Utopia Talk / Politics / now we know what happened - syria

TheChildren Member	Mon Dec 09 09:40:30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcN2aZgr8Yg it is disgustin now we also know how these "rebels" was suddenly south and east as well... all funded by u know who
Paramount Member	Mon Dec 09 11:39:33 They support terrorism and genocide in order to expand their mafia empire.
Paramount Member	Mon Dec 09 12:19:57 Rebranded al-Qaida takes over. Big win for US, Israel and Turkey. http://youtu.be/D8pZgwOdIuA
Paramount Member	Mon Dec 09 13:41:01 Best explanation of how it could happen. Delivered by british former diplomat Alastair Crooke: http://www.youtube.com/live/UX2X9KT9Xmg When the ceasefire started in 2019, Russia offered to help Syria to re-equip the Syrian army and to train it. Strengthen it. But Assad said no. Iran warned Assad of trouble brewing on in Idlib, and that it was serious. But Assad didn’t want to listen. He dismissed it. There was the sanctions on Syria, and the US mafia was sitting on the Syrian oil, preventing Syria from getting an income from its own oil. Syria’s industrial hub, Idlib, was also occupied. So there was nothing to sustain the Syrian regime. A member of the Syrian army was being paid $7/month. A general $40/month. Army was demoralized. There was no motivation. It was in poor shape. Assad didn’t wanna listen to anyone. He refused Russia’s offer to strengthen the army. Alastair Crooke is also claiming that Assad has been trying to distance himself from Iran and Russia, believing that if he did that and moved closer to the Gulf states (and Israel/ USA), that his position as the leader of Syria would be protected. That can explain why he declined help from Russia and why he didn’t want to listen to Iran. He thought that his future was with the gulf states.
Paramount Member	Mon Dec 09 13:43:24 And look where he is now. In Moscow :o)
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Dec 09 14:10:06 Israel Not Prepared for Hezbollah’s Second Front - Alastair Crooke He sounds like a legit and trustworthy source with a proven track record of getting things right.
Paramount Member	Mon Dec 09 14:45:02 The Iranians says that Assad had stopped functioning as an effective political leader many months before. Probably true. Assad didn’t speak to the Syrian people one single time the past two weeks. He didn’t care. He just left the country. Lol
Paramount Member	Mon Dec 09 14:46:06 http://youtu.be/Ay41fytSZQM
murder Member	Mon Dec 09 15:55:31 Failure is an orphan. ;o)
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Dec 10 01:49:09 Are these the same “Iranians” that were pledging their support for Assad just 5 days ago and crying that the Shrine of Zeynan was going to fall into the hands of of the Takfiris? lol :-)
jergul large member	Tue Dec 10 05:46:16 Very unlikely to be the same "Iranians"
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Dec 10 06:04:17 It was a rhetorical question Jergul, they are the very same people as seen on IRIB. In true 1984 fashion they are rewriting the narrative. They even say "Aghaye" (Mr) Jolani has no interest in destroying the Shrine of Zeynab. Mr Jolani has also decreed that there is no mandatory Hijab and that women may not be harassed for how they dress or anything relating to modesty. Meanwhile, the Islamic republic has written a bunch of new laws to punish people for these very things. Islamic republic is regressing even compared to the Islamic State.
jergul large member	Tue Dec 10 07:16:18 Rewriting the narrative? Are we pretending AQ did not just take Syria? Its called politics. Change what you can. Accept what you cannot change. And have the wisdom to tell the difference. Same in the case of Jolani. He knows his position is weak. Reports say IDF tanks are advancing towards Damaskus to name one. Alawite women cannot wear hajibs if they wanted to, so that one was a no brainer.
jergul large member	Tue Dec 10 07:19:22 It is also not exactly stunning that Assad was trying to use the ceasefire to do some brinkmanship. Get Turkey, the US and gulf states more onboard by disengaging somewhat from Iran and Russia. He tried. It failed. Though not as miserably as Libya failed when it tried to balance catering to the West with remaining alive.
murder Member	Tue Dec 10 08:57:24 "Mr Jolani has also decreed that there is no mandatory Hijab and that women may not be harassed for how they dress or anything relating to modesty. Meanwhile, the Islamic republic has written a bunch of new laws to punish people for these very things. Islamic republic is regressing even compared to the Islamic State." The Taliban made a bunch of promises too. The words of terrorists aren't worth spit.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Dec 10 09:10:51 “Are we pretending AQ did not just take Syria?” We are talking about the Islamic republic, it’s too early to get confused. I forget you lack the proper context. It’s a bit like calling Trump a Nazi fascist threat to democracy and then you sit down with him for an interview like nothing. You lose credibility. In the case of the Islamic republic, it is credibility as the fulcrum of the Axis, credibility with the cult members (your base) you have whipped up in fervor, the nationalists and leftist etc and so. Everyone who has bet on the Islamic republic has a taste of shit in their mouth right now.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Dec 10 10:17:40 “The Taliban made a bunch of promises too. The words of terrorists aren't worth spit.“ This is true. I said this in the first days, they could go full Taliban. But that would reignite the war.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Dec 10 10:20:30 With that said, there are clear current among the Arabs of moving away from Islam. For reference see Jennifer Lopez concert in Saudi Arabia. That place has undergone some changes recently. There is hope.
Paramount Member	Tue Dec 10 11:22:07 ” Are these the same “Iranians” that were pledging their support for Assad just 5 days ago and crying that the Shrine of Zeynan was going to fall into the hands of of the Takfiris?” It was the IRGC. Two months ago.
TheChildren Member	Tue Dec 10 11:35:08 we witnessin wut da collapse is doing now. landgrabs and land theft
jergul large member	Tue Dec 10 11:38:11 So, it is sort of like how the US regime is verging on collapse after withdrawing from Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietam etc with a taste of shit in its mouth. The historical analogy is clear. Iran is as doomed as the USA.
jergul large member	Tue Dec 10 11:40:03 I would actually worry a bit at how cleanly Russia and Iran withdrew. You would sort of want the paralized and trapped by inertia, would you not?
Paramount Member	Tue Dec 10 11:50:34 Why is Israel bombing and invading Syria? The terrorists are diversity friendly and supported by USA and Turkey (Nato), and by Israel itself, supposedly. Their leader, al-Jewlani, has even said that they love Israel.
Rugian Member	Tue Dec 10 11:52:42 Treating Iran as the equivalent of the global superpower that is the US is, uh... ...well that's quite the choice of argument there jergul. Something tells me that Syria was slightly more important to Iran than Afghanistan was to the US.
TheChildren Member	Tue Dec 10 12:06:22 landgrabbin is happenin from da south, north and easty right now
jergul large member	Tue Dec 10 12:41:29 Ruggy Everything is important until it is not important. But, well, terrorists (by the US definition) are taking over everywhere it seems. Does that no longer taste like shit in your mouth? What about the military translators left behind? Not even a slight odour of faeces?
murder Member	Tue Dec 10 13:08:00 "Iran is as doomed as the USA." Well the US is screwed so ...
murder Member	Tue Dec 10 13:10:35 "What about the military translators left behind? Not even a slight odour of faeces?" Fuck them. Those translators should have picked up rifles and fought off the Taliban, instead of hoping we'd bring them to the US.
murder Member	Tue Dec 10 13:12:47 "Why is Israel bombing and invading Syria? The terrorists are diversity friendly and supported by USA and Turkey (Nato), and by Israel itself, supposedly. Their leader, al-Jewlani, has even said that they love Israel." Israel is taking advantage of the current lack of air defenses to make that situation permanent, and to rid Syria of as many weapons that can threaten Israel as possible.
murder Member	Tue Dec 10 13:13:54 Israel attacking naval and air bases in Tartous and Latakia. Just saying.
murder Member	Tue Dec 10 13:14:38 http://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cqx808q7lrno
TheChildren Member	Tue Dec 10 13:23:44 syria is bein carved and landgrabbed as we speak... da yankees r advancin from da east turks from da north and israelis from da south thieves be thievin.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Dec 11 01:19:55 This is brilliant! Everything that just happened in Syria is part of the Shia prophecy! Some dude called Sufyani (the anti-Mahdi) will rise and rule Syria, this is what facilitates the coming of Mahdi, the Messiah. :-) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sufyani This begs the question why all those IRGC fuckers were working against the prophecy for all those years!?!? Something doesn’t make sense…
jergul large member	Wed Dec 11 02:20:24 It begs the question why you think Iran is a monolith with a single thought. The larger the population of a country, the more perspectives you will find. Iran has marshes. It will have Florida men. It will also have the equivalent of daytime television evangelegists sharing their takes on developments in society.
jergul large member	Wed Dec 11 02:23:53 "More than a quarter of all radio and television programs produced in Iran are dedicated to Islamic and religious topics, new research shows. Out of a total of 345,000 hours of programs produced in the country in 2021, more than 70,000 hours were dedicated to Islamic teachings, the collaborative initiative Iran Open Data said in an article published on April 26." Source: The internet
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Dec 11 04:55:39 Does it really beg the question, when I systematically and to a T make the distinction between Iran, Islamic republic and even the IRGC - a revolutionary jihadi organization that does not even have the name Iran in its name and is guided by a specific ideology? Or! Are you someone with a documented record of failing reading comprehension and retardation? PSYCHED! It's not a real question :)
jergul large member	Wed Dec 11 05:05:18 We all know you catagorization skills leave somewhat to be desired nimi. Don't sweat it, though. A qualitative skillset when involving complex systems. I don't even think you want to be good at fuzzy studies, cutie <3.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Dec 11 05:33:58 Remember what I told you? You talk too much and listen too little? No, you did not figure things out whenever it is that your brain stopped taking in new information. No, your retardation is not the signs of enlightened understanding and/or intelligence/skills. You are being "A stupid" and given how easy it is to correct this specific.. Ah right. What signifies "cancer" is having lost the ability to correct and keep repeating the same mistake over and over..
jergul large member	Wed Dec 11 05:43:51 Now, I would never accuse you of projecting, but you have to admit there is something aerosesque "this can only mean war" about the ongoing saga of butterflies moving wings and how that will lead to the inevitable fall of the central Shia government in Iran. I personally approve. Every forum needs an aeros. Thanks for stepping up, cutie <3.
Cherub Cow Member	Wed Dec 11 06:20:33 [Nim]: "Or! Are you someone with a documented record of failing reading comprehension and retardation?" Oh cool. Talking about jergtard in here? Classic jergtard! I'm curious if you think that jergfag is illiterate? Like, literally. I get the impression that he doesn't speak English and is plugging things into Google Translate to function here. That's why his grammar is always fucked up, he doesn't understand things, he misrepresents arguments, and he says the exact opposite of what is actually happening. Then again, it *does* seem likely that he's just retarded. Thoughts, everyone?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Dec 11 06:46:24 Jergul And every forum needs a Hot Rod. CC The illiteracy is triggered by him getting angry and frustrated, because he is retarded. If you ask me, the inherent problem is the retardation, not illiteracy.
jergul large member	Wed Dec 11 06:58:10 You two would make a very sweet couple <3.
Cherub Cow Member	Wed Dec 11 07:09:51 [Nim]: "If you ask me, the inherent problem is the retardation, not illiteracy." That sounds accurate. He basically failed an IQ test that I gave him in another thread ("Mon Dec 09 04:18:56" http://uto...hread=93596&time=1733921153798 ). He does not have the cognitive capacity to manage multi-variable analysis. He even projected his failures in that thread onto you here: [jergtard (low-IQ agnosia-sufferer)]: "We all know you catagorization skills leave somewhat to be desired nimi. Don't sweat it, though. A qualitative skillset when involving complex systems." Ignoring his egregious grammatical errors and poor communication, his comment follows after I systematically explained to him that he is so low-IQ that he makes category and composition fallacies and cannot reconcile complexity. He basically took my argument and tried to use it on you — not because it fits, but because he did not understand the argument but *did* understand that it made him shit his pants.. so he was just hoping to say something similar and achieve the same effect. But, he didn't understand the argument (low-IQ), so he could not even replicate it successfully. He's pretty retarded.
jergul large member	Wed Dec 11 07:15:18 Yes, that sounds exactly like me. I am someone who cares deeply about what you think of me CC. I will try to overcome the deep hurt I feel by those unkind words <3.
jergul large member	Wed Dec 11 07:27:00 Anywhu, Russia is betting accepting realities on the ground and is talking with all parties in Syria. There is a significant chance the new regime will honour the base lease Russia has. The alternative is expropriation which in turn triggers compensation if Syria is aiming to have normalized relations with the international community. Israel is supposedly 25 km outside of Damaskus right now. A factor that plays in Russia's favour (Israeli and US interests are often viewed as intertwined). There is also the question of rearmament. It seems likely Russia has a role to play given Syria's heavy reliance on "Soviet" hardware.
murder Member	Wed Dec 11 09:15:55 I'm having a hard time imagining Syrians accepting Russian bases ... after the Russians bombed the fuck out of them in defense of their former oppressor. Frankly I'm not sure the Russians would be safe there anyway.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Wed Dec 11 10:30:34 CC “He does not have the cognitive capacity to manage multi-variable analysis.“ The master of linear thinking! Many years ago in a thread, I think it was Cloudstrife who said that there are only two possibilities (regarding Jergul’s behavior in the thread), “either he is trolling or he is retarded”. On the occasion I tried to give him a way out, he assured me he was not trolling.
obaminated Member	Wed Dec 11 11:37:20 He isn't trolling or retarded. Jergul is emotionally invested in arguing on behalf of Russia. So, he is a zealot.
murder Member	Wed Dec 11 12:18:37 Syrian rebel commander urges Israel to support uprising, strike Iran-backed forces lol :o)
Paramount Member	Wed Dec 11 12:50:41 Muhammed al-Jewlani
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