Utopia Talk / Politics / A sincere thank you to Bashar al-Assad

Rugian Member	Sun Dec 08 12:28:59 On behalf of all of UP, thank you Bashar. Through your idiotic refusal to ever engage in negotiations with the opposition, you turned what might have been a minor season of protests into a thirteen year civil war that destroyed your country and resulted in the overthrow of you and your dynasty. Turkey was all but begging you as late as this year to come up with a settlement with the rebels and forge a path to peace and elections. But you wouldn't do it. As late as *yesterday,* you were still conditioning any sort of agreement on you remaining as ruler for the short term. Through your obstinacy, you have given all of us here endless hours of quality content. Thirteen years of civil war gave us so much entertainment with the endless twists and turns. Is Assad's government going to fall in 2014? Holy shit, the Islamic State is overrunning everyone! Wow, the Kurds are stepping things up in the north. Wait, now Russia and Hezbollah are going in hard. WMDs are being used, OMG. The amazing war footage. The debates the conflict spawned on here. The countless opportunities to pour over conflict maps - my geographic knowledge of Syria will forever be excellent thanks to you. This has easily been up there in terms of amazing conflicts to follow. In short, thank you so much for everything you gave us. Sure, you destabilized the entire region, destroyed your country and your legacy, and you're certainly bound for Hell in the afterlife. But you contributed so much to us Western warporn lovers. Thank you.
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Dec 08 12:41:36 The Bolsheviks did the same thing to Russia, and now Syria. Assad held out as long as he could. Another Christian possibly murdered by jews. May he Rest in Peace in Heaven everlasting. It was the Bolsheviks who destabilized the region. This was warned about by Churchill after WWI when jewish Bolsheviks were blackmailing the West to kill Palestinians, and nearly every Western nation that debated the merits and dangers of Zionism knew that the Middle East would come alive to attack the West for the sins of these jewish Bolsheviks. In our late political era, Ron Paul was warning about this after 9/11, prompting jewish Zionists such as the malevolent Ben Shapiro to use leftist terminology to attempt to poison the well against him. Everyone fucking knows it. They kill people such as Assad and Gaddafi so that they can pave the way for "Greater Israel", which means leveling the area for a zone of slavery and repression. Imagine wanting a sovereign country but having the misfortune of being close to genocidal maniacs.
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Dec 08 12:43:58 *"Another Christian [supporter] possibly murdered by jews." He apparently practices Shi'ism, but he was protecting Christians in Syria. The jews will probably start killing Syrian Christians soon.
Rugian Member	Sun Dec 08 12:45:52 CC Assad is safe and sound in Moscow just FYI. Also, since when was Alawism considered to be a Christian sect?
jergul large member	Sun Dec 08 12:50:21 Ruggy What a question. They celebrate Christmas. It is literally in the name.
Rugian Member	Sun Dec 08 12:52:41 jergul I repeat my question. Since when was Alawism considered to be a Christian sect? Yes, there are Christian elements to their faith. That does not make it a branch of Christianity.
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Dec 08 12:58:54 "I repeat my question. Since when was Alawism considered to be a Christian sect?" Fixed in the edit.
LazyCommunist Member	Sun Dec 08 13:00:54 Deep in his heart he was a communist, but he knew that he could not openly admit that in such a religious shithole. May Syria go to hell now, all of it! http://en....E2%80%93_Syria_Region#Ideology the younger Neo-Ba'athists who came from minority communities like Alawites were highly influenced by communist ideals and incorporated Marxist anti-religious, economic ideas and downplayed efforts for pan-Arab unity. The Neo-Ba'athist faction that took official control of Syria following the 1966 coup were advocates of militant revolution, calling for immediate socialist transformation of society.
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Dec 08 13:06:24 "BREAKING: Biden pledges to send aid to the new regime to rebuild Syria" http://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1865832331937980710 Oh, good. I wonder if BlackRock will manage all infrastructure projects in Syria? What could go wrong?
obaminated Member	Sun Dec 08 13:09:45 Gotta love when cc goes hard in the paint.
murder Member	Sun Dec 08 14:04:23 Netanyahu Orders IDF to Take Control of Syrian Buffer Zone With Israel, as Prior 'Agreement Has Collapsed' http://www...93-a5d4-d273-ab9f-efff7e280000
jergul large member	Sun Dec 08 14:21:51 Ruggy It is a sect of Islam. I was just joking. But their santa claus and xmas trees have always amused me. Now ask me if I think there are just 3 main sects in the Abramic belief system. Tomato, tomato. Potato, potato :).
Asgard Member	Sun Dec 08 14:39:56 Did you forget to mention that Israel saves the lives of UN poss-keepers who were under attack in the buffer zone by rebels?
Asgard Member	Sun Dec 08 14:40:19 Piss-keepers. Damn, joke killed my fat finger
Asgard Member	Sun Dec 08 14:40:40 By. K, I’m out.
murder Member	Sun Dec 08 14:46:04 Drinking heavily to celebrate the fall of Assad? :o)
Rugian Member	Sun Dec 08 14:56:53 Israel is going heavy with the bombing runs in Syria and has occupied the Syrian side of Mount Hermon. WTF are the Israelis up to right now Asgard?
murder Member	Sun Dec 08 15:32:12 Apparently the Israelis are blowing stuff up like air defenses and any weapons that the terrorists may use against them in the future.
murder Member	Sun Dec 08 15:36:45 It's possible that they are also blowing up Russian equipment that the Russians couldn't move.
Asgard Member	Sun Dec 08 16:27:50 Hermon is an alpine ridge, the tallest point in the area, used to house Syrian backed Palestinians who shelled israeli towns up until the Yom Kipur war ceasefire. Makes sense to take the Syrian side if Al Qaida becomes Syria.
Sam Adams Member	Sun Dec 08 16:57:22 The anti-semite axis is getting spanked so hard that the sebs are now trying to blame october 7 on mossad. http://x.com/georgegalloway/status/1865764497912455210 Lol
Dukhat Member	Mon Dec 09 00:03:52 Assad lost because he depended on Russia who’s now a paper tiger. Putin rewards yes-men instead of qualified people and they stripped Russia of all strategic reserves to look like they’re winning in Ukraine. This is what happens when an asshole who surrounds himself with sycophants is in charge. It’s true for Syria. It’s true for Russia. It’s true for the US.
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Dec 09 01:42:58 [Rugian]: "WTF are the Israelis up to right now Asgard?" The Israelis are probably telling the terrorists where they can find all the Christians. [Sam Adams]: "now trying to blame october 7 on mossad." "Now"? For the record, I was blaming Mossad here in UP on the same day, so it's not seb logic. I even see someone under that Tweet that I follow who was posting the same thing at the time. It was a very known theory that because jews did Pearl Harbor and 9/11 that they would do October... I want to say.... 15th?.. 4th?.. too.
Paramount Member	Mon Dec 09 02:20:25 ” Assad lost because he depended on Russia who’s now a paper tiger” Assad lost because he didn’t listen to what his allies and enemies was asking of him. He lost because the Syrians did not want to fight. They want to live under the boot of Islamists, Zionists and the US mafia.
Paramount Member	Mon Dec 09 02:22:18 [Rugian]: "WTF are the Israelis up to right now Asgard?" I explained it in the other thread. Israel is not gonna stop being jewish just because Assad is gone.
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Dec 09 05:34:58 "Update [from Manchester]: Kurdish barber militia encounters stiff resistance from Turkish-backed kebab houses" http://x.com/Lord_Thornton/status/1865856912895410320 Big if true.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Dec 09 05:50:54 I am holding a superposition on recent development in Syrian. On the one hand I am concerned about what will happen to the moderate and civilized players like the SDF, on the other hand I must celebrate the demise of the Axis of resistance as yet another domino on the road to Tehran has fallen. Currently the USA is backing the SDF, but the USA is a very unreliable partner in these matters. With that said the success of the Kurdish regions in Iraq is a model, not marketed enough as a success, an American made success in the Middle east. How about that!
jergul large member	Mon Dec 09 06:39:58 A russian blogger "...and Assad's tactical redeployment to new, more advantagous positions in Moscow" They sometimes have a way with words :D.
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Dec 09 08:16:45 Tweets from Thomas Massie: ---------- "It appears the deepstate, and the rebels they supported, went into overdrive to overthrow Assad when Trump won the election, knowing Trump would end U.S. meddling in Syria. This is my tweet in 2019 when Trump pulled back from Obama’s dangerous policy of destabilizing Syria." [December 9th, 2024] "The civil war in Syria has been devastating to #SyrianChristians and other groups. It, and the ruins of Iraq, created space and conditions for ISIS. The US was wrong to foment the war there. Thank you @realDonaldTrump for bringing sanity back to our foreign policy in Syria." [October 13th, 2019] http://x.com/RepThomasMassie/status/1866108897267736740 ---------- "Deepstate" is just Israeli interests. They are trying to put enough pretext in motion that Trump is cornered into carrying out Israel's genocides and ME-conquering after January 21st. Israel wants to topple their list of nations, kill the Christians in the region, and build Greater Israel from the ashes. A comment even reminds that this is the same Israeli deepstate that was trying to convince the general public with their propaganda lines about "[hur hur, Iran is trying to a55a55inate Trump]." It's just bullshit. We already know who is trying to a55a55inate Trump: the Regime, which is jewish Bolshevism. It is *they* who have been using Regime media to provoke a55a55ination. The utility of a Trump a55a55ination in terms of international Bolshevism is that there would be pretext for full commitment of these United States in Israel's Greater Israel project. Israel must be liberated and restored as the Kingdom of Jerusalem. DEUS VULT
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Dec 09 11:11:15 Oy vey! Israel-first traitor to these United States Ben Shapiro says that Israel destroying Syria's weapons during the chaos is good, actually, and that, sure, Syria's population of Christians are probably in danger, but look at the up side! Israel is toppling more Middle East countries for Greater Israel! http://x.com/AFpost/status/1865881040075542986 So anyways, dual citizenship is treason when?
Forwyn Member	Mon Dec 09 11:33:06 "BREAKING: Biden pledges to send aid to the new regime to rebuild Syria" lmao Every building tall enough to kill minorities and homosexuals with a throw has been levelled, need to rebuild those.
Paramount Member	Mon Dec 09 11:41:39 Isn’t it a crime to aid terrorists?
Paramount Member	Mon Dec 09 11:50:58 The leader of the new regime is the former Chief of al-Qaida, Abu Mohammad al-Julani. Is Genocide Joe gonna send American tax dollars to him before Trump is inaugurated?
Cherub Cow Member	Wed Dec 11 02:46:53 jews are excited to be stealing more land for Greater Israel: (jewish TikToker with lots of "kkhhhhh" sounds excited that Mount Hermon in southern Syria may fall now under Israeli power) http://x.com/Henrik_Palmgren/status/1866759757115101477 Weird how it's not just "Palestine" that is an "artificial creation" which "never existed". It's Syria too, per Ben Shapiro: http://x.com/IdiotObserver1/status/1866727076205883673 You can see why Bolsheviks will also claim that White people "never existed" and are an "artificial" identity. It's the same strategy. It's an occult self-fulfilling prophecy ritual. They hope that if they say that something "never existed" (a lie), they can *make it* so that it does not exist in the future. They're basically telling you whom they want to genocide.
Dukhat Member	Wed Dec 11 09:59:23 lol at foreskin pretending to care about minorities and homosexuals
obaminated Member	Wed Dec 11 11:35:53 There is a difference between not caring about minorities/homosexuals and not wanting them to be murdered for being minorities/homosexuals. For the record I believe forwyn is, at worst, indifferent to the plight of minorities and homosexuals.
Allahuakbar Member	Sat Dec 14 10:33:57 LOL http://www...ion-despair-flight-2024-12-13/ Assad's final hours in Syria: Deception, despair and flight December 13, 2024 Assad's secret escape blindsided almost everyone, aides say He deceived army brass, saying Russian help on way - sources Leader kept plans from brother and cousins, officials say Russia secured Assad's passage, ending 50-year family rule DUBAI, Dec 13 (Reuters) - Bashar al-Assad confided in almost no one about his plans to flee Syria as his reign collapsed. Instead, aides, officials and even relatives were deceived or kept in the dark, more than a dozen people with knowledge of the events told Reuters. Hours before he escaped for Moscow, Assad assured a meeting of about 30 army and security chiefs at the defence ministry on Saturday that Russian military support was on its way and urged ground forces to hold out, according to a commander who was present and requested anonymity to speak about the briefing. Civilian staff were none the wiser, too. Assad told his presidential office manager on Saturday when he finished work he was going home but instead headed to the airport, according to an aide in his inner circle. He also called his media adviser, Buthaina Shaaban, and asked her to come to his home to write him a speech, the aide said. She arrived to find no one was there. "Assad didn't even make a last stand. He didn't even rally his own troops," said Nadim Houri, executive director of the Arab Reform Initiative regional think-tank. "He let his supporters face their own fate." Reuters was unable to contact Assad in Moscow, where he has been granted political asylum. Interviews with 14 people familiar with his final days and hours in power paint a picture of a leader casting around for outside help to extend his 24-year rule before leaning on deception and stealth to plot his exit from Syria in the early hours of Sunday. Most of the sources, who include aides in the former president's inner circle, regional diplomats and security sources and senior Iranian officials, asked for their names to be withheld to freely discuss sensitive matters. Assad didn't even inform his younger brother, Maher, commander of the Army's elite 4th Armoured Division, about his exit plan, according to three aides. Maher flew a helicopter to Iraq and then to Russia, one of the people said. Assad's maternal cousins, Ehab and Eyad Makhlouf, were similarly left behind as Damascus fell to the rebels, according to a Syrian aide and Lebanese security official. The pair tried to flee by car to Lebanon but were ambushed on the way by rebels who shot Ehab dead and wounded Eyad, they said. There was no official confirmation of the death and Reuters was unable to independently verify the incident. Assad himself fled Damascus by plane on Sunday, Dec. 8, flying under the radar with the aircraft's transponder switched off, two regional diplomats said, escaping the clutches of rebels storming the capital. The dramatic exit ended his 24 years of rule and his family's half a century of unbroken power, and brought the 13-year civil war to an abrupt halt. He flew to Russia's Hmeimim airbase in the Syrian coastal city of Latakia, and from there on to Moscow. Assad's immediate family, wife Asma and their three children, were already waiting for him in the Russian capital, according to three former close aides and a senior regional official. Videos of Assad's home, taken by rebels and citizens who thronged the presidential complex following his flight and posted on social media, suggest he made a hasty exit, showing cooked food left on the stove and several personal belongings left behind, such as family photo albums. RUSSIA AND IRAN: NO MILITARY RESCUE There would be no military rescue from Russia, whose intervention in 2015 had helped turn the tide of the civil war in favour of Assad, or from his other staunch ally Iran. This had been made clear to the Syrian leader in the days leading up to his exit, when he sought aid from various quarters in a desperate race to cling to power and secure his safety, according to the people interviewed by Reuters. Assad visited Moscow on Nov. 28, a day after Syrian rebel forces attacked the northern province of Aleppo and lightning drive across the country, but his pleas for military intervention fell on deaf ears in the Kremlin which was unwilling to intervene, three regional diplomats said. Hadi al-Bahra, the head of Syria's main opposition abroad, said that Assad didn't convey the reality of the situation to aides back home, citing a source within Assad's close circle and a regional official. "He told his commanders and associates after his Moscow trip that military support was coming," Bahra added. "He was lying to them. The message he received from Moscow was negative." Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters on Wednesday that Russia had spent a lot of effort in helping stabilise Syria in the past but its priority now was the conflict in Ukraine. Four days after that trip, on Dec. 2, Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araqchi met with Assad in Damascus. By that time, the rebels from the Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (HTS) Islamist group had taken control of Syria's second-largest city Aleppo and were sweeping southwards as government forces crumbled. Assad was visibly distressed during the meeting, and conceded that his army was too weakened to mount an effective resistance, a senior Iranian diplomat told Reuters. Assad never requested that Tehran deploy forces in Syria though, according to two senior Iranian officials who said he understood that Israel could use any such intervention as a reason to target Iranian forces in Syria or even Iran itself. The Kremlin and Russian foreign ministry declined to comment for this article, while the Iranian foreign ministry was not immediately available to comment. ASSAD CONFRONTS OWN DOWNFALL After exhausting his options, Assad finally accepted the inevitability of his downfall and resolved to leave the country, ending his family's dynastic rule which dates back to 1971. Three members of Assad's inner circle said he initially wanted to seek refuge in the United Arab Emirates, as rebels seized Aleppo and Homs and were advancing towards Damascus. They said he was rebuffed by the Emiratis who feared an international backlash for harbouring a figure subject to U.S. and European sanctions for allegedly using chemical weapons in a crackdown on insurgents, accusations that Assad has rejected as a fabrication. The UAE government didn't immediately respond to a request for comment. Yet Moscow, while unwilling to intervene militarily, was not prepared to abandon Assad, according to a Russian diplomatic source who spoke on condition of anonymity. Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, attending the Doha forum in Qatar on Saturday and Sunday, spearheaded the diplomatic effort to secure the safety of Assad, engaging Turkey and Qatar to leverage their connections to HTS to secure Assad's safe exit to Russia, two regional officials said. One Western security source said that Lavrov did "whatever he could" to secure Assad's safe departure. Qatar and Turkey made arrangements with HTS to facilitate Assad's exit, three of the sources said, despite official claim by both countries that they had no contacts with HTS, which is designated by the U.S. and the U.N. as a terrorist organisation. Moscow also coordinated with neighbouring states to ensure that a Russian plane leaving Syrian airspace with Assad on board would not be intercepted or targeted, three of the sources said. Qatar's foreign ministry didn't immediately respond to queries about Assad's exit, while Reuters was unable to reach HTS for comment. A Turkish government official said there was no Russian request to use Turkish airspace for Assad's flight, though didn't address whether Ankara worked with HTS to facilitate the escape. Assad's last prime minister, Mohammed Jalali, said he spoke to his then-president on the phone on Saturday night at 10.30 pm. "In our last call, I told him how difficult the situation was and that there was huge displacement (of people) from Homs toward Latakia ... that there was panic and horror in the streets," he told Saudi-owned Al Arabiya TV this week. "He replied: 'Tomorrow, we will see'," Jalali added. "'Tomorrow, tomorrow', was the last thing he told me." Jalali said he tried to call Assad again as dawn broke on Sunday, but there was no response.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Dec 14 12:31:53 He just straight up ghosted everyone.
murder Member	Sat Dec 14 16:12:38 Now he gets to pal around with Edward Snowden. Until Trump pardons Snowden.
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