Utopia Talk / Politics / Stupidest result of the election

murder Member	Tue Nov 12 16:11:19 It's hard to believe, but it's NOT Donald Trump. It's the "4B movement" that randos and the media keep trying to make a thing. There's no movement. Half the population is upset, but no one is going to stop having sex. Get fucked with this bullshit!
obaminated Member	Tue Nov 12 18:31:25 I'm sure there are some women who will hold true too it. Those are the ones no man wants to fuck anyways. The others will hold true to it until they go out with their girlfriends and decide they wanna smash. Also, what happened to the whole proud to be a slut thing women were into a few years ago?
Rugian Member	Tue Nov 12 18:41:53 "After Trump’s election, women are swearing off sex with men. This has been a long time coming Cécile Simmons The rise of ‘separatist’ movements rests on the idea that when misogyny reigns supreme, a sex strike can be a feminist act Tue 12 Nov 2024 07.00 EST It only took a few hours after news of Donald Trump’s re-election for a sad spectacle to unfold online and beyond. The far-right slogan “Your body, my choice”, tweeted by white nationalist pundit and organiser Nick Fuentes, spread online and off, sparking waves of abuse against women. “You no longer have rights” was one of many similar messages addressed to women by extreme misogynist Andrew Tate, who is facing trial for rape and human trafficking charges in Romania. (He denies these charges.) Meanwhile, calls for the creation of “rape squads” emerged in far-right groups. This onslaught of violently misogynistic speech made even clearer what had already been plain to see: that too many men do not view women as people with equal dignity and rights but as inferior creatures to be coerced. And this in turn has sparked another reaction. Since Trump’s election, 4B, a South Korean-founded separatist movement of women who swear off relationships with men, has been trending on social media. This viral moment highlights a feeling that has been brewing for much longer: women’s discontent with heterosexual relationships and their anger at men’s increasingly unchecked misogyny. In recent years, male supremacist ideology has become mainstream, promoted by manosphere entrepreneurs who are thriving in the attention economy by feeding young men’s resentment towards women. As aggrieved young men have been sucked into social media bubbles, gender polarisation has followed. Boys who have grown up on a diet of misogynistic content are embracing authoritarian strongmen who court them with promises to take away women’s rights. Young women, on the other hand, increasingly favour liberal politics. South Korea’s Yoon Suk-yeol won the 2022 election by articulating an anti-feminist discourse directed at the Idaenam, men in their 20s with few economic and romantic prospects who are resentful of the country’s growing #MeToo movement. In Poland, nearly 50% of men aged 18-21 back the far-right Konfederacja party, whose chief figure said he opposed women’s right to vote and has described women as “less intelligent” than men. In Argentina, the ultra-libertarian, chainsaw-wielding Javier Milei, who said he would “not apologise for having a penis”, won last year’s election in no small part thanks to young unemployed men who voted for him, lured by his promises of rolling back women’s rights. Meanwhile, digital violence, from online harassment to non-consensual explicit deepfakes, is used to punish and silence women who hold powerful men to account and campaign for gender equality. Communities of “Men going their own way” (MGTOW) who swear to eschew women (whipping up manufactured fears of false rape accusations in the process) have been growing in the past few years. Now they have a mirror image. Communities of “Women going their own way” have emerged too, and they are telling women how to live without men who don’t respect them (a group on Reddit has 14,000 members). Taking a virtual stroll around these groups offers a glimpse of the level of disenchantment women feel. Dating podcasts that emerged as a reaction to the manosphere are now purporting to coach women on how to spot misogynists on dating apps. Women have witnessed first-hand the unfinished work of the sexual revolution. About one in four women experience sexual assault in their lifetime. Choking during sex has become normalised to the point that many men think it doesn’t require consent. Mainstream pornography, whose representation of women shows striking overlaps with extreme misogynistic communities’ violent speech towards women, is polarising gen Z women: after decades of sex-positive feminism, many young women are embracing anti-pornography views, from the “Cancel porn” movement on TikTok to pop stars’ public condemnation of porn. There have been plenty of panicked headlines about the sex recession, which have even reached France, long the home of romantic exceptionalism. When the #MeToo movement emerged in the US, the backlash was swift, but in France both men and women often chose to side with men accused of abuse. No wonder French women are giving up on men. Former pornography performer and feminist author Ovidie has become a proponent of voluntary celibacy. “I have nothing against men. I don’t want to sleep with them any more,” she declared in media interviews. In recent years, France has seen a revival of political lesbianism (women “choosing” to become lesbians for political reasons), with widely publicised essays from Louise Morel’s How to Become a Lesbian in Ten Steps to Juliet Drouar’s Getting Out of Heterosexuality. Virginie Despentes, a key proponent of the movement, has likened “becoming” a lesbian to losing 40 kilos. As the Gisèle Pelicot mass rape trial continues, France is having a reckoning with decades of abuse. The feeling that 1968 revolutionary slogans such as “It is forbidden to forbid” primarily served the interests of men and did not offer liberation for all is spreading in France. Moving away from men might be a needed defence mechanism for women. It is powerful in the message that it sends: that women don’t have a duty to show compassion to men who deny them basic respect. For my forthcoming book, Ctrl Hate Delete: The New Anti-Feminist Backlash and How We Fight It, I have spoken to dozens of activists, social workers and psychologists who are fighting to pull men out of misogynistic rabbit holes. Many of them are male. These men are serious about addressing men’s grievances and suffering. They have also understood that it is men’s responsibility, not women’s duty, to do so. Women who live surrounded by men steeped in misogynistic online content increasingly bear the brunt of men’s radicalisation. Fighting back is a feminist imperative. http://www...tion-sex-men-misogyny-feminism There are people who actually believe this. Lolololololololol
Habebe Member	Wed Nov 13 03:45:59 Rugian, Western women in general are not worth it. 1. Notice how on the global stage, no one wants them. Western men, can go all over the world and, we are desired. 2. They way over value themselves. Compared to global women, they offer very little. Ask 100 women on the street on a scale from 1 to ten.... 3.They bought the lie that men want a 45 year old cat lady who makes 200k so much so that they dont understand why a 45 year old man making 1 mill a year isn't chasing the cat lady. It's why they rage at passport bros. Simple protectionism, the only way they stand a chance is if were a captive market.
Paramount Member	Wed Nov 13 07:50:35 So the women in the USA has started to weaponize their vaginas and use it to blackmail the men? No more sex?
Rugian Member	Wed Nov 13 08:40:36 Paramount I mean, if you believe the screeds of perpetually online woke feminists, then sure. Something tells me that this isn't going to catch on with the general population though. Habebe Yeah, if women were a commodity, then Western women's share price would definitely be overvalued compared to what you're getting. That's speaking in the aggregate though. There are still tens millions of women who are awesome and well worth it...only problem is that most of them get a ring on them well before they hit their late 30s.
obaminated Member	Wed Nov 13 11:06:22 Passport bros is a thing for a reason. I agree with rugian about most worthwhile women are caught by their mid twenties. Divorced by 33. So you're getting sloppy seconds and brother a step kid or two. But you get a woman desperate enough to close her eyes when she finds out you are working late with your secretary.
murder Member	Wed Nov 13 11:13:47 "It's why they rage at passport bros." What world do you live in? Show me examples of American women giving a crap where you go to get laid? I've never even heard the term "passport bros" before this minute, so it's clearly just some right-wing bubble nonsense.
obaminated Member	Wed Nov 13 11:28:15 http://www...ow-to-guide-love-abroad-2023-6 Yep, right wing bubble nonsense. People could fill fucking libraries with how many bad takes you have.
murder Member	Wed Nov 13 11:48:16 Yeah some TikTok rando declares himself something or other blah blah. Show me examples of women giving a fuck where you go to get laid?
murder Member	Wed Nov 13 11:53:18 Also it shouldn't need pointing out, but I will point it out anyway ... the tiktok rando does not go abroad to date women and find his life partner ... he goes abroad to pretend that he's living this life to create content for his stupid account that morons consume as they live vicariously through his bullshit made up adventures. If he found his life partner, there'd be no more passport broing to post about, and his income would dry up.
Cherub Cow Member	Wed Nov 13 12:12:01 murder is so low-IQ and ignorant that he hasn't yet made a connection between the "passport bro" meme and the "Russian mail-order bride" meme of the past. He's so disingenuous that he has to think people don't do these things because it would mean conceding that he's retarded. That said, propaganda is pushing this degeneracy when White men and White women should still be pairing. Just avoid leftists.
murder Member	Wed Nov 13 13:01:17 Imagine looking at even the few photographs accompanying the story and not realizing that the rando tiktoker obviously has a crew traveling with and working for him. It's a scripted show.
obaminated Member	Wed Nov 13 13:44:07 "I don't believe something exists even though it undeniably exists." - angst riddled teenager who happens to be trapped in a 50+ year old man's body.
murder Member	Wed Nov 13 16:42:26 ^ still trying to keep up with the kardashians
murder Member	Wed Nov 13 16:43:30 I promise not to ruin professional wrestling for you until you're older and can handle it.
Cherub Cow Member	Wed Nov 13 18:17:50 murder now pretending that passport bros just fell out of the sky in some terminally online section of the Internet, lol. Where are we landing on murder with the Poe's Law troll? Is he an actual retard or just extremely well versed in the way retards behave? I think he is legitimately retarded.
murder Member	Wed Nov 13 18:25:13 CC: "Someone said something on the internet and I want to believe it so it must be true ..." *1000 more words of gibberish nobody reads* "You're retarded."
obaminated Member	Wed Nov 13 18:43:11 It's genuinely funny that murder really doesn't believe passport bros is a real thing. Like he doesn't believe american men go abroad to find a woman to bring home. Because american men don't marry Slavic women or south east Asian women. It's all made up in murders teenage angst riddles mind.
Cherub Cow Member	Wed Nov 13 19:10:14 Yeah, it's just cult reality-denial. The cult has him believe that if it existed, then they would have told him already. Since they haven't told him, it doesn't exist. Meanwhile, here in reality, this has been going on for decades. They used to make fun of it on shows like "Wings" and "Married with Children". On "Wings", the Roy Biggins character was a low-status male, so he became a passport bro in a 1995 episode. Then there's modern servicemen in Asia who would routinely show up with their foreign wives at naturalization services. They were called "gottems" (e.g., the Filipino "[got him]"). There's an entire sub-genre of YouTube and TikTok videos going back years that show American men going to the East to meet women who had clearly been courting multiple men while waiting for one to propose and grant citizenship. But murder is so low-information that he has to pretend that nothing exists.
murder Member	Wed Nov 13 19:13:16 Here, you can follow the show on Instagram ... http://www.instagram.com/the_digital_bromad/?hl=en
murder Member	Wed Nov 13 19:40:18 If you check out passport bros pictures on Instagram, you'll notice that he was in the Seattle area years before he claimed to have moved there in the article.
murder Member	Wed Nov 13 19:42:48 Here's an interesting one from his "travel buddy" ... "You have been my best friend, my favorite enemy, a brother to my brothers, a son to my parents, and, well, someone who wakes me up because of his snores. Thank you for being my rock, my support, and my critic. Here’s to another year of joy and adventure! Happy anniversary, babe!" http://www.instagram.com/p/C6Rw-icy83h/?hl=en&img_index=1
murder Member	Wed Nov 13 19:43:35 I'm not even going to say it.
obaminated Member	Wed Nov 13 19:48:12 ... murder is still trying to prove American men don't travel overseas to marry foreign women. By dissecting one person's Instagram page.
Cherub Cow Member	Wed Nov 13 19:54:16 Yeah, literal retard behavior.
murder Member	Wed Nov 13 20:38:58 You tossed him out as an example. Lots of people travel. Lots of people travel for work. Lots of people marry foreigners. We've had people on this very board that have done all of that. The bullshit is "I now describe myself as a passport bro — someone who travels the world and dates foreign women, hoping to find a life partner." But he was clearly traveling with someone who was taking pictures and video of him ... for his show.
Cherub Cow Member	Wed Nov 13 21:26:21 Notice how disingenuously slippery murder is trying to be (yet again). This was his initial claim: [murder (left-wing dogma bot)]: "I've never even heard the term "passport bros" before this minute, so it's clearly just some right-wing bubble nonsense." Then it was.. "[This one guy is doing it to monetize a lifestyle]" He has now changed this to.. [murder (left-wing dogma bot)]: "The bullshit is "I now describe myself as a passport bro — someone who travels the world and dates foreign women, hoping to find a life partner."" He's so full of shit that he can't even track his lies. It's like how sebfag will surreptitiously change the terms of the argument in the middle just to make it seem like he didn't have to have someone correct him over and over again. It's pretty simple, mur-tard: "passport bro" is just the name for someone who looks for or finds a foreign bride instead of marrying a fellow national. It's a thing. It's been a thing for a long time. You said it yourself with your "Lots of people" list, so you're just admitting that you never hear terms outside of Reddit or wherever you fester. The bubble is your own for not having heard about it. It's the same bubble that keeps people like tumbletard from knowing what ESG is. It's total projection to pretend that someone else is in a bubble for knowing about what you do not, when bubbles are ignorance-based. Fun facts: The largest proportion at 21.4% of those naturalized into these United States were naturalized by marriage (USCIS http://www...nter/naturalization-statistics ). This accounted for 188,200 spouses in 2023. The majority of women naturalized by marriage were Asian (about 31% of intermarried immigrants http://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2017/05/18/1-trends-and-patterns-in-intermarriage/ ). Most of those were Filipino by the largest margin followed by Indonesian and Thai ( https://cis.org/Report/How-Many-MailOrder-Brides ).
murder Member	Wed Nov 13 21:34:16 "This was his initial claim: [murder (left-wing dogma bot)]: "I've never even heard the term "passport bros" before this minute, so it's clearly just some right-wing bubble nonsense."" That's not a claim, that's a fact. "Then it was.. "[This one guy is doing it to monetize a lifestyle]"" Yes. "He has now changed this to.. [murder (left-wing dogma bot)]: "The bullshit is "I now describe myself as a passport bro — someone who travels the world and dates foreign women, hoping to find a life partner."" There's no change there at all. He's lying about traveling the world dating women. He is only pretending to make money off of morons that believe the bullshit. "He's so full of shit that he can't even track his lies." There's zero inconsistency. The slippery one is you, but we won't get into that. "It's pretty simple, mur-tard: "passport bro" is just the name for someone who looks for or finds a foreign bride instead of marrying a fellow national." No, he defined it himself. You don't get to redefine it.
murder Member	Wed Nov 13 21:58:44 For anyone interested, this tiktok passport bro can teach you how to become a location-independent high-demand asset for a low low price. http://join.wealthuniversity.io/ Soon you'll be traveling the world and living the lifestyle that he's totally not selling you for a low low price.
Cherub Cow Member	Wed Nov 13 22:01:11 [murder (left-wing dogma bot)]: "I've never even heard the term "passport bros" before this minute, so it's clearly just some right-wing bubble nonsense."" [murder (actual retard)]: "That's not a claim, that's a fact." No, it's a claim. Your not having heard of it is a fact, but your erroneous belief that it's "right-wing bubble nonsense" is a claim. The claim is not a fact because you used a false premise (projection and misuse of "bubble"), and this has been going on for decades; but you're too stupid, ignorant, and cynically biased to see this plain reality. [murder (left-wing dogma bot)]: "There's no change there at all." Yes there is, retard. Your initial claim was that it's "bubble nonsense" (a false statement). Your subsequent claim was that this guy in particular invalidates any definitions because you think he's fake. It's obvious that you changed your argument because your subsequent claim was not even possible at the time of your initial claim since you had not even yet been told about the existence of this particular influencer. So, yeah, you changed your argument because you are a retard and a liar. [murder (left-wing dogma bot)]: "No, he defined it himself. You don't get to redefine it." False. I provided the correct definition. You didn't even know this was a thing before an hour or so ago so you have zero authority to even attempt this pathetic rhetorical deception. (You are pathetic. You are a retard.) This is the exact kind of non-existent reading comprehension that plagues tumblefag. Leftists are the kid in class that was eating paste all day, cannot be helped in after school lessons, and drags down the class every time he chimes in.
murder Member	Wed Nov 13 22:37:08 "... but your erroneous belief that it's "right-wing bubble nonsense" is a claim." No, it's a fact. The idea of American men walking away from American women that are too demanding is right-wing shit.
Cherub Cow Member	Wed Nov 13 22:55:04 [murder (retard)]: "No, it's a fact. The idea of American men walking away from American women that are too demanding is right-wing shit." When you sustain obvious delusions such as this, do you just have to willfully purge all memory and all evidence, or is it like a linguistic game where you just pretend words don't mean what they mean? Many cults use both methods, and you are a retard in a cult, but I'm curious which method you prefer: destroying your memory or semantic self-deception.
murder Member	Wed Nov 13 23:18:07 So desperately.
obaminated Member	Thu Nov 14 00:07:59 American men don't walk away from American women, that's a right wing myth - murder, an American who hasn't had a relationship with an American woman in decades.
murder Member	Thu Nov 14 11:49:30 I'd ask if your mom is American, but you've already demonstrated that you hate you own family so ...
	show deleted posts

Your Name:
Your Password:
Your Message: