proximity is hardwired. Your cats, for example, will paw at perceived filth by their food bowl, and will preferentially drink only running water as a precaution against contamination. The dehumanizing picture is instinctively there. That murder attributes the unclear animal characteristics is actually humanizing them. The group murder is targeting are those that refuse to follow CDC guidelines on disease control and are thus quite literally dirty from a disease control standpoint. He rationally views them as threats and in your society, you are allowed to respond to threats with deadly force. Its part of your culture, stupid. The defining characteristic here is dirty/unclean/dangerous. That the dirty/unclean/dangerous are the tribe you identify with is entirely secondary, though of course not coincidental. To establish this is a psychosis, you would need to demonstrate a detachment from reality. This you have not done.
jergul rank	Tue Jan 11 10:26:53 2022 The flaw in your analogy is of course that the Yiddish population of Europe was in no way unclean, dirty or dangerous. Irrational social constructs completely detached from reality were created and used to fuel the holocaust. Thus a manufactured psychosis that gained widespread following = a manufactured mass psychosis.
jergul rank	Tue Jan 11 10:29:35 2022 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Mallon
jergul rank	Tue Jan 11 10:42:44 2022 Mallon infected scores over the course of 12 years in total. 5 died. A person not following CDC guidelines will infect 8-10 people every 6 months (omnicron variant - new data that suggests vaccination/previous disease only provides protection from serious illness, not from transmission. For a grand total of 200 over 12 years - of which 6 will die statistically. Everyone of the dirty/unclean/dangerous group is a worse threat to public health than Typhoid Mary was. What is your position on her forced quarantine?
murder rank	Tue Jan 11 13:30:57 2022 "Murderers and sociopaths often find homes within collectivist tides where they can satisfy their bloodlust with the backing of an immoral mob." That's nice. But only one of us is actively killing people ... or trying to.
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