Utopia Talk / Politics / DC plane crash

Sam Adams Member	Wed Jan 29 20:54:58 Hearing a mil helo got in front of a crj.
murder Member	Wed Jan 29 21:08:05 Maybe we'll finally get our air traffic control problem fixed now.
Sam Adams Member	Wed Jan 29 21:18:42 Doesnt look like many if any survived :(
Sam Adams Member	Wed Jan 29 21:21:03 Military planes need to stay the fuck away from civil airports unless they turn on civil transponders. Also dei atc issues?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Jan 29 21:34:20 'many people are saying' it was Hegseth on a booze run or taking an intern for a joyride
obaminated Member	Wed Jan 29 23:03:18 Only tw would fault a guy for getting pussy.
Dukhat Member	Wed Jan 29 23:04:45 Too much DEI air controllers. Bunch of white dudes who failed to get into the military and play armchair general on internet forums instead of doing their fucking jobs.
obaminated Member	Wed Jan 29 23:06:23 Yeah that's it cuckhat. Keep believing that. 4 survivors so far. They fell into the Potomac. Dunno what condition they would be in. I guess the plane must've been relatively low for them to survive the fall.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Jan 29 23:43:31 helpful insight from the CIC: " The airplane was on a perfect and routine line of approach to the airport. The helicopter was going straight at the airplane for an extended period of time. It is a CLEAR NIGHT, the lights on the plane were blazing, why didn’t the helicopter go up or down, or turn. Why didn’t the control tower tell the helicopter what to do instead of asking if they saw the plane. This is a bad situation that looks like it should have been prevented. NOT GOOD!!! " the helicopter wouldn't be going at the plane 'for an extended period of time'... being semi-scientifically-minded, i know both objects were in motion (& very unlikely straight at each other)... fucking idiot speculating off a Fox News report probably, as why get factual info before informing the public?
obaminated Member	Wed Jan 29 23:50:18 Lol tw knows more about a situation they has zero information released than the sitting president. You can't help yourself can you?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Jan 30 00:03:03 yeah, sadly i do... self-evidently so... if you shoot an arrow at a moving target do you aim at the target? & is the arrow heading at the target the whole time?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Jan 30 00:25:02 Hegseth confirmed as not on the helicopter (as the Fox News transportation secretary said he talked to the Fox News defense secretary... as well as w/ Trump which serves no purpose ever) so even though obaminated is fine w/ the married def sec taking out military vehicles for joyrides to impress side pieces, that is not the case here
Sam Adams Member	Thu Jan 30 00:25:15 Trump has valid points. While many many things failed tonight the most egregious were the actions of the blackhawk and then the air traffic controller.
Sam Adams Member	Thu Jan 30 00:44:37 Trumps response is actually quite competent for a politician within a few hours...
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Jan 30 00:45:13 the controller seems to have said to pass behind the jet (though maybe not soon enough)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Jan 30 00:58:34 the air traffic audio: http://x.com/PIC_Colleen/status/1884824650057916897 (some posts are stupidly clipping out the silence parts making it seem like stuff happening in quicker succession... about 15 secs from "pass behind" to crash reaction)
Sam Adams Member	Thu Jan 30 01:01:25 Yes the controller told the blackhawk to see and avoid and pass behind the passenger. The retard flying the blackhawk said he had the jet in siight(obviously that retard was looking at something else) and somehow missed the amazingly bright landing light of the jet he was supposed to be tracking coming right at him. Fortunately this particular retard is dead and wont make this mistake again. This behaviour is so egregious that whoever hired trained and retained this asshole should be fired. The controller somewhow missed all of this. Unfortunately he/she is still alive and could make this mistake again. The jet could have seen the blackhawk though it is not nearly as well lit and the automatic collision alert is inhibited at very low altitude because the industry is too lazy to code up a proper fix to nuisance alarms near airports, and the military helo might not have been transmitting anyway. So the jet pilots get a bit of a pass, though they obviously could have done better. Whoever approved military training flights right over national at night obviously deserves the old shitcan too.
obaminated Member	Thu Jan 30 02:02:50 So, tw, trump knew more than you and was correct that the Blackhawk got in the way of a routine path for the plane. Fucking moron tw. You are a fucking moron.
jergul large member	Thu Jan 30 02:41:43 You are losing military aircraft faster than Ukraine and Russia combined since Trump became president.
Paramount Member	Thu Jan 30 03:16:46 Were they training Ukrainian pilots on the orders of Joe Biden at the airport?
murder Member	Thu Jan 30 10:38:16 Turns out it was the dwarfs that were hired under Biden's DEI program that were at fault.
murder Member	Thu Jan 30 10:42:08 Correction: It was a severely mentally and physically disabled halfbreed illegal immigrant rapist male tranny dwarf that was responsible for the crash.
murder Member	Thu Jan 30 10:55:44 The US needs to ground all flights. It's clearly not safe to fly due to all the Biden DEI hires.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Jan 30 11:10:10 "So, tw, trump knew more than you and was correct" no he didn't, you fucking idiot if a president comes out to comment on an unfolding story, you'd expect it to be just like any official might from a podium... does his post read like that? No, he's extremely clearly just 'grandpa shouting at TV' mode, and mis-repeating info being said on TV. (i doubt ANYONE claimed 'straight at' plane for 'extended period of time') plus we -know- he's just commenting on the TV by his "Why didn’t the control tower tell the helicopter what to do instead of asking if they saw the plane"... that's not what you say after receiving inside info, he's presuming everyone already knows what he's talking about (as he often does when yelling at the TV). Plus it's a false implication that the controller didn't say what to do. ------- apparently he's also now blaming DEI w/ no explanation... the controller sounds like a white guy to me, but maybe he's gay? obviously a gay person can't be qualified... (or it's the 99% most likely scenario that he doesn't know a fucking thing, & again making shit up... as he ALWAYS does)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Jan 30 11:16:25 oh, actually here's a clip of Trump admitting he has NOTHING backing his claim diversity was the problem: http://bsky.app/profile/acyn.bsky.social/post/3lgxxlxxqrg2a plus him admitting he's not sure if the controller made a mistake (after casting blame on him in his 'grandpa yelling at TV' post) totally ridiculous
murder Member	Thu Jan 30 11:56:47 Trump doesn't approve of hiring unqualified people to increase diversity ... he only hires unqualified people to increase loyalty to himself.
Dukhat Member	Thu Jan 30 12:47:27 The pilot and air traffic controller were both white men. But somehow a DEI program that existed the entirety of Trump's first term is to blame. It's only the second week of this fucking moron's presidency. Jesus.
earthpig GTFO HOer	Thu Jan 30 13:01:00 @SA - Is it actually the case that military aircraft routinely fly near civilian airports with transponders off? If it's 9/11 part 2 or some other crazy non-training scenario, or it's a spy plane at some crazy altitude, or airspace that's carved out for exclusive military use, whatever, that could make total sense, but it shouldn't be the default/standard...
earthpig GTFO HOer	Thu Jan 30 13:06:51 "Trumps response is actually quite competent for a politician within a few hours..." It's his well known recency bias. Biden had it too, old man thing, they are at their best and most coherent when they are simply parroting what the last person they discussed a subject with said. It's why Susie Wiles, to her credit, was only willing to accept the WH chief of staff job if she controlled Trump's calendar and appointments. She made sure Trump spoke with a competent professional before speaking. We're going to spend the next 4 years with it being very clear when Trump set his own agenda and appointments, and when Susie Wiles is pulling the strings, keeping the leash at an appropriate length, and setting him up for success.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Jan 30 13:23:18 "She made sure Trump spoke with a competent professional before speaking" i see no indication of this happening, he wasn't saying anything that wasn't being said on TV (or that he made-up)
Sam Adams Member	Thu Jan 30 13:23:30 "Is it actually the case that military aircraft routinely fly near civilian airports with transponders off?" Yes, their transponders are often off or in various military modes. No, most airports dont allow military traffic without civil transponders on so close to airliners, but DCA had a retarded exception in place, which i suspect will end. Last nights helicopter transponder was not transmitting on civil mode but was on a fairly standard/public military mode, which i dont think is visible to the airliners tracker.
kargen Member	Thu Jan 30 13:27:51 "if you shoot an arrow at a moving target do you aim at the target? & is the arrow heading at the target the whole time?" that depends. Is the target heading straight at you? Bad analogy though as once you let the arrow fly you are unable to adjust the flight. With a plane or helicopter the flight path can be adjusted.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Jan 30 13:28:13 various commentary/speculation is helicopter at higher altitude than should've been, plus night-vision goggles restrict peripheral vision, plus helicopter pilot may have been thinking controller was talking about the other jet seen flying around in the crash video crash video: http://bsk...bsky.social/post/3lgxip5qdt22f
Sam Adams Member	Thu Jan 30 13:30:51 So i should say it was common practice at DCA, but should obviously not have been.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Jan 30 13:32:07 " Is the target heading straight at you? Bad analogy though as once you let the arrow fly you are unable to adjust the flight. With a plane or helicopter the flight path can be adjusted. " i said it was very unlikely they were headed directly at each other... & if Trump briefed (& paid attention, which is an impossibility) before speaking would know that wasn't the case "With a plane or helicopter the flight path can be adjusted" yep... & if there was some indication this helicopter was continually adjusting path to be 'straight at' the plane, that would suggest an attack... & if any hint of an attack, Trump would have all caps declared it the case... (& of course there is no indication that was occurring) why can't you people just admit the idiot says shit that he makes up... it's repeatedly proven...
kargen Member	Thu Jan 30 14:04:21 I was only commenting on your dumbass analogy. I've admitted Trump says dumb things often. Some of the executive orders he signed other people are all excited about are unconstitutional but that will be for another day. For today you made a dumbass analogy and I told you it was a dumbass analogy. On this topic Trump saying DEI had anything to do with the crash is asinine. Maybe later we find that to be the case but for now we don't know so why say it.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Jan 30 14:11:37 thanks for acknowledging his one dumb comment (though the analogy was fine... one would assume in a vehicle accident, one vehicle wasn't continually adjusting path to hit the other... & if there was indication of it, the conversation would change substantially... Trump -clearly- NOT informing the public well as always, as done w/ CA fires, hurricane response, etc... things that matter, not just stupid shit... thus totally fucking insane to accept it)
obaminated Member	Thu Jan 30 14:50:19 Tw thinks planes coming into a run way can easily and consistently change direction and altitude. What a fucking moron.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Jan 30 15:03:24 cultist: Trump in his infinite stupidity decided the helicopter must have been going 'straight at' the plane 'for an extended period of time'... has ANY official claimed this (even by now)? i'm sure not... so hey look, i'm already proven right is that likely to ever be claimed by anyone? NOPE (unless deliberate attack, which nobody, not even Trump suggesting, as said 'preventable') & it's pretty obvious why it was an idiotic presumption to make (but you're unwilling to notice)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Jan 30 15:18:20 Trump's narrative: helicopter flying right at the plane w/ blazing lights in clear skies, for an extended period of time, plus falsely suggesting controller fucked up by giving no instruction so let's see if his already proven false narrative turns out to be right... i'll guess no, see if you can figure out why... officials when informing the public should stick to the realm of facts... a weird concept, i know (...though w/ his deal w/ the devil, might turn out to be a trans helo pilot suiciding... though Trump still giving false info...)
Rugian Member	Thu Jan 30 15:20:12 CNN’s Bakari Sellers, left-leaning pundits spark outrage after seemingly blaming Trump for midair collision over DC ---- CNN commentator Bakari Sellers and two other prominent left-leaning commentators with significant followings on social media sparked outrage late on Wednesday when they appeared to pin the blame for the tragic midair collision between a passenger jet and a military helicopter on President Donald Trump. Sellers posted and then deleted a screenshot of a press release from last week in which a Democratic lawmaker, Rep. Rick Larsen (D-Wash.), criticizing Trump for what he called a “dangerous freeze of air traffic control hiring.” Larsen’s press release was a reference to one of Trump’s executive orders that he signed upon taking office last week. The executive order was intended to freeze hiring federal civilian employees as part of an effort to downsize the federal government and remove diversity, equity and inclusion (DEI) initiatives. Under the hiring freeze, any federal civilian position vacant as of noon on Jan. 20 would remain unfilled, and no new positions would be created unless mandated by law or directed by the president. However, Trump’s order excludes military personnel and roles associated with immigration enforcement, national security and public safety. http://nyp...amed-trump-for-dc-plane-crash/
Rugian Member	Thu Jan 30 15:23:23 Aaron Rupar (one of tw's favorite "sources") also implied that the Trump EO from a week ago (that didn't even apply to the ATC) somehow caused the crash. Seeing as we're criticizing people for bad takes, right?
kargen Member	Thu Jan 30 15:57:09 Pilot commentary on tower audio. http://youtu.be/hfgllf1L9_4
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Jan 30 16:05:43 "Seeing as we're criticizing people for bad takes, right?" one might hold a president to a higher standard (& never once have I cited Aaron Rupar for his opinion... 100% of the time it's a video clip... & never once has it been shown to be a deceptive edit)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Jan 30 16:12:48 ...also "Sellers posted and then deleted"... so he immediately withdrew it... not remotely comparable also these criticisms in your article: " “Even if the headline was accurate, using the death of 60+ innocent people to get a political dig in an hour after their death is as low as you can go,” Galluch wrote, adding: “Say less.” “They are fishing corpses out of the Potomac, families are praying their loved ones miraculously survived. And here you were being the ghoulish Partisan spouting the Narrative, just looking for a way to blame it on Trump. What a broken human being,” wrote another X user. " i wonder if they had the same outrage at dear leader... and article ends with "Supporters of Trump offered theories of their own about the crash, with one X user opining: “Were the air traffic controllers on duty some of Biden’s and Pete’s DEI hires? Did the Democrats’ Woke DEI play a part in the DC crash?”" but no criticism of that of course
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Jan 30 16:29:27 commentary from a blackhawk pilot: - helicopter supposed to be at 200 ft, instead at ~350 ft - had crew of only 3 when 4 safer - all the lights in area could've caused visibilty issues w/ the goggles on - the other jet was more likely in their line of sight (from her assessment) thus the mistaken identity possibility
obaminated Member	Thu Jan 30 20:42:25 So it was an tragic accident. Basically what trump said. The helicopter was in the path of the incoming plane and didn't realize they were in the path of a normal landing run.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Jan 30 21:29:57 yeah, if you ignore all the parts that were wrong, he was right... the plane was landing, it was clear skies, good job, little buddy prez
Paramount Member	Fri Jan 31 00:34:14 ” staffing at the air traffic control tower was “not normal,” according to a preliminary report from the Federal Aviation Administration.” Does this have anything to do with DOGE?
Paramount Member	Fri Jan 31 00:41:19 Or maybe because of DEI? The management found out that a in the air control tower had been hired because he had black skin. So they fired him. And so the control tower was short on personnel?
Paramount Member	Fri Jan 31 00:41:56 *that a man
Cherub Cow Member	Fri Jan 31 04:26:26 [tumblefaggot (fucking retard, liar, TDS Bot, likely pederast)]: "never once have I cited Aaron Rupar for his opinion... 100% of the time it's a video clip... & never once has it been shown to be a deceptive edit" This lie again. I've explained to tumblefaggot in the past how fucking stupid this kind of thinking is, but he's literally too low-IQ to understand how priming and comment cultivation work as deceptions. This fucking moron tumbletard also still thinks that Acyn is just posting harmless clips that tumblefaggot just happened to be looking up to post in his psychopathic thread series. He never wonders, "What are the odds that a retard-baiter would have exactly the retard-bait for which I'm looking?" This is a common problem with retarded leftists. They erroneously think they're "just" getting the raw information when they're getting a propaganda package designed for easy consumption by retards such as themselves. We see this in retarded responses such as "It's literally what happened" and "It's literally on video". Just remember earthfaggot's takes on the so-called "Nazi salute" by Musk; that's the retardation we're talking about. They whip themselves into a frenzy with the hot takes of a bunch of Redditors falsifying "reality" through "consensus" (i.e., delusional groupthink), then pretend that those were their own thoughts — thoughts that happen to be an exact duplicate of CNN's talking points! What are the odds?? Lol The metaphor I've used before is that leftists under this delusion are like Brad Pitt's character in "Burn After Reading" — convinced that they're seeing the "raw intelligence" when they can never see past their own crippling stupidity. http://youtu.be/7kMyom2sHyA?si=t2ODUsy48w3dN7t4
obaminated Member	Fri Jan 31 10:52:00 Omg it was dei. Holy shit. The co pilot was a tranny who didn't know what he/she was doing. God damn.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Jan 31 11:18:38 what's your solid source for that info? ========= apparently fuckhead has decided we now know all that needs to be known, no reason for investigators to look into it more: " The Blackhawk helicopter was flying too high, by a lot. It was far above the 200 foot limit. That’s not really too complicated to understand, is it??? " probably unhappy the news isn't just talking about him continuously again
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Jan 31 12:19:05 the piece of shit press sec #5 was asked to explain Trump's above post, her claiming he's merely stating that is one of the factors, with potentially others to be investigated so why the "???"... nobody is struggling to understand the altitude concept, so obviously he's saying done & done, but of course we always have to change his comments to something else as he's a fucking idiot
obaminated Member	Fri Jan 31 12:38:33 It was a dei tranny. I mean it's all over the news. Fucking hell Bidens legacy is so fucked.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Jan 31 13:02:58 what i see all over the news is: "Who is Jo Ellis? Trans Black Hawk Pilot Wrongly Named in DC Crash" "Trans Black Hawk pilot wrongly named in crash rumors wants people to stop sharing fake news" even your beloved DailyMail saying false
obaminated Member	Fri Jan 31 15:58:05 http://www...pter-pilot-latest-updates.html It's totally normal for the US military to not release names. Good job tw. It's a dei tranny and the biden military is not wanting to blame a moron. Like you are a moron and we all on this forum want to help you. But you, like this man, are a dei moron.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Jan 31 16:23:31 Obama admin kicked out 1000 white air traffic control trainees to increase the diversity ratio. "The lawsuit represents nearly 1,000 individuals who went to school to become air traffic controllers . They passed the normal test to obtain the position right before the Obama administration said the class was too white and threw out the tests with the applicants" DCA tower was seriously understaffed and did not catch the blackhawks error. Hmmmmmm
Sam Adams Member	Fri Jan 31 16:35:36 Seems like the senior pilot in the helo may have been a diversity hire too.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Jan 31 16:37:12 "It's totally normal for the US military to not release names" how often are they apparently responsible for the death of 64 Americans civilians? i can see reasons the family wouldn't want the name released beyond being transgender (somehow you can't) (also i can imagine even if the person is transgender that doesn't make that person automatically the one who made any/all of the mistakes)
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Jan 31 16:44:19 "Seems like the senior pilot in the helo may have been a diversity hire too" "Chief Warrant Officer 2 Andrew Loyd Eaves, served in the U.S. Navy from August 2007 to September 2017, then transitioned to a UH-60 pilot for the regular Army from September 2017 to present day" http://www...s_involved_in_helicopter_crash what unqualified diversity is he being accused of? although he did transition...
Sam Adams Member	Fri Jan 31 16:46:58 Female captain...
Sam Adams Member	Fri Jan 31 16:48:17 Could have been qualified, but the evidence clearly shows one was unqualified, probably both.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Jan 31 16:48:19 that's the same person obaminated has concluded is transgender
OsamaIsDaWorstPresid Member	Fri Jan 31 17:04:54 looks leik da pilot iz a negress
Dukhat Member	Fri Jan 31 19:52:45 Ill wait for some real sources instead of sam’s bullshit 4chan sources
Dukhat Member	Fri Jan 31 20:23:23 The FAA was completely leaderless because Elon Musk added Trump fire the guy that was in charge because he investigated and fined Elon’s company. That issue alone is way more important than all the shit people are talking about but instead you’re worrying about dumbass nonsense like DEI which is simply racist bullshit. Every person that’s not a white man doesn’t have to fucking prove themselves to you assholes.
obaminated Member	Fri Jan 31 22:06:03 Lol cuckhat is blaming elon musk for this. Brilliant idiocy.
obaminated Member	Fri Jan 31 22:25:02 ♤ cuckhat calls me a drunk. Based off that incoherent post ima conclude he projects a bit. I hate to break it to you cuckhat but white black brown or yellow, you need to prove your value. You don't get a job because you have mental issues regarding what gender you are. You don't get a job because your black mom had sex with a black man who never came home again. Merit matters.
Dukhat Member	Fri Jan 31 22:57:29 The FAA head was fired right away because Elon Musk had an axe to grind with him. He was otherwise qualified and even sucked up to Elon sometimes. Those are facts you stupid shit. Saying, “nuh uh” doesn’t change that you stupid fuck.
Dukhat Member	Fri Jan 31 22:58:03 So stupid bringing up DEI shit like a good little Trump lemming.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Jan 31 23:09:36 "Every person that’s not a white man doesn’t have to fucking prove themselves to you assholes" Every person that wants to fly a plane or be an atcer does in fact actually have to prove themselves you giant cocksmuggler. The entire point of dei is that non-white or asian males didnt have to meet the same standards. Hence why we are getting rid of it.
TheChildren Member	Sat Feb 01 01:49:29 cant u see da fires? - random roman civilisan ___________ wut fires, u weak cuck we will always be da greatest empire 2 rule we own everything - bagdad roman bob
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Feb 02 14:19:05 third crew member ID'd as Cpt. Rebecca Lobach no indication transgender can obaminated accept it...
obaminated Member	Sun Feb 02 16:20:05 http://www...lines-black-hawk-crash-2024784 I think initial reports of her being a tranny are wrong but it's weird that her family aren't denying it. That said, she was basically a show pony with zero experience in anything. Sad but true.
Dukhat Member	Mon Feb 03 01:15:04 Because people have to deny bullshit accusations from online trolls? Your mind is mush.
obaminated Member	Mon Feb 03 07:33:27 No cuckhat. If the media accused me of being of a tranny my family would defend me. I guess your family wouldn't? Cuckhat you are embarrassing
Paramount Member	Mon Feb 03 07:37:04 ” third crew member ID'd as Cpt. Rebecca Lobach no indication transgender” I don’t think it says ”transgender” on the ID’s. It probably says either ”male” or ”female”.
Sam Adams Member	Mon Feb 03 09:36:14 Seems like she was a biden friend and political appointee.
Forwyn Member	Mon Feb 03 13:42:59 Career Democrat nipped in the bud
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