Utopia Talk / Politics / Dick fucking Cheney endorsed Kamala

murder Member	Fri Sep 06 19:47:50 Because Republicans are too extreme. We're so far through the looking glass that we may never find out way back. If you predicted this then you are a fucking liar.
kargen Member	Fri Sep 06 21:48:22 of course he did. He doesn't want a visit from Hillary in the middle of the night.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Sep 06 22:15:26 well Trump does regularly call for prosecution or military tribunals of Dick's daughter, so takes a bit of the sting out of it though that behavior alone is reason enough to find Trump unfit even if it wasn't your daughter... for ANY other political candidate calling for prosecution of someone there would have evidence of a crime (OBVIOUSLY)... Trump just claims she deleted J6 evidence that exonerates him (zero evidence of this) & also makes up that the exonerating evidence is about Nancy Pelosi having control over security of the Capitol (which has no bearing on the charges he's facing)... so much stupidity & insanity... i'll bet no R's nor Faux ever talk about charging Liz Cheney or anyone else Trump says should be charged (nor inform the audience how the lunatic keeps saying so) Dick Cheney: "[Trump] can never be trusted with power again." proven pretty much daily
Forwyn Member	Fri Sep 06 22:42:48 tw supports war criminals lulz
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Sep 06 22:56:56 if there's a war crimes case for Liz Cheney, Trump isn't making it... his entire beef is the J6 committee that investigated (& proved) his corrupt actions to overturn the election
Forwyn Member	Sat Sep 07 02:15:56 Oh I missed where you quoted Liz here ...
Randal Graves Member	Sat Sep 07 04:47:18 Foreskin supports convicts running for president. Lulz
Rugian Member	Sat Sep 07 04:55:09 "Never Has America Faced A Greater Threat Than Donald Trump,' Says Guy Who Started Two Wars And Shot A Dude In The Face" http://bab...rs-and-shot-a-dude-in-the-face
Rugian Member	Sat Sep 07 05:06:05 As for Lizzo...she's gone full turn coat, not just endorsing Harris but also Democratic Senate candidates: http://the...ed-texas-senate-race/?tbref=hp This stupid bitch pulled a 180 on everything she believed in pre 2020. Trump literally broke her mind lmao
Rugian Member	Sat Sep 07 05:08:39 "Liz Cheney @Liz_Cheney Kamala Harris is a radical liberal who would raise taxes, take away guns & health insurance, and explode the size and power of the federal gov’t. She wants to recreate America in the image of what’s happening on the streets of Portland & Seattle. We won’t give her the chance. 6:17 PM · Aug 11, 2020" http://x.com/Liz_Cheney/status/1293310682654416896 And yet a mere four years later she's endorsing her? This vapid whore has zero principles. Good on Trump for exposing this snake in the garden's true colors.
Rugian Member	Sat Sep 07 05:27:40 Liz Cheney calls Harris a "radical liberal" whose voting record is "to the left of Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren" http://x.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1831457495367479382 A perfect candidate for a conservative to endorse!
Rugian Member	Sat Sep 07 05:36:28 "Rep. Liz Cheney @RepLizCheney Kamala Harris is a radical liberal and supports dangerous policies that would devastate millions of Americans. See more from my interview with @AmericaNewsroom this morning. 2:49 PM · Aug 12, 2020" http://x.com/RepLizCheney/status/1293620722624090113 Proceeds to call Harris further to the left than Obama and Pelosi, accuses her of believing in "socialist far left" policies, and specifies multiple radical positions that Harris holds So of course, any conservative would love to vote for her! Idiot cumslut.
murder Member	Sat Sep 07 06:02:57 "Never Has America Faced A Greater Threat Than Donald Trump,' Says Guy Who Started Two Wars And Shot A Dude In The Face" At least he had the decency to start them in other countries and not here.
murder Member	Sat Sep 07 06:15:32 "Liz Cheney @Liz_Cheney Kamala Harris is a radical liberal who would raise taxes, take away guns & health insurance, and explode the size and power of the federal gov’t. She wants to recreate America in the image of what’s happening on the streets of Portland & Seattle. We won’t give her the chance. 6:17 PM · Aug 11, 2020" "Lets overthrow the government! -- Donald Trump Jan 6th 2021"
Rugian Member	Sat Sep 07 06:42:45 "Lets overthrow the government! -- Donald Trump Jan 6th 2021" There's a reason you had to make that quote up...because Trump never attempted to do that.
Byron Member	Sat Sep 07 08:05:20 Sure he did. He only incited his followers to take back and get mike pence hanged, delayed any attempt to thwart, then blamed everyone else started the riot and takeover. Defended the traitors, wanted to join them. All that good stuff.
Rugian Member	Sat Sep 07 08:07:34 Find me one quote by Trump where he demanded that his followers overthrow the government or hang Pence. I'll wait.
Byron Member	Sat Sep 07 08:57:37 Oh the same tired tactics.. 'I need direct quotes, because that is the only way to prove it' vs. The inferences, the ambiguity, actions, the aftermath, the outright support of the actions, the threats of pardoning those who were convicted, the claim that he would march up to capital with the and be right there. The veiled approach, but not actually outright statements of 'go do my bidding'. You want the actual quote of Trump saying it. Because apparently, just like it seems most Trump followers, have the hardest of times reading between the lines, only when it matters in particular circumstances.
Byron Member	Sat Sep 07 09:07:12 Let us not forget actually quotes from Trump that the Jan6 was "staged." But, you need direct quotes that Trump ordered the takeover. Sure guy.
murder Member	Sat Sep 07 10:15:05 Dick Cheney endorsing Kamala is so wild. It's like Darth Vader deciding that the empire has gotten too out of control.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Sep 07 11:29:59 It’s only wild if you do not understand that the battle is between the globalist and nationalists. Cheney is squarely in the global order camp, Trump is a threat to the global order. Cheney belongs to the regime thay went to the UN to seek support for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, Trump is the guy threatening to dissolve NATO. It’s basically been this way for the last 100 years.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Sep 07 11:44:50 "This stupid bitch pulled a 180 on everything she believed in pre 2020. Trump literally broke her mind lmao " by Trump being such an enormous threat... she can't vote on policy as he is so dangerous & unfit as a person (& yes "Lets overthrow the government!" is what Trump was doing w/ multiple angles... why does he hate Kemp? what was he telling Pence to do? what was he doing w/ state legislators (not the proper path to challenge results)... why did he say all rules including constitution should be terminated...)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Sep 07 11:53:08 ...you could actually watch the J6 hearings, they are all about Trump's efforts to overthrow the gov't... & no, you don't have to take Liz or any other committee members word for it, tons of testimony (almost all from Trump-voting R's & Trump's own people), docs, etc (plus he was clearly doing it even publicly...)
Rugian Member	Sat Sep 07 11:56:52 tumbleweed And I'm telling you that one riot does not cause someone to make a complete 180 on all of her political positions. If that was a case, then the BLM/Antifa riots of 2020 would have turned you into a complete stone-hearted conservative. Welcome brother!
Rugian Member	Sat Sep 07 11:59:25 The BLM/Antifa riots which, by the way, were (by any objective measure) orders of multitude more damaging to this country than the events of 1/6/21.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Sep 07 12:22:28 "And I'm telling you that one riot..." it.wasnt.about.the.riot. (or at least not -just- about it, he definitely incited it) he's criminally charged, read that indictment... (not about the riot) "If that was a case, then the BLM/Antifa riots of 2020..." it wasn't about the riot... but those riots weren't about D vs R... in fact Trump doing well w/ black men, so it's now somewhat your side's riots (by your interpretation)...
obaminated Member	Sat Sep 07 12:43:55 Is the left trumpeting this endorsement? Not only is Cheney pretty irrelevant politically he is the guy the left viewed as the devil during the gwb days.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Sep 07 12:47:13 answer: do you believe Trump (& his cult) will accept a loss in November? if you give an honest one, you see why any principled person can't support Trump (& if claiming other side won't either, do you think Kamala won't (beyond standard legit challenges)? what indication do you have of this...)
obaminated Member	Sat Sep 07 13:31:42 You realize Hillary still thinks she won in 2016 right? Trumps entire presidency was considered stolen by the left.
Byron Member	Sat Sep 07 13:40:02 "Is the left trumpeting this endorsement? Not only is Cheney pretty irrelevant politically he is the guy the left viewed as the devil during the gwb days." And the 'devil' thinks the orangutan is a threat to democracy. "You realize Hillary still thinks she won in 2016 right? Trumps entire presidency was considered stolen by the left." Funny, didn't see much bumper stickers, or political talking heads run up a campaign how Trump wasn't their president, etc, etc.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Sep 07 14:40:55 Hillary didn't try to overthrow the gov't Trump did i don't understand why this hugely massive difference is so difficult to recognize or do you stupidly think Trump did nothing but normal legal court challenges? your whole side remains completely blind to his actions for some reason
murder Member	Sat Sep 07 15:01:20 "The BLM/Antifa riots which, by the way, were (by any objective measure) orders of multitude more damaging to this country than the events of 1/6/21." Yeah, burning some cars and looting some department stores is more damaging to the country than trying to overthrow the government, murder multiple elected officials, and installing a dictator.
murder Member	Sat Sep 07 15:03:49 "You realize Hillary still thinks she won in 2016 right? Trumps entire presidency was considered stolen by the left." Did she send an armed angry mob to the Capitol to stop the certification of the 2016 presidential election?
obaminated Member	Sat Sep 07 20:28:52 Did trump send an armed angry mob to the capitol?
murder Member	Sun Sep 08 11:58:22 Yes, he did. And he promised to join them. And then he bitched out. Not really though, because he never intended to go so he wouldn't hang if it failed.
mexicantardnado Member	Sun Sep 08 12:39:55 Jan 6 didn't happen it was a tour to see the capital and trump never mentioned in anyway he would be right there with him -mtard
Forwyn Member	Mon Sep 09 11:15:53 "You realize Hillary still thinks she won in 2016 right? Trumps entire presidency was considered stolen by the left." Boomer Democrats still cry about 2000.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Sep 09 11:31:17 with good reason yet Gore didn't try to overthrow the gov't Trump was criminally charged for it... do you think everything in the indictment could've applied to Hillary or Gore? (not that your side capable of reading or learning anything about it... but NO, not a single thing could be...) has anything at all come out refuting the claims in it? (again your side incapable of even discussing it so, no... but obviously they -would- discuss it if they had a defense)
Randal Graves Member	Mon Sep 09 12:16:14 "Boomer Democrats still cry about 2000." Collectively speaking, no one is crying. This is just a poor attempt to deflect that you have a fuckhead candidate still bitching about the myth of fraudulent elections. Fucking magatwatdickfacefucktwat
Rugian Member	Mon Sep 09 12:50:00 Look dude. You can repeat that lie as many times as you want, it doesn't make it any more true. Overthrowing the US government would be a herculean effort that would require a full-scale purge of all government departments, war with the military and local police (who basically double as a paramilitary unit), clamping down on the dozen of state governments that would refuse to go along with your plan, and likely civil war as millions of Americans tell you to fuck off. In other words, it's basically impossible unless you have the full backing of senior civil and military leaders. Sending a bunch of *unarmed* yahoos to storm the Capitol for a few hours was never going to result in the overthrow of the government. Let's say they managed to destroy the electoral ballots; too bad, there were multiple spare versions in the states. Let's say they managed to capture one or more congressman...and then what? Force them to vote against certification? Do you understand how idiotic that is? Democratic politicians would prefer getting raped to death over ever voting for the orange man. Even in the impossible scenario that the rioters *somehow* managed to vote for slates of pro-Trump electors, it would clearly have been done under duress; Congress would immediately repudiate the results, the courts would immediately intervene, and riots and demonstrations would break out all across the country. It would *never* have been an enforceable decision. January 6 was a riot, and it was a bad event for certain. But an overthrow of the government? Absolutely not.
Rugian Member	Mon Sep 09 12:52:10 Anyway, congrats, your girl got the endorsement of an evil war criminal who sacrificed American lives and prestige to increase Halliburton profits. Enjoy pretending that you didn't absolutely hate the guy for the majority of the 2000s.
Rugian Member	Mon Sep 09 12:58:23 75,000,000 million gun owners in this country, the majority of whom lean conservative, and not one of them showed up on January 6. It's almost like January 6 wasn't supposed to be an attempted overthrow of the government. Because that would be retarded.
Rugian Member	Mon Sep 09 13:11:22 I'm sorry, I'm just so sick of the blatant fabrication by the left on what happened that day. What do you think was the actual endgame, honestly? Did Trump believe that all he had to do is send a bunch of obese 50 year olds to cajole Congress into declaring him president, and then he would just get to be president for the next four years? Did the guy who was the literal head of the entire executive branch believe things would just work out like that? Fucking asinine, all of this shit. Stop acting like J6 was on par with 9/11 or Pearl Harbor. It just wasn't, and clearly most voters agree, because they don't treat it as the single most important event of their lives.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Sep 09 13:50:28 "Sending a bunch of *unarmed* yahoos to storm the Capitol for a few hours was never going to result in the overthrow of the government. " i'm concerned about the mental health of every Trump supporter... for the nth time, IT WAS NOT THE RIOT HE TRIED TO OVERTHROW THE GOVT WITHOUT THE RIOT EVERY SINGLE FUCKING CRIMINAL CHARGE IS ABOUT THAT AND ***NOT*** THE RIOT
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Sep 09 13:52:51 ...plus he's doing his undermining shit of mass fraud claims already (of course... ZERO surprise to anyone...) laying the groundwork to again try w/ whatever chaos & cultist allies to do so again if necessary (& he's worked very hard to get loyalists elected at all levels of govt)
RugianLovesTheCock Member	Mon Sep 09 15:07:59 All those cocks storming the capital and it didn't turn Rugina on?
Byron Member	Mon Sep 09 15:11:41 "January 6 was a riot, and it was a bad event for certain. But an overthrow of the government? Absolutely not." Except those who were caught in a network of discord, telegram, and other platforms planning to take over while the riot was occurring, which was part of the plan, invoked, inspired, by Trump. Ya know, the cache of weapons, explosives and such. But of course in your world, this never exited and was made up. Ya know Oath Keepers just a friendly social club to get together and "talk" about taking over the government, NOT actually doing it.
Byron Member	Mon Sep 09 15:16:10 http://en....from%20across%20the%20country. Nothing to see here folks. This was just a tour, a 3 hour tour.
Randal Graves Member	Mon Sep 09 15:38:17 "Fucking asinine, all of this shit. Stop acting like J6 was on par with 9/11 or Pearl Harbor. It just wasn't, and clearly most voters agree, because they don't treat it as the single most important event of their lives." Well, when comes to trumptwats...no they don't they still think it was a patriotic move, at Trumps insistence. And you're just as much as part of the cult too.
Jesse Malcolm Barack Member	Mon Sep 09 17:10:46 " Stop acting like J6 was on par with 9/11 or Pearl Harbor." Dude Jan 6th was done by home grown terrorists, the other 2 were done by foreigners
murder Member	Mon Sep 09 19:51:50 Pearl Harbor was no threat to our democracy. The Japanese weren't trying to overthrow our government.
Turtle Crawler Admin	Mon Sep 09 21:10:05 I guess he wants Trump to win
obaminated Member	Mon Sep 09 21:36:06 This stupid and highlights how the left exaggerates January 6th. Everyone remembers where they were when 911 happened. No one fucking remembers where they were or what they were doing when "our democracy was nearly toppled".
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Sep 09 22:04:00 why does Trump hate Gov Kemp? smearing him for years & trying to primary him, even spending PAC cash on the race when he hardly ever spent on anyone but himself (& no, Kemp never attacked Trump, he knows how to stay in the cult, he stayed quiet & just took it)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Sep 09 22:08:07 also... why does the cult hate Pence?
mexicantardnado Member	Tue Sep 10 00:23:13 Homegrown terrorism doesn't exist, no one was arrested for sedatcious conspiracy. No one knows what Jan 6th is. Trump talks about it all the time. Talks about about pardons on Jan 6th, but Jan 6th did happen because no one remembers. -mtard
murder Member	Tue Sep 10 10:58:15 "No one fucking remembers where they were or what they were doing when "our democracy was nearly toppled"." Actually I do remember. I'm pretty sure everyone does.
Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Fri Sep 27 13:43:13 Most people were shocked by Jan 6 difference is that most Republicans found ways to justify it.
obaminated Member	Fri Sep 27 14:09:18 Let's see if you still remember in 20 years.
Rugian Member	Fri Sep 27 14:17:10 Liz Cheney only cares about January 6 because it affected her personally. Notice how she never complains about the BLM/Antifa riots, even though those were far more destructive by any objective measure...why should she care if some guy in Minneapolis lost his livelihood to a bunch of arsonists? It didn't happen to her, so fuck it. She's the definition of a selfish empathy-free bitch. And she's on your side now. Congratulations.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Sep 27 14:26:08 or she notices Trump is corrupting & destroying her party & the country... & is a threat due to his ignorance & mental illnesses & lawlessness...
Rugian Member	Fri Sep 27 14:40:39 tumbleweed the wanderer Fri Sep 27 14:26:08 "or she notices Trump is corrupting & destroying her party" The stupid slag spent the last year of her time in Congress voting for leftist bills like gun control, fag marriage, spending blowouts, contraceptive access, and plebiscite a on Puerto Rican statehood...shit that has NOTHING to do with Trump. She left the party, the party never left her. She was a fake conservative the entire time. "& is a threat due to his ignorance & mental illnesses & lawlessness..." And Harris and her team would be a much bigger threat because they could actually succeed in pushing their agenda through, including nuking the filibuster, Senate packing, Supreme Court packing, federalizing elections, weaponing the DOJ against Republicans, etc...
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Sep 27 16:07:12 some pretty irrational fears in there... plus your side claims Kamala is in charge now & responsible for everything, yet didn't do those things... anyway, it's very easy to see why Liz Cheney would find Trump a greater threat since he actually has done the things she fears & gives every indication he will continue to do so plus see the heaps of other Rs who also agree with Liz... including multiple members of Trump's own administration (more than the number of members who actually support him... crazy to be the case, yet it is as he is so fucking awful)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Sep 27 16:12:10 ...and it's pretty fucking obvious which side wants to weaponize the DOJ (& was doing it while in office)... no indication Biden or Kamala doing anything... Trump constantly calling for criminal charges over numerous foes, w/ no actual crimes committed (including today against Google over a fairly meaningless study) & while in office, pressuring the heads of the DOJ to lie about mass voter fraud & recommend swing states vote to change electors & give him the win & thus end democracy... (& was in process of installing an AG who would do it when they refused, reversing course only at last moment when mass resignation threats in whole dept issued)
Rugian Member	Fri Sep 27 16:13:11 "plus your side claims Kamala is in charge now & responsible for everything, yet didn't do those things..." Only because Manchin and Sinema prevented the other 48 senators from voting for that stuff. And they're both gone after this year. "plus see the heaps of other Rs who also agree with Liz..." Primarily neocons who were only in the party because they wanted to bomb ragheads. Don't you think it unusual how many of these "Republicans" like Bill Kristol and Jennifer Rubin claim to have left the party because of Trump, but then they also completely transform their positions on political issues and sound no different than a Democrat when they discuss policy? If their problem was ONLY with Trump, why would that be happening?
Rugian Member	Fri Sep 27 16:15:50 "plus your side claims Kamala is in charge now & responsible for everything" Well to be fair to me, the current President of the United States also claimed that: "BIDEN: "As Vice President, there wasn't a single thing that I did that she couldn't do and so I was able to delegate her responsibility on everything from foreign policy to domestic policy." Sep 25, 2024" http://x.com/Breaking911/status/1838991936809484568
kargen Member	Fri Sep 27 17:29:34 The funny thing is President Biden thinks that statement is going to help VP Harris.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Sep 27 17:49:05 "then they also completely transform their positions on political issues and sound no different than a Democrat" how does that apply to the Cheneys, or Mike Pence (his VP), or Bill Barr (his AG), or Mark Esper (his SecDef), or John Kelly (his CoS), or Mitt Romney, or so many others why can't you just admit & accept Trump has extreme problems before you ever can get to policy positions
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Sep 27 17:53:43 & do you actually think all those R's would be against DeSantis if he had won the nomination? so yes, it's about Trump & his massive unfitness & lawlessness, it's very very very easy to understand, i assure you
murder Member	Fri Sep 27 18:05:16 DeSantis is equally as criminal as Trump.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Sep 27 19:07:45 he got a bit squirrely w/ Disney & fake meat but no obvious criminal acts (like Trump) that i'm aware of & R's don't even offer defenses for Trump's crimes as they know he's guilty
murder Member	Sun Sep 29 16:52:45 He used state funds to traffic immigrants from Texas to other states. He's is currently using state funds to try to defeat a constitutional amendment on the ballot this election. He used state funds to intimidate voters who supported amendment 4. This included having political operatives accompanied by law enforcement with the voters file in hand. He has declared himself immune to anti-election interference laws. He threatened to rewrite state law to make sure that Donald Trump could vote even if convicted and sentenced. He rewrote Florida law to allow clergy into Florida public schools and asserted that Satanism isn't a religion and Satanists clergy weren't eligible. Ron DeSantis is every bit as awful as Donald Trump. The only difference between the two is that DeSantis isn't yet selling NFTs.
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