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Paramount
Member Thu Oct 10 15:56:00
The meeting in Ramstein where Zelenskyj was to present his Victory Plan has been cancelled. Apparently, neither Biden or anyone else in Biden’s administration have the time to go.

The follow up peace conference in november is also having problems. No country has agreed to host it yet and I hear that this peace summit have also been cancelled now because of it.

Are everyone giving up on Ukraine now? Has the Americans thrown Zelenskyj and the Ukrainians under the bus?

Forwyn
Member Thu Oct 10 22:39:53
Lol. Zelensky goes to beg to use weapons that multiple nations have donated identical iterations of, in the way that he wants, and receives different answers from every single donator.

Over land that neither leader has been to, while ignoring the will of the people that live there.

Hopefully the ocean-dwelling UFO's nuke our stupid asses

Turtle Crawler
Admin Thu Oct 17 15:01:26
Turns out his victory plan is world war 3.

murder
Member Thu Oct 17 18:59:47

So what? We're 2-0 in world wars. :o)

jergul
large member Wed Nov 06 11:07:14
I dont think Trump will cut off aid to Ukraine.

First off, it is Congress that authorizes spending. Secondly, any authorization feeds the MIC. I dont think Trump ever saw corporate charity he did not love. Never mind the spectacle of distribution.

So it is better to talk about what we think Congress will be doing in terms of funding, not what Trump will do as he will dispense what Congress stipulates.

murder
Member Wed Nov 06 13:44:40

The GOP obeys Trump. And Trump wipes his ass with Congress. And in the odd event that anyone challenges his authority, the judiciary is in his pocket.

The US government is now a one man freak show.

Cherub Cow
Member Wed Nov 06 13:49:06
Lol

Rugian
Member Wed Nov 06 14:23:07
Jergul

The beauty of the law is that it's so complex that you can basically find *a* relevant statute to do whatever the hell you want.

If Biden can withhold congressionally-authorized military aid to Israel because reasons, then surely Trump can do the same with Ukraine.

jergul
large member Wed Nov 06 14:45:28
Murder
I know that. But the sweet, sweet MIC money, the spectacle of handouts, the joy of turning federal debt into corporate profit.

Using Congress as a yardstick is a Congress impacted by whatever Trump wants. It is the bellweather we should be watching.

Ruggy
I know Trump can choose the not spend debt financed federal money. It just seems so out of character. See the point I made for murder to see if my line of thinking is clearer.

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Paramount Member	Thu Oct 10 15:56:00 The meeting in Ramstein where Zelenskyj was to present his Victory Plan has been cancelled. Apparently, neither Biden or anyone else in Biden’s administration have the time to go. The follow up peace conference in november is also having problems. No country has agreed to host it yet and I hear that this peace summit have also been cancelled now because of it. Are everyone giving up on Ukraine now? Has the Americans thrown Zelenskyj and the Ukrainians under the bus?
Forwyn Member	Thu Oct 10 22:39:53 Lol. Zelensky goes to beg to use weapons that multiple nations have donated identical iterations of, in the way that he wants, and receives different answers from every single donator. Over land that neither leader has been to, while ignoring the will of the people that live there. Hopefully the ocean-dwelling UFO's nuke our stupid asses
Turtle Crawler Admin	Thu Oct 17 15:01:26 Turns out his victory plan is world war 3.
murder Member	Thu Oct 17 18:59:47 So what? We're 2-0 in world wars. :o)
jergul large member	Wed Nov 06 11:07:14 I dont think Trump will cut off aid to Ukraine. First off, it is Congress that authorizes spending. Secondly, any authorization feeds the MIC. I dont think Trump ever saw corporate charity he did not love. Never mind the spectacle of distribution. So it is better to talk about what we think Congress will be doing in terms of funding, not what Trump will do as he will dispense what Congress stipulates.
murder Member	Wed Nov 06 13:44:40 The GOP obeys Trump. And Trump wipes his ass with Congress. And in the odd event that anyone challenges his authority, the judiciary is in his pocket. The US government is now a one man freak show.
Cherub Cow Member	Wed Nov 06 13:49:06 Lol
Rugian Member	Wed Nov 06 14:23:07 Jergul The beauty of the law is that it's so complex that you can basically find a relevant statute to do whatever the hell you want. If Biden can withhold congressionally-authorized military aid to Israel because reasons, then surely Trump can do the same with Ukraine.
jergul large member	Wed Nov 06 14:45:28 Murder I know that. But the sweet, sweet MIC money, the spectacle of handouts, the joy of turning federal debt into corporate profit. Using Congress as a yardstick is a Congress impacted by whatever Trump wants. It is the bellweather we should be watching. Ruggy I know Trump can choose the not spend debt financed federal money. It just seems so out of character. See the point I made for murder to see if my line of thinking is clearer.
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