Utopia Talk / Politics / Trump to shut down the Dept of Education

murder Member	Thu Mar 06 09:31:52 Because of course. ------------------------ Trump preparing to sign order to dismantle Education Department President Donald Trump could decide this week to take the first steps to eliminate the Department of Education, people familiar with the matter said, as he looks to dramatically shrink the size of the federal government. White House officials have prepared an executive order directing Education Secretary Linda McMahon to begin the process of dismantling the department, the sources said. Trump could sign the document as early as Thursday, but plans had not yet been finalized. Trump has long signaled his intention to close the department, but fully eliminating it will require Congress to act, McMahon said during confirmation hearings earlier this year. She was confirmed Monday. CNN previously reported the administration was drafting an order to launch the process of closing the Department of Education. Trump also plans to push for Congress to pass legislation to end the department. The draft order directs McMahon to “take all necessary steps to facilitate the closure of the Education Department” while operating to the “the maximum extent appropriate and permitted by law.” “The experiment of controlling American education through Federal programs and dollars—and the unaccountable bureaucrats those programs and dollars support—has failed our children, our teachers, and our families,” the draft order reads. While calls to abolish the Education Department or merge it with another federal agency are not new, the move has historically failed to get support from Congress. Rep. Madeleine Dean, a Philadelphia-area Democrat, criticized the Trump administration in harsh terms Thursday for the moves to dismantle the Education Department, but said the news was “no surprise.” “What you do want is an educated electorate,” Dean told CNN. “Not if you’re Donald Trump and his cult-like members. They want citizens who are not educated.” Dean cited the chapter on education in Project 2025 — the far-right blueprint for Trump’s second term. “This is what the first sentence says. Shut it down. Eliminate the Department of Education.” On the campaign trail, Trump repeatedly pointed to the department as a sign of federal overreach and tied it to culture war issues. “We will drain the government education swamp and stop the abuse of your taxpayer dollars to indoctrinate America’s youth with all sorts of things that you don’t want to have our youth hearing,” he said. “I told Linda (McMahon), ‘Linda, I hope you do a great job in putting yourself out of a job.’ I want her to put herself out of a job – Education Department,” Trump said last month. Even if Trump succeeded in ending the department, it’s possible some programs and funding could be retained and shifted to other agencies, which is where they were housed before the department was created in 1979. Federal funding programs for K-12 schools that help support the education of students from low-income families and children with disabilities, for example, predated the creation of the Department of Education. ‘Final mission’ Hours after being confirmed, McMahon sent a message to her staff titled “Our Department’s Final Mission,” in which she invited employees to “join us in this historic final mission on behalf of all students.” “This is our opportunity to perform one final, unforgettable public service to future generations of students,” she said. “I hope you will join me in ensuring that when our final mission is complete, we will all be able to say that we left American education freer, stronger, and with more hope for the future.” In coming months, the agency will work with Congress and other federal departments on next steps, she said. A review of the department’s programs “long overdue,” McMahon told staff, noting the agency has received $1 trillion in federal funding since its establishment but that student outcomes have “languished.” But she warned that these actions will “profoundly impact staff, budgets, and agency operations here at the Department.” The task is “the elimination of bureaucratic bloat” at the agency, she said. “Millions of young Americans are trapped in failing schools, subjected to radical anti-American ideology, or saddled with college debt for a degree that has not provided a meaningful return on their investment,” she said. “Teachers are leaving the profession in droves after just a few years—and citing red tape as one of their primary reasons.” Under her leadership, the agency’s three principles will be: Parents are the primary decision makers; education should concentrate on math, reading, science and history, and postsecondary education should prepare students for well-paying careers. http://www...ent-shut-down-order/index.html
Sam Adams Member	Thu Mar 06 10:03:14 What does the federal dept of education do that is actually useful?
murder Member	Thu Mar 06 10:16:07 I wouldn't worry about it. In other news, MAGApublicans want Americans to have more kids.
patom Member	Thu Mar 06 16:25:03 That would be Speaker Johnsons pet project. Probably wants to set up fertility check stations to insure that women who are still ovulating aren't trying to skip out on their breeding duties. Look upon your daughters sisters and possibly mothers if they are pre menopausal as breeding stock.
Rugian Member	Thu Mar 06 16:28:42 I love how Democrats think that abolishing the Department of Education means the same thing as abolishing education. Shows what dumb fucks they are.
murder Member	Thu Mar 06 17:49:27 That's exactly what it means for some people. But you don't care about those people.
obaminated Member	Thu Mar 06 18:45:59 States and cities should be responsible for education, not the federal government.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Mar 11 14:31:38 all Dept of Education offices are closing for "security reasons"... everyone ordered to vacate for two days... but not til after 6pm (so obviously not security reasons)... time to change the locks / bar entrances, i'll guess?
Dukhat Member	Tue Mar 11 17:48:47 Obaminated once again not even bothering to educate himself before speaking as if he actually knows what the fuck he's talking about.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Mar 11 23:25:40 Lol duckhat it is very clear than education in the US is funded and managed at the local level, often town or county, sometimes state. A federal department of education is almost entirely redundant waste.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Mar 12 12:00:35 Trump is describing how w/o the Dept, some states will do very well & some states will do bad but 'we'll work with them to fix it' hmm... the federal gov't helping states w/ improving education... maybe call it the Dept of Education...
obaminated Member	Wed Mar 12 14:04:29 We can spend federal funds to states that need it, other states don't need. What no state needs is the federal government mandating what is taught, how it is taught etc.
jergul large member	Wed Mar 12 14:28:00 Obam Well, that is one way to make more room for creationism and the use of feet, farenheit and pounds in STEM subjects.
obaminated Member	Wed Mar 12 14:31:13 Jergul, and that's one way to argue against something based off of assumptions and hypotheticals.
murder Member	Wed Mar 12 14:45:30 "We can spend federal funds to states that need it, other states don't need." No, they can fuck off.
jergul large member	Wed Mar 12 14:45:35 Obam You will get divergence without Federal standarization. We both know that Imperial measurements and creationism will definitely be on some state agenda. Though, yes. You most definitely are arguing based off of assumptions and hypotheticals. For some states do indeed need to be told what to teach and how to teach it. Though you could argue the Feds lack the forsight. As defunding Hopkins University strongly suggests.
williamthebastard Member	Wed Mar 12 14:48:38 Its funny that the imperial measurements idjits based their entire dollar currency system on the metric system
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Mar 12 16:26:47 "What no state needs is the federal government mandating what is taught, how it is taught" that wasn't happening i can see how Trump is always winning when you have nothing but wrong info
Rugian Member	Wed Mar 12 16:33:21 Jergul You think the Department of Education is what got creationism out of schools?
kargen Member	Wed Mar 12 18:37:21 that was absolutely happening tumbleweed. The Department of Education sets a criteria and schools are tested on that criteria. The school can teach whatever it wants but if they don't do well on the suggested criteria they lose a good chunk of their federal funding. jergul the Supreme Court in a ruling created a Lemon Test (named after one of the plaintiffs) that had to be applied to see if subjects being taught were to be allowed or not. The Department of Education had nothing to do with that ruling and if it were to go away would not change that ruling in any way.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Mar 12 18:56:10 that's not mandating what is taught in what way is not having the Dept of Education vs having it affect what curriculum is taught in any way?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Mar 12 23:34:21 also if wanting to get rid of the basic reading/math standardized tests (that you're misrepresenting as setting curriculum) you have to change the law not just crush the Dept... plus without any standardized tests how exactly is fuckhead going to determine which states are performing poorly (beyond obviously southern red states) to then provide assistance to? fuckhead's explanation on closing: " During a recent interview with Time magazine, Mr. Trump shed new light on his campaign promise. “We want to move the schools back to the states,” he said. Pressed on what he meant, he explained it would be “a virtual closure” of the department. “You’re going to need some people just to make sure they’re teaching English in the schools,” Mr. Trump said. “English and mathematics, let’s say.” " oh, english & math... the only things they already federally test on... States already have control it's so great when a total fucking idiot on every subject is making the decisions maybe there are reasons to trim it, but you won't ever hear them from the crazily chosen 'leader' (& true on any topic)... fuckhead never has any understanding of ANYTHING
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