Utopia Talk / Politics / Trump is totes a putin puppet

obaminated Member	Wed Mar 12 14:58:50 http://www...ceasefire-ukraine-ireland.html Tldr - trump is forcing a 30 day ceasefire. Ukraine has agreed to it. Trump is threatening financial action if lutin doesn't agree. So yeah, this blows up the narrative that Trump is a Russian asset, doesn't it?
Sam Adams Member	Wed Mar 12 15:18:33 Not really, no. Trump is making it look like he is a russian asset.
Seb Member	Wed Mar 12 17:48:03 What threat exactly? Biden's already pushed all the sanctions levers. Putin will string things out, maybe agree a ceasefire, regroup and attack again when it suits.
murder Member	Wed Mar 12 18:18:15 If Russia does not accept victory, we will devastate them with sanctions. So why doesn't he force Russia to leave Ukraine under the threat of devastating sanctions?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Mar 12 18:18:23 wow... Trump made one empty claim he'd put sanctions on Russia if they don't cooperate omg, he's so hard on Russia!!! he -actually- put pressure on Ukraine (& extorted them for minerals) & they can't end it... while Russia alone can end it & he's done nothing to push them (& there's no meaningful sanctions to put on anyway) but you gullible cultists lap it up...
murder Member	Wed Mar 12 18:34:03 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z77JFw2D6f8
tumbleweed the wanderer	Wed Mar 12 21:46:02 fuckhead: "Ukraine wants to make a deal because I don't think they have a choice. I also think that Russia wants to make a deal because in a certain different way, a different way that only I know --only I know-- they have no choice either" http://x.com/cspan/status/1897758207126167647 why does only he know... & what is it... (if not his completely standard behavior of just making shit up) maybe Putin is desperate & needs Trump to secure the win fast
Paramount Member	Thu Mar 13 02:19:32 ” he's done nothing to push them (& there's no meaningful sanctions to put on anyway)” The USA has already done everything they can to push Russia, besides declaring WW3 and putting boots on the ground. USA has no good cards left. Neither US or Britain wants to sacrifice themselves for Ukraine. Maybe the Brits are ready to destroy themselves but only if the the rest of Europe and USA also do it. In a way, the Brits are like communists: everyone should suffer.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Mar 13 11:14:07 i'm saying _Trump's_ done nothing (only helped them)... & he just put a completely empty threat up to pretend he's not incredibly clearly entirely on one side (& obaminated bought it) (the side he's always been on on every issue: he defended Russia on shooting down a passenger plane, on assassinating foes, he was the top defender claiming they did no election interference, etc)
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Thu Mar 13 13:34:35 Putin has rejected the offer. Let the loose the hounds of war.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Mar 13 15:35:06 my prediction: 'well, Putin does have a point...' ~ Trump Trump will go meet his hero directly & will be extremely easily convinced of all of Putin's wishes
obaminated Member	Thu Mar 13 17:15:13 And when trump condemns putin Tw will say "Trump wants ww3!"
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Mar 13 17:25:28 Trump wouldn't even condemn Putin for assassinating his political foes... he won't condemn Putin ever
TheChildren Member	Fri Mar 14 09:35:30 u hold no cards though... russia is winnin hard on da battlefield. it is clear that past 3 years r propafunda ppls r in shock about it. cant grasp it, dunt undastand how and why russia gets soo much say. well, thats usually coz victor decides history... u either agreee with there terms or they force it down ur throat right now, many folks r still in denial about it, so they thinkin more sanctions more assets gonna change da way... in reality its gonna go da way just like da next wunderweapon jdam, shadow storms, hikittymarses f16s i lost track...it aint gonna do a damn thing like literally u spend a few billion and 1 year trainin these peoples and da moment they r ready 2 be send 2 da field, half of them pack there shit and r mysteriously gone... i mean if da troops r trainin and then packin there shit and r gone...that shuld tell u all u need 2 know. they know betta than propafunda media
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Mar 14 11:17:37 ooh, the condemnation... " We had very good and productive discussions with President Vladimir Putin of Russia yesterday, and there is a very good chance that this horrible, bloody war can finally come to an end — BUT, AT THIS VERY MOMENT, THOUSANDS OF UKRAINIAN TROOPS ARE COMPLETELY SURROUNDED BY THE RUSSIAN MILITARY, AND IN A VERY BAD AND VULNERABLE POSITION. I have strongly requested to President Putin that their lives be spared. This would be a horrible massacre, one not seen since World War II. God bless them all!!! " + every time he mentions the war he makes it sound like Russia massively winning... whose side is that helping?
Forwyn Member	Fri Mar 14 11:23:10 They have bisected Ukrainian lines and encircled multiple positions. Yes, they are in a positive position, and yes, this puts them in a rational place to be wary of a ceasefire that would allow encircled Ukrainians to walk off and regroup in safety.
Paramount Member	Fri Mar 14 12:01:56 ” I have strongly requested to President Putin that their lives be spared. This would be a horrible massacre, one not seen since World War II. God bless them all!!!” They are soldiers. They signed up for this. If they don’t surrender they will be killed. If Trump is so worried about human lives and massacres, why don’t he put sanctions on Israel and kill Netanyahu for massacring hundreds of thousands of civilians in Palestine, including tens of thousands of children and women?
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