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Rugian
Member Mon Sep 11 01:49:01
New Mexico governor bans concealed, open gun carry in Bernalillo County

Carrying a loaded firearm in public in New Mexico's most-populous county is now enough for police to issue a fine worth thousands of dollars.

Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham, citing recent shootings, declared a public health emergency centered on gun violence. The executive order signed Friday includes an "action plan" that bans carrying a loaded weapon off of private property in Bernalillo County, which includes Albuquerque.

The governor's spokeswoman told multiple news outlets that violators of her new order will be subject to a civil fine of $5,000.

"No constitutional right, including my oath in my view, is intended to be absolute," Lujan Grisham said in a news conference Friday evening attended by KOV4.

When asked by a reporter if she thought criminals would adhere to her order to disarm, the governor said, "Uh, no."

Lujan Grisham noted the recent shooting deaths of a 13-year-old girl July 28, a five-year-old girl August 14, and an 11-year-old boy September 6. The county had seen two separate mass shootings earlier this year.

Bernalillo County Sheriff John Allen said in a release that he has doubts about the legality of the governor's order and law enforcement's ability to carry it out.

"I have reservations regarding this order," he said in a statement. "While I understand and appreciate the urgency, the temporary ban challenges the foundation of our Constitution, which I swore an oath to uphold. I am wary of placing my deputies in positions that could lead to civil liability conflicts, as well as the potential risks posed by prohibiting law-abiding citizens from their constitutional right to self-defense."

http://kio...en-gun-carry-bernalillo-county

Cherub Cow
Member Mon Sep 11 05:26:18
On the plus side, there was an armed protest in Albuquerque on September 10th where apparently no police cited anyone for carrying:
http://twitter.com/DrewHLive/status/1701073441976459683
(I.e., her order may not be enforced.)

On the negative side, police may issue citations passive-aggressively by tracking identities of the protestors back to their individual homes in the coming weeks.

But on the plus side, the governor may be kicked out of office and her order voided?

Rugian
Member Mon Sep 11 05:53:29
"the governor may be kicked out of office"

Democrats control 64% of the state house and senate...so no, that's not happening.

Rugian
Member Mon Sep 11 06:07:44
And whether or not this particular order is enforced by the police, the intent seems to be to normalize the idea that Democratic governor's can suspend constitutional rights via public emergency declarations.

These people are going all-in with the authoritarianism.

Dukhat
Member Mon Sep 11 07:01:45
There is no right to open carry dumbasses.

Rugian
Member Mon Sep 11 07:19:37
Dukhat as usual is being a fuckhead retard. The governor banned ALL types of carry, which is wildly unconstitutional.

http://en....tol_Association,_Inc._v._Bruen

Cherub Cow
Member Mon Sep 11 08:08:43
"Democrats control 64% of the state house and senate...so no, that's not happening."

Oof. :/
I'd appeal to typical legal remedies, but anarcho-tyranny doesn't really have those. It's total power flex.

"And whether or not this particular order is enforced by the police, the intent seems to be to normalize the idea that Democratic governor's can suspend constitutional rights via public emergency declarations."

Seems so. Petty tyrants testing the limits of what they can get away with. People have also been saying that the DNC has no shame about more COVID lockdowns or new "climate" lockdowns to excuse mass mail-in ballots again. 10 years ago they'd be more careful about repeating the same tricks, but current DNC doesn't give a shit. They think they're close enough to total power that they don't need the sex-party masks anymore.

Forwyn
Member Mon Sep 11 20:57:48
Right on cue

Dukhat
Member Sat Sep 09 10:04:53
Everyday foreskin proves he’s another mouth-breathing, autocrat-loving Republican,

Forwyn
Member Sat Sep 09 20:59:23
"autocrat-loving"

Cuckhat probably cheering on the hysterical menopausal bitch from NM lol

Rugian
Member Mon Sep 11 21:23:16
New Mexico governor’s gun ban draws bipartisan backlash

Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham's suspension of concealed and open carry gun rights in the Albuquerque area ignited opposition from Democrats and Republicans alike.

Sept. 11, 2023, 7:28 PM EDT
By Zoë Richards
New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham is facing harsh criticism from both sides of the aisle over her recently issued order suspending certain gun rights in Albuquerque and its surrounding county.

Lujan Grisham, a Democrat, on Friday announced a 30-day ban on the right to carry open or concealed firearms in public in an effort to curb gun violence and illegal drug use in Albuquerque and Bernalillo County. State police were tasked with enforcing the order, which carried fines for violations.

The announcement prompted a string of lawsuits and ignited opposition from Democrats and Republicans alike.

Bernalillo County Sheriff John Allen, a Democrat, said Monday he would not enforce the ban, which he called "unconstitutional."

“This order will not do anything to curb gun violence other than punish law-abiding citizens from their constitutional right to self-defense," Allen said at a news conference.

"It’s unconstitutional. So there’s no way we could enforce that order," he added.

Police data shows that through Friday there were 76 homicide victims in Albuquerque, the state’s largest city.

“I don’t need a lecture on constitutionality from Sheriff Allen: what I need is action," Lujan Grisham said in a statement in response to a request for comment.

"We’ve passed common-sense gun legislation, including red flag laws, domestic violence protections, a ban on straw purchases, and safe storage laws; dedicated hundreds of millions of dollars to a fund specifically to help law enforcement hire and retain officers; increased penalties for violent offenders and provided massive support to intervention programs," she added. "We’ve given you the tools, Sheriff Allen — now stop being squeamish about using them. I will not back down from doing what’s right and I will always put the safety of the people of New Mexico first.”

New Mexico was listed in 2021 among the top three states with the highest firearm mortality rates, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The state that year had a firearm-related death rate of 27.8 deaths per 100,000 people, following Louisiana’s 29.1 and Mississippi’s 33.9.

Rep. Ted Lieu, D-Calif., a member of the Congressional Task Force on Gun Violence Prevention, said that while he supported gun safety laws, Lujan Grisham's order violated the Constitution.

"There is no such thing as a state public health emergency exception to the U.S. Constitution," Lieu wrote on X, formerly known as Twitter.

Lieu also referred to a Supreme Court decision last year that curtailed efforts to restrict gun rights by largely allowing the carrying of firearms in public.

"Whether or not we agree with it, the Supreme Court’s decisions regarding the Constitution are the law of the land," he added.

Lujan Grisham responded on X: "Hey Ted, conceal and open carry are state laws that I have jurisdiction over."

Republican state Reps. Stefani Lord and John Block blasted the order, calling for Lujan Grisham’s impeachment in a statement over the weekend.

“I have a newsflash for the Governor: The Second Amendment is an absolute right and so is my authority to impeach you for violating your oath to New Mexico and the United States,” Lord said.

Democratic state Sen. Joe Cervantes urged Lujan Grisham to rescind the order, arguing in a statement that an "unconstitutional approach undermines the important collaboration gun issues deserve, and the important role of a Governor to lead genuine reforms."

Lujan Grisham has maintained that she has jurisdiction over state conceal and open carry laws while highlighting “unconscionable” gun-related deaths.

“When we’re afraid to be in crowds, to take our kids to school — when our very right to exist is threatened by the prospect of violence at every turn — something is wrong,” she said in a statement. “I’m not going to stop fighting for public safety until everyone is safe. Period.”

http://www...bipartisan-backlash-rcna104500

You know, as the nobody governor of some irrelevant state, she's really done a fantastic job of making me hate her over the past 48 hours.

obaminated
Member Mon Sep 11 22:45:54
What she wants to do is unconstitutional and likely will see her impeached for it. But does she have a point, is the majority of the homicides in the Albuquerque area don't via legally owned firearms? It seems like a pretty odd hill to die on if all these murders are done by black market guns and she wants to punish citizens who have legally owned guns.

murder
Member Tue Sep 12 14:24:46

Where do black market guns come from?

obaminated
Member Tue Sep 12 14:48:12
I know what you are going to argue and it's too stupid to even troll around with.

murder
Member Tue Sep 12 14:56:10

I'm just asking questions. Also is the "black market" the one just down the street from the criminal underground?

murder
Member Tue Sep 12 14:57:57

90% of black market weapons started out perfectly legal in the US before they were stolen.

Rugian
Member Tue Sep 12 15:03:40
*mind blown*

Oh my god I never realized that.

obaminated
Member Tue Sep 12 15:27:24
So... legal guns are taken illegally by criminals and used in criminal acts? So outlawing law abiding citizens from carrying legal obtained and licensed guns doesn't actually effect criminal behavior?

This is why I knew your argument was too stupid to even troll with.

Forwyn
Member Tue Sep 12 16:45:52
"stolen"

And murder thinks he made a point.

A murder-esque proposal that addresses the issue would be to institute the death penalty for any crime committed with a stolen gun.

murder
Member Tue Sep 12 18:08:36

Oh hey look ...

http://www...ennsylvania-tuesday/index.html

murder
Member Tue Sep 12 18:20:14

"So outlawing law abiding citizens from carrying legal obtained and licensed guns doesn't actually effect criminal behavior?"

Most criminals wouldn't have guns. That's an effect.

murder
Member Tue Sep 12 18:32:44

"A murder-esque proposal that addresses the issue would be to institute the death penalty for any crime committed with a stolen gun."

OK ... and the irresponsible gun owner is barred from owning or possessing a firearm for life.

obaminated
Member Tue Sep 12 18:44:07
"Criminals wouldn't have guns if guns didn't exist" is basically murder's brilliant position.

murder
Member Tue Sep 12 18:51:47

My proposition is that having a tiny peen shouldn't be sufficient cause to qualify you to own a gun.

obaminated
Member Tue Sep 12 19:49:11
An attention whore at UP... a sad sight to behold.

kargen
Member Tue Sep 12 19:59:19
""Criminals wouldn't have guns if guns didn't exist" is basically murder's brilliant position."

It isn't even that good. maybe if he made the argument 150 years ago. He is arguing if you take legal guns away all those illegal guns will disappear.
The guns are already out there. No getting them back now. And if they were not available to steal in the US we would see them flowing across the border. It is easier to steal a gun but it isn't the only way to get one illegally.

murder
Member Wed Sep 13 05:51:11

"The guns are already out there. No getting them back now."

Not with that defeatist attitude.

But few people are arguing to do away with guns. Just that everyone shouldn't be entitled to own one, or a dozen, or a hundred of them.

The vast majority of Americans just want to keep guns out of the hands of radicals, and crazies, and stupids, and abusers, and yes ... even criminals.

The vast majority of us just want responsible gun owners to actually be responsible and be held responsible when they don't own their guns responsibly. It is not an infringement to require gun owners to secure their weapons so that they are not easily stolen or easily accessed by children or others who weren't meant to use them.

The vast majority of us just want to do away with the "anything goes" attitude.

It is also not unreasonable for every bullet fired to be traceable back to its purchaser, because while you may have the right to keep and bear arms, you do not have the right to get away with using them in the commission of a crime.

patom
Member Wed Sep 13 09:11:28
"It is also not unreasonable for every bullet fired to be traceable back to its purchaser, because while you may have the right to keep and bear arms, you do not have the right to get away with using them in the commission of a crime."

Well damn. I thought per the right wingers that Obama had put tracers on all bullets.

Dukhat
Member Thu Sep 14 07:27:25
Our shitty gun culture is being exported to other countries and exploding their murder rate. Much of this is domestic abuse and aimed at women and children and the vulnerable. Its mostly young men who blame the world doing the killing even overseas.

Rugian
Member Thu Sep 14 07:39:39
"Our"

Dukhat you barely qualify as an American based on your authoritarian CCP-style belief system. STFU with this "we" drivel.

Cherub Cow
Member Sat Sep 16 20:33:44
[murder]: "It is not an infringement to require gun owners to secure their weapons so that they are not easily stolen or easily accessed by children or others who weren't meant to use them."

It is, actually. The "[keep your weapons locked]" lie is not about protecting children from some incredibly rare '90s "90210" case of some kid finding his dad's gun and shooting himself in the face ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS9C6-WFFDY ). It is designed to infringe. The goal is to give power to the State, which can count on kicking a door down while law-abiding gun owners have to wake up and scramble to unlock and load their weapons while the State already has a finger on the trigger.

If you do not believe this, ask if it's acceptable for a gun owner with his weapons locked in a safe to also have a double-row of Infernal Machines embedded in the drywall around the home entrance with a trip-switch that activates when it detects police boots. "[You have a 'loycense' for that booby-trap?]"

[murder]: "It is also not unreasonable for every bullet fired to be traceable back to its purchaser, because while you may have the right to keep and bear arms, you do not have the right to get away with using them in the commission of a crime."

Insane bullshit. This goes right to gun-registration illogic. If bullets were to become traceable, that means requiring a registry which links firearms and ammunition directly to government authorities. This allows commie-fucks to look at those registries to target sovereign citizens.

[murder]: "The vast majority of Americans just want to keep guns out of the hands of radicals, and crazies, and stupids, and abusers, and yes ... even criminals."

I like how murder couldn't help but mix in foot-in-door semantic traps into his list. Like, many people might take the bait and say, "[Well, sure, crazy people and criminals probably shouldn't have access to weapons]," but the dis-ingenuousness of even that is exposed where murder says, "radicals ... stupids ... abusers."

Because what is a "radical", a "stupid" person, or an "abuser" to a leftist psychopath?
• "Radical" basically just means that he would gladly disarm his political enemies, like a good Marxist would.
• "Stupid" is how the left codes the low-class "rednecks" who live away from the state in rural areas.
• "Abuser" is the myth of the wife-beater who could be disarmed entirely by an emotional woman's words.

Nearly every single political opinion that murder has is a danger to the sovereignty of the nation under whose blanket he sleeps. He is why cowards should not be allowed to vote.

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Rugian Member	Mon Sep 11 01:49:01 New Mexico governor bans concealed, open gun carry in Bernalillo County Carrying a loaded firearm in public in New Mexico's most-populous county is now enough for police to issue a fine worth thousands of dollars. Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham, citing recent shootings, declared a public health emergency centered on gun violence. The executive order signed Friday includes an "action plan" that bans carrying a loaded weapon off of private property in Bernalillo County, which includes Albuquerque. The governor's spokeswoman told multiple news outlets that violators of her new order will be subject to a civil fine of $5,000. "No constitutional right, including my oath in my view, is intended to be absolute," Lujan Grisham said in a news conference Friday evening attended by KOV4. When asked by a reporter if she thought criminals would adhere to her order to disarm, the governor said, "Uh, no." Lujan Grisham noted the recent shooting deaths of a 13-year-old girl July 28, a five-year-old girl August 14, and an 11-year-old boy September 6. The county had seen two separate mass shootings earlier this year. Bernalillo County Sheriff John Allen said in a release that he has doubts about the legality of the governor's order and law enforcement's ability to carry it out. "I have reservations regarding this order," he said in a statement. "While I understand and appreciate the urgency, the temporary ban challenges the foundation of our Constitution, which I swore an oath to uphold. I am wary of placing my deputies in positions that could lead to civil liability conflicts, as well as the potential risks posed by prohibiting law-abiding citizens from their constitutional right to self-defense." http://kio...en-gun-carry-bernalillo-county
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Sep 11 05:26:18 On the plus side, there was an armed protest in Albuquerque on September 10th where apparently no police cited anyone for carrying: http://twitter.com/DrewHLive/status/1701073441976459683 (I.e., her order may not be enforced.) On the negative side, police may issue citations passive-aggressively by tracking identities of the protestors back to their individual homes in the coming weeks. But on the plus side, the governor may be kicked out of office and her order voided?
Rugian Member	Mon Sep 11 05:53:29 "the governor may be kicked out of office" Democrats control 64% of the state house and senate...so no, that's not happening.
Rugian Member	Mon Sep 11 06:07:44 And whether or not this particular order is enforced by the police, the intent seems to be to normalize the idea that Democratic governor's can suspend constitutional rights via public emergency declarations. These people are going all-in with the authoritarianism.
Dukhat Member	Mon Sep 11 07:01:45 There is no right to open carry dumbasses.
Rugian Member	Mon Sep 11 07:19:37 Dukhat as usual is being a fuckhead retard. The governor banned ALL types of carry, which is wildly unconstitutional. http://en....tol_Association,_Inc._v._Bruen
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Sep 11 08:08:43 "Democrats control 64% of the state house and senate...so no, that's not happening." Oof. :/ I'd appeal to typical legal remedies, but anarcho-tyranny doesn't really have those. It's total power flex. "And whether or not this particular order is enforced by the police, the intent seems to be to normalize the idea that Democratic governor's can suspend constitutional rights via public emergency declarations." Seems so. Petty tyrants testing the limits of what they can get away with. People have also been saying that the DNC has no shame about more COVID lockdowns or new "climate" lockdowns to excuse mass mail-in ballots again. 10 years ago they'd be more careful about repeating the same tricks, but current DNC doesn't give a shit. They think they're close enough to total power that they don't need the sex-party masks anymore.
Forwyn Member	Mon Sep 11 20:57:48 Right on cue Dukhat Member Sat Sep 09 10:04:53 Everyday foreskin proves he’s another mouth-breathing, autocrat-loving Republican, Forwyn Member Sat Sep 09 20:59:23 "autocrat-loving" Cuckhat probably cheering on the hysterical menopausal bitch from NM lol
Rugian Member	Mon Sep 11 21:23:16 New Mexico governor’s gun ban draws bipartisan backlash Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham's suspension of concealed and open carry gun rights in the Albuquerque area ignited opposition from Democrats and Republicans alike. Sept. 11, 2023, 7:28 PM EDT By Zoë Richards New Mexico Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham is facing harsh criticism from both sides of the aisle over her recently issued order suspending certain gun rights in Albuquerque and its surrounding county. Lujan Grisham, a Democrat, on Friday announced a 30-day ban on the right to carry open or concealed firearms in public in an effort to curb gun violence and illegal drug use in Albuquerque and Bernalillo County. State police were tasked with enforcing the order, which carried fines for violations. The announcement prompted a string of lawsuits and ignited opposition from Democrats and Republicans alike. Bernalillo County Sheriff John Allen, a Democrat, said Monday he would not enforce the ban, which he called "unconstitutional." “This order will not do anything to curb gun violence other than punish law-abiding citizens from their constitutional right to self-defense," Allen said at a news conference. "It’s unconstitutional. So there’s no way we could enforce that order," he added. Police data shows that through Friday there were 76 homicide victims in Albuquerque, the state’s largest city. “I don’t need a lecture on constitutionality from Sheriff Allen: what I need is action," Lujan Grisham said in a statement in response to a request for comment. "We’ve passed common-sense gun legislation, including red flag laws, domestic violence protections, a ban on straw purchases, and safe storage laws; dedicated hundreds of millions of dollars to a fund specifically to help law enforcement hire and retain officers; increased penalties for violent offenders and provided massive support to intervention programs," she added. "We’ve given you the tools, Sheriff Allen — now stop being squeamish about using them. I will not back down from doing what’s right and I will always put the safety of the people of New Mexico first.” New Mexico was listed in 2021 among the top three states with the highest firearm mortality rates, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The state that year had a firearm-related death rate of 27.8 deaths per 100,000 people, following Louisiana’s 29.1 and Mississippi’s 33.9. Rep. Ted Lieu, D-Calif., a member of the Congressional Task Force on Gun Violence Prevention, said that while he supported gun safety laws, Lujan Grisham's order violated the Constitution. "There is no such thing as a state public health emergency exception to the U.S. Constitution," Lieu wrote on X, formerly known as Twitter. Lieu also referred to a Supreme Court decision last year that curtailed efforts to restrict gun rights by largely allowing the carrying of firearms in public. "Whether or not we agree with it, the Supreme Court’s decisions regarding the Constitution are the law of the land," he added. Lujan Grisham responded on X: "Hey Ted, conceal and open carry are state laws that I have jurisdiction over." Republican state Reps. Stefani Lord and John Block blasted the order, calling for Lujan Grisham’s impeachment in a statement over the weekend. “I have a newsflash for the Governor: The Second Amendment is an absolute right and so is my authority to impeach you for violating your oath to New Mexico and the United States,” Lord said. Democratic state Sen. Joe Cervantes urged Lujan Grisham to rescind the order, arguing in a statement that an "unconstitutional approach undermines the important collaboration gun issues deserve, and the important role of a Governor to lead genuine reforms." Lujan Grisham has maintained that she has jurisdiction over state conceal and open carry laws while highlighting “unconscionable” gun-related deaths. “When we’re afraid to be in crowds, to take our kids to school — when our very right to exist is threatened by the prospect of violence at every turn — something is wrong,” she said in a statement. “I’m not going to stop fighting for public safety until everyone is safe. Period.” http://www...bipartisan-backlash-rcna104500 You know, as the nobody governor of some irrelevant state, she's really done a fantastic job of making me hate her over the past 48 hours.
obaminated Member	Mon Sep 11 22:45:54 What she wants to do is unconstitutional and likely will see her impeached for it. But does she have a point, is the majority of the homicides in the Albuquerque area don't via legally owned firearms? It seems like a pretty odd hill to die on if all these murders are done by black market guns and she wants to punish citizens who have legally owned guns.
murder Member	Tue Sep 12 14:24:46 Where do black market guns come from?
obaminated Member	Tue Sep 12 14:48:12 I know what you are going to argue and it's too stupid to even troll around with.
murder Member	Tue Sep 12 14:56:10 I'm just asking questions. Also is the "black market" the one just down the street from the criminal underground?
murder Member	Tue Sep 12 14:57:57 90% of black market weapons started out perfectly legal in the US before they were stolen.
Rugian Member	Tue Sep 12 15:03:40 mind blown Oh my god I never realized that.
obaminated Member	Tue Sep 12 15:27:24 So... legal guns are taken illegally by criminals and used in criminal acts? So outlawing law abiding citizens from carrying legal obtained and licensed guns doesn't actually effect criminal behavior? This is why I knew your argument was too stupid to even troll with.
Forwyn Member	Tue Sep 12 16:45:52 "stolen" And murder thinks he made a point. A murder-esque proposal that addresses the issue would be to institute the death penalty for any crime committed with a stolen gun.
murder Member	Tue Sep 12 18:08:36 Oh hey look ... http://www...ennsylvania-tuesday/index.html
murder Member	Tue Sep 12 18:20:14 "So outlawing law abiding citizens from carrying legal obtained and licensed guns doesn't actually effect criminal behavior?" Most criminals wouldn't have guns. That's an effect.
murder Member	Tue Sep 12 18:32:44 "A murder-esque proposal that addresses the issue would be to institute the death penalty for any crime committed with a stolen gun." OK ... and the irresponsible gun owner is barred from owning or possessing a firearm for life.
obaminated Member	Tue Sep 12 18:44:07 "Criminals wouldn't have guns if guns didn't exist" is basically murder's brilliant position.
murder Member	Tue Sep 12 18:51:47 My proposition is that having a tiny peen shouldn't be sufficient cause to qualify you to own a gun.
obaminated Member	Tue Sep 12 19:49:11 An attention whore at UP... a sad sight to behold.
kargen Member	Tue Sep 12 19:59:19 ""Criminals wouldn't have guns if guns didn't exist" is basically murder's brilliant position." It isn't even that good. maybe if he made the argument 150 years ago. He is arguing if you take legal guns away all those illegal guns will disappear. The guns are already out there. No getting them back now. And if they were not available to steal in the US we would see them flowing across the border. It is easier to steal a gun but it isn't the only way to get one illegally.
murder Member	Wed Sep 13 05:51:11 "The guns are already out there. No getting them back now." Not with that defeatist attitude. But few people are arguing to do away with guns. Just that everyone shouldn't be entitled to own one, or a dozen, or a hundred of them. The vast majority of Americans just want to keep guns out of the hands of radicals, and crazies, and stupids, and abusers, and yes ... even criminals. The vast majority of us just want responsible gun owners to actually be responsible and be held responsible when they don't own their guns responsibly. It is not an infringement to require gun owners to secure their weapons so that they are not easily stolen or easily accessed by children or others who weren't meant to use them. The vast majority of us just want to do away with the "anything goes" attitude. It is also not unreasonable for every bullet fired to be traceable back to its purchaser, because while you may have the right to keep and bear arms, you do not have the right to get away with using them in the commission of a crime.
patom Member	Wed Sep 13 09:11:28 "It is also not unreasonable for every bullet fired to be traceable back to its purchaser, because while you may have the right to keep and bear arms, you do not have the right to get away with using them in the commission of a crime." Well damn. I thought per the right wingers that Obama had put tracers on all bullets.
Dukhat Member	Thu Sep 14 07:27:25 Our shitty gun culture is being exported to other countries and exploding their murder rate. Much of this is domestic abuse and aimed at women and children and the vulnerable. Its mostly young men who blame the world doing the killing even overseas.
Rugian Member	Thu Sep 14 07:39:39 "Our" Dukhat you barely qualify as an American based on your authoritarian CCP-style belief system. STFU with this "we" drivel.
Cherub Cow Member	Sat Sep 16 20:33:44 [murder]: "It is not an infringement to require gun owners to secure their weapons so that they are not easily stolen or easily accessed by children or others who weren't meant to use them." It is, actually. The "[keep your weapons locked]" lie is not about protecting children from some incredibly rare '90s "90210" case of some kid finding his dad's gun and shooting himself in the face ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS9C6-WFFDY ). It is designed to infringe. The goal is to give power to the State, which can count on kicking a door down while law-abiding gun owners have to wake up and scramble to unlock and load their weapons while the State already has a finger on the trigger. If you do not believe this, ask if it's acceptable for a gun owner with his weapons locked in a safe to also have a double-row of Infernal Machines embedded in the drywall around the home entrance with a trip-switch that activates when it detects police boots. "[You have a 'loycense' for that booby-trap?]" [murder]: "It is also not unreasonable for every bullet fired to be traceable back to its purchaser, because while you may have the right to keep and bear arms, you do not have the right to get away with using them in the commission of a crime." Insane bullshit. This goes right to gun-registration illogic. If bullets were to become traceable, that means requiring a registry which links firearms and ammunition directly to government authorities. This allows commie-fucks to look at those registries to target sovereign citizens. [murder]: "The vast majority of Americans just want to keep guns out of the hands of radicals, and crazies, and stupids, and abusers, and yes ... even criminals." I like how murder couldn't help but mix in foot-in-door semantic traps into his list. Like, many people might take the bait and say, "[Well, sure, crazy people and criminals probably shouldn't have access to weapons]," but the dis-ingenuousness of even that is exposed where murder says, "radicals ... stupids ... abusers." Because what is a "radical", a "stupid" person, or an "abuser" to a leftist psychopath? • "Radical" basically just means that he would gladly disarm his political enemies, like a good Marxist would. • "Stupid" is how the left codes the low-class "rednecks" who live away from the state in rural areas. • "Abuser" is the myth of the wife-beater who could be disarmed entirely by an emotional woman's words. Nearly every single political opinion that murder has is a danger to the sovereignty of the nation under whose blanket he sleeps. He is why cowards should not be allowed to vote.
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