Utopia Talk / Politics / Palestinian Action Ruling

Seb rank	Mon Jun 15 13:47:34 Seems very sensible to me. We can't really allow a group like that to operate freely; though I think the automatic criminalisation I support isn't really suitable. Though of course I'm sure the free speech defenders on this board will agree with that. A lot of very silly people with criminal convictions because they equated supporting this one, violent, group with supporting Palestine and opposing genocide.
jergul rank	Mon Jun 15 15:07:48 Literally a guilt by association ruling. It opens the door wide for infiltration and false flag agitation as only a minor number of transgressions will result in a mass ban of an otherwise effective grass-roots organization. Tell me with a straight face that Mossad would never contiplate infiltration and agitation.
Seb rank	Mon Jun 15 15:17:33 No it doesn't. Most of the key considerations in supporting the proscription relate to establishing the nature of the group: 1. The contents of the underground manual and it's emphasis on covert violent action 2. The violent, and escalating violence and extent of PAs actions and the evidence the govt had through police operations of their plans 3. The refusal to disavow or renounce those actions. The level of infiltration required to meet these threshold amounts to operational control of the group. A genuine protest group with an infiltrated agent provocateur can avoid all three of these tests being met by simply kicking out the provocateur and disavowing the action, and removing the materials the provocateur is publishing on their website. I'm far more worried about Russian influence operations to drive protest groups towards sabotage operations, or facilitating groups like PA to mobilise in the first place. Something we already know they are successful at doing is getting western citizens to undertake sabotage operations under false pretences or money. The idea that Mossad is going to shut down every protest group with agent provocateurs is quite fanciful.
jergul rank	Mon Jun 15 15:39:04 Or, if we wanted to avoid the argument ad ludicrum fallacy, is the idea fanciful that Mossad might infiltrate some anti-genocide organizations now that the payoff is so clear? The big problem is conflating anti-zionism with anti-semitism incidentally. Driving anti-genocide organizations underground is definitely fueling that issue. And yes. Guilt by association. Support of a predominantly peaceful anti-genocide organization in any way is now a crime in the UK. The UK doing its best to prove CCs global conspiracy correct. GG. And by the way. Why worry about Russian infiltration when you are emulating Russia's managed democracy concept so well by yourself?
jergul rank	Mon Jun 15 15:40:05 See the Febuary high court ruling for details on my argument.
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