Utopia Talk / Politics / Assault weapons legal in Sweden

Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Jun 30 05:48:00 I am looking at buying a Ruger 10/22 takedown for practice and small game hunting and something to teach me boys the art of shooting at things and stuff. You can already mod this gun (legally) to look like a mass assault weapon of war. But it gets better, apparently from the 1st of august according Naturvvårdsverket, Swedish EPA, the RUGER SFAR AR-10 20" 7,62 /.308 WIN see it here https://scr.nu/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_200_306&products_id=1512&zenid=7or3jb9liu2n7l4lnsth4ebio4hfuv5n and several other AR 15 style weapons will be open for people with a hunting license :-) Open question is if the police, who handle the issuing of weapon licenses in Sweden, will actually approve them based on a hunting license. Wouldn't be the first time the Swedish EPA approves guns, to then have the license denied by the police. But technically and based on praxis it shouldn't be a problem, semi-auto is already available for hunting, as long as the magazine doesn't hold more than 5 rounds (plus 1 in chamber). There has been some court cases where the police denied, then got sued and *lost* their objections over foldable stock + pistol grip. Though those were repeaters like this one: http://www.jakt.se/tikka-t3x-tac-a1 Police authority willing, this settles my choice for moose/zombieapocalypse rifle.
murder Member	Fri Jun 30 06:05:28 I wonder what the police could possibly be worried about.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Jun 30 06:46:34 murder Nothing that is grounded in data, facts or any kind of good reasoning. No one should care what gear Swedish hunters have, other than those that are of a custodial and environmental nature and regulated. Like magazine capacity (during hunting) and ban against drones.
Paramount Member	Fri Jun 30 06:48:35 What's the point with an AR-10 if we are still not able to carry it openly on our way to the mall or the grocery store?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Jun 30 06:57:02 That would be optimal right, but the law is the law. You can ride around with it in a case on your back on a motorcycle though. Because technically you are transporting it in a vehicle. That is the closest we get in Sweden :P
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Jun 30 07:03:48 But I also found an interesting sport activity, dynamic shooting. You run around and LARP SWAT team. Obviously very interesting, but getting into a shooting club is a bitch and unlike a hunter license, which is mine til I die or commit serious criminal offenses, you have to maintain the sporting license by competing and being active in the club. Definitely fun to run around a shoot terrorist cardboard cutouts, we'll see how it goes. If you come from some kind of martial arts background and a fascination with war, the engineering of war and the activity of violence, dynamic shooting would be the final destination. Until you can start your own nuclear weapons program.
Paramount Member	Fri Jun 30 07:13:30 ” You can ride around with it in a case on your back on a motorcycle though. Because technically you are transporting it in a vehicle” So you can have your AR-10 in a case on your back and park your car outside a synagouge for an example?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Jun 30 07:21:09 Yes, but you need to dismantle the vital part (bolt or barrel) and bring it with you. That or a weapon lock.
Paramount Member	Fri Jun 30 07:21:43 Who has decided to allow automatic rifles for hunting? Aren’t hunters able to hunt and kill game with a regular hunting rifle?
Average Ameriacn Member	Fri Jun 30 07:28:12 Good to see that you prepare yourself for the Russian invasion.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Jun 30 08:08:50 Paramount Let me see, things are illegal until some authority tells you it is legal? That is not how laws work you tyranny worshiping sheep. What happened is that no one decided to make semi-automatic rifles illegal for hunting. In other words, they have always been legal, but they usually look like this: https://www.pnjakt.se/art/browning-bar-mk3-fluted-composite-hc-4.php Looks different, projects death with the same effectiveness and efficiency. Our gun laws are stringent and require effort and work to achieve and maintain. Legal weapons are rarely, hunting weapons even less, involved in crimes outside the scope of hunting or gun laws. Don't import america concerns to Sweden. Your people have already imported their history of gang crimes, cease and desist.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Jul 19 09:05:17 For the benefit of Paramount. There are 1 900 000 weapons licenses in Sweden. A study showed that between 2000-2010 there were approximately 1-2 serious criminal offence are committed each year with a weapon that is of legal origin, which is virtually zero or 0.000001% of legal weapons each year. http://www...rslag-praglat-av-eus-okunskap/
jergul large member	Fri Jul 21 12:17:15 "But I also found an interesting sport activity, dynamic shooting. You run around and LARP SWAT team" I know of someone who does that and he shared videos. Individual runs, so not exactly SWAT Teams. My first major purchase was a 3.5 Kw wood chipper. Because reasons. At my zombie apocolypse retreat.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Jul 21 12:37:16 Well if you need to chip wood, wood chippers do the job! My Ruger 10/22 take down came in the mail today. Police process went very fast, was expecting 4 weeks, but it was more like 4 days. Took a run past the local gun store. Bought ammo and the guy talked me out of buying an expensive Zeiss or Swarovski scope, for a 0.22LR. He was like, I have never seen anyone with that kind of scope on a 22, but hey I haven’t seen everything! I settled for cheapo scope. Great survival rifle and really portable as you can easily break it into two pieces.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Jul 21 12:53:34 You are right LARPing John Wick is more appropriate.
jergul large member	Fri Jul 21 13:42:02 I am the proud owner of 3.5 boxes of .22 ammo that I found in the shed. So I guess I better follow in your footsteps and get the hunting lisence less they go to waste.
jergul large member	Fri Jul 21 13:42:44 license*
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Jul 21 13:47:02 http://ruger.com/products/1022Takedown/specSheets/21182.html May I recommend the Ruger 10/22 Take Down. With the above mod you can pack it together almost like a folding chair. And the stock has room for ammo or 3 magazines. Great for opportunistic small game hunting while you are hiking your land! What is there to not like?
jergul large member	Fri Jul 21 14:11:39 Let me read the box... They are smokeless, hollow point. From the Lapua cartridge factory, Finland. The box looks kind of old. 1970s at the latest.
jergul large member	Fri Jul 21 14:12:30 Long rifle was also mentioned.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Jul 21 16:44:19 0.22LR (long rifle), that's it. Cool that they mention "smokeless", since all gunpowder these days used in bullets are smokeless. That's how you know it is old :)
jergul large member	Sat Jul 22 17:04:48 Yes! And also that the batch number was blue print stamp pad instead of the newfangled mordern way of keeping track of such things :)
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Jul 22 17:37:52 Hand stamped??
jergul large member	Wed Jul 26 16:09:40 Hand stamped.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Aug 01 13:37:25 You need to save it :) Time flies and 1/8 is here. I just pressed the apply button to the Police for an Ruger SFAR .308/7,62. I am cautiously optimistic, though I don’t forsee me being the one to take a case through the courta to settle this. If I am denied I will settle for a Browing Bar MK3 or Match. Given that I am not a large person, I rather have a light and nible rifle and the Ruger AR 10 is a ”small frame” (SF) rifle, with dimension closer to an AR 15. So denying us this weapon, makes no sense.
jergul large member	Wed Aug 02 14:04:16 I bought a one-handed chain saw. Safety pointy finger requires as the thing is quite trigger happy. Not a gun, but suited for cutting down small trees. Very fun. High productive zoom zoom.
Habebe Member	Wed Aug 09 00:29:39 AR-12. https://youtu.be/9iS6iWazl7w
Habebe Member	Wed Aug 09 00:29:56 http://youtu.be/9iS6iWazl7w
Habebe Member	Wed Aug 09 00:36:55 Or if your country is more civilized you can add an attachment called a hellfire trigger. Democrats hate freedom, so they try to write laws against purely semi-automatic firearms (very unconstitutional) Basically as fast as you can pull the trigger it shoots, but one shot per trigger pull. In a normal gun this allows people with insane finger dexterity to fire 750 rounds per minute or a normal person maybe up to 160-200 rounds per minute. My state has no regulations regarding munitions capacity, so in theory I couldnrignit to belt fed and cut down oaks.
Habebe Member	Wed Aug 09 00:37:06 http://youtu.be/L2DMQ85zKMo
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Aug 09 11:00:55 The AR 12 is gas operated, so that answers the question I asked of you on X, thanks. The choices I had narrowed down to was Benelli M3 (inertia) or M4 (gas). I guess the one cool thing with the M3 (besides being much cheaper) is that with a click and twist, it turns into a pump action. Which is good for really light loads or whatever that refuses to cycle properly. Though the M4 is my original pick. The AR 12's doesn't exist in Sweden. Yet anyway :) The original question if anyone cares to cast their vote: which kind of semi auto shotgun gas operated or inertia operated, do you think would be simpler to maintain and fix, from a survivor doomsday preping scenario? My intuition tells me the inertia operated rifle is an easier construction. I may be overthinking the wrong aspect, like the barrel may need to change before the reloading mechanism breaks in either rifle.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Aug 14 07:31:29 Sweden officially has 20% more freedom fries. AR 10 and 15 licenses are just raining down for hunting. What a great time to be alive. *shoots in the air* Yeehaw-o-akbar!
Habebe Member	Mon Aug 14 08:30:43 AR's really are the go to firearms. 1. Cheap, $300 gets you a kit. 2. Super customizable, probably the most customizable gun due to so many manufacturers offering so many attachments and such. 3. Effective, they work, and work well. Other than AK's there probably isn't a more used gun world wide, although both AK and AR are basically types instead of models. That did the AR beats an AK at almost every measurable manner except maybe cost, because communists have no money.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Aug 14 08:58:35 It is indeed a nice piece of hardware. I know a lot of precision nerds complain about their accuracy beyond 100 yards, fair enough, precision sniper rifles are not semi-auto, but this is not an issue for me, I am not shooting at things further away than 80-100 yards. So I consider it a more versatile rifle suitable for all big game. Specifically pigs is where a semi auto comes in handy, according to veteran hunters. The pigs like to charge you after the first shot :) so a quick follow up is valuable.
Habebe Member	Mon Aug 14 09:19:27 Nimatzo, Ah, the glories of customization! "Utah precision" offers a bolt action variant that has better long distance accuracy.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Aug 14 09:34:49 I have heard the name. I understand you can spend far more money refitting and customizing these things than they cost out if the store :-) that will have to wait, first order of business is a good red dot and scope. Jesus christ, I have to hunt and eat aloooooot of moose to make this “worth” the money I have and will thrown into all the rifles and optics, it will be well over 12k USD. Like we have to eat moose 3 times a day, 4 times on sundays. 365 days a year. lol :-)
Habebe Member	Mon Aug 14 09:50:47 Good choice, red dot is better than laser. With laser, any small thing that gets in the way throws it off. Made that mistake hunting, a small leaf will bounce it back.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Aug 15 13:33:07 For whatever reason you can’t use laser for hunting here. I fail to see the rational behind it though. There is a balance in to be had in hunting between firing precise shots that killa the prey with as little suffering as possible, lasers wouls aid in this. The other pillar is to hold back the technology so you don’t kill everything, this is achieved for instance by limiting mag size during hunting, say during a goose hunt, you will only be ably to take 3 shots, per hunter, so some of flock will get away. Given that, I don’t understand why lasers are not kosher, it would only increase precision and ultimately decrease suffering, no effect on quantity of prey. Dogs are a huge part of hunting in Sweden, it is actually regulated and required for most hunting that you can bring a search dog to find wounded animals that hide. How is hunting regulated where you live?
williamthebastard Member	Sat Mar 29 09:59:23 "You can already mod this gun (legally) to look like a mass assault weapon of war." survivor doomsday preping scenario several other AR 15 style weapons will be open for people with a hunting license :-)" Oh dear, the AR15 sniper rifle and "mass assault weapons of war" arent really intended for hunting rabbits. Planning to hunt women with your "mass assault weapon of war", Incel Boi?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Mar 29 11:05:26 Still working to muster the courage to make an anonymous phone call ey? Keep working at it buddy. One day.
williamthebastard Member	Sat Mar 29 11:08:26 "Kick her in the stomach and stomp on her head" Nimatzo explaining how to break up with women on his dating site
williamthebastard Member	Sat Mar 29 11:16:27 When he's not posting a long narcisstic rant about how he's got game and women fall head over heels for him :D
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Mar 29 11:39:50 Jergul Did you ever buy a rifle for that ammo?
jergul large member	Sat Mar 29 11:44:48 No. Hunting licence courses here prime confirmation presents for 14 year olds. I visualized myself in that class and decided to put it off for a bit. Perhaps this August.
williamthebastard Member	Sat Mar 29 11:47:46 "it quickly became obvious that the girls expectations were not met so she ended up spending preatty much 90% of the night with me. I can say that I preatty much did everything right with her, and I did so without even thinking. The next morning my friend talks to me and goes "Dude wtf did you do last night with her? It turns out I made such an impression on her she went on that online community they all met on and started talking about me. Couldnt keep it quite so now everyone on the said site knows she is kinda in love. She is a rather popular girl, both on the site and IRL in our town. She went and spread all these wonderful things about me, my looks, etc. The above is just as much of a blessing as it is a curse, it seem that most women I get envolved with get strong emotions for me either right away or very soon after we meet" Etc lol... Having seen your photo, your cringy bragging about women spreading wonderful things about your looks is a hilarious lie. Anyway, I guess we should be thankful that your tips for how to break up with women didnt involve dumping them handcuffed in the forest, counting to 5 and then hunting them with a mass assault weapon of war AR15 sniper rifle
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Mar 29 11:59:57 I may have misused the word ”meltdown” in past.
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