Utopia Talk / Politics / Diversity friendly rebels in Syria

Paramount Member	Fri Dec 06 12:22:52 How Syria’s ‘diversity-friendly’ jihadists plan on building a state http://www...jihadists-plan-building-state/ So apparently, the jihadists in IS, al-Nusra and al-Qaida are going to build a diversity friendly state where LGBTQ people are jews are welcome.
Paramount Member	Fri Dec 06 12:23:30 *and jews
Paramount Member	Fri Dec 06 12:30:35 ”Onto Damascus” - Sam The road to Jerusalem is through Damascus. Maybe the plan is to incorporate Syria with Jerusalem.
Rugian Member	Fri Dec 06 13:48:28 Something tells me that the IDF would put up more of a fight than the SAA.
jergul large member	Fri Dec 06 14:03:26 Well, it kind of depends on how much you support the IDF.
jergul large member	Fri Dec 06 14:09:13 As to your other comment. Some of the wmd claims were definitely false flag. Others are more ambigious or adhoc. Extraordinary claims need extrardinary evidence. Syria giving up its wmd is not an example of evidence. http://www...nd-proliferation-profile-syria
Paramount Member	Fri Dec 06 14:17:27 SAA has not put up any fight at all. They have pulled back, and Alexander from the Duran says that a prominent Russian war reporter (I think it was) has said that members of the Syrian army have defected to the rebels. They have possibly been bribed. Corruption is a problem in Syria.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Dec 06 14:20:52 There is nothing called ”extraordinary evidence”, it’s just evidence. Here is a better qoute: ”Jesus Lord protector of all that is good and holy, please deliver us from morons quoting Carl Sagan”. -Nimatzo
Rugian Member	Fri Dec 06 14:28:47 Occam's razor: Putin and Assad are both bloodthirsty dictators engaged in a brutal war with Syrian rebels. Who's most likely to use WMDs against the rebels? jergul: tHe rEbElS ThEmSeLvEs
murder Member	Fri Dec 06 16:44:37 "So apparently, the jihadists in IS, al-Nusra and al-Qaida are going to build a diversity friendly state where LGBTQ people are jews are welcome." 100% credible
LazyCommunist Member	Fri Dec 06 20:41:33 So our allies betray us ... if the Nazis win in Syria then you all should blame Iran but not Putin, spread the word! http://www...BZF.5Zooqt5E3yM5&smid=tw-share Iran Begins to Evacuate Military Officials and Personnel From Syria The withdrawals by one of President Bashar al-Assad’s key backers come amid a resurgent rebel offensive.
jergul large member	Fri Dec 06 21:49:08 Ruggy I found the evidence underwhelming in many cases and often staged. Who benefits is always a valid question. Also, projection. That is exactly what you people said about the NS2. Like, I dont doubt some asshat put some industrial cleaner into a barrel bomb now and then. But trace elements of ratpoison in a bombed out urban setting is always going to be found. And staged sometimes. Absolutely! Still, it did end well as Syria's stockpile was sent abroad and destroyed. A disaster if non-state actors got ahold of parts of it. Good its gone.
jergul large member	Fri Dec 06 21:49:43 NS1 rather*
Forwyn Member	Fri Dec 06 22:26:22 "Occam's razor:" Alternate: Obama, who infamously gave the red line speech, conveniently had his red line met exactly one year after his speech, in a time when he was lying profusely to the American people about lethal support being given to his moderate jihadis. It's not an if/then matter of Assad vs. Rebels, because a) the rebels weren't a monolith, and b) the two parties weren't the only players in the field.
Sam Adams Member	Sat Dec 07 00:27:38 Seems like even baghdad jergul is having a tough time coming up with soviet bloc lies for this one. After that first soviet brigade was smashed, with iranian reinforcements unable to move in the face of the iaf, russia stetched thin by lowly ukraine, and hezzbollah essentially wiped out, assads army just stopped fighting. The scale of the collapse at this point does not seem reversible.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Dec 07 09:59:38 Assad forces are abandoning *everything* and retreating to Damascus. What is the end game here?
Paramount Member	Sat Dec 07 10:41:12 How much territory can the Diversity Friendly Rebels hold on to? There force is only 20,000. (What I have heard). Syrian Army is 170,000. They have an airforce.
jergul large member	Sat Dec 07 11:00:41 Para Well, if the military is unwilling to fight, then 20k is plenty. They advance. Local and tribal governments flip alliances. The advance continues. Castro captured Cuba that way. The regime should be able to hold Latakia. But that is why Homs is important (beyond being a larger city). It links Latakia to Damaskus.
jergul large member	Sat Dec 07 11:02:28 http://en..../File:Syrian_Civil_War_map.svg There. As you can see.
jergul large member	Sat Dec 07 11:03:25 (Tartus governant also of course)
Sam Adams Member	Sat Dec 07 12:43:38 "Syrian Army is 170,000. They have an airforce" I dont think assads army numbers 1700 at the moment. They are not going to fight for him. To be fair assad seems to have fled. Looks like its all over but the crying.
jergul large member	Sat Dec 07 12:48:47 Sammy That was the big question. Could the Syrian military mobilize or not? I posed it quite a number of days ago. It looks like "not". Not over by any measure. This may be the collapse of central government with no one strong enough to take over, probably not even nominally. So balkanization with power nationally meaningless and power locally defaulting to local sectarian and tribal interests. Homs will dissect Syria if lost. But Tartus and Latakia are not rebel friendly by any measure. Alawites are a strong majority in these governates. They are not going away.
Sam Adams Member	Sat Dec 07 13:08:25 Its over for your boy assad and for iranian/russia appearances of strength. Obviously there will be rebel groups dividing up the country... but i could care less what happens now i just like seeing soviets lose. "I posed it quite a number of days ago" You posted that there were no rebels in allepo. Lol
Rugian Member	Sat Dec 07 13:16:12 http://uto...hread=93572&time=1733160397603 For the sake of posterity.
jergul large member	Sat Dec 07 15:04:03 VOA said there were no rebels in aleppo. Lol. You like seeing the soviets disengage immediately and focus on what actually matters to them? Wow, ok. Well, good luck with your troops in Syria forever now. You know, since the US cannot focus on what is important evah. Thank you Ruggy for keeping it real.
murder Member	Sat Dec 07 15:25:05 This has been quite the collapse. Iran and Russia cannot be happy with Turkey.
murder Member	Sat Dec 07 15:27:45 As soon as this is over the next struggle for power will begin, and Syria will be a total cluster fuck until after we're all dead.
murder Member	Sat Dec 07 16:03:00 Trump saying the Russia never really wanted to be in Syria anyway ... or something to that effect. ;o)
Rugian Member	Sat Dec 07 16:27:54 HOMS FALLS
Sam Adams Member	Sat Dec 07 19:50:08 Damascus falls. Game over.
Sam Adams Member	Sat Dec 07 21:20:02 A funny thing just happened to an old russian plane fleeing damascus... ... rumors it was assad.
murder Member	Sat Dec 07 22:25:21 Even the French put up more of a fight.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Dec 07 23:04:12 a bad day for Tulsi's friend
murder Member	Sat Dec 07 23:34:02 He was Putin's friend. Tulsi was just helping a friend of a friend.
murder Member	Sat Dec 07 23:35:27 Hopefully the Syrians remember what the Russians did and don't let any of them escape with the lives.
murder Member	Sat Dec 07 23:37:50 This is not ideal. I was hoping for a long drawn out battle that would he drain Russia of resources. Instead the Syrian army folded like a cheap suit.
murder Member	Sun Dec 08 00:11:12 Hey Russia ... all your base are belong to Usama. :o)
jergul large member	Sun Dec 08 00:23:12 Murder This is just local and tribal governments expressing their self-determination. There is no central government now and I do not think the Islamist alliance has the power to impose one. You do realize that all your base belong to Iskender and Makhus still. Taurus and Latakia goverates have strong Alawite majorities.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 08 00:50:39 For fuck sake Jergul, STOP TALKING! Everything you say, the opposite has taken place!
murder Member	Sun Dec 08 00:53:26 "Taurus and Latakia goverates have strong Alawite majorities." They are going to empty out pretty quick as people flee to safety.
murder Member	Sun Dec 08 00:54:26 "You do realize that all your base belong to Iskender and Makhus still." Why does it bother you so much when Russia loses?
jergul large member	Sun Dec 08 01:06:56 Fact is, the rebels rode forward on a literal wave of local and tribal governments rejecting central rule. This does not mean the locals have accepted Al-Nusra rule. Why would they exchange one devil for another? I am unsure of why anyone would want Taurus and Latakia embroiled in an actual civil war. Those are places that will not allow Al-Nusra to plow forward. Neither will the Kurds for that matter. The Russian bases there are not usable for anything other than logistics in a civil war like state. Too easy to lob shells into. I don't think Russia views this as a loss. It was reluctantly propping up Assad and it has better things to do these days. As you mentioned, the bad outcome for Russia would be a regime fighting back, but in high need of Russian support to retain control of urban areas. There is something clear cut and liberating about the Regime not fighting back at all. It gives its allies an exit.
jergul large member	Sun Dec 08 01:18:54 http://upl.../6/68/Syrian_Civil_War_map.svg Map update.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 08 01:39:44 Omg.. rebels have already entered cities in the mountains Masyaf, army retreating to the coast, protests in Latakia. Jergul for the love of humanity shut up! At this pace and with your big mouth the Syrian rebels will take over the entire world!
jergul large member	Sun Dec 08 01:51:48 Nimi Masyaf is in Hama. Noted that you think Latakia and Taurus will fall without a fight. That is a pretty bold prediction nimi.
jergul large member	Sun Dec 08 01:53:00 What about the Kurds? Are you also predicting they will fall without a fight? Or the Druze? Will they also fall without a fight to Al-Nusra? Give us your predictions.
TheChildren Member	Sun Dec 08 01:56:37 how can happen so fast. they r 20k army is 170k answer is there r no fightin takin place. only small skirmishes early on. da days ahead, no fightin took place. 20k can not fight 170k head on and advance this fast. only answer is there have been no fightin other than some aerial strikes. 20k cannot hang on 2 territory this large and keep advancin, shits unprotected, they cannot enforce, keep while blitzkiregin ahead. answer is there have been no actual fightin. so what happened. is this inside coup? a color rev no doubt
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 08 01:56:44 Just remember what I said almost a year ago, when people wanted to bomb Iran over the 7th october terrorist attacks. I said you only need to defeat Hamas and Hezbollah to hasten the demise of the Islamic republic. I said: over the coming year you will see more in fighting within the axis of resistence and ultimatly unraveling. All the mean while the paraguls laughed in disbelief (and the sebiciles warned of REGIONAL WAR!). Then they cried in disbelief as their balls were blown off by pagers :,(. I have to be honest, even I am surprised over how quickly things are going bad for the Islamic Republic. But I guess as they say, when it rains it pours. While there was almost a zero chance of rebuilding Hezbollah, there is now exactly zero chance of that happening. The Shia road to the levant is broken, who the fuck knows what will hsppen in Syra, unity with a strategic partnership with the Islamic republic seems very distant. Best case scenario, Hezbollah will become anoher political party in Lebanon.
jergul large member	Sun Dec 08 01:59:09 I just am uncomfortable getting onboard with a theory that Al-Nusra is an unstoppable force on the brink of establishing strong central government in Syria. It seems very counterfactual. I think we are seeing the dissolution of a colonial construct that even the French were uncomfortable with. France actually drew self-rule lines based on local populations in various governates. So Latakia-Taurus with its own local government for example. Syria will likely nominally survive, but factually, it is disintegrating into local and regional interest groups.
TheChildren Member	Sun Dec 08 01:59:27 we is seein rome burnin, da imperialists is panickin all around. everywhere in da world we seein da chess pieces move all at once. signs of mass panick korea, romania, georgia, now syria wut next mass panic from da empire
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 08 02:01:03 Jergul ”Latakia and Taurus will fall without a fight. That is a pretty bold prediction nimi.” I am just reporting the news and extrapolating the reverse of what you say. I am not sure what ”falls” even means, rejects Assad leadership? Yes there is a chance that those places fall.
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Dec 08 02:24:53 Looks like Israel is getting another item off of their list: (General Wesley Clark in 2007) "Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and finishing it off with Iran" http://x.com/wikileaks/status/1819709215352438921 We need to liberate Israel and restore the Kingdom of Jerusalem. If the West truly needs a foothold of "democracy" in the Middle East, then let it be the Kingdom of the Crusaders under the God Emperor.
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Dec 08 02:25:00 Clint Russell also points out that Mossad is either gloating about a successful outcome or is taking credit for both Assad's flight and the Iranian president's execution: http://x.com/LibertyLockPod/status/1865634229121409119
Paramount Member	Sun Dec 08 02:33:37 The Syrian defence minister said two days ago that the Syrian army is in a good position and that they will regain control of some areas. And that the reason why they have withdrawn is for tactical reasons. He is also saying that the enemy is spreading propaganda, wrong and false information about the Syrian regime, to create chaos. He calls on the Syrian people to be aware of the risks of misinformation and disinformation and to only stick to information released by national and state run TV:s. He calls on people to be patient. The Syrian army remains the strongest force. http://youtu.be/DJ7XXgOTJzE
jergul large member	Sun Dec 08 02:40:06 Nimi Fall means Al-Nusra parading around and declaring sharia law as it forces Alawite women to cover their hair. Assad is irrelevant at this point.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 08 02:56:07 Ok fair enough, then given your track record I am very concerned for Alawite women.
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Dec 08 02:59:39 [Nim]: "then given your track record" You may have found a great decoder there. Just invert everything jergul says and respond to that. That could probably result in some productive conversations.
Paramount Member	Sun Dec 08 03:04:42 ”korea, romania, georgia, now syria wut next” The assassination of Shinzo Abe in Japan, the assassination attempt on Robert Fico in Slovakia, two assassination attempts on Donald Trump in the USA. Plotting assassination attempts on Putin with the help of Ukraine. Martial law in South Korea, meddling and interfering in the elections in Georgia, Moldova and Romania, supporting terrorists in Syria in order to overthrow Assad in Syria. Sacrificing the lives of hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians in order to grab Ukraine’s natural resources and Crimea, and to be able to establish military bases and missile systems on the border to Russia, Sending arms and military forces to Taiwan in order to steal it from China. Accusing China of genocide while aiding abetting Israel in an actual genocide. Threatening international criminal courts, the judges and their families. The US mafia and Genocide Joe have been busy.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 08 03:06:43 Haha :-) jergul large member Fri Nov 29 05:42:16 35s rather. Which also means that Russia was prewarned and the fallbacks were planned. Hence the low 100ds of losses to defenders and mid 100ds to the attackers. I think the plan is to let the Islamists have their Tet offensive. Nimatzo iChihuaha Fri **Nov 29** 07:25:51 You wouldn't be the dunce you are if you did not take out your celebrations way too early. October 7th and the Israeli attack on the Islamic republic come to mind. **If the inverse jergul tracker is still valid, I would say Aleppo is lost**. jergul large member Fri Nov 29 08:22:39 So cute <3 And he just wouldn’t shut up, so the now the entire Assad regime has fallen and, apparently according to the inverse Jergul the Alawite coast will also fall.
Paramount Member	Sun Dec 08 03:11:29 I forgot. They also attacked and destroyed Germany’s and Europe’s energy infrastructure.
jergul large member	Sun Dec 08 03:16:35 Never mind the cherry picking, but a Tet offensive variant was a good regime plan that I am pretty sure there were contingencies for: Get Al-nusra out in the open and bomb it to shit on the desert roads outside towns and cities as the SAA mobilized for a final counter offensive to capture Idlib. Nobody saw the SAA simply not fighting and like I said, the outcome would be determined by how successfully the regime could mobilize its military. Turns out that was not at all. Al-Nusra advanced on a wave of local governments rejecting central power and the SAA being completely unwilling to contest those rejections. Noted that you are predicting Taurus and Latakia will fall to al-nusra. A very bold prediction. We will see if you are right soon enough Nimi.
jergul large member	Sun Dec 08 03:17:26 And yes, you are very cute <3.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 08 03:23:12 Cute and correct :-)
jergul large member	Sun Dec 08 03:24:40 I stand by my original thought. The impetus for the offensive is a US-Turkey initiative where Turkey hardballed until the US gave it F-35s. The plan failed horribly from a US perspective. The idea was not the immediate fall of the regime, but rather to embroil Russia in a renewed conflict so as to dilute its focus on Ukraine. Turkey is probably displeased as well. The dissolution of central power colidifies devolvement of powers to regional Kurdish authorities and well Al-nusra is not nearly strong enough to assert control over the kurds. In my opinion.
jergul large member	Sun Dec 08 03:28:14 Correct in sense that you were completely unable to find me making any predictions at all :). I had not followed Syria closely and was unsure of the SAAs mobilization potential. It turned out to be way worse than absolutely anyone thought.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 08 03:30:55 Everybody has noted that I am using the inverse Jergul indicator. Meanwhile Jergul has gone from the first stage: Assad is not falling, laughed like a baffoon at me saying the IRGC resistance is crumbling. To now the next stage: it is a good thing Assad has fallen and that even the “French didn’t like it”. In a nutshell the Islamic republic and the resistance is in this situation because they have too many Jerguls. People who refuse to own their failures, because that would be the first step towards improving and future victory. Instead they try to gaslight everyone, including their own supports. No setback is too big to be propagandized as a victory.
jergul large member	Sun Dec 08 03:31:10 Feel free to add the inevitable demise of Kurds in Syria to your bold predictions of the future nimi.
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Dec 08 03:33:31 [Paramount]: "The US mafia and Genocide Joe have been busy." A certain international clique of rootless cosmopolitans always seems to be behind the politics that erode nationalism, the ethnic identity of the strong, and a people's history. "Any strong nationalist, is made out to be a monster by the media, then this excuse is used to attack and remove them from power. " http://x.com/Uncommonsince76/status/1865619098119377084
jergul large member	Sun Dec 08 03:39:57 Nimi Again, you cannot find me making any predictions or even commenting directly on what is going on. VOA seemed to think Islamist advances were overstated and a Norwegian expert certainly did not see how a relatively weak Islamist force could advance successfully. But that is not me making predictions. I said it would ultimately come down to the SAAs mobilization potential and I was very unsure of how strong that potential was. Rightfully so as it turned out. Iran and Russia both disengaged once it became clear there was nothing for them to support. I dont think I really engaged in your thoughts on what this means for the regime in Iran. It was at a crossroads anyway. Israeli sigint turned out to have matured to a point where locally deployed strategic missile deterrence simply is not cost effective. The new hezbolla will be drone and atgm intensive is my bet. So more a true self-defensive force. Strategic deterrence will have to come from something else.
jergul large member	Sun Dec 08 03:41:32 I am pretty sure most Iranians though Hezb support at high levels was a waste of money better spent at home. So, is not disengagement from Syria and Lebanon to some extent at least, not the regime conforming to what the domestic population wants?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 08 03:43:09 It is true that at some point Jergul quoted an “expert”, which he totally assured is has proper experience and was not a pundit. It was basically the kind of shallow analysis based on superficial similarities and childish reductionism that Jergul is known for. She predicted Assad would ultimately retake Idlib. LOL :-) I explained why this was stupis and that it was highly unlikely that Assad would retake Idlib. Jergul yappa about Mohbilazation! because he has old man brain and does not remember that Assads army was losing before Russia, IRGC and Hezbollah came. And even then, with all their help, they had to fight for every inch of land. Non of that was happening, because the resistance had crumbled (which I explained and Jergul had a meltdown yet again proving he does not understand relevance or has a coherent model of reality) Russia is stuck in Ukraine.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 08 03:49:10 “So, is not disengagement from Syria and Lebanon to some extent at least, not the regime conforming to what the domestic population wants?“ This is exactly the kind of rewritting of reality that dumb regime supporters are known for Jergul. Jergul comes home black and blue in the face and tells us, you should have seen what my face did to his fist! He gets kicked out of a bar, head first, and tells us he decided to take his business elsewhere. His wife should be happy since he wont be drinking! I have been trying to explain, but you are such a slow learner, constantly behind the curve. The ship where I explained that this ship had sailed, sailed a year ago. You were busy being retarded, so you missed it.
jergul large member	Sun Dec 08 04:08:01 Nimi You might to well to remember Syria is poor, so stood down most of its conscription army when fighting died down. So, yes. It had to mobilize when fighting started again. I was very unsure of how well that would go as I stated many times. I am not sure where you feel I have shared strong emotions about anything happening in Syria. And sure, I had to play catch-up for a bit as I had not been following the conflict at all in recent years. I stated this clearly enough a number of times. You may want to work on your analogies a bit. It was slightly incoherent. I know you can do better <3.
Average Ameriacn Member	Sun Dec 08 04:17:30 It's official: Assad is gone!!!!!! Trump keeps on winning, his enemies flee even before his inauguration!!!! Who will be next? This Iranian guy? http://www...g-longtime-dictator-assad-gone Trump responds after rebels overtake Syria, ousting longtime dictator: ‘Assad is gone’ 'Assad is gone. He has fled his country,' Trump wrote
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Dec 08 04:29:14 Trump will need to wise-up to his Israeli handlers very quickly if he wants to avoid pulling the West into WWIII. The Bolshevik Press is already treating Assad as a stand-in for their sacrifice of Tsar Nicholas II. Public tracking of airliners has (apparently, if this is to be believed) leaked the possible flightpath of the plane believed to be Assad's: "This is the flight radar recording of Assad's plane. This is far outside of my expertise. If any pilots see this, let me know what you think. From a layman's perspective it looks like he may have been shot at, hard turn to evade, gotten hit & went down." [December 8th, 0318 AM CST] http://x.com/LibertyLockPod/status/1865687401743654949
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 08 05:32:59 And there we go, Rebel forces enter Latakia. The inverse Jergul indicator remains undefeated.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 08 05:36:40 Jergul Will the price of bitcoin go up or down?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 08 05:36:52 Asking for a friend :-)
Seb Member	Sun Dec 08 05:48:05 Lets just do a stock take and think about what the western failure to intervene early and decisively in Syria. There was a period where we could have imposed a ceasefire between the rebels, Kurds and Assad and set the terms on how things would play out. Had we done so we would have avoided: Assad releasing as the Islamic fundies from his jail, Isis becoming embedded, the normalisation of poison gas use against civilians and on the battlefield, Russia and Iran establishing themselves there and emboldening Hamas and Hezbollah, and the huge destabilising wave is refugees into Europe that the American right profess (disingenuously) to be very upset about. A decade of horrors, and it has still ended with Assad out, and a history of horrors in its wake.
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Dec 08 05:52:40 [sebfag (Regime sycophant)]: "the normalisation of poison gas use against civilians and on the battlefield" Straight from Bolshevik propaganda to sebfag's copy and paste into UP. The simple fact is that Assad was holding the International Bolsheviks at bay, but they infiltrated and released prisoners like Bane at BlackGate. Bolsheviks love this strategy.
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Dec 08 06:05:12 Why is Israeli policy being effected so transparently? http://x.com/LupeLapin/status/1865575118380134707 2015 WikiLeaks of this Clinton document: http://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/18328 "The best way to help Israel deal with Iran's growing nuclear capability is to help the people of Syria overthrow the regime of Bashar Assad ... America can and should help them — and by doing so help Israel and help reduce the risk of a wider war."
Sam Adams Member	Sun Dec 08 06:20:50 "and the huge destabilising wave is refugees into Europe" Lol you cucks still allowed them in. And plenty more. You didnt have to do that. That was your choice.
jergul large member	Sun Dec 08 06:32:47 Nimi It fits with the model of Al-nusra riding forward on a wave of local rejection to central control. What we know from that is that Assad also had little to no support in Alawite communities. It also follows that Alawite communities have no reason to stonewall al-nusra parades. Getting rid of the Assad dynasty seems to be fine with everyone. What is does not mean is that Syria will become a centralized state again. I frankly cannot see that happening. Civil war will break out again if anyone tries.
jergul large member	Sun Dec 08 06:34:51 There, finally, I made a prediction: "Civil war will break out again if anyone tries to reassert central state control".
Rugian Member	Sun Dec 08 07:58:07 Seb "There was a period where we could have imposed a ceasefire between the rebels, Kurds and Assad and set the terms on how things would play out." Like the ceasefire we imposed on Libya? The one that resulted in a second civil war that ran for six years, as well as the destabilization of the entire region with rebel and terrorist groups expanding into Chad and Algeria, civil war in Mali, and Islamist groups running rampant? Not to mention the massive refugee crisis it spawned, with a third of the entire pre-2011 population fleeing to other countries; Tunisia alone was housing 2 million displaced Libyans during the second civil war. Europe was so unbelievably lucky to avoid the brunt of that. Seriously Seb. The fact that you are still touting R2P as a successful strategy in 2024 is mind-boggling. By any objective measure, its implementation in Libya was a total disaster.
murder Member	Sun Dec 08 09:28:58 The Syrian Army made the Afghan Army look like an impenetrable wall.
Paramount Member	Sun Dec 08 09:31:48 Will there be democracy and diversity in Syria now? Will trannies, gays and jews be welcome, and will women have a future there too now?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Dec 08 09:35:45 Welcome to the churn.
LazyCommunist Member	Sun Dec 08 09:50:29 Ask yourself: Assad got 95% of the votes in the Presidential election, so how is it possible that his people do not fight for him? There must be something wrong here and I think that the West and NATO are behind it, somehow they cheated the Syrian people with propaganda into believing that they had no chance against the Nazi Islamists.
murder Member	Sun Dec 08 10:18:18 "Noted that you are predicting Taurus and Latakia will fall to al-nusra. A very bold prediction. We will see if you are right soon enough Nimi." You can't assert that this was all a US plan to tie up Russia fighting in Syria ... say that the plan failed ... and then at least imply that Russia is going to defend their bases. And we've seen how the Syrian Army performs without Russia and Hezbollah doing the actual fighting.
murder Member	Sun Dec 08 10:21:27 "A certain international clique of rootless cosmopolitans always seems to be behind the politics that erode nationalism, the ethnic identity of the strong, and a people's history." This is UP. There's no need for coded language. You're free to spew your antisemitism freely.
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Dec 08 10:37:06 [murderfag (left-wing dogma bot)]: "You're free to spew your antisemitism freely." I think that's you, murderfag. Remind us what issues your Regime had with Claudine Gay? None, right? What about the Squad? Why have they all "apologized" to Israel? That's weird, right? Don't you like progressives? I, meanwhile, have explained repeatedly that the left supports slave revolts, but *they* want to be the "Master"-enslaver (that's you! You want that!) whereas I want no masters and no slaves.
obaminated Member	Sun Dec 08 10:39:37 In the Bible there is a few verses about end times. Israel will be against the world. Funny how that turned up to be true.
jergul large member	Sun Dec 08 10:41:59 Murder I dont think Russia will fight for their bases unless they are bolstering an Alawite faction locally in a newly ignited civil war. I have no idea if Al-Nusra will play hardball in Taurus-Latakia either. The Kurdish issue seems way more pressing to one of the main sponsors.
murder Member	Sun Dec 08 10:45:27 "In the Bible there is a few verses about end times. Israel will be against the world. Funny how that turned up to be true." Not yet it hasn't. Trump hasn't made peace in region yet. You know what follows that.
murder Member	Sun Dec 08 10:51:22 "The Kurdish issue seems way more pressing to one of the main sponsors." That may be so, but the Kurds aren't going anywhere.
Paramount Member	Sun Dec 08 11:38:51 So I was watching the news on TV and a Syrian guy was very joyful. He said that he is going back Syria and build up the country again, and that they won’t let an idiot take over the country. Not sure which idiot he was referring to. But I wish him good luck. I’m pessimistic. Terrorists are not gonna stop being terrorists, Islamists are not gonna stop being Islamists. Foreigners are not gonna stop intervening and meddling. USA is not gonna stop being USA, and Israel is not gonna stop being jewish.
Paramount Member	Sun Dec 08 11:40:49 The only thing we can be sure of, I think, is that Russia is gonna end their presence in Syria.
obaminated Member	Sun Dec 08 11:55:23 Oh, btw, rip jerguls remaining credibility.
Paramount Member	Sun Dec 08 12:00:47 ” answer is there have been no actual fightin. so what happened. is this inside coup? a color rev no doubt” Rumor is that Turkey, Iran and Russia had talks with Assad. They came to an agreement that Assad would step down and be allowed to go to another country and live there. So Iran and Russia basically withdrew their support for Assad, and the Syrian army only had one choice then, and that was to surrender. Some 2000 Syrian army soldiers, with tanks and artillery pieces, got to the Iraqi border and surrendered to Iraqis.
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