Utopia Talk / Politics / Forwyn bullshit about UK immigration

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Fri Jun 05 12:31:31 Forwyn: "They get to live in community housing" Incorrect, you are not able to get community housing as an immigrant. You have "no recourse to public funds" which includes housing benefit. This is the the govt is having to rent hotels to put them in. " while they have ten kids who will vote" Again, not correct. Just racist paranoia e.g. "they breed like cockroaches!!!!". Firstly, a point often ignored but which I explicitly raised: most immigrants return home at some point. Secondly you aren't automatically eligible for citizenship if you are born in the UK unless one of your parents is British. Which is another issue with many of your simplistic readings of stats. Because you've adopted NAZI/Confederate blood law like concept, you see many of the kids of white British people as being fundamentally foreign. In your mind "native" is a status that can only be lost, and "immigrant" is a permanent stain that can only spread. This is the essential problem here: you resent it but you literally have a racist NAZI concept implicitly lurking at the centre of your world view. The logical extension is white people should be forbidden from falling in love and marrying a foreigner, and if they do, their partner and child and their children and their children's children must all be second class citizens. Yes, I have one child, but even though she looks white, in your world she isn't because my wife is Latina. In your world, it's an affront that she should be allowed to vote, that she should be afforded citizenship. In your world, she's a pollutant, degrading the white native gene pool. "Right...except they did the same thing to Henry" They did not, they did the opposite. They thought he was intoxicated, they put him in recovery which is what medically you should do. They did not attempt to asphyxiate him into submission. "Only...after they called him a liar, and ignored his pleas, and he stopped breathing." As the judge pointed out: 1. He presented with no obvious serious wounds, just the cut on his face (non life threatening) and intoxicated as he had been reported to 999. 2. Perpetrators lie to the police all the time. Of course they thought he was likely lying to avoid being cuffed and, potentially, attack or try to escape. This is why police routinely cuff people before body searches. You have no issues with this practice when used in stop-and-search. 3. When he they put him on his side and his condition rapidly deteriorated, they immediately started CPR. The simple matter is the police did little wrong, and what little wrong they did had nothing to do with race. You never asked me how you would respond to the following scenario: Police are called to the scene by a white family who report their son being attacked by a drunk, violent black man. Upon arriving the black man claims, slurring, that he's been stabbed. The police immediately turn around, arrest the white kid with a black eye, caution him, and begin investigating him for this claimed stabbing. You would lose your mind. You would say it was clear evidence of that police favouring an obviously self motivated claim from a black person to avoid being seen as racist, and two tier policing on an innocent white kid. Yet that's exactly what you are criticise the police here for. "we have both his fucking blood levels and the pills found." It's not in doubt he'd taken drugs, but the whole "gent panic" "crack panic" is not a real thing. It exists only in police reports to justify much heavier handed treatment of minorities on arrest. There's no actual difference in physiological response to drugs when high to substantiate it. There's medical papers on it. He was panicked when the police tried to bundle him into the car. He was worried they'd do racist violence to him. He was right to be worried . A racist police officer killed him, not as a legitimate act of policing: enough to get the officer convicted of murder in a country that gives broad immunity to disproportionate police violence. He is not in prison for a mistake. He is in prison for a gratuitous crime.

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