Utopia Talk / Politics / Ancestry USA

jergul large member	Thu Dec 12 03:48:34 1. 48 million African-American 2. 41 million German 3. 37 million Mexican 4. 31 million English 5. 30 million Irish Well, well, well. It does not seem like "English" has much claim to the USA at all, does it?
jergul large member	Thu Dec 12 04:03:15 I got to thinking. CC has laid claim to Norse Sami-Norwegian by way of the Normans, then English as a core US tenant. But she does seem to have some issues with the actual Sami-Norwegians (myself) and English (Seb) in this forum. She also leans quite heavily on German philosophers in here musings, so I think perhaps she has fundamentally missed what statistics show are the basis for what it means to be American. No, not the blacks. They have been successfully ghettofied or interned in camps. So that leaves the Germans. Makes sense. Hitler's speeches are also gibberish when translated to Norwegian. Its not only Trump's.
TheChildren Member	Thu Dec 12 04:23:06 west uk does not belong 2 da english it is time 2 abolish da english language in west uk cough errr i mean usa. but certainly should consider how english shuld not be da only official language
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Dec 12 05:55:13 Africa is a continent with a diverse ethnic and cultural make up, you retarded racist piece of shit.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Dec 12 05:59:15 This is a classic "either Jergul is trolling or he is retarded". Why would he troll white people by being racist towards black Americans and describing them as an "African" blob. The only person here who does that is Sam Adams.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Dec 12 06:00:35 Yes. You guessed correctly. It is not a real choice, he is retarded.
Rugian Member	Thu Dec 12 07:40:48 Yeah. Um, this is a bad take jergul. (Hint hint: Multiethnics. They are a thing here)
jergul large member	Thu Dec 12 08:35:03 Nimi and Ruggy Sadly, cultural awareness and language study groups were sadly lacking on the slave plantations. Converging eventually into a African American identity. Sure, there is some identity tourism, but still within the framework of a common cultural and liguistic heritage. But that is a bit of an aside. Afro-Americans have been successfully ghettofied or interned in camps. German is the group I am directing CC's attention towards.
jergul large member	Thu Dec 12 08:35:37 A should mention the catagories are based on self-reporting.
jergul large member	Thu Dec 12 08:39:04 But that is an interesting point frankly. Feel free to explain to me why African Americans are not allowed to identify as African Americans.
jergul large member	Thu Dec 12 08:52:04 Yoruba seems to be the dominant genetic contribution. I suppose we could classify every 10th African American as British if we wanted to be pendantic. But again, the classification was based on self-reporting. "Correspondingly, Montinaro et al. (2014) observed that around 50% of the overall ancestry of African Americans traces comes from a population similar to the Niger-Congo-speaking Yoruba of southern Nigeria and southern Benin, reflecting the centrality of this West African region in the Atlantic slave trade. The next most frequent ancestral component found among African Americans was derived from Great Britain"
Rugian Member	Thu Dec 12 08:54:17 "English Americans (historically known as Anglo-Americans) are Americans whose ancestry originates wholly or partly in England. In the 2020 United States census, English Americans were the largest group in the United States with 46.5 million Americans self-identifying as having some English origins (many combined with another heritage) representing (19.8%) of the White American population. This includes 25,536,410 (12.5%) who were "English alone".[17]" Despite them being the largest self-identified ancestral origin in the United States,[18] demographers still regard the number of English Americans as an undercount.[19] As most English Americans are the descendants of settlers who first arrived during the colonial period which began over 400 years ago, many Americans are either unaware of this heritage or choose to elect a more recent known ancestral group[20] even if English is their primary ancestry.[21]" http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Americans
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Dec 12 09:02:15 "Africa American" is an multi-ethnic group or race, not an ancestry. And as far as that goes it is the second largest after White Americans. In both cases the specific ancestry is diverse as your further googling reveals, this is the case black people in America as well. You are a never ending stream of retardation. And like clock work these little fuck ups an melt downs come right off the back of good old fashion spanking by someone on UP. Apparently CC molested you bad for you to come and fuck up basic concepts like (multi)ethnicity/Race and ancestry.
jergul large member	Thu Dec 12 09:14:27 Like I said, you are not very good a fuzzy studies qualitative analysis, cutie <3. It is not very multi ethnic at all given that in a "choose 1" self-reporting scheme, even if Black Americans slavishly followed genetics, it would still give only one outcome "Yoruba" as that is the dominant genetic background for the true melting pot that was the African American fate. Alternatively "British" as that is the second largest contribution genetically. Ruggy A different question. 31 million choose English if forced to choose 1. But good job indicating some intermarriages between groups has occured!
jergul large member	Thu Dec 12 09:20:58 Ultimately, it is a side-effect of slavery and systemic racism that gave rise to African American as a self-reporting group identifier. Erase the past and people will either assimilate if that is allowed, or create a group identity if assimilation is not allowed. 48 million identify as African American. 31 million as English.
jergul large member	Thu Dec 12 09:24:45 Nimi The absolute dominant emotion I share in this forum is a fondness for you and CC. I knew it sucks to be a visible minority in Sweden and you have my greatest sympathy. CC has other challenges I sympathise greatly with too.
jergul large member	Thu Dec 12 09:26:13 quantative* Sorry about that. I know you would not even want to be good at quantative analysis. Fuzzy studies as it is.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Dec 12 09:28:37 Still does not understand the difference between ancestry (genetic lineage) like British or Yoruba and ethnicity/race like white/black, which are multi ethnic and have multiple sources of ancestry. Are you seriously that retarded that you still do not understand the problem with your OP? Or do you think orange and the recipe for apple pie are comparable with each other?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Dec 12 09:34:27 "The absolute dominant emotion I share in this forum is a fondness for you and CC" Forced and contrived. But who am I to tell you how to cope with your cognitive impairment.
jergul large member	Thu Dec 12 09:35:09 Ancestry in this context refers to how people self-identify. That is obvious, cutie <3. Though like I said, it does not inherently matter as Black Americans as a whole would be classified mono-ethnically as "Yoruba" given the melting pot effects caused by slavery erasing culture and language. I am glad I could clear this up for you <3
jergul large member	Thu Dec 12 09:38:02 Au contraire cuties, it is not forced and contrived at all. Kindness and sympathy cost nothing. It is just a healthy frame of mind to have. I do remember that I once thought you were an ingrate. Did anything good come of that? Nothing at all in my opinion. We can all chose to be a better version of ourselves. Kindness and sympathy are small steps in that direction <3.
jergul large member	Thu Dec 12 09:46:20 I don't begrudge you your little outbursts. I can remember back when I too also became way to emotionally engaged in things I saw on the internet. A hard habit to break, but it gets easier with maturity.
obaminated Member	Thu Dec 12 09:52:25 Guys, jergul is right. Africans from the continent of Africa are all the same. You cannot tell the difference from a Congolese and a Tunisian. They are all the same.
jergul large member	Thu Dec 12 10:05:14 Obam You may want to google the term "African American". You may find that helpful.
obaminated Member	Thu Dec 12 11:24:06 Is Germany a continent or a country?
jergul large member	Thu Dec 12 11:41:29 Neither in regards to self-reporting in the OP. More correctly would be German speaking areas. Or the Greater Reich if you prefer that terminology.
obaminated Member	Thu Dec 12 11:52:16 Point is you are comparing apples to oranges and attempting to make a point. Like. You are trying to argue 20% of the American population is black and you are doing it with a straight face. Why even pick this fight? Did CC own you that badly that she broke your brain?
murder Member	Thu Dec 12 12:35:20 "Why even pick this fight? Did CC own you that badly that she broke your brain?" ... "German is the group I am directing CC's attention towards." -
jergul large member	Thu Dec 12 12:39:44 I am comparing the numbers people self-identify as. 20% of 330 million is 66 million incidentally. But yes, 48 million Americans identify as African-American. Does that unnerve you? I was surprised by that angle. My argument was that German was both a better fit for CCs musings and also better grounded in data as the core US geist. The number of people identifying as African-American is not relevant in my opinion. The demographic is too marginalized.
jergul large member	Thu Dec 12 12:50:51 Not that I mind the distraction. I am curious, could you tell a African-American coworker that "Achtully, there is no such thing as African-American as slaves came from an entire continent with many ethnicities" without immediate involvement from Corporat HR? Or a punch in the face if you have that kind of job.
Rugian Member	Thu Dec 12 13:19:24 I'd be very curious if anyone here could actually distinguish between an English-American and a German-American. There was a time when we knew how to assimilate foreigners. Sigh.
murder Member	Thu Dec 12 13:20:47 "I'd be very curious if anyone here could actually distinguish between an English-American and a German-American." Of course not. All whites look alike. :o)
jergul large member	Thu Dec 12 13:46:03 Ruggy That is kind of my point. Assimilation, yes. But to what? CC is understating the German contribution to the American geist imo, so ends up trying to redundantly shoe in a Germanic contribution by way of the Norman conquest. The true answer is simply. The core volksgeist is german once we disregard **Hollywood** (we all remember what **...** means, right?).
Sam Adams Member	Thu Dec 12 21:46:48 Why do negroes count as a continent and europeans are broken down by country. Seems like woke bs to me. "It does not seem like "English" has much claim to the USA at all, does it?" Of course it does. 99% of american history are done by englishmen or jews. And jews of those times didnt have a county. Thus english takes our national identity. Except with freedom added in.
Sam Adams Member	Thu Dec 12 21:49:17 Seriously can you think of a non english non jew who kicked ass? Longstreet was dutch. Roosevelt sounds dutch. Yeager is german ofcourse.
jergul large member	Thu Dec 12 22:11:19 Sammy Asked and answered. The downside of slavery's erasure of language and culture. Black Americans fuzed into a common heritage identity. Not terribly wrong genetically either. The predominant genetic load is "Yuruba". I googled Armstrong for fun "He was of German, English, Scots-Irish, and Scottish descent.[6][7] He is a descendant of Clan Armstrong". A lot of what you think it English is not that. Armstrong was about as English as an average black person is.
jergul large member	Thu Dec 12 22:12:20 Another one. Billy the kid "Henry McCarty was born to parents of Irish Catholic ancestry".
jergul large member	Thu Dec 12 22:14:56 Half english, so I found one: Davy Crockett was paternally of French and Scotch-Irish descent, while maternally of English descent. The Crocketts were mostly of French-Huguenot ancestry, although the family had settled in Ulster in the north of Ireland before migrating to the Americas
jergul large member	Thu Dec 12 22:20:06 Custer Germian-Scot (Armstrong again)-English. Feel free to stab at it. But that 99% theory seems absolutely wrong.
patom Member	Fri Dec 13 04:33:00 Actually we are more a mongrel society. When I was a kid growing up in the Philadelphia area there were all sorts of ethnic neighborhoods. For you, maybe you would call them ghettos. There were in those neighborhoods Irish, Polish, Italian, German enclaves where people still conversed in their respective tongues. A club I used to go to on Sundays, before Sunday sales of liquor were allowed in regular bars was originally established to teach English to Polish immigrants. As the flow of Polish immigrants slowed it became a more or less drinking club. You had to have a membership to join and trust me the majority of members were not of Polish descent. Most of the Caucasian Americans inter bred quite freely, thus the perception that America is a predominantly white country.
patom Member	Fri Dec 13 04:45:12 Just using your figures 48 million African 139 million German, English, Irish, Mexican (?) African are outnumbered almost 3 to 1 Throw in French, Italian, Eastern European, Southern European. The numbers become even sketchier. But with the more and more common inter marriage between the races, being ignored by most people, it will be more difficult to pit one against the other on a racial basis. There is always the old standby religion to keep the masses fighting each other while the wealthy exploit them.
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