Utopia Talk / Politics / European "democracy" in action

Rugian Member	Tue Mar 11 13:37:06 Romania’s central election authority has banned far-right pro-Russian candidate Calin Georgescu from running in the country’s May presidential election re-run, triggering protests from Georgescu’s supporters. The far-right candidate unexpectedly won the first round of the country’s presidential election on November 24. Shortly before the run-off, the Constitutional Court cancelled the first round due to irregularities in campaign financing pinned on Russian meddling, with the election rescheduled for May 4. Georgescu denounced the election authority’s move on X as “a direct blow to the heart of democracy worldwide”. He is currently leading opinion polls with about 40 percent of the vote. http://www...red-from-may-presidential-vote
Rugian Member	Tue Mar 11 13:43:23 JD Vance was 100% correct to call this shit out at Munich. European countries have come to reject Western values. A country whose courts ban political candidates for the "crime" of being anti-establishment (which, let's face it, is the true reason theyre going after Georgescu) cannot credibly be called a Western representative democracy. We need allies that uphold our civilizational values. Europe has fallen into authoritarianism and adopts principles that are diametrically opposed to liberty and freedom. Fuck them.
murder Member	Tue Mar 11 14:30:03 All right wingers should be dragged out to a field and put down.
Rugian Member	Tue Mar 11 14:34:46 You need to go on a free helicopter ride you commie fuck.
Seb Member	Tue Mar 11 14:49:56 Rugian: Yeah, it's pretty amazing isn't it: people who engage in electoral fraud get banned from participating. I know this is a totally crazy idea in the US but it is called "the rule of law".
Seb Member	Tue Mar 11 14:53:45 It is a strange world where on over hand it is fine to exclude thousands of voters from voting to address a miniscule risk of in person voter fraud, but on the other hand to allow candidates *orchestrating* voter fraud with illegal campaign finance from a hostile power to participate in elections. This is kinda nonsense is why nobody takes the US seriously right now.
Forwyn Member	Tue Mar 11 14:55:09 "electoral fraud" Lol retard
Rugian Member	Tue Mar 11 15:07:54 Seb Do you realize how utterly insane you sound? "Oh no, Russia is boosting one of the candidates on TikTok, which means the only way to preserve our democracy is too...nullify the election results and bar the front runner from the next election." The Russian disinformation claims were clearly just the pretext. The pro-EU establishment was surprised and upset to have lost the election...so they cancelled it and rigged the process to make sure they wouldn't lose it the next time. This is fucking ridiculous. You can't seriously argue that this is what a functioning democracy looks like.
Paramount Member	Tue Mar 11 15:26:35 He is critical of EU’s support for the war in Ukraine. When it looked like his party was going to win the election, Brussels and NATO could not accept that. Romania is an important hub for NATO. So they banned him from participating in the ”democratic” election.
Paramount Member	Tue Mar 11 15:30:50 USA should invade Europe and liberate us from the totalitarian liberals in Brussels.
Seb Member	Tue Mar 11 16:38:35 Rugian: No, you sound insane. The guy is literally up to his eyeballs in Russian cash and you are so brain dead you are "oh it's the internet, it's not real".
murder Member	Tue Mar 11 17:07:51 "No, you sound insane. The guy is literally up to his eyeballs in Russian cash and you are so brain dead you are "oh it's the internet, it's not real"." So is the Republican Party. Americans right-wingers are all for Russian interference.
Dukhat Member	Tue Mar 11 17:48:14 I don't give a shit about Romania. It's amazing all the cuckservatives are busy obsessing over protecting the far right in other countries. Terminally online morons who have no sense of priorities.
murder Member	Wed Mar 12 07:09:59 They do have priorities. To them this is a global war.
Rugian Member	Wed Mar 12 07:15:04 Murder and Dukhat: Stupid conservatives, obsessing over democratic backsliding in the EU, one of the most powerful blocs on the planet and among our country's largest trading partner. Fucking amazing.
murder Member	Wed Mar 12 07:24:43 Spare me the "democratic backsliding" bullshit. Republicans spend all their time disenfranchising people.
Rugian Member	Wed Mar 12 07:28:33 Shut the fuck up with that bullshit. If you can't be bothered shell out $25 for a state ID, I couldn't give less of a fuck if you're unable to vote.
Rugian Member	Wed Mar 12 07:30:00 Seb "The guy is literally up to his eyeballs in Russian cash" Not at all substantiated, but thanks for playing. The EU and individual EU member states openly supported this guy's disqualification. Can we consider that to be foreign interference?
Rugian Member	Wed Mar 12 07:54:52 "Evil Republicans are trying to take away our right to vote!!!!" "Yeah how is that exactly?" "They're reversing Covid-era voting rules that were specifically meant to be temporary in nature, that allows my son to mail the votes of me and 20 of my neighbors on our behalf in an unpostmarked envelope three months ahead of the election, with no requirements to show any sort of ID and zero methods of verifiabiliy, and permits those votes to be counted even if they somehow don't show up until a week after election day!" "...you know those are not considered acceptable voting procedures in any other part of the planet, right?" "Racist! You don't want black people to vote! This is Jim Crow on steroids! Jim Eagle! Cancel the MLB All Star game! Reeeeeeeeeeee" ---- This is literally how dumb the conversation on voter "suppression" has become in this country.
murder Member	Wed Mar 12 08:44:51 "Shut the fuck up with that bullshit. If you can't be bothered shell out $25 for a state ID, I couldn't give less of a fuck if you're unable to vote." Yeah, we already covered the fact that you don't care if people are unable to vote. In fact you prefer it.
Paramount Member	Wed Mar 12 09:57:39 The Duran on the Romanian election http://youtu.be/kZwjX-5qxak
Paramount Member	Wed Mar 12 09:58:01 ” The EU and individual EU member states openly supported this guy's disqualification. Can we consider that to be foreign interference?” Yes.
Forwyn Member	Wed Mar 12 10:31:24 I've been over this with murder before. Here, again, are the evil states that require photo ID. State Status Details Alabama Free A voter can obtain a free photo ID from the Alabama Secretary of State, a county registrar's office, or a mobile location, which changes daily.  Arkansas $5 Free Voter verification card Florida Free Georgia Free Voters can obtain a free voter ID card from any county registrar's office or DDS office. Idaho Free Indiana Free If a voter does not have an accepted form of ID, he or she can obtain a free Indiana ID card from the Indiana Bureau of Motor Vehicles Kansas Free Voters who do not have a photo ID can obtain one for free through the Division of Vehicles, Kansas Department of Revenue. Kentucky Free Louisiana $27 You can vote without an ID if you sign a form confirming your identity (called a Voter Identification Affidavit). Accepted Photo IDs, You can show (OK if expired): Driver's License, State ID, Digital License via LA Wallet, Military ID, Other generally recognized photo ID w/ signature Michigan Free for: Over 65, Veterans, Blind, Homeless, Receiving State or Federal assistance, surrender/revoked/suspended license; can sign person ID affidavit if no photo ID owned Mississippi Free Missouri Free Montana $17 Voter registration, utility bill, bank statement, paycheck, gov check/doc Nebraska Free New Hampshire Free North Carolina Free Ohio Free Oklahoma $25 Free Voter ID Card Rhode Island $27.50 Free Voter ID Card South Carolina Free South Dakota Free for: Homeless, students; can sign personal ID affidavit if no photo ID owned Tennessee Free Texas Free Wisconsin Free Wyoming Free Voters can obtain a free Wisconsin State ID Card at a Wisconsin Division of Motor Vehicles office.
Forwyn Member	Wed Mar 12 10:32:49 Since formatting is ass, a tldr is that EVERY SINGLE STATE with required ID has FREE options to vote. EVERY SINGLE ONE. Fuck off retard
murder Member	Wed Mar 12 14:25:29 "Florida Free" This is false.
Seb Member	Wed Mar 12 14:38:16 The US is democratic backsliding. This idea that candidates and officials are above the law, and that foreign interference and funding is ok because it would mean holding candidates to account is profoundly undemocratic.
Seb Member	Wed Mar 12 14:40:57 "The EU and individual EU member states openly supported this guy's disqualification. Can we consider that to be foreign interference?" No, because Romania has obligations in the treaty and the EU and MS have interests and that's all spelled out in the treaties. If Romania wants to leave, it can do so. But until then rule of law provisions apply.
Sam Adams Member	Wed Mar 12 14:42:58 "The US is democratic backsliding." http://x.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1899896888393867685 Lol says the guy helping the islamic conquest of the UK.
Forwyn Member	Wed Mar 12 16:37:19 "This is false." Oh yeah, forgot the clause that it's free for the homeless. If you're not homeless, you may have to pay up to 25 bucks to get one of these: You can show one of these photo IDs: Must be unexpired Florida driver’s license Florida state ID card US passport or passport card Military identification Student ID Public assistance ID Veterans Health ID card issued by US Department of Veterans Affairs Retirement center ID Neighborhood association ID Debit or credit card Florida concealed weapon license Employee ID issued by US, Florida, or local government http://www.voteriders.org/states/florida/ I know, terrible
Sam Adams Member	Wed Mar 12 17:22:27 The government can tax us 20k a year to live in our house but a 25 dollar fee for a licese to vote is excessive? Fuck off commies.
Seb Member	Wed Mar 12 17:42:55 Sure Sam. The Islamists have conquered Britain. Now let's go have your nap time old chap. It's nearly time to take your pills.
Sam Adams Member	Wed Mar 12 22:31:38 Such originality and cleverness seb. So profound. Much smarts. "The Islamists have conquered Britain." Not yet but they will, with the way you behave.
Seb Member	Thu Mar 13 02:12:56 http://bsk...bsky.social/post/3lk7cutncyc2k Sam, this is a good explainer of what's happened to you and your country more widely. "The Islamists" have not and are not going to capture the country. But yours on the other hand, looks thoroughly captured by an oligarchy.
Sam Adams Member	Thu Mar 13 07:19:37 Better to be a oligarchy than a muslim shithole. And lol of course seb is on bluesky.
murder Member	Thu Mar 13 08:11:49 Apparently billionaire cock tastes better.
Seb Member	Thu Mar 13 11:01:31 Sam: We've got an established fucking church and Christian Bishops get a seat in the goddamned legislature. What are you smoking?
Sam Adams Member	Thu Mar 13 14:51:12 Yet another case where seb confuses number with rate of change of said number.
Seb Member	Thu Mar 13 17:09:56 Ah the slippery slope fallacy. The UK isn't going to become Islamist any more than the US is going to become Mexican.
Sam Adams Member	Thu Mar 13 18:34:17 With you in charge... driving out skilled whites and replacing them with high crime imports, we all have faith that you can pull it off.
Seb Member	Fri Mar 14 06:21:03 Sam: Only of course that's not what's happening. You are basically indistinguishable from an LLM trained on fox news talking points.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Mar 14 08:41:23 Lol thats exactly whats happening. You have been shown the evidence. But you have a bad tendency to ignore evidence you dont like. "Trends are just slippery slope arguments" amazing.
williamthebastard Member	Fri Mar 14 08:53:05 Big fat "unfit for service" stamp in real life, tougher than Rambo when he's anonymous on the internet lol
Seb Member	Fri Mar 14 09:21:27 Sam: Your evidence is a series of posts from a Twitter account run from UAE by some Turks that uses AI content designed to engage folks like you to monetise their clicks.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Mar 14 09:41:15 Yes seb, thats the only evidence of imports of high crime migrants across all of europe. All those stabbed and raped euros are all fake. The willfull ignorance that comes out of you is amazing.
Seb Member	Fri Mar 14 09:45:59 The plural of anecdote isn't evidence. All those stabbings are still vastly less than the number of domestic stabbings from 30 years ago. Trying to pretend this is harbinger of societal collapse as you do often do is really rather silly. It's a fundamental failure to understand scale.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Mar 14 11:22:45 "The plural of anecdote isn't evidence. " Of course it is. Basic stats. "Trying to pretend this is harbinger of societal collapse" You are yet again bad at english comprehension. I am not saying you will collapse. I'm saying you are declining, or perhaps falling behind is the best way to define it. Decline is not collapse. You have a future, just a lame one.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Mar 14 11:23:45 To be fair the US may also decline, as more people act like you or trump. But our decline is not as obvious as yours.
Forwyn Member	Fri Mar 14 11:25:47 "Since white people are stabbing less, we should import third-worlders to bring those numbers back up"
Seb Member	Fri Mar 14 14:17:43 Sam once again forgets the denominator of a fraction exists.
Seb Member	Fri Mar 14 14:19:37 Sam: You specifically cited this as evidence the UK would become Islamic. Forwyn: Learn to read.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Mar 14 17:13:10 Ah... so you view becoming islamic as collapse seb? Lol. You fucking racist!
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