Utopia Talk / Politics / Republicans want to require IDs to vote

murder Member	Sun Sep 24 12:22:03 But registering people to vote when they get a government ID is a scam, cheating, and election rigging. http://www.threads.net/@david.heath.writer/post/CxlMc8eghWu
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Sep 24 14:15:44 the important thing is that everyone believe (over a year out) that the election was rigged if Trump doesn't win... (just like he ran on the last two times) he loves this country so much & has caused such positive influence...
obaminated Member	Sun Sep 24 14:31:25 Considering how far the left has gone to prevent trump from running again, only an idiot would think the left would leave the future of the presidency up to the American people. Of course they will cheat to keep trump out.
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Sep 25 04:49:49 The important thing here is that murder is pretending that the "good" thing that the GOP wants is being co-signed by the DNC concurrently with the "good" thing that the DNC is pushing here. Whereas, • The DNC is *not* offering Voter I.D. • The DNC *is* pushing automatic registration Murder, being a totalitarian sycophant, sees no issue in automatically registering scores of people while *not* having those people show up in-person to vote with I.D. Because he is huffing Regime shit so regularly, he can simply be told by the Regime that "[it's totally cool for us to sign everyone up to vote but not check those people in person, bro. Trust us, bro.]" Meanwhile, non-midwits can see that there's an obvious issue in automatically registering voters: it expands the DNC's options for fraudulent activity by granting them access to inactive voters who are rarely audited. With a larger pool of un-checked voters, they can manipulate the margin of error without worrying about audits because audits become financially unfeasible, and those audits cannot find *enough* evidence to beat election deadlines and DNC judges. • Would murder advocate for *both* extending election auditing deadlines (and increasing their scope and funding) *and* automatic voter registration? • Would murder advocate for automatic registration **only after** Voter I.D. and in-person voting is required for every citizen? Murder is just a random useful idiot, so more importantly, would the *DNC* try to meet these criteria? lol, no Biden, the mentally unfit DNC fraud-liar-pedo-resident, and his pedophilia and totalitarian sycophants still believe the Regime lie of "the most secure election in history", so they couldn't possibly see an issue here. [obaminated]: "Of course they will cheat to keep trump out." Yup. I've pointed it out before, but leftists like tw can never seem to reconcile these two simultaneous left-wing claims: 1) Trump is literally Hitler 2.0, is the worst thing to ever happen ever, and if he's elected every bad thing will happen forever and always. 2) The DNC will do literally *anything* to stop Hitler 2.0, even killing baby Hitler 2.0... but we wouldn't cheat, bro! That is, 1) is Trump literally Hitler 2.0, or 2) is he not such a big deal and it's okay to have free elections without tampering? Would tw admit that Trump is not such a bad guy? lol, no. Tw now has 37 threads, so that's not happening, so he has to pretend that the DNC would *not* cheat to stop Hitler 2.0. Add to this things like... • the fact that leftists are mostly composed of immoral actors, cowards, deceivers, and weaklings, wherein the possibility of cheating is entirely assured. • the DNC has actively weaponized the DoJ to force a conviction *explicitly* for the purpose of keeping voters from having Trump as a choice, confirming their immorality. • people like Sam Harris channeling the pure leftist psychosis by saying that stopping Hitler 2.0 from running is literally more important than a dungeon full of dead kids. People like tw for some reason still have not realized that their team is playing for blood. The consistent position would be: "[Yes, Trump is Hitler 2.0, so we will absolutely cheat *again* to stop him — and that's not all we'll do.]" If tw could realize this simple fact, he will understand the oligarchs who command his obedience, and he will better predict the terrible future that they mean to effect.
murder Member	Mon Sep 25 06:38:55 "it's totally cool for us to sign everyone up to vote but ..." I checked the Constitution and it turns out that registering to vote is not really a thing. It seems that it was an obstacle put into place to make it harder for people to vote. There's nothing in there about IDs either. There is some stuff about poll taxes and not denying eligible citizens the right to vote, but nothing that would interest you. Also not in there ... a requirement for in person voting. Odd, right?
Rugian Member	Mon Sep 25 08:46:41 Murder You know what else isn't in the Constitution? Your right to vote for the president, period. It's almost as if the Constitution, as a high-level foundational document, was never intended to be the be-all end-all of electoral law.
Rugian Member	Mon Sep 25 09:18:18 Weird that the Constitution doesn't mention any age limits for the right to vote. I guess the Founding Fathers intended for toddlers to have an equal say in who runs the government?
Rugian Member	Mon Sep 25 09:29:09 It's funny, I don't see anything in the Constitution that guarantees a right to have your polling place be located near you. Maybe Florida can decree that all voters must report to Tallahassee on election day to cast a ballot.
Rugian Member	Mon Sep 25 09:32:23 Huh, the constitution only mentions that states must maintain a "republican" form of government, but it doesn't go into any detail about what kind of "republicanism" is required. Maybe states can adopt the ancient Roman form of republicanism? You know, organize the population into blocs in which the wealthy get to vote first and have their votes be worth orders of magnitude more than the ordinary plebs. That would be cool.
Rugian Member	Mon Sep 25 09:48:59 Or maybe we could go with Ba'athist-style republicanism? Ron DeSantis bans the Florida Democratic Party and becomes a dictator on the grounds that he and he alone can hold the consent of the governed. Fuck yeah!
Rugian Member	Mon Sep 25 09:59:33 Whoa, did you know that the Constitution only specifies that Congressmen and Senators are to be elected by the same "people" who vote for the most numerous branch of the state legislature? So if, under the Ba'athist-style regime we just established only Republicans are able to vote in state elections, that would also mean that Republicans are the only "people" that can vote in federal ones? That's wild man.
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Sep 25 21:01:13 [murder]: "I checked the Constitution and it turns out that registering to vote is not really a thing. It seems that it was an obstacle put into place to make it harder for people to vote. There's nothing in there about IDs either ... Also not in there ... a requirement for in person voting. " lol. You see murder's disingenuous retardation? Murder's position requires that he deny the simple reality of citizen-voting in early government. Does he think that "citizens" meant "everyone"? Does he think that citizens in 1788 cast votes via their local DMV web-portal? Of fucking course not, but he must pretend to be retarded in order to float this transparently vapid position wherein it's not law if it's not expressly stated as a wall against subversives such as himself. Citizens were white formerly British subjects — most often with their British colonist-fathers having been born in the new nation (a stated requirement of early citizenship was a white property-owning father born in the nation). Electors were known *public* officials who held demonstrable property and titles (compare to some digital ballot by anonymous project-dweller number 9450134). They met in person in chambers and cast and personally signed their votes — i.e., binding their votes to their public names in a public counting. In New Hampshire, 5,909 citizen-electors (again, *citizens*, not some "naturalized" subversive from Guatemala) voted with signed and certified ballots which were tied directly to their names and citizenship ( http://mem...eName=001/llac001.db&recNum=11 , https://www.loc.gov/rr/program/bib/elections/election1789.html ). In-person was the *only* way to vote, you fucking idiot. It was a means of expressly certifying that one's very name was attached to his political authority by his own ink. The best way for subversives to attack this is to claim that citizen-electors may have signed by correspondence, yet even *then* these were again public figures delivering hand-delivered ballots. Subversives like murder, of course, like to dilute this formula as much as possible. • How many hands can a ballot pass through? • How can we dilute "citizenship"? • How can we distance the man from his vote? • How can we distance the force of a vote from its responsibility? The only pure goal of the subversive is to put ballots into the hands of immoral actors and slavish destroyers. This is why murder will always take the position — no matter how retarded — which makes it easier for the most destructive "citizen" to discharge political will without the slightest requirement of responsibility. People like him have been used to destroy societies with historical regularity and should always be denied the franchise.
murder Member	Tue Sep 26 09:18:51 "Does he think that "citizens" meant "everyone"?" Fortunately the shitty original Constitution has been amended and improved throughout our history.
murder Member	Tue Sep 26 09:27:32 "The only pure goal of the subversive is to put ballots into the hands of immoral actors and slavish destroyers. This is why murder will always take the position — no matter how retarded — which makes it easier for the most destructive "citizen" to discharge political will without the slightest requirement of responsibility. People like him have been used to destroy societies with historical regularity and should always be denied the franchise." CC basically saying the quiet parts out loud. Republicans want to restrict the vote to only those citizens they approve of. Good thing you're not a Republican official, otherwise you'd have nuked any pretense that voter suppression laws aren't meant to do exactly that.
Rugian Member	Tue Sep 26 09:42:19 You have a lot of bad takes murder, but this thread is a particular monument to your stupidity. You have no valid point here.
murder Member	Tue Sep 26 10:14:10 The point should have been clear with the first post. Republicans claim that they want to secure elections by requiring IDs to vote ... but the truth is that they don't want certain citizens to vote whether they have IDs or not. Registering citizens to do something that they shouldn't need to register to do hurts absolutely no one ... except the people that don't want them to vote.
obaminated Member	Tue Sep 26 11:06:51 Your last couple sentences doesn't mean what you want it to mean. Some form of voter identification has always existed murder. Your argument is stupid. The only people who are against voter IDs are liberals who want to cheat elections.
murder Member	Tue Sep 26 12:14:38 Then I'm sure you support the registration of citizens when they get a government ID.
obaminated Member	Tue Sep 26 12:49:30 What do you think "the registration of citizens" means?
murder Member	Tue Sep 26 14:27:18 I think it means they are granted their constitutional rights.
obaminated Member	Tue Sep 26 14:30:28 Every citizen of the United States has constitutional rights. Do YOU know what your point is or are you actually drowning this badly? Your position is genuinely difficult to comprehend. Just take the L and move on man.
Habebe Member	Wed Sep 27 05:23:30 "Ron DeSantis bans the Florida Democratic Party and becomes a dictator on the grounds that he and he alone can hold the consent of the governed. Fuck yeah!" You had never Bathism, you lost me when mentioning Trump-country and a non Trump leader.
murder Member	Wed Sep 27 09:27:06 "Every citizen of the United States has constitutional rights." Not in Republican America they don't. No ID, no rights.
Rugian Member	Wed Sep 27 09:42:49 Okay fine, we'll give you automatic registration to vote. Provided that you agree that citizens should also be automatically registered for their other constitutional rights. Mainly firearm ownership.
murder Member	Thu Sep 28 19:45:21 Sure. But pretty everyone already has those rights.
Cherub Cow Member	Sat Sep 30 03:41:53 "Sure. But pretty everyone already has those rights." Equalize the provision of the "rights" then. I.e., the government must *provide* all citizens with a firearm. So, you are automatically registered to vote and automatically issued a firearm. The government must extend its audit deadlines linearly with the growth of registrations, fully fund opposition audits, and fully fund extended magazines with ammunition that can defeat at least a class-ii plate. "CC basically saying the quiet parts out loud. Republicans want to restrict the vote to only those citizens they approve of." Murder literally too stupid to understand that the DNC is after his vote *because* he — as a model for the slavish voter — is too stupid and pathetic to get an I.D. and walk into a polling center. If *that* is "suppression" then your words are again proven to be as muddled as those of a pothead describing the universe in terms of a lava lamp. Meanwhile, for people who have the tiniest bit of a survival instinct, it is immediately obvious that people who want to kill themselves should not be allowed to force society to join them at Jonestown. Despite what DNC policy would have you believe, you do not have the right to destroy society.
murder Member	Sat Sep 30 10:08:38 "Equalize the provision of the "rights" then. I.e., the government must *provide* all citizens with a firearm. So, you are automatically registered to vote and automatically issued a firearm." That would only be equal if the government was voting for you. But you're insane so ...
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