Utopia Talk / Politics / Dune tv show - ot

obaminated Member	Wed Dec 11 11:39:19 Anyone else watching it? I've never read the books so I have no idea how lore accurate it is. I'm on episode 3. I'm enjoying it so far. It isn't amazing. It isn't bad. It's good with a nice production design and interesting characters.
Asgard Member	Thu Dec 12 00:44:07 Is the protagonist a fat black lesbian with red hair? And is the antagonist an evil young white guy? If not, i’m not watching!
jergul large member	Thu Dec 12 03:02:15 That was your take on the prequel to hunger games?
Seb Member	Thu Dec 12 05:42:01 Lovely visuals and similar visual language to the new films; but just feels a bit leaden. GoT did political intrigue a lot better and with more sophistication. That's a problem for a show that's basically entirely court intrigue. All the plots and scheming are very very obvious and also everyone keeps explaining them.
Seb Member	Thu Dec 12 05:43:05 Basically, it doesn't compare well to my current binge shows: the silo and (late to the party) for all mankind.
Seb Member	Thu Dec 12 05:43:19 Not bad, just meh.
Seb Member	Mon Dec 16 17:10:59 Ok that last episode was pretty good. Ruthless sacrificing of pawns to get your key pieces into position without it being quite so painfully explained.
jergul large member	Mon Dec 16 23:45:57 I get the mansplaining. Lynch's Dune failed on that point. So things were wierd for those unfamiliar with the book. Caution is the better part of valour.
jergul large member	Mon Dec 16 23:47:06 Waiting on the last episode until wife gets back from town. So without that context.
Seb Member	Tue Dec 17 01:24:56 Explaining unfamiliar in universe concepts (like the vendetta rules, thinking machine ban) to a room full of people who would obviously know them is one thing. Over explaining the very obvious motivations for doing a thing and why that thing advances your agenda like a Shakespearean play or a cartoon aimed at young children ... that annoys me. First few episodes were a bit clunky.
Seb Member	Tue Dec 17 01:29:42 And actually, I think it is potentially making the Lynch mistake with what the dreams are about.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Dec 17 02:31:01 Not going to please everyone. It will undoubtedly appeal to some of the new audience, but bore others who rather you pull them in with the drama, before you burden them with facts about a world they are not emotionally invested it. I'm sure there is a balance to be struck, but it is hard. On the whole I am OK with stories having a rough start, you need to start somewhere.
Asgard Member	Tue Dec 17 06:11:03 Nimi, Importantly, are there trans Bene Geserit? Because if there aren’t any this show is like totally transphobic
Asgard Member	Tue Dec 17 06:12:06 Free palestine! Free trans bene geserit!
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Tue Dec 17 08:24:23 I have no actually seen the show :)
Seb Member	Tue Dec 17 10:46:41 Exposition to explain facts about the world is fine. Not as good as when it's shown, but fine. Explaining the actual drama, on the other hand, is normally a sign that the writers haven't provided it: like explaining the joke.
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