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murder
Member Thu Oct 17 08:13:58
CNN - Israel’s military is investigating whether Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar was killed in a strike during operations in the Gaza strip.

“During IDF operations in the Gaza Strip, three terrorists were eliminated. The IDF and ISA are checking the possibility that one of the terrorists was Yahya Sinwar. At this stage, the identity of the terrorists cannot be confirmed,” the Israel Defense Forces said in a statement.

Sinwar is the most significant Hamas figure still at large, and Israel considers him the “mastermind” of the deadly October 7 attacks that triggered Israel’s ground invasion of Gaza.

He has not been seen in public since the Hamas attacks and is thought to have been hiding in the vast network of tunnels worming their way under Gaza.

Sam Adams
Member Thu Oct 17 08:31:05
It does look like him. Except deader. Lol sorry seb, mountme

Sam Adams
Member Thu Oct 17 08:35:45
Its him. Teeth and moles match.

Some israeli sokdier is getting a little talking to for leaking these photos lol.

Rugian
Member Thu Oct 17 08:40:25
Prepare for the MSM's mourning for an "austere religious scholar."

Nimatzo
iChihuaha Thu Oct 17 10:01:15
Praised be Hashem.

obaminated
Member Thu Oct 17 12:44:38
It's not a good time to be an Islamic terrorist in the general vicinity of Israel.

Im better then you
2012 UP Football Champ Thu Oct 17 13:56:13
Wow they actually killed an actual terrorist and not some random school child. So they can end the war now right?

Rugian
Member Thu Oct 17 14:12:08
You fucking idiot.

murder
Member Thu Oct 17 14:26:33

"Wow they actually killed an actual terrorist and not some random school child."

Lets not jump the gun. I'm sure this guy was feeding Gaza war orphans when they got him.

Im better then you
2012 UP Football Champ Thu Oct 17 15:24:21
Looks like this was an accident according to Israel he was in a tunnel encircled with hostages and body guards.

obaminated
Member Thu Oct 17 15:34:32
Yes, they didn't mean to kill the head of hamas. Good call ibty.

kargen
Member Thu Oct 17 16:01:18
Oh they were looking for him and meant to kill him. They just didn't know he was at that location so his dying was an added bonus. They saw some dead terrorist laying there and said hey you know who this guy looks like. And sure enough...

Sam Adams
Member Thu Oct 17 17:15:49
Sinwars bodyguard who died next to him was a member of the un.

Respect the un!!! Cries france, ireland, seb and other cucks.

Hrothgar
Member Thu Oct 17 18:06:32
Holy fuck the militant Islamic corruption of the UN regarding that part of the world runs deep.

I wonder when Hamas can be officially considered destroyed? I wouldn't have thought that was really possible before the events of this last year involving Israel breaking all commonly acceptable levels of violence against an enemy force hiding with civilians.

Seems like there is a real chance the only version of it possible now is a reboot, because the current version that started a war against Israel is gone.

obaminated
Member Thu Oct 17 18:17:30
Is it confirmed that his bodyguard was working for the UN?

Nimatzo
iChihuaha Thu Oct 17 22:52:32
Hrothgar
yOu cAnT kiLL aN iDeA!!

Seb
Member Fri Oct 18 02:04:01
Sam:

"was a member of the un."

There are only 193 members of the United nations.

Perhaps you mean employee? Yes, many terrorists and spies have cover jobs.

Nimatzo
iChihuaha Fri Oct 18 02:05:59
Defund the UN.

Seb
Member Fri Oct 18 02:06:17
Hrothgar:

Theseus's ship. You can change all the timbers... and say it's no longer the ship Theseus sailed on. But it's still a ship.

As long as there's thousands of war orphans you'll find people willing to slaughter people of the country that made them so.

Seb
Member Fri Oct 18 02:06:52
Nim:

Found a Swedish terrorist. Nuke Sweden.

Nimatzo
iChihuaha Fri Oct 18 02:16:54
Totally the same thing.

Nimatzo
iChihuaha Fri Oct 18 02:20:38
I will not give money to the homeless because some of them use it to buy drugs.
-Nimatzo

I will kill all the homeless because some of them are criminals.
-seb

How many times have I said that seb is morally confused? It’s not that he believe in what he said, but he really believes it was an appropriate rebuttal. I just got owned. To the max.

murder
Member Fri Oct 18 05:49:18

"As long as there's thousands of war orphans you'll find people willing to slaughter people of the country that made them so."

So what you're saying is ...

Paramount
Member Fri Oct 18 08:41:03
” Defund the UN”

Is there a petition we can sign? The UN and the international judicial bodies and all the international laws has played out its roles. It was a valiant attempt but it no longer work.

murder
Member Fri Oct 18 09:09:45

"Is there a petition we can sign? The UN and the international judicial bodies and all the international laws has played out its roles. It was a valiant attempt but it no longer work."

It never did. The UN was always a vehicle for the strong to sanitize the actions they took to keep the weak in line. It gave an air of legitimacy to the strong imposing their will on the weak.

There's a reason there's a security council, and there's a reason that you aren't one of the permanent members.

Sam Adams
Member Fri Oct 18 09:46:15
"Israel breaking all commonly acceptable levels of violence against an enemy force hiding with civilians."

More like a return to values that were acceptable 70 years or more ago.

And lol seb why do they all end up working for unwra?

jergul
large member Fri Oct 18 09:53:05
In 2022, where do you think there were more combat related deaths? In Ukraine or in the Tigray region of Ethiopia?

Point is. The UN is very successful. It is however not absolutely successful.

But sure, if Israel and its main sponsor what to take on the full cost and risk of providing for civilians in Gaza (to name one example) instead of using UN organizations for that, then be my guest.

murder
Member Fri Oct 18 10:11:57

Sorry but we only US friendly terrorists.

murder
Member Fri Oct 18 11:02:12
Sorry but we only fund* US friendly terrorists.

Seb
Member Fri Oct 18 11:25:40
Sam:

Simple answer: They don't. But obviously infiltrating the one organisations that can freely move across the border is a priority.

And that risk is one reason why UNWRA submits all employees details to Israel to vet. Something Israel forgets to mention. It's almost like the reason they want to shut UNWRA down is because they want to exclusively control aid flows into Gaza to help ensure conditions are not amenable to habitation and drive depopulation in the way that's both entirely consistent with numerous other policies, their targeting strategy during this conflict, and the various statements the ruling party members have said during the campaign, ABC that the current cabinet have said previously while out of office.

jergul
large member Fri Oct 18 11:52:08
"Sorry but we only fund* US friendly terrorists."

Such a blatant lie.

Sam Adams
Member Fri Oct 18 13:14:43
"And that risk is one reason why UNWRA submits all employees details to Israel to vet."

Ya thats a lie.

"because they want to exclusively control weapon flows into Gaza"

There fixed that for you.

AND even if israel did expel or exterminate gaza, they would be justified in doing so at this point.

The fact that israel is not doing so, goes to show how nice they are.

Forwyn
Member Fri Oct 18 13:52:32
"As long as there's Muslims* you'll find people willing to slaughter non-Muslims*."

ftfy

Sam Adams
Member Fri Oct 18 15:33:28
Remember when dems/leftists/sebs everywhere told israel not to go into rafah, where sinwar was killed?

Sam Adams
Member Fri Oct 18 15:41:01
“Any major military operation in Gaza would be a huge mistake,” US Vice President Kamala Harris told ABC News in an interview aired Sunday.

Seb
Member Sat Oct 19 04:21:14
Sam:

http://www...o-hamas-bias-palestine-israel/

"Prior to employment, staff are screened for criminal records while their names are run through Clear-Check, a UN database that holds details on people sanctioned against working for the organisation.
...
UNRWA’s staff lists are also shared with host countries, including Israel, for review."

Seb
Member Sat Oct 19 04:21:28
This also applies to contractors.

Seb
Member Sat Oct 19 04:22:09
If Israel can't identify terrorists in the staff lists, why do we expect UNWRA to be able to do so?

Seb
Member Sat Oct 19 04:28:46
Sam:

"weapon flows"

Nope, they *specifically* limit the amount of humanitarian aid including food and water.

Your own govt has repeatedly taken them to task about this.

You have to be pretty stupid at this point not to realise this.

The guys in charge have long spoken about how to depopulate gaza so as to colonize it, by making it unlivable by reducing access to food, water, shelter and destroying infrastructure.

And here they are, now in power, doing exactly that, blowing up water treatment plants *after* they've cleared them. Blowing up and bulldozing schools, hospitals, residential areas etc *after* they've cleared them, blocking humanitarian aid being shipped in by the US, killing humanitarian aid workers (which they've even belatedly been forced to discipline military commanders under US pressure because they got caught with no way to justify it as a reasonable mistake) and dropping bombs on areas they themselves designated as safe.

And as they do so, their own party, which they run, is having a conference on how to settle gaza.

It doesn't take a genius to see what is going on here.

This isn't about destroying Hamas, it's about a genocide: a crime committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, in whole or in part.

murder
Member Sat Oct 19 04:36:14

Don't piss off the 800 lbs gorilla.

Don't get into a shooting war and then hide behind your women and children.

Don't Hamas.

Rugian
Member Sat Oct 19 04:44:26
"This isn't about destroying Hamas, it's about a genocide: a crime committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, in whole or in part."

The absolute hypocrisy of an Arabist to make this statement about Israel...the last country in the Middle East to still have a sizable Jewish population. Why is that again exactly?

http://en....h_exodus_from_the_Muslim_world

Israel has an absolute right to defend itself against fundamentalist terrorists who refuse to stop their attacks on Jews until they have succeeded in destroying the Jewish state. In the face of such an absolutist enemy, absolute measures to protect the lives and property of Jews are justified. It's as simple as that.

Next time don't side with literal evil Seb.

Seb
Member Sat Oct 19 09:26:25
Right to defend yourself doesn't extend to ethnic cleansing.

Just as right to armed resistance doesn't extend to raping teenagers.

If you adopt Rugian and murders perspectives, there's nothing wrong with Hamas in the first place.

Rugian
Member Sat Oct 19 09:35:49
42,000 Gazans have been killed by their Hamas rulers hiding behind them. Most of those deaths moreover occurred in the initial stages of Israel's campaign of self-defense.

Gaza's total population is north of 2.1 million.

If this is ethnic cleansing, this is the sorriest attempt of it I've ever soon. Cool it with the hyperbole Sebapoo.

jergul
large member Sat Oct 19 11:18:23
Backtracking to the Hotel David bombing and other associated terror acts by the IDF and its predecessors including systematic ethnic cleansing in those early years, would it not be truer to say that the Palestinians are defending themselves against the perpetrators of crimes against humanity in all their variations?

I agree that this is entirely sustainable for Israel for as long as the US is willing to pay for it. As the sum of government net deficits is now about equal to the sum of US home mortages. It literally is a second mortgage for you, so I get why you are trying to enjoy it Ruggy.

Sam Adams
Member Sat Oct 19 11:40:20
"Right to defend yourself doesn't extend to ethnic cleansing."

After a while it does. If the gazans never learn to behave, and are always violent, after repeated efforts, israel can morally get rid of them.

"Your own govt has repeatedly taken them to task about this."

Lol if you are going to appeal to authority in place of actual evidence, can you at least choose a competent authority?

Seb
Member Sat Oct 19 16:05:57
Rugian:

That's the number directly killed. Deaths by starvation and disease is much higher.

And these will continue because Israel is blocking most humanitarian efforts, continuing to force civilian population (Almost all of which are displaced) to keep moving while bombing them.

Israel still has no plans regarding what to do about this, but it is developing plans to settle Gaza, while also claiming it needs to displace the Arab population from huge chunks of it for security.

Doesn't it strike you as odd to claim you need a depopulated buffer zone to protect Israel while also planning to move your citizens into this buffer zone next to the supposed threat?

Don't you think it's odd to be arguing it's impossible to plan humanitarian relief, while planning residential settlements?

Seb
Member Sat Oct 19 16:06:44
Sam:

"After a while it does"

Stop justifying Hamas and Hezbollah's attacks on civilians Sam. It's disgusting.

jergul
large member Sat Oct 19 16:10:04
Seb
I posted the Lancet link in the other thread. 12:1 is the general formula if civilian evacuation is impossible.

Sam Adams
Member Sun Oct 20 11:15:09
Except israel has behaved about 80,000 times better. Seb you dunce. You can't genocide good people but you can genocide bad people.

Seb
Member Sun Oct 20 12:26:56
Sam:

Literally the first thing the groups that set out to create Israel did was massacre a a bunch of civilians and drive the rest from their homes; after waging a terrorist campaign against the UN authorised administration.

And the first thing the state of Israel did was elect one of the terrorists that did this.

Sam Adams
Member Sun Oct 20 13:46:49
Literally everything you just said was in response to muslim attacks first.

Rugian
Member Sun Oct 20 13:58:12
Sam Adams
Member Sun Oct 20 13:46:49
Literally everything you just said was in response to muslim attacks first.

Yup. AKA an appropriate punishment for a people who waged a war of aggression and lost.

This is what the Sebs of the world don't understand...starting and losing a war is supposed to have consequences.

Rugian
Member Sun Oct 20 14:26:56
As for jergul and his 12:1 bullshit...

I think it'd be major international news if 1/4th of the entire Gazan population was dead. With the amount of pro-Hamas propagandists out there, that shit would be pushed nonstop if it was at all credible.

It's been a while since we've made fun of jergulmaths, so thanks for the fresh material.

Sam Adams
Member Sun Oct 20 16:05:33
Seb doesnt believe in consequences... thats why he imports millions of criminals and calls for no punishment for criminals(except in the rare cases they are white men).

Its simply retarded.

Seb
Member Sun Oct 20 16:19:36
Sam:

Nope, the Deir Yassin Massacre was against a village that had agreed a non aggression pact with Jewish groups before intervention by the other Arab states.

Haganah and Irgun attacks were occurring in '46 against Palestinian Arabs as well as the British in '46 - dynamiting houses of Palestinian figures.

Even the first attacks on Jews after the UN resolution were stated as retaliation after killings by the Stern gang.

If you want to look at who started terrorist attacks, it was definitely the Jewish groups - and they were going for ethnic cleansing from very early in the war, including shit like poisoning village wells.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cast_Thy_Bread

Seb
Member Sun Oct 20 16:21:38
Rugian:

A war of aggression where a group of people, largely immigrants, enter your country and unilaterally declare independence and assert sovereignty over your land an d you don't immediately surrender to them?

Seb
Member Sun Oct 20 16:22:54
And what did Israel do, it elected the leaders of the terrorist groups to form its first government.

Rugian
Member Sun Oct 20 16:55:05
"enter your country"

It. Wasn't. Their. Country.

Sam Adams
Member Sun Oct 20 17:43:55

"A war of aggression where a group of people, largely immigrants, enter your country and unilaterally declare independence and assert sovereignty over your land an d you don't immediately surrender to them?"

Seb is doing this to his own country right now, thats the funny part.

Sam Adams
Member Sun Oct 20 17:49:47
Making up stuff about 1946 isnt going to stop your hamas friends from being slaughtered today seb. We have all seen muslims being the agressor every moment our entire lives... why do you possibly try to lie about something so obvious?

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murder Member	Thu Oct 17 08:13:58 CNN - Israel’s military is investigating whether Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar was killed in a strike during operations in the Gaza strip. “During IDF operations in the Gaza Strip, three terrorists were eliminated. The IDF and ISA are checking the possibility that one of the terrorists was Yahya Sinwar. At this stage, the identity of the terrorists cannot be confirmed,” the Israel Defense Forces said in a statement. Sinwar is the most significant Hamas figure still at large, and Israel considers him the “mastermind” of the deadly October 7 attacks that triggered Israel’s ground invasion of Gaza. He has not been seen in public since the Hamas attacks and is thought to have been hiding in the vast network of tunnels worming their way under Gaza.
Sam Adams Member	Thu Oct 17 08:31:05 It does look like him. Except deader. Lol sorry seb, mountme
Sam Adams Member	Thu Oct 17 08:35:45 Its him. Teeth and moles match. Some israeli sokdier is getting a little talking to for leaking these photos lol.
Rugian Member	Thu Oct 17 08:40:25 Prepare for the MSM's mourning for an "austere religious scholar."
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Oct 17 10:01:15 Praised be Hashem.
obaminated Member	Thu Oct 17 12:44:38 It's not a good time to be an Islamic terrorist in the general vicinity of Israel.
Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Thu Oct 17 13:56:13 Wow they actually killed an actual terrorist and not some random school child. So they can end the war now right?
Rugian Member	Thu Oct 17 14:12:08 You fucking idiot.
murder Member	Thu Oct 17 14:26:33 "Wow they actually killed an actual terrorist and not some random school child." Lets not jump the gun. I'm sure this guy was feeding Gaza war orphans when they got him.
Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Thu Oct 17 15:24:21 Looks like this was an accident according to Israel he was in a tunnel encircled with hostages and body guards.
obaminated Member	Thu Oct 17 15:34:32 Yes, they didn't mean to kill the head of hamas. Good call ibty.
kargen Member	Thu Oct 17 16:01:18 Oh they were looking for him and meant to kill him. They just didn't know he was at that location so his dying was an added bonus. They saw some dead terrorist laying there and said hey you know who this guy looks like. And sure enough...
Sam Adams Member	Thu Oct 17 17:15:49 Sinwars bodyguard who died next to him was a member of the un. Respect the un!!! Cries france, ireland, seb and other cucks.
Hrothgar Member	Thu Oct 17 18:06:32 Holy fuck the militant Islamic corruption of the UN regarding that part of the world runs deep. I wonder when Hamas can be officially considered destroyed? I wouldn't have thought that was really possible before the events of this last year involving Israel breaking all commonly acceptable levels of violence against an enemy force hiding with civilians. Seems like there is a real chance the only version of it possible now is a reboot, because the current version that started a war against Israel is gone.
obaminated Member	Thu Oct 17 18:17:30 Is it confirmed that his bodyguard was working for the UN?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Oct 17 22:52:32 Hrothgar yOu cAnT kiLL aN iDeA!!
Seb Member	Fri Oct 18 02:04:01 Sam: "was a member of the un." There are only 193 members of the United nations. Perhaps you mean employee? Yes, many terrorists and spies have cover jobs.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Oct 18 02:05:59 Defund the UN.
Seb Member	Fri Oct 18 02:06:17 Hrothgar: Theseus's ship. You can change all the timbers... and say it's no longer the ship Theseus sailed on. But it's still a ship. As long as there's thousands of war orphans you'll find people willing to slaughter people of the country that made them so.
Seb Member	Fri Oct 18 02:06:52 Nim: Found a Swedish terrorist. Nuke Sweden.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Oct 18 02:16:54 Totally the same thing.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Oct 18 02:20:38 I will not give money to the homeless because some of them use it to buy drugs. -Nimatzo I will kill all the homeless because some of them are criminals. -seb How many times have I said that seb is morally confused? It’s not that he believe in what he said, but he really believes it was an appropriate rebuttal. I just got owned. To the max.
murder Member	Fri Oct 18 05:49:18 "As long as there's thousands of war orphans you'll find people willing to slaughter people of the country that made them so." So what you're saying is ...
Paramount Member	Fri Oct 18 08:41:03 ” Defund the UN” Is there a petition we can sign? The UN and the international judicial bodies and all the international laws has played out its roles. It was a valiant attempt but it no longer work.
murder Member	Fri Oct 18 09:09:45 "Is there a petition we can sign? The UN and the international judicial bodies and all the international laws has played out its roles. It was a valiant attempt but it no longer work." It never did. The UN was always a vehicle for the strong to sanitize the actions they took to keep the weak in line. It gave an air of legitimacy to the strong imposing their will on the weak. There's a reason there's a security council, and there's a reason that you aren't one of the permanent members.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Oct 18 09:46:15 "Israel breaking all commonly acceptable levels of violence against an enemy force hiding with civilians." More like a return to values that were acceptable 70 years or more ago. And lol seb why do they all end up working for unwra?
jergul large member	Fri Oct 18 09:53:05 In 2022, where do you think there were more combat related deaths? In Ukraine or in the Tigray region of Ethiopia? Point is. The UN is very successful. It is however not absolutely successful. But sure, if Israel and its main sponsor what to take on the full cost and risk of providing for civilians in Gaza (to name one example) instead of using UN organizations for that, then be my guest.
murder Member	Fri Oct 18 10:11:57 Sorry but we only US friendly terrorists.
murder Member	Fri Oct 18 11:02:12 *Sorry but we only fund US friendly terrorists.**
Seb Member	Fri Oct 18 11:25:40 Sam: Simple answer: They don't. But obviously infiltrating the one organisations that can freely move across the border is a priority. And that risk is one reason why UNWRA submits all employees details to Israel to vet. Something Israel forgets to mention. It's almost like the reason they want to shut UNWRA down is because they want to exclusively control aid flows into Gaza to help ensure conditions are not amenable to habitation and drive depopulation in the way that's both entirely consistent with numerous other policies, their targeting strategy during this conflict, and the various statements the ruling party members have said during the campaign, ABC that the current cabinet have said previously while out of office.
jergul large member	Fri Oct 18 11:52:08 "Sorry but we only fund* US friendly terrorists." Such a blatant lie.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Oct 18 13:14:43 "And that risk is one reason why UNWRA submits all employees details to Israel to vet." Ya thats a lie. "because they want to exclusively control weapon flows into Gaza" There fixed that for you. AND even if israel did expel or exterminate gaza, they would be justified in doing so at this point. The fact that israel is not doing so, goes to show how nice they are.
Forwyn Member	Fri Oct 18 13:52:32 "As long as there's Muslims* you'll find people willing to slaughter non-Muslims*." ftfy
Sam Adams Member	Fri Oct 18 15:33:28 Remember when dems/leftists/sebs everywhere told israel not to go into rafah, where sinwar was killed?
Sam Adams Member	Fri Oct 18 15:41:01 “Any major military operation in Gaza would be a huge mistake,” US Vice President Kamala Harris told ABC News in an interview aired Sunday.
Seb Member	Sat Oct 19 04:21:14 Sam: http://www...o-hamas-bias-palestine-israel/ "Prior to employment, staff are screened for criminal records while their names are run through Clear-Check, a UN database that holds details on people sanctioned against working for the organisation. ... UNRWA’s staff lists are also shared with host countries, including Israel, for review."
Seb Member	Sat Oct 19 04:21:28 This also applies to contractors.
Seb Member	Sat Oct 19 04:22:09 If Israel can't identify terrorists in the staff lists, why do we expect UNWRA to be able to do so?
Seb Member	Sat Oct 19 04:28:46 Sam: "weapon flows" Nope, they specifically limit the amount of humanitarian aid including food and water. Your own govt has repeatedly taken them to task about this. You have to be pretty stupid at this point not to realise this. The guys in charge have long spoken about how to depopulate gaza so as to colonize it, by making it unlivable by reducing access to food, water, shelter and destroying infrastructure. And here they are, now in power, doing exactly that, blowing up water treatment plants after they've cleared them. Blowing up and bulldozing schools, hospitals, residential areas etc after they've cleared them, blocking humanitarian aid being shipped in by the US, killing humanitarian aid workers (which they've even belatedly been forced to discipline military commanders under US pressure because they got caught with no way to justify it as a reasonable mistake) and dropping bombs on areas they themselves designated as safe. And as they do so, their own party, which they run, is having a conference on how to settle gaza. It doesn't take a genius to see what is going on here. This isn't about destroying Hamas, it's about a genocide: a crime committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, in whole or in part.
murder Member	Sat Oct 19 04:36:14 Don't piss off the 800 lbs gorilla. Don't get into a shooting war and then hide behind your women and children. Don't Hamas.
Rugian Member	Sat Oct 19 04:44:26 "This isn't about destroying Hamas, it's about a genocide: a crime committed with the intent to destroy a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, in whole or in part." The absolute hypocrisy of an Arabist to make this statement about Israel...the last country in the Middle East to still have a sizable Jewish population. Why is that again exactly? http://en....h_exodus_from_the_Muslim_world Israel has an absolute right to defend itself against fundamentalist terrorists who refuse to stop their attacks on Jews until they have succeeded in destroying the Jewish state. In the face of such an absolutist enemy, absolute measures to protect the lives and property of Jews are justified. It's as simple as that. Next time don't side with literal evil Seb.
Seb Member	Sat Oct 19 09:26:25 Right to defend yourself doesn't extend to ethnic cleansing. Just as right to armed resistance doesn't extend to raping teenagers. If you adopt Rugian and murders perspectives, there's nothing wrong with Hamas in the first place.
Rugian Member	Sat Oct 19 09:35:49 42,000 Gazans have been killed by their Hamas rulers hiding behind them. Most of those deaths moreover occurred in the initial stages of Israel's campaign of self-defense. Gaza's total population is north of 2.1 million. If this is ethnic cleansing, this is the sorriest attempt of it I've ever soon. Cool it with the hyperbole Sebapoo.
jergul large member	Sat Oct 19 11:18:23 Backtracking to the Hotel David bombing and other associated terror acts by the IDF and its predecessors including systematic ethnic cleansing in those early years, would it not be truer to say that the Palestinians are defending themselves against the perpetrators of crimes against humanity in all their variations? I agree that this is entirely sustainable for Israel for as long as the US is willing to pay for it. As the sum of government net deficits is now about equal to the sum of US home mortages. It literally is a second mortgage for you, so I get why you are trying to enjoy it Ruggy.
Sam Adams Member	Sat Oct 19 11:40:20 "Right to defend yourself doesn't extend to ethnic cleansing." After a while it does. If the gazans never learn to behave, and are always violent, after repeated efforts, israel can morally get rid of them. "Your own govt has repeatedly taken them to task about this." Lol if you are going to appeal to authority in place of actual evidence, can you at least choose a competent authority?
Seb Member	Sat Oct 19 16:05:57 Rugian: That's the number directly killed. Deaths by starvation and disease is much higher. And these will continue because Israel is blocking most humanitarian efforts, continuing to force civilian population (Almost all of which are displaced) to keep moving while bombing them. Israel still has no plans regarding what to do about this, but it is developing plans to settle Gaza, while also claiming it needs to displace the Arab population from huge chunks of it for security. Doesn't it strike you as odd to claim you need a depopulated buffer zone to protect Israel while also planning to move your citizens into this buffer zone next to the supposed threat? Don't you think it's odd to be arguing it's impossible to plan humanitarian relief, while planning residential settlements?
Seb Member	Sat Oct 19 16:06:44 Sam: "After a while it does" Stop justifying Hamas and Hezbollah's attacks on civilians Sam. It's disgusting.
jergul large member	Sat Oct 19 16:10:04 Seb I posted the Lancet link in the other thread. 12:1 is the general formula if civilian evacuation is impossible.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Oct 20 11:15:09 Except israel has behaved about 80,000 times better. Seb you dunce. You can't genocide good people but you can genocide bad people.
Seb Member	Sun Oct 20 12:26:56 Sam: Literally the first thing the groups that set out to create Israel did was massacre a a bunch of civilians and drive the rest from their homes; after waging a terrorist campaign against the UN authorised administration. And the first thing the state of Israel did was elect one of the terrorists that did this.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Oct 20 13:46:49 Literally everything you just said was in response to muslim attacks first.
Rugian Member	Sun Oct 20 13:58:12 Sam Adams Member Sun Oct 20 13:46:49 Literally everything you just said was in response to muslim attacks first. Yup. AKA an appropriate punishment for a people who waged a war of aggression and lost. This is what the Sebs of the world don't understand...starting and losing a war is supposed to have consequences.
Rugian Member	Sun Oct 20 14:26:56 As for jergul and his 12:1 bullshit... I think it'd be major international news if 1/4th of the entire Gazan population was dead. With the amount of pro-Hamas propagandists out there, that shit would be pushed nonstop if it was at all credible. It's been a while since we've made fun of jergulmaths, so thanks for the fresh material.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Oct 20 16:05:33 Seb doesnt believe in consequences... thats why he imports millions of criminals and calls for no punishment for criminals(except in the rare cases they are white men). Its simply retarded.
Seb Member	Sun Oct 20 16:19:36 Sam: Nope, the Deir Yassin Massacre was against a village that had agreed a non aggression pact with Jewish groups before intervention by the other Arab states. Haganah and Irgun attacks were occurring in '46 against Palestinian Arabs as well as the British in '46 - dynamiting houses of Palestinian figures. Even the first attacks on Jews after the UN resolution were stated as retaliation after killings by the Stern gang. If you want to look at who started terrorist attacks, it was definitely the Jewish groups - and they were going for ethnic cleansing from very early in the war, including shit like poisoning village wells. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cast_Thy_Bread
Seb Member	Sun Oct 20 16:21:38 Rugian: A war of aggression where a group of people, largely immigrants, enter your country and unilaterally declare independence and assert sovereignty over your land an d you don't immediately surrender to them?
Seb Member	Sun Oct 20 16:22:54 And what did Israel do, it elected the leaders of the terrorist groups to form its first government.
Rugian Member	Sun Oct 20 16:55:05 "enter your country" It. Wasn't. Their. Country.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Oct 20 17:43:55 "A war of aggression where a group of people, largely immigrants, enter your country and unilaterally declare independence and assert sovereignty over your land an d you don't immediately surrender to them?" Seb is doing this to his own country right now, thats the funny part.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Oct 20 17:49:47 Making up stuff about 1946 isnt going to stop your hamas friends from being slaughtered today seb. We have all seen muslims being the agressor every moment our entire lives... why do you possibly try to lie about something so obvious?
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