Utopia Talk / Politics / guess the race... ceo version #2

Cherub Cow Member	Wed Dec 11 07:52:56 Previous thread: http://uto...hread=93596&time=1733924533858
Cherub Cow Member	Wed Dec 11 07:53:06 [sebfag (Regime sycophant)]: "I mean obviously one doesn't drive structural change by shooting a CEO but your system is totally fucked. Just this massive rent seeking layer between health care provision and those with health care need. From an economic perspective it's a drag on your economy." False. One can indeed drive structural change in a society where individual people have value. Where politicians and CEOs fear the absolute and relentless ultra-violence of the public, they may learn either fear ..and move out of the way for lack of bravery.. or courage, where they overcome and act not as sebbish vultures but benevolent nobles. In the sickly mass-bureaucracies of Europe, there is very little nobility left, hence, thousands of bureaucrats would have to meet this kind of judgment on the streets before the wicked become fearful. But they would rightly be afraid. "Fear the moment." And it is sebguls who are a drain on the economy. In a managerial bureaucracy, the people are meaningless economic widgets, hence, genocidal jews such as sebfag have no issue murdering White people «en masse» and treating everyone like numbers on a spreadsheet (as is the nature of the NHS, which serves not the people but invaders and destroyers). Because the people are not sovereign in managerial bureaucracy, the system serves only vultures. This CEO was a warning to those who would continue to push managerialism in the West. They are not safe. The bureaucrats and merchants will know fear again, and they will know why they were always too weak to rule.
murder Member	Wed Dec 11 08:10:15 "Just this massive rent seeking layer between health care provision and those with health care need. From an economic perspective it's a drag on your economy." And we get worse outcomes.
Rugian Member	Wed Dec 11 08:48:26 You mean better outcomes? Try scheduling an appointment with the NHS and count the number of months it takes to see you. Try scheduling a procedure up in Canada and they'll tell you it would make better fiscal sense for you to kill yourself.
Rugian Member	Wed Dec 11 09:01:26 CC Correct me if I'm wrong, but you almost sound as if you're okay with a lone drugged-up leftist altering the state of the world's sole superpower, home to a third of a billion people, with little more than a bullet. I certainly don't want to see anarchists thinking that they can force a leftwing dystopia on us by murdering businessmen and rightwing politicians.
obaminated Member	Wed Dec 11 09:19:55 Apparently he is claiming he is innocent and is being framed or something. Like I said, it's gonna come out the guy is schizophrenic. Look at his rants online. They are all over the place. Women are creaming their pants because he is a pretty good looking dude in oddly good shape for a guy who is in crippling back pain (think his back issue is gonna turn out to be overblown). And fags on the left and far right love him because he is a pseudo intellectual. Both parties have decided ignore that he is also a murderer. Finally. Lots of people have back problems. Only this guy had the hubris to think he was the singular person who needed to act with violence to get his way. That isn't how democracy works.
murder Member	Wed Dec 11 09:21:03 "You mean better outcomes?" No, I mean worse outcomes. "Try scheduling an appointment with the NHS and count the number of months it takes to see you." Why would I do that when I can count the number of months it takes in the US? -
obaminated Member	Wed Dec 11 09:22:59 You know. Women in general are fucking dumb when it comes to dealing with high profile murderers. It's a mixture of the bad boy effect, I can fix him effect, only I understand him effect and he is stuck in a cell and can't cheat on me effect. Even the fucking night stalker had a stable of dumb bitches fighting to jump on his dick despite him being a rapist, murderer and a guy with horrible hygiene.
obaminated Member	Wed Dec 11 09:24:54 Oddly when my dad had pancreatic cancer he waited about a day before he began seeing specialists. Murder. You are truly an ignorant slut. There is a reason wealthy Canadians and brits come here for medical treatment.
murder Member	Wed Dec 11 09:29:06 "Oddly when my dad had pancreatic cancer he waited about a day before he began seeing specialists." If people in the UK had to wait months to begin treatment for pancreatic cancer, their survival rates would be much worse.
murder Member	Wed Dec 11 09:32:51 "Oddly when my dad had pancreatic cancer he waited about a day before he began seeing specialists." I'm sorry to hear that your dad had cancer.
Cherub Cow Member	Wed Dec 11 10:35:57 [Rugian]: "Correct me if I'm wrong, but you almost sound as if you're okay with a lone drugged-up leftist altering the state of the world's sole superpower, home to a third of a billion people, with little more than a bullet." Yeah, that's definitely not correct. Firstly, if you're claiming that the UnitedHealth shooter was a "leftist", then you're misinformed and should re-check the research from the previous thread. Secondly, I am talking about blowback. Left-wing collectivist-terrorists were given free license in the BLM–Antifa Insurrection of 2020; two left-wing shooters attempted to a55a55inate the right-wing opposition candidate; COVID czars and public health officials tyrannized the public during COVID; and health insurance providers, pharma CEOs, asset managers, and software makers further tyrannized by expanding their powers in the wake of the Biden totalitarianism. In this situation, either people start going to jail real fucking soon after January 21st, or there will be a *lot* more of these. I explained this in the previous thread. This is simply the political moment. [obaminated]: "Finally. Lots of people have back problems. Only this guy had the hubris to think he was the singular person who needed to act with violence to get his way." It is a bad take to think that it's *just* "back problems". He had had a *major* back surgery in 2023 following *years* of back pain from an injury. People with major back injuries typically live in agony, unable to move in even the slightest without causing waves and needles of pain (we use our backs for *everything*). For this reason, people who have had back surgeries often get prescribed pain medications and treatment which make life incredibly uncomfortable in other ways (e.g., brain fog, incontinence). It's basically a living hell that has to be constantly managed with meds. [obaminated]: "That isn't how democracy works." "Our democracy" is Bolshevism. If you mean the non-Bolshevik phrase, then did "democracy" work during the pandemic when totalitarian psychopaths were forcing people to get shots? A lot of people will be lucky to live the next 6 months if Trump does not bring charges against the COVID terrorists. Our First Amendment is for when argumentation works. But when the world gets too sebbish, we have the Second Amendment. Again, if people like Fauci, Walensky, Bouria, Hotez, Wen, Bancel, and Daszak do not go on trial next year, The Troubles will begin. That is how our *Republic* works. Treason and infiltration is solved by trials under the mechanisms of the state, but if people see that the state has failed to punish, then get used to whining about people "[not playing by rules waaaahh]" that were subverted by the Bolsheviks to spay and neuter the righteous. There are people who do not forget who tyrannized us.
obaminated Member	Wed Dec 11 11:30:34 The first amendment is for protection from government overreach. It was never intended to justify the use of a gun to settle personal grievances. And for a guy with severe back problems he sure seems to walk fine.
obaminated Member	Wed Dec 11 11:33:03 And I'm not denying he had back problems nor that he had surgery to put pins in his spine to correct it. I'm sure there is pain. But I believe it must be exaggerated just based on his physical build and the way he walks perfectly. He wouldn't be the first person to have a low tolerance for pain.
Rugian Member	Wed Dec 11 12:31:23 CC If this guy were anyone else, you'd be condemning his politics. I understand that he had something of a political morphing over time. Especially after he got addicted to drugs. The bottom line is that assassinations by either side should be totally outside of the realm of acceptability. And *if* the left considers them to be acceptable, then the right's first counter-target should be someone much better than UHC's CEO.
TheChildren Member	Thu Dec 12 01:35:31 "His fake driver's license was posted with that height, and others confirmed the height using his arrest pictures. " >> so he 5 foot 6 then quite clear wut happened 2 him. tcreud analysis kid was one them nerds, had 2 study lot coz family name on da line. he born rich so he got them shoes 2 fill. he studied his whole life. looks insecure coz weak and shit. so durin college he started roidin up. that how it starts. them roids make u go roidrage, he thinks he invincible and shit when he is not. starts doing crazy shit under da roidinfluence and whatdayaknow fd around and found out stevie o style. that how he got his back injured. he thought nottin of it coz roids and shit. little did he know back then, this was da beginnin of his pain. back injuries r permanent and with every dumbass move he did, his injuries started hurtin more and more. until is hurt so bad, he no longer able 2 train and roid and shit. so he got back surgery which fked him up even more coz back surgeries r permanent and his stupid roidrage moment he fucked himself up 4 life. which he is startin 2 realize now. he is 24y and alrdy fked up 4 life. which pisses him off at first. cant train and no more roids and his muscles melted away like snow be4 da sun. so he feels even more down. now he gettin anotha surgery and now they deny him da costs as well... so now he pissed and radicalizes and da rest is history. he is "smart" so they say. clearly not smart enuff. had da same clothes and weapon and ids and shit still with him days after. got ratted out at macciedeess coz he needed food and shit. his undoing was when he was in hormone state flirtin with some one and picture was taken. dat was da 1 time he didnt wear a mask. what an idiot, anotha idiotic moment i betcha he was like "no way, seriously" and from dat moment on everything went downhill since he had no food and shit. so eventually just took da chance at macciedees. and whatdayaknow, first macciedees and immediately got ratted out lol
TheChildren Member	Thu Dec 12 01:42:47 oh no he is no in good shape boyo. he was in good shape. his muscles was from be4 his back injuries before his stevie o stupid stunts. his roid muscles melted away after he got them back injuries which is permanent. he fked up and he knew it. roidmuscles aint loyal as shit. 3 weeks is all it takes 2 look like a mediocre faggot who never lifts. and his back made it so he could neva train again. which is where da real anger lies with him. da pain 2 but is da fact he startin 2 realize he fucked up his entire life at age 22 or something. by age 26, he just 1 mad and angry and when insurance canned his new surgery, he just gone mad.
Cherub Cow Member	Thu Dec 12 03:24:44 Can always could on TheChildren to say some retarded shit that completely departs from the available facts. [obaminated]: "and the way he walks perfectly." A person on pain-killers is not necessarily going to limp. [Obaminated]: "The first amendment is for protection from government overreach. It was never intended to justify the use of a gun to settle personal grievances" Wut? You might be comparing the wrong elements. The First Amendment allows the discussion (e.g., redress of grievances). Where the Regime and its bureaucrats shut down the First Amendment through endlessly convoluted processes, impossible conditions, corruption, and outright censorship and deplatforming, that discussion is made systematically irrelevant — only the Regime, its bureaucrats, and its apparatchiks have power in that situation. That's when the Second Amendment comes in. It's not about what the First Amendment itself provides, it's about the consequences of its destruction. In Luigi's case, his policy delayed care, hid behind loopholes, and denied coverage. To whom would he speak? What was his mode of redress? How may sebtards were between him and care? Can you convince even one sebtard of anything? We do not necessarily know how many steps he took in a years long process (e.g., lawyer? Lawsuits? Complaints?), but we know that he and his mother both suffered immensely and that he felt that they were not being helped. Let's pretend that he took every legal and reasonable action that he could to gain care and was not heard. What next? Wait to die like the character from "Rainmaker" while his policy was endlessly shuffled by hourly bureaucrats? Remain a "good" subject of an endless and unaccountable tyranny? I would say that in many cases where a good person is abused by a cold system, denied argument, minimized, and left to suffer after a broken compact by a maliciously vampiric entity, the right of absolute ultra-violence must be asserted. The only question is over how many wrongs George III in England should be able to commit before sovereign individuals form a nation against him. Does a low-IQ leftist have a right to violence because he tried nothing, was given too much, but just hates his father? No. He is weak and is overcome by himself before he even interacts with any larger system. But how many of any of us could take on UnitedHealth? What is the threshold? Which leads to... [Rugian]: "The bottom line is that assassinations by either side should be totally outside of the realm of acceptability. It's not a matter of the Second Amendment being off the table, it's a matter of how far someone can be pushed before *righteously* wielding it. If there is no limit to how far, then tyranny wins by default and the Second Amendment is just a pretense for cowards to cling to while forgoing all action. [Rugian]: "If this guy were anyone else, you'd be condemning his politics." Not so. I kind of addressed this in this comment, but what matters to me is how much he tried to overcome the system before taking this course of action. A leftist does not try; a slavish welfare recipient will sit idle asking for more free goods and then burn his neighborhood when a criminal is prosecuted; he is not justified. A right-wing person usually exhausts thousands of avenues and will even detect whether or not a better person could overcome more before taking such a course him or herself. So as an inherent state, someone with right-wing politics who takes this kind of action has likely tried quite a bit. I was able to tell that he is right-wing from just the video because of the amount of effort required just for the crime itself and the discipline needed to perform it. Going through his Twitter was almost redundant at that point, though it proved it further since he was specifically following accounts that no leftist — not even one on a journey — would come across. [Rugian]: "And *if* the left considers them to be acceptable, then the right's first counter-target should be someone much better than UHC's CEO." I explained this in the last thread. If we are entering the Troubles (as opposed to Trump stopping the Troubles by putting traitors in jail), then people are not just going to go after one big target, like a tsar or a president or a governor. They will go after whoever is the biggest and most available target. Could AOC be gotten to? Probably so, but not for someone who lives across the country. In the Irish Troubles, people would attack local bars, small-time politicians, political opposition whose addresses were known, and even the opposition's security guards. People will just start dying. There's a lot on the line for Trump's first few months.
Cherub Cow Member	Thu Dec 12 03:25:17 *"Can always cou[nt] on"
TheChildren Member	Thu Dec 12 03:52:59 nottin but facts in my posts yankouds and westoids always add inches 2 there height. all claim 2 be 6 feet tall. in reality is more like 5 foot 6 joe rogan is 5 foot 4, how does that make u feel lol
obaminated Member	Thu Dec 12 09:45:58 Yeah for some reason I saw first amendment and jumped to second amendment. My bad.
murder Member	Thu Dec 12 10:22:12 "joe rogan is 5 foot 4, how does that make u feel lol" Like I'm a foot taller than Joe Rogan. Like I want to sit behind him in a theater. Like that's a lot of stupid to pack into a 5'4 frame. -
obaminated Member	Thu Dec 12 11:25:03 He is 5 8....
murder Member	Thu Dec 12 12:43:15 Not likely. He's definitely short. He's noticeably short. It's not easy to find a picture of him with someone else where he's the taller one. Often times he's dwarfed. He's not Kevin Hart short, but he's short. -
obaminated Member	Thu Dec 12 14:39:06 Eh, Google says 5 8. He stands next to professional athletes most of the time.
TheChildren Member	Thu Dec 12 15:12:49 yankoids lie bout there heights and google simply copy pastes fool he short http://youtu.be/wB1P7BuhfB4?t=155
TheChildren Member	Thu Dec 12 15:14:04 http://www...le_know_this_but_joe_rogan_is/
obaminated Member	Thu Dec 12 16:55:35 Yeah he isn't tall but 5 4 is absurd.
TheChildren Member	Thu Dec 12 21:33:39 like they tell u "celeb x" is 5 foot 10 but in reality dude is 3 inches over projected this been going on 4 like 20 years now. every body knows always deduct 3-4 inches
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Dec 17 02:26:49 [TheChildren]: "yankouds and westoids always add inches 2 there height. all claim 2 be 6 feet tall. in reality is more like 5 foot 6" Lying retard. Why are leftists always lying? Because they're fucking weak and pathetic and lie to gain the power they lack in reality — that's why. sebguls *have* to lie for power because no one would follow a dysgenic freak in the world as it is. TheChildren *has* to lie about China and everything else because he is a paper tiger. Like I said, Mangione's fake license says, "5'10"", his real license says, "5'10"", a police citation lists him as 5'10" ( https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14181715/luigi-mangione-thomas-dickey-extradition-ceo-shooting-manifesto.html ), and additional sources used his jail photos and standing height in video to confirm that that is indeed his actual height. One TikTok autist even used car heights and the height of drain covers to pin it to 5'10 5/8": http://www.tiktok.com/@shanefanx/video/7446811350455864622 Weaklings such as TheChildren like to derail with their retard speak, but it's always delusional nonsense.
Cherub Cow Member	Tue Dec 17 02:26:59 Speaking of retards saying retard shit: "The United CEO Story Stinks Like a Full Diaper - Razör Rants" [The Rageaholic; December 16th, 2024] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOJ7LBcGTeI Retarded things that Razörfist said or insinuated: 1) hur hur, why was he eating at a McDonald's if he's super fit? Something doesn't add up! 2) hur hur, the surveillance video looks different than some other photos (muh eyebrows theory!) 3) hur hur, he had his manifesto on him! That makes no sense! And what are the answers to these questions? 1) Mangione took an interstate train from the George Washington Bridge Station in NYC to the Altoona, Pennsylvania Amtrak station, arriving sometime before his arrest at 9 AM on December 4th. What restaurants were open near the Amtrak station at that time? Only McDonald's (opens 6am, 11-minute walk) and a busy diner (opens 7 AM, 5-minute walk). The train had passed by the McDonald's to get to the train station, btw, so Mangione would have seen that it was open without needing to use his phone. Police reported that they recovered his phone in NYC, since he ditched it after the killing. There is no word on whether he had a secondary phone — just the laptop. So, assuming he arrived between 7 AM and 9 AM, he only had two options, and between the two, most people tend to go to familiar places rather than new options. McDonald's are also impersonal, whereas a diner has a lot of face-time risks for a person on the run. (Turns out that that did not help, since a McDonald's cashier called the police.) 2) This theory that the hostel pictures look different from other arrest and surveillance images is retarded. The hostel pictures were washed out, highlighting white colors, which would easily wash out Mangione's partial uni-brow. This can be compared directly. The hostel was the "HI New York City Hostel", and images of its interior from regular cell phone images on Google show that it has dark black tiles and a pure-black couch in the lobby. In images of Mangione taken from that hostel's lobby security, those same tiles and couch appear light grey (i.e., surveillance washed-out the image). 3) Oh, are there ideal ways to release manifestos? Kaczynski himself had to threaten additional bombings to get his manifesto published by Janet Reno. We know also that police have the trans-manifesto but still refuses to publish. SubStack is apparently okay with deleting content. The Wisconsin shooter attempted to use Google docs, but Google docs has issues giving permissions, so her Internet-BF had to release it. The Guardian deleted Osama Bin Laden's manifesto when the "wrong" people started reading it. Where is the Vegas shooter's manifesto? People seriously need to ask themselves if there is even an ideal way to satisfy the concerns of the excessively conspiracy-minded, because some of these people are dangerously close to the solipsistic view of conspiracy, which is basically that there's no way to say that anything at all is real. Whereas, there are indeed fact patterns. Also, images have been released of the weapon used. It was a 3D-printed Glock-lower/frame and a purchased Glock-upper/slide and threaded-barrel: http://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/12/us/unitedhealthcare-luigi-mangione-gun.html Gray Hughes does a good video breaking down some of the known details, though this is from 10 days ago when people were still mis-identifying the weapon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkFrchSI7tE
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