Utopia Talk / Politics / Gaza: ab ira et ab odio

Rugian Member	Thu Oct 26 11:01:54 "And now the hatred and resentment which had prompted the attack on [Gaza] showed itself. No one thought of making prisoners or securing plunder though everything was at the mercy of the spoilers; the scene was one of indiscriminate butchery, non-combatants together with those in arms, women equally with men were all alike massacred; the ruthless savagery extended even to the slaughter of infants. Then they flung lighted brands on the houses and what the fire could not consume was completely demolished. So bent were the [Israelis] upon obliterating every vestige of the city, and blotting out all record of their foes." Part 2 of 2 Link to previous: http://uto...hread=92266&time=1698334626540
Rugian Member	Thu Oct 26 11:03:45 Nim It's just like, wtf. You JUST said what you now claim you didn't say.
Rugian Member	Thu Oct 26 11:05:36 And as for the claims about Hamas' popularity among the Gazans, all Seb showed is that 50% of the populace is completely fine with Hamas' promise to eradicate Israel off the face of the Earth. There's no oppressed population there. Those savages have the government they want.
Seb Member	Thu Oct 26 11:21:38 Rugian: "Explain all of the Muslim protests then." Israel is killing a lot of civilians and children and irrespective of whatever Hamas has done they object to that, especially the very long occupation of Palestine.
Seb Member	Thu Oct 26 11:23:13 Are you really so dense that you think that either you support anything and everything Israel does, or you are a baby killer?
Seb Member	Thu Oct 26 11:26:17 Biden seems to be following pretty much exactly what I think. Yes, Israel is entitled to destroy Hamas. But it must do everything it can to avoid killing civilians. And it must allow humanitarian aid into the strip. And it needs to work to a two state solution. Because Palestinians also deserve freedom, security and a state. The fact you can be against this just makes me think you probably exactly like Hamas, but want to see different coloured babies beheaded.
jergul large member	Thu Oct 26 11:54:15 Ruggy One of the reasons Gaza has to remain under martial law for the forceeable future is definitely the need for deprogramming. But surely you can see how Israeli policies historically have contributed to radicalization in Gaza? What makes you think that more policies in the same or worse vein would not further increase radical sentiment?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Oct 26 12:35:33 Russia managed to flatted Grozny with the ground and there was no radicalization. On the contrary the chechens are now Putins foot soldiers. And that _battle_ killed twice as many civilians as has been killed in this entire conflict on both sides. It’s amazing how sebgul get everything wrong.
Paramount Member	Thu Oct 26 12:40:10 Israel has killed 50 of the 200 POW’s that Hamas had. Lol
jergul large member	Thu Oct 26 12:43:31 Nimi Russia occupied Chechnya and spent a lot of effort deprogramming the population. Sad that Russia has a roadmap way better than what Israel may end up doing. Israel really does have to fully occupy the Gaza strip if it wants change. Change will still not come automatically and will take decades. Like in Chechnya.
jergul large member	Thu Oct 26 12:44:43 Seb I already mentioned that. Good that advisors to the president have a clue.
LazyCommunist Member	Thu Oct 26 12:55:18 Russia is the new centre of the world, all important decisions will be made here: http://www...n-foreign-ministry-2023-10-26/ MOSCOW, Oct 26 (Reuters) - A delegation from Hamas visited Moscow on Thursday for talks on the release of foreign hostages including Russian citizens that the militant group is currently holding in Gaza, Russian news agencies reported, citing the foreign ministry. Senior Hamas member Abu Marzouk was among those attending the talks, TASS reported. "Contacts were held with him in continuation of the Russian line on the immediate release of foreign hostages in the Gaza Strip. Issues related to ensuring the evacuation of Russian and other foreign citizens from the territory of the Palestinian enclave were also discussed," TASS said. Russia has ties to all key players in the Middle East, including Israel, Iran, the Palestinian Authority and Hamas, the militant Islamist group that controls Gaza.
Sam Adams Member	Thu Oct 26 12:59:47 Armor is rolling into gaza. Probably another thunder run.
Seb Member	Thu Oct 26 13:10:18 Nim: There was radicalisation - thats precisely why they are good footsoldiers. Russia however occupied and indoctrinated the population, and coopted Kadyrov, Kadyrov commands the loyalty of the Islamic fundamentalists and brutally suppresses any opposition to him. But you are out of your mind if you think checnya is a model to follow.
jergul large member	Thu Oct 26 13:14:55 Russia also has 1000 nationals in Gaza.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Oct 26 13:32:03 Jergul "Russia occupied Chechnya and spent a lot of effort deprogramming the population." Who said Israel shouldn't occupy and deprogram the population, after they have destroyed Hamas? The example Russia in Chechnya, is a response to the idea that killing civilians leads to radicalization. It is clearly not this fatalistic process. But it is amazing, twice the dead civilians in 1 battle than this entire conflict. Do this experiment with people and ask them how many Palestinians they think have died in the conflict since 1948, ask them for ball park figures. Prepare to be overwhelmed, millions and hundred thousands are the common answer, even from people who have not taken any sides. Seb "There was radicalisation" No. Everyone understood what the word means in context, save the gaslighting lying retards. They are no longer killing Russian soldiers and civilians. "But you are out of your mind if you think checnya is a model to follow." Ad hominem in place of an argument, is a fallacy. It clearly worked, no more terrorists attacking Russian schools and theaters, slaughtering children and civilians. No more Russian soldiers taken captive, tortured and beheaded. Deal with it.
Seb Member	Thu Oct 26 16:01:30 Nimatzo: Sure they aren't, because they have a fairly hard-line chechnyan Muslim, son of the format Independence movement leader and Mufti acting as an unquestioned dictator running the region as a largely autonomous Islamic state within Russia, in exchange for providing Putin with a private army loyal to him via Kadyrov.
Seb Member	Thu Oct 26 16:01:56 (tell me you haven't been following Russian politics without telling me you haven't been following Russian politics)
Seb Member	Thu Oct 26 16:06:08 "It clearly worked, no more terrorists attacking Russian" Yeah, all you have to do is find an Islamist warlord and buy them off, and let them run the place autonomously.
Seb Member	Thu Oct 26 16:08:39 "slaughtering children and civilians." Have you checked out Kadyrov's militias MO in the various conflicts it's been used in? Jesus Nim. "Islamic gangs that murder and rape civilians are fine, provided they are only murdering and raping foreigners or people of their own ethnicity".
Seb Member	Thu Oct 26 16:10:52 It's like saying the Basij aren't radicalised because they don't attack IRCG. If you consider Chechnyans Russian citizens, they absolutely do all that shit if they think your loyalty is in question.
Seb Member	Thu Oct 26 17:07:37 "It is ok to torture and rape people as long as you do it in the name of Islam AND The Russian Federation". - Nim
Sam Adams Member	Thu Oct 26 23:06:30 US bombs iranian weapons depot in syria.
Sam Adams Member	Thu Oct 26 23:06:39 About time.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Oct 27 01:46:23 Seb Your definition of “radicalized” in the context of Hamas, the Chechen mjuhedeens and global Jihad are ignorant of reality and the conversation. Now please shut up.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Oct 27 01:58:36 I mean seriously, what kind of retard are you? The dynamic being discussed is, are people who are bombed and massacred, radicalized to keep fighting and committing terrorist attacks against those that bombed and killed them, Hamas v Israel or Chechens v Russia. And seb thinks he is a genius because oh look, the chechens went on to kill people FOR the people who bombed and massacred their civilians. Who is convinced by your genius seb, beaides your mother?
obaminated Member	Fri Oct 27 02:20:36 So I've avoided this thread(s) for a while because you guys still think the argument is about jergul, Paramount and seb being unsaved. Like I said when/if Baghdad gets bombed it's time you made right with a God you refuse to kneel to. And every day we inch closer to it.
obaminated Member	Fri Oct 27 02:25:02 Imagine being raised to passively hate Israel. Imagine a major attack on Israel happening and you side with them. Imagine within 48 hours fucking Israel over instead siding with their attackers and claiming "they don't brag about killing civilins". Judgement comes for everyone. Whether from God or from Man. /the lunatic who believes in God and strangely scripture lines up with the Bible. Imagine the world saying up was down over and over again and the Bible telling you that was exactly how the world would treat the jew. A humble and wise man would be terrified
Seb Member	Fri Oct 27 04:28:01 Nim: You were the one that raised Chechnya - I hope you now see that it is not a model to follow. You are arguing that Russia's bombing cowed and some how re-itegrated Chechnya. What actually happened was the 2nd Chechnyan war ended when Putin cut a deal with a faction of the Islamists whereby they remained part of Russia, got to run Chechnya as an Islamic "republic", influence at the top levels of the Russian state, wealth and power - i.e. independence in all but name. In the meantime, Kadyrov's battalions get to commit all the same kinds of atrocities that Hamas does, as long as it is turned on Russia's enemies. This is not a model that Israel can follow easily - to some extent it already tried this but it backed the most radical faction as a proxy (Hamas) to undermine the credibility of the more moderate Fatah, because Israel is pursuing a different objective. Putin gave up on Russification of Chechnya and was happy to have it as a substantially autonomous Islamic republic within Russia. Israel on the other hand wants to settle most of the West Bank. So the model cannot be followed.
Seb Member	Fri Oct 27 04:28:29 Also how fucked up do you have to be to look at Putin and his atrocities and barbarism and say "here is a model to follow".
Seb Member	Fri Oct 27 05:18:35 Also worth noting that the independence movement was only finally surrendered in 2009 in Chechnya so obviously some people were still radicalised to keep fighting despite being given an autonomous islamic republic prior to then.
jergul large member	Fri Oct 27 05:34:29 Ukraine has chechnyan units. Well, or had. I don't think government messaging on Israel-Palestine since oct-7th has done miracles for morale and retainment. Seb, your analysis is off by some degrees. Russification has not been abandoned in Chechnya. "Akhmat - sila", the main slogan of Chechnyan forces, is for example Russian. What has happened is a desecularization in regime messaging overall, with various regions more than free to practice their own religions (Putin had a meeting with religious leaders nationally yesterday for example again). The Russian model for Chechnya is based more than in part on Israeli experiences. You can say the same of what it is trying to achieve in Ukraine frankly.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Oct 27 08:41:48 http://x.com/SadiqKhan/status/1717816632842781047?s=20 "Also how fucked up do you have to be to look at Putin and his atrocities and barbarism and say "here is a model to follow". " Way less fucked up than letting london be occupied by muslim terrorists.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Oct 27 10:16:10 "obaminated Member Fri Oct 27 02:20:36 So I've avoided this thread(s) for a while because you guys still think the argument is about jergul, Paramount and seb being unsaved." Not sure what you mean "think the argument is about [them]". It's about what they say. The things these people say is actually how many people think. Especially Paramount, he is the poster child for how Palestine supporters think. Seb is your average western bureaucrat (the intellectual yet idiot) and Jergul, is something in between. They cover 75% of Euro mentality.
jergul large member	Fri Oct 27 10:27:51 Not sure what you mean to be frank. My perspective is pretty neutral with a slight pro-Israel bias. It is not a view that has many followers in Europe. I guess you just have trouble reading properely through your anger issues.
obaminated Member	Fri Oct 27 10:47:40 Nim, I understand they speak for the majority of Europe. They are unsaved. You will not change their mind. Europe is lost. This attack was originally meant to destroy Israel. Hamas either jumped the gun or hezbollah panicked. Iran was behind all of it. The Bible has this war in its text. The world will turn on the jew. Those who stand against Israel will not exist when its done.
jergul large member	Fri Oct 27 11:02:45 Obam How crazy do you think Hamas is? Destroy Israel with a couple 100 man incursion that succeeded beyond any reasonable expectation due to huge lapses in Israeli security. From my perspective, I don't mind if Israel continues business as usual for another 2000 years if it chooses that course. What I have outlined however is if Israel wants to break the impasse, then it has to defeat Hamas totally and remain in full physical control of Gazan security until such a time when the martial law regime can be handed over to someone else. What I dont get is your hyperbole. You sound like a crazy person.
obaminated Member	Fri Oct 27 11:41:36 Because you are an idiot. Hamas is run by teenagers who got over eager. Your flippant claim that Israel was caught flat footed was wrong. Israel knew an attack was coming and braced their northern front for it because they knew hezbollah would lead it. But hamas came first. And fucked everything for the Muslims who wanted to wipe the jew into the sea. Again. This is all in the Bible and you are unsaved so. You simply won't understand. Look in the book Ezekiel.
obaminated Member	Fri Oct 27 11:47:14 I mean seriously jergul. You keep gaslighting. But you have been wrong this whole time. Why don't you stop commenting and just shut up and listen?
jergul large member	Fri Oct 27 11:56:47 Everyone knows Israel got flatfooted and there is absolutely no way to "wipe the jew into the sea" for Hamas with any allies. Not even close. "This is all in the bible" Let me stop you right there. That is not an analytical approach I can relate to. Because it is not an analytical approach. The debating fallacy is called "appeal to authority". And humouring the perspective with an debating fallacy is being very kind. Wrong? Has Israel killed 5 digits of Gazans yet? And would that matter in the grand scheme of things? Israel+Palestine = 0.2% of the global population. That is barely even a rounding error. I do not work in a pscyche ward. I do not have to entertain crazy.
obaminated Member	Fri Oct 27 11:58:55 "This is all in the Bible and you are unsaved. So you won't understand." And yes. You've been wrong and prideful about it this whole time. You lack humility and wisdom.
obaminated Member	Fri Oct 27 12:03:01 As I said. Look in the book of Ezekiel. It speaks of the war of gog and magog. Those are the names of the tribes the Hebrews had for the tribes in present day Iran and Russia. Wild that Hebrews 2000 years (ish) ago predicted those same tribes would organize a war against the jew. Must be a coincidence. They are also known as the 10 lost tribes. Europe.
obaminated Member	Fri Oct 27 12:06:53 And now jergul will deny Iran and Russia are actively plotting to the death of Israel. Despite all evidence to the contrary. The unbeliever simply won't see. Also in the Bible.
jergul large member	Fri Oct 27 12:13:57 Ok, who broke Obaminated?
obaminated Member	Fri Oct 27 12:17:25 Religion is a very scary thing for people like you. It's best to joke and hide.
Rugian Member	Fri Oct 27 12:21:27 Jergul Say what you will about the Bible, at least it makes more sense than your whole "everyone is a rational actor and has the same definition of rationality as me" worldview.
jergul large member	Fri Oct 27 12:27:22 Ruggy It is just an analytical tool. I am happy to swap around assumptions. For example, I have not once suggested Hamas is a rational actor in these very lengthy discussions. I have mostly been interested on how the realism approach so often overlaps with moral, legal and ethical understandings. A moral, ethical, and legal approach will simply get you more of the things you want with greater consistency. I jot that down to morals, ethics and legality being formed by what works through generations upon generations of trial and error. But it was interesting to me, I had not noted the dovetails so clearly before the 7th.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Oct 27 12:31:01 Man, northern gaza is getting seriously buttfucked. Good to see the idf not fucking around. Your "4" digits is about to get blown past jergul.
jergul large member	Fri Oct 27 12:32:20 Obam I always assume people have a belief system. Individual or collective, it does not matter. But just because you believe something does not make it true. Perhaps sadly, I do not find religion to be scary or intimidating at all. But feel free to cite one of Islams holy books as much as you like. Just know I write it off as an appeal to authority debating fallacy.
jergul large member	Fri Oct 27 12:33:10 Sammy Fair enough, but lets wait until it happens.
murder Member	Fri Oct 27 12:40:56 "Ok, who broke Obaminated?" The religious are all nuts. It's 2023 for god's sake!
Sam Adams Member	Fri Oct 27 12:43:32 True, you could still get lucky and hamas could surrender in the next day or 2. I doubt it though. Internet/phone cut/jammed in all of gaza. Heavy bombardment, heaviest yet. Rumor has it big ground invasion is about to start.
murder Member	Fri Oct 27 12:49:00 "Say what you will about the Bible, at least it makes more sense than your whole "everyone is a rational actor and has the same definition of rationality as me" worldview." No, no it doesn't. To believe the Bible is to believe that God scripted a psychodrama to play out over thousands of years because ... well just because.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Oct 27 12:53:41 We've heard that rumor multiple times, but our 2nd fleet carrier should be arriving now. It was a 5300 nm journy and while the carrier itself could have done that at 32kt, the ABs could do it only at 25kt with 2 tankings(can't atrive on empty), and the fleet supply ships can only do 20kt. thats 12 days or so for the crossing... and she launched... 12 days ago.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Oct 27 12:59:29 Edit the carrier could probably have done nearly 40kt if she really wanted to. Reinforcing a minor muslum war doesnt seem like a good reason to go to 100% on a nuclear reactor for 120 hours though. And ABs would be days behind even with perfect fueler spacing.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Oct 27 13:01:55 obaminated "You will not change their mind." Won't change their minds, but probing their arguments will equip you better to save the souls who are on the fence. "Europe is lost." It's in a pickle for sure, but not lost. Not yet. Plenty of good people who have not accepted the path of Satan. "This attack was originally meant to destroy Israel" Big disagree there, there is no chance any Hamas attack to destroy Israel. Some analysis indicated Hamas were surprised it was such a success, they had not expected it. No the aim was to disrupt the Saudi rapprochement, inflict damage, then give their own children as martyrs and expect the world to pressure Israel into a cease fire. Consider that The Great Awokening™ among Satan's children had not occurred around the Palestinian issue, it has now. That is another victory for Hamas, sowing division and dissent in the west, whipping up the Muslim populations of Europe and their white allies.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Oct 27 13:09:28 Obaminated I actally have people around me, who have lazily joined in on this, for no other reason that being surrounded by people who for poorly thought out reasons. Him: I would choose China over the USA any day! Me: Explaining China. Him: What? So Chinese people are not free? Me: *silent sigh* No they are free. Anyway in this conversation I managed to make him nod when I asked, how come US intervention only ended in a cluster fuck in the ME and not in Japan, Vietnam or Germany? Could it be because of Islam? He is not a Muslim and dislikes religion. I planted small seeds inside his head, you see. This same person qualified his support for Palestine with "Nobody likes Jews". He knows nothing about Jews, or Israel or Palestine and he isn't a muslim, he has just grown up in one of Sweden's "No go zones". Gotta save them souls.
Paramount Member	Fri Oct 27 14:05:53 ” how come US intervention only ended in a cluster fuck in the ME and not in Japan, Vietnam or Germany?” It could be because of lack of sincere interest and because of incompetence/misjudgement, in the case of Iraq and Afghanistan. And, the Yanks were not welcomed in neither Iraq or Afghanistan. The germans welcomed the US as opposed to the alternative, Soviet. So the germans were more inclined to make it work together with the americans. Japan is a different story. They have a long history of being submissive to whomever defeats them or rules over them. Be it a shogun, an emperor, or a foreign power. They bow their head to everyone. Vietnam? USA lost the Vietnam war. So you can say it was a clusterfuck for the USA. You need to call your friend and tell him what I have said above ^
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Oct 27 14:12:29 Paramount No, it was because of Muslims. Anyway, the invasion of Gaza has begun.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Oct 27 14:13:25 Me: *silent sigh* No they are *not* free. Correction.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Oct 27 14:13:52 Japan and germany provided a much higher caliber of human upon which to build a woorking civilization.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Oct 27 14:15:03 paramount Or I could say Yes, but everything you said, can be condensed down into: it was because of Islam.
Paramount Member	Fri Oct 27 14:17:12 And because the US succeeded in Germnay and Japan is because of….? Christianity?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Oct 27 14:18:15 Because there was no Islam. You silly crazy person.
Paramount Member	Fri Oct 27 14:20:12 You need to stop smoking pot and go back to school.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Oct 27 14:22:26 The cultural export of Islamic countries is Jihad. Not science, not movies, not art, but violence. And if you find any of those things in Islamic countries, you find that they are suffocating and sub-optimized. You know why? :) Oh I can't wait, it's because of Islam! Islam sucks, in every way imaginably, besides fomenting intolerance and violence towards non-muslims and things that are not Islam. It is really good at that.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Oct 27 14:24:14 "You need to stop smoking pot" The white flag of butt hurt. gg
Paramount Member	Fri Oct 27 14:31:27 There was no Islam in Vietnam either. Yet, Vietnam was a clusterfuck for the US. The only places where US post-war buildups has been ”successful” is in Germany and Japan, and I gave you the plausible reason for why.
Paramount Member	Fri Oct 27 14:33:56 ” The cultural export of Islamic countries is Jihad. Not science, not movies, not art, but violence.” So would you say that you and your parents are violent people then?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Oct 27 14:37:40 It was not a cluster fuck for Vietnam. Vietnam is fine, practically as soon as America left, Vietnam moved on with their life, no "great Satan" victimhood narrative. Iraq and Afghanistan will not recover in 50 years. Because of Islam. It was not obvious when I said it, the question is why these places are failed states and shitholes when all these other places recovered, almost instantly. They accepted American/western occupation and help to recover or as the case of Vietnam, just moved on with their lives. It's actually quite astonishing, given how long and bloody Vietnam was. Not a single Vietnamese suicide attacker on American civilians. Islam. Internalize this fact, be happier.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Oct 27 14:40:24 "So would you say that you and your parents are violent people then?" We are not Muslims :) You are not going to outsmart me, the logic is idiot-proof. Internalize these fact, you don't even need to thank me.
Paramount Member	Fri Oct 27 14:42:50 Nimatzo, I gotta save your soul. Israel is a genocidal colonial apartheid regime. There, I have planted a small seed inside your head :)
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Oct 27 14:44:15 I swear paramount, my 6 year old already has the capacity for logic that you show. No joke.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Oct 27 14:47:47 Your too late, I have lived in Sweden for longer than you have lived on the lanet. I soaked up the passive anti-Israeli sentiment. I killed the tree and pulled it up by the roots, once I realized I had inexplicably "forgotten" Palestinians are Muslims. Once the penny dropped, I slapped my forehead and was like of course! How did I not put 2 and 2 together on this one? I have given you the formula, you don't need to slumber around this world confused.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Oct 27 14:49:43 Remember I also tried to save you for the farce of voting. You didn't believe me. And then I told you I told you so. It's because I am at least twice as smart as a 6 year old.
Paramount Member	Fri Oct 27 14:52:11 ” Vietnam moved on with their life” They were able to move on because the US and France gave up and didn’t bother them no more. Compare to the ME where the US has military bases all over the place and where they pay billions of dollars to support brutal arab dictators who oppress and jail the people, and billions of dollars to a fascist genocidal Israel who are allowed to bomb its neighbors to pieces anytime the oppresses people are rising up. The US has never stopped meddling in the ME. That’s why.
Paramount Member	Fri Oct 27 14:57:42 For the ME to be able to move on, USA must be defeated. They must leave the ME like they leaved Vietnam.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Oct 27 15:27:49 We already covered that. Islam. **** Arab news outlets are screeching that Hamas has been betrayed by Iran. lol :)
Paramount Member	Fri Oct 27 15:32:27 There are also reports on that Israel is doing Hamas work of killing the PoW’s. Lol
Paramount Member	Fri Oct 27 15:33:59 There are problems in Islam and in religion in general. But the bottom line is that the overall problem in the ME is not Islam. The problem is the US. Imperialism and colonialism.
Paramount Member	Fri Oct 27 15:35:36 Israel has also said that they will wipe Iran off the face of the Earth. Lol
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Oct 27 15:44:44 "There are problems in Islam" That is an understatement, but I will take it. Everything else you are concerned with, can be negotiated between people who have worldly concerns. The reason the USA is in the ME, is Islam, otherwise they have would have been content signing trade agreements. If not for Jihad, Islamic revolutions and states, they wouldn't be there.
murder Member	Fri Oct 27 15:47:03 "Arab news outlets are screeching that Hamas has been betrayed by Iran." The Arabs ran out of terrorist funding money?
obaminated Member	Fri Oct 27 15:52:10 "Hamas doesn't gloat about or glorify killing jews, it keeps it hidden because the Arab world would denounce them" sebgul Also "If you have a rifle, use it to kill a jew" hamas http://www...lise-terrorists-kill-Jews.html Beyond useful idiots at this point. Idiocy can be evil.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Oct 27 15:54:27 I think they are expecting Hezbollah and Islamic republic missiles and drones attacking Israel. Money is useless right now.
obaminated Member	Fri Oct 27 15:56:31 The attack on October 7th was supposed to be led by hezbollah. But they probably held off because Israeli forces were waiting for them. So yes, Hamas is assuming hezbollah, their ally, will join in on massacreing every jew they can find. Along with the rest of the Arab world.
Paramount Member	Fri Oct 27 15:59:44 ” If not for Jihad, Islamic revolutions and states, they wouldn't be there” Lol. Ever heard of oil? USA is there for oil and for the Israeli colonial project. Jihad is because of the US is there.
Paramount Member	Fri Oct 27 16:02:12 ” You are not going to outsmart me” It looks like I’m doing that over and over again.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Oct 27 16:12:09 The fact that you are only now responding to that with something akin to "I know you are but what am I" kind of response, doesn't really speak in you favor on that one. :/
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Oct 27 16:15:19 "Lol. Ever heard of oil?" lol, did you hear me mention that everything else can be negotiated between people who have worldly concerns? Or that the US is interested in trade agreements? Are you one of those idiots who think reaching an agreement on oil requires invading a country? This is the level of your left wing geopolitical analysis. OMG OIL! COLONIALISM! WAAAA!
Paramount Member	Fri Oct 27 16:16:49 Lol Nimatzo broke :o)
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Oct 27 16:16:55 Omg the US has written agreements with countries that have oil! THE US MUST BE DESTROYED! Waaa colonial project! Waaa capitalism! waaa!
Paramount Member	Fri Oct 27 16:17:54 I’m done for tonight. Cya :)
murder Member	Fri Oct 27 16:18:03 It would make no sense for Hezbollah to aid Hamas. Hamas struck a huge blow against Israel. If they survive they get all the street cred. Hezbollah is probably quietly rooting for the Israelis to destroy Hamas.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Oct 27 16:18:12 Whatever you need to tell yourself to feel better about being stupid.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Oct 27 16:18:42 "If they survive they get all the street cred." They won't.
obaminated Member	Fri Oct 27 16:59:16 ... hamas and hezbollah are ideologically aligned. It isn't a competition. The goal is to destroy Israel. Why is this difficult for you to understand?
Seb Member	Fri Oct 27 18:54:27 Murder: It only really makes sense for Hezbollah to involve themselves if and when Israel commits on the ground. They don't want Hamas to be destroyed, it leaves them without a proxy.
obaminated Member	Fri Oct 27 20:09:15 Israel shows what hamas does with hospitals. Weak men like seb and jergul will hate the jew for destroying it. http://www...ed-main-HQ-militant-group.html
obaminated Member	Fri Oct 27 20:09:38 Seb. Who funds hamas?
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