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habebe
Member Sun Sep 07 21:18:17
Has anyone watched this show? OMFG I'd pay good money for someone to come on the show and when she interupts them (trust me it will happen) to just back hand her and say "shut the fvk up"

She's been on this Kasey anthony (sp) child abduction story for like 2 months damn near

She contiously misrepresents evidence

For example, she claims they have found "DNA evidence of the childs decomposition" when the dna evidence was hair in the car, and as far as the experts have said they can not be sure what state (alive or dead) the dna evidence is

Then the "trace amounts of chloroform" bit, an expert pointed out that Ethanol and bleach if near each other will make Chloroform (especially trace amounts, he didn't mention ethanol could be replaced with acetone...) then she has some rant about how someone could get ethanol in their car trunk, really? is she that stupid? ethanol is ALCOHOL, it's also in every single gas pump (or damn near) in the US (a bad idea though)

It was further mentioned that this is new evidence, and it was found AFTER the FBI had done dna tests, well it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that chlorofom is ROUTINLEY used in all sorts of laboratories, it's an excellent solvent as well as being used extensivley in DNA LABS!

She also continously called it "Extremley dangerous" and "Lethal", well, in trace amounts it's not lethal, in fact in moderate doses it's not lethal, it CAN be lethal, but so can asprin

I really hope that kid is found alive and well if only to piss that cvnt off

masterp
Member Sun Sep 07 21:20:04
I'd like to take my shotgun to Nancy Grace's face

habebe
Member Sun Sep 07 21:29:35
Everything on that show also seems to be a "Bombshell" or "extreme" almost to the point it's funny, but I just can't seem to smile with her face on scrfeen and her mouth a flappin

This rant has helped me, but I really am curious if anyone could enjoy her, I doubt she's ever been laid..maybe thats her problem...best to follow masterp's idea

Hot Rod
Moderator Sun Sep 07 21:31:21

Try listening to Greta on FOX, I think you will notice the difference.

mexicantornado
Member Sun Sep 07 21:34:01
All media outlets have declared the woman guilty of murder. Infact they declared her guilty about 2 or 3 days into this story.

habebe
Member Sun Sep 07 21:35:26
Vansustren?

My parents were watching it to see if any new news was found on the case, but they couldn't stand her for more than a few minutes either

It was sort of comical though how she used the term "ethanol" like it was a chemists jargon or something mysterious chemical

habebe
Member Sun Sep 07 21:39:46
Chloroform btw, is very easily made at home by mixing bleach and acetone (better than alcohol) and then preserving it from turning into mustard gas by adding a small amount of ether (if memory serves .75% will do, a little more won't really hurt)

She made it seem like even researching chlorofom was "criminal", well I have, I've even got a paper on how to make your own asprin with salic acid...why? both are esily made with everyday chemicals (cheap) and I like twittering around with chemistry is that a crime?

Eikeys Ghost
Sports Mod Sun Sep 07 21:48:03
nancy grace is the biggest waste of airtime on tv.

I've not been able to flip through the channels and watch 3 mins of a show and yell out loud, 'SHUT THE FUCK UP!' - the topic is mostly irrelevent, she is always wrong.

river of blood
Member Sun Sep 07 21:50:31
She bugs me too sometimes but I've got some problems with your take on this case:

1) "it's also in every single gas pump"

So she was pumping gas into her trunk? I don't understand what you are suggesting here. How did the ethonal/alcohol and bleach get together in the trunk?

2) "Then the "trace amounts of chloroform" bit"

The reports I saw said that the trunk air was "SATURATED" with chloroform, not that there were just trace amounts.

3) "It was further mentioned that this is new evidence, and it was found AFTER the FBI had done dna tests, well it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that chlorofom is ROUTINLEY used in all sorts of laboratories, it's an excellent solvent as well as being used extensivley in DNA LABS!"

The DNA labs don't know that they use chloroform? Why wouldn't they report the possibility of the chloroform being the result of lab contamination? That doesn't make much sense.

4) Why was Casey Anthony conducting searches for chloroform on her computer?

5) They DID conclude that there a decomposing human body in the the trunk. Whose body would you suggest this was if it wasn't Kalee's?

6) You might be the only person left on the planet that thinks Kalee is alive after all of the evidence that has come forth so far and Casey's totally bizarre behavior and chronic lying. I don't think even her grandparents believe that.

master P
Member Sun Sep 07 21:55:49
"Why was Casey Anthony conducting searches for chloroform on her computer? "

RoB, I would think that you of all people would find this irrelivant.

"The DNA labs don't know that they use chloroform? Why wouldn't they report the possibility of the chloroform being the result of lab contamination? That doesn't make much sense. "

I think he is arguing that the only person who thinks this is evidence is Nancy Grace

river of blood
Member Sun Sep 07 22:10:34
"She made it seem like even researching chlorofom was "criminal""

Obviously not criminal but when you research chloroform on the internet, then your 3-year-old daughter is alegedly stolen by someone, then you go out partying for a month before you report it to the police, enter a hot body contest, get a tatoo that says "The Beautiful Life", blow tens of thousands of dollars on your mom's stolen credit card, borrow a shovel from the neighbors, steal some cans of gasoline, your trunk is saturated with chloroform and tests show that there was a decomposing body in your trunk, and you lie THREE TIMES to the police about your place of employment as you attempt to construct alibis......don't you think it's pretty understandable why people are suspicious and upset.

By the way, even if they don't find her DEAD daughter's body she's going to jail for at least 6 years for obstruction of justice, bank fraud, bad checks, etc. Nancy Grace is a beacon of sanity compared this fucking nutcase.

habebe
Member Sun Sep 07 22:52:16
"So she was pumping gas into her trunk? I don't understand what you are suggesting here. How did the ethonal/alcohol and bleach get together in the trunk? "

Well, my point on that was that she was describing "ethanol" as if it was some uncommon chemical, when it could have been her having spilled some liquor in there and then later was cleaning it out, probable? no, but Possible? yes

Except that ether would have to be there in order for it to not become mustard gas, also when mixing them to create chloroform it must be chilled otherwise mustard gas would again be made, so it is highly unlikley....what is likley is that they did all sorts of testing for DNA, DNA labs routinley use chlorofom, is it not reasonably possible that TRACE amounts (remember only trace amounts were found)

" "Then the "trace amounts of chloroform" bit"

The reports I saw said that the trunk air was "SATURATED" with chloroform, not that there were just trace amounts. "

The report that I seen was that it was confirmed to be trace amounts

"The DNA labs don't know that they use chloroform? Why wouldn't they report the possibility of the chloroform being the result of lab contamination? That doesn't make much sense. "

I agree, but does anyone want say or claim "I could have fucked that up" but you know for a fact a defense attorney would argue that, why? it is a very reasonable explanation and the chlorofom was not found until after the dna tests were done

"4) Why was Casey Anthony conducting searches for chloroform on her computer? "

I can't anwser for sure, but I will suggest several reasonable theories

1)Chloroform by itself has been used as a psuedo-narcotic, you have described her acting as a party girl of sorts

2)Chloroform is the preffered solvent in many clandestine lab operations, and for extracting chemicals from pharmecuticals

I'd also like to add that if her plan was to chlorofom her kid it sounds ignorant as a three year old would be much easier to be knocked out by legal sedatives or even histamine blockers (allergy meds)

"They DID conclude that there a decomposing human body in the the trunk. Whose body would you suggest this was if it wasn't Kalee's? "

Define "they", the local authorities had claimed that, this is true

But the defense attorney and the labortories workers claim that since the dna was hair, they can not differentiate from whether the body was alive or not from hair dna alone, the hair itself may be decomposing, but no more than what is your old hairbrush

habebe
Member Sun Sep 07 22:56:56
When you listen to the cops story it sounds compelling to beleive

But when you look at each peice of evidence by itself, the story falls apart and is much less plausible

Further such misrepresentation of the facts from the authorities leads me to beleive they don't have much of a real case apparently, if they did why mislead the public? also the stunt where they later re-arrested her, when the attorney had said he would willingly surrender his client, they barged in and hauled her off to jail without informing the lawyer, again leads me to beleive that they are hiding something or mustering up a campaign aginst her

Ironleg
Member Sun Sep 07 22:59:25
lol@this topic..I've been thinking the same thing for the longest time. the only thing that pisses me off more than nancy are the retards who call in that show saying stuff like "nancy, you're an angel."

habebe
Member Sun Sep 07 23:03:01
Iron, lmao, I've often wondered where they find these people, and what their lives are like

I wonder how easy it would be to call up saying I love nancy, she's a great crusader etc., then get on air and really speak your mind

I mean, I even know people that may agree with her, and still can't stand her, she cuts off everyone halfway through if their lucky to get that much out

Ironleg
Member Sun Sep 07 23:15:49
if you look at her face when those people do call , she doesn't even smile. She looks like she wants to say "shut up bitch, hurry and ask your stupid question" then of course they ask the same question she's been asking for the last 15 minutes straight and respons with "good question" and keeps talking about it more..

habebe
Member Sun Sep 07 23:17:17
It's so horrible it's almost funny...almost

river of blood
Member Mon Sep 08 00:14:28
So habebe, you believe Kalee is still alive then? What do you think happened to her?

And you keep talking about the authorities and Nancy Grace being dishonest. What about the avalanche of lies and contradictions that have been spewing out of Kacey Anthony's mouth? She told them she worked at Universal - she didn't.
She told them she worked at ColorVision - she didn't. She told police she talked to Kalee on her cell phone the day Kalee was stolen - she did not. She lied about where the alleged babysitter lived - that apartment had been unoccupied for months. She lied about a second location where the alleged babysitter lived - turned out to be an old folks home. At one point she told police that she knew who had her daughter, that she was in good hands, and that the people who had her were going to return her on her birthday and there was nothing to worry about - clearly that did not happen.

I stopped keeping track of all these whoppers after I had heard about a dozen or so but then some additional research yielded some even more interesting ones. Like these:

Casey’s been faking emails. She was sending emails to "Thomas.Franck@events.universal.com". Thomas Franck does not apparently exist, has never worked for Universal, and Universal doesn’t even have an “@events.universal.com” email server.

Casey said that Caylee’s baby sitter, Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez, had a roommate named Raquel Farrell. Farrell supposedly worked as a hostess at a T.G.I. Friday’s. Investigators spoke with a T.G.I. Friday’s corporate representative who told them they had no employee by the name Anthony gave under any spelling.

This is some fairly elaborate shit she's coming up with. What gives? And why do the police reports say she was laughing about the whole thing when they picked her up? And why was she out partying at clubs and entering hot body contests just days after her daughter went missing?

And yes, it was officially determined that there had been a decomposing body in the trunk. This was established from air testing, not from the hair. See the latest news. So whose body was it?

habebe
Member Mon Sep 08 00:33:24
"So habebe, you believe Kalee is still alive then? What do you think happened to her? "

I simply beleive that there is no clear case it is the mother, I never said that I knew what happened to her or that she is alive, IMHO there is not enough evidence to make any conclusive decisions

"And you keep talking about the authorities and Nancy Grace being dishonest. What about the avalanche of lies and contradictions that have been spewing out of Kacey Anthony's mouth? "

I'm not denying that, but lets face it, it's the authorities jobs to try and convict, would you trust the cops in such a situtation? I know I wouldn't, my general response to police questioning is

"I'm sorry officer, I am not well versed in the law, that is why I have an attorney, he's excellent at that stuff if you would like to speak with him" and since she has an attorney now thats pretty much what she does, lets her lawyer talk for her

Is it her behaviour highly questionable? of course, why wait thirty days after the dissapearence to report anything? does that mean she killed her? no, could such behaviour imply wrongdoing on her part? yes, at minimum that seems like criminal neglegance, but not necesarrilty a murderer

"She told them she worked at ColorVision - she didn't. She told police she talked to Kalee on her cell phone the day Kalee was stolen - she did not. She lied about where the alleged babysitter lived - that apartment had been unoccupied for months. She lied about a second location where the alleged babysitter lived - turned out to be an old folks home. At one point she told police that she knew who had her daughter, that she was in good hands, and that the people who had her were going to return her on her birthday and there was nothing to worry about - clearly that did not happen. "

Have you ever been arrested? questioned by cops? I usually say nothing, or merley claim innocence/ignorance, but I could see someone being pannicked and upset and just blurting out obviously un-thought out BS

She also seems to have some mental/behavioral "irregularities" (for lack of a better term) maybe she is also pathological liar, I can't determine that as I'm not Shrink

"And yes, it was officially determined that there had been a decomposing body in the trunk. This was established from air testing, not from the hair. See the latest news. So whose body was it? "

Cite? I ask because I watched it tonight (well sunday night) and did not hear anything new

river of blood
Member Mon Sep 08 00:33:34
Christ, even her own mother says Casey is a sociopath and warns people to stay away from her. Face it, the nutjob party girl killed her kid.

habebe
Member Mon Sep 08 00:35:39
RoB, I follow the evidence, the evidence seems to show she is mentally off and a neglegent parent, not a murderer

river of blood
Member Mon Sep 08 00:44:44
"Have you ever been arrested? questioned by cops? I usually say nothing, or merley claim innocence/ignorance, but I could see someone being pannicked and upset and just blurting out obviously un-thought out BS"

But that's just the thing - it's not "un-thought out at all". How do accidently tell police that you've worked at three different places where you've never worked? How do you forget (for a couple months now) where you used to take your missing 2-year-old daughter for babysitting or who your babysitter was and then accidently POINT out the window of the police car that's driving you around to an apartment that's been empty for months and an old folks home. And she didn't just lie about working at Universal Studios, she actually took the police there with her, walked confidently through the halls to an office then stopped and admitted she never worked there!

And you want to paint all that as just someone accidently giving out innacurate information because they are nervous and can't calm down even WEEKS after sitting and rotting in jail and then being out on bail TWICE!????

river of blood
Member Mon Sep 08 00:46:07
She's a full blown textbook sociopath at the very least.

habebe
Member Mon Sep 08 00:51:33
No, I'm not saying it was accidental

I'm saying they seem to be lies thought up on the spot (quite poorly at that)

I'm not saying that I support the mom, I'm saying the case against her is being made unfairly, and that while she is obviously a lieing neglegent, theif

The case that the she killed her daughter IMO is not conclusive, I'd also say it does not make sense (things like chloroform) but that could be chalked up the same reasoning for her lies, if she did kill her, it wasn't thought out very well

habebe
Member Mon Sep 08 00:51:33
No, I'm not saying it was accidental

I'm saying they seem to be lies thought up on the spot (quite poorly at that)

I'm not saying that I support the mom, I'm saying the case against her is being made unfairly, and that while she is obviously a lieing neglegent, theif

The case that the she killed her daughter IMO is not conclusive, I'd also say it does not make sense (things like chloroform) but that could be chalked up the same reasoning for her lies, if she did kill her, it wasn't thought out very well

river of blood
Member Mon Sep 08 00:57:49
So she's just making all this crap up, interfering with the investigation, wasting time and resources, frustrating everyone and anyone that might want to help exclusively because she just crazy? Not because she's done anything wrong that she could be punished for? Like murder?

habebe
Member Mon Sep 08 01:02:17
I'm not saying it's not plausible

But the evidence isn't there to convict her, not even close

I mean, seriously, explain why chloroform when it would be much harder to get/use then say tylenol pm? or whatever, it just doesn't make sense either

habebe
Member Mon Sep 08 01:16:25
Does her behaviour lead one to beleive she is hiding something or atleast very suspicious? yes, but murder? that seems to be pushing it a bit, not that she does not seem capable of it, but it's all circumstantial, and why would the cops be acting like they are if they had a case against her?

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habebe Member	Sun Sep 07 21:18:17 Has anyone watched this show? OMFG I'd pay good money for someone to come on the show and when she interupts them (trust me it will happen) to just back hand her and say "shut the fvk up" She's been on this Kasey anthony (sp) child abduction story for like 2 months damn near She contiously misrepresents evidence For example, she claims they have found "DNA evidence of the childs decomposition" when the dna evidence was hair in the car, and as far as the experts have said they can not be sure what state (alive or dead) the dna evidence is Then the "trace amounts of chloroform" bit, an expert pointed out that Ethanol and bleach if near each other will make Chloroform (especially trace amounts, he didn't mention ethanol could be replaced with acetone...) then she has some rant about how someone could get ethanol in their car trunk, really? is she that stupid? ethanol is ALCOHOL, it's also in every single gas pump (or damn near) in the US (a bad idea though) It was further mentioned that this is new evidence, and it was found AFTER the FBI had done dna tests, well it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that chlorofom is ROUTINLEY used in all sorts of laboratories, it's an excellent solvent as well as being used extensivley in DNA LABS! She also continously called it "Extremley dangerous" and "Lethal", well, in trace amounts it's not lethal, in fact in moderate doses it's not lethal, it CAN be lethal, but so can asprin I really hope that kid is found alive and well if only to piss that cvnt off
masterp Member	Sun Sep 07 21:20:04 I'd like to take my shotgun to Nancy Grace's face
habebe Member	Sun Sep 07 21:29:35 Everything on that show also seems to be a "Bombshell" or "extreme" almost to the point it's funny, but I just can't seem to smile with her face on scrfeen and her mouth a flappin This rant has helped me, but I really am curious if anyone could enjoy her, I doubt she's ever been laid..maybe thats her problem...best to follow masterp's idea
Hot Rod Moderator	Sun Sep 07 21:31:21 Try listening to Greta on FOX, I think you will notice the difference.
mexicantornado Member	Sun Sep 07 21:34:01 All media outlets have declared the woman guilty of murder. Infact they declared her guilty about 2 or 3 days into this story.
habebe Member	Sun Sep 07 21:35:26 Vansustren? My parents were watching it to see if any new news was found on the case, but they couldn't stand her for more than a few minutes either It was sort of comical though how she used the term "ethanol" like it was a chemists jargon or something mysterious chemical
habebe Member	Sun Sep 07 21:39:46 Chloroform btw, is very easily made at home by mixing bleach and acetone (better than alcohol) and then preserving it from turning into mustard gas by adding a small amount of ether (if memory serves .75% will do, a little more won't really hurt) She made it seem like even researching chlorofom was "criminal", well I have, I've even got a paper on how to make your own asprin with salic acid...why? both are esily made with everyday chemicals (cheap) and I like twittering around with chemistry is that a crime?
Eikeys Ghost Sports Mod	Sun Sep 07 21:48:03 nancy grace is the biggest waste of airtime on tv. I've not been able to flip through the channels and watch 3 mins of a show and yell out loud, 'SHUT THE FUCK UP!' - the topic is mostly irrelevent, she is always wrong.
river of blood Member	Sun Sep 07 21:50:31 She bugs me too sometimes but I've got some problems with your take on this case: 1) "it's also in every single gas pump" So she was pumping gas into her trunk? I don't understand what you are suggesting here. How did the ethonal/alcohol and bleach get together in the trunk? 2) "Then the "trace amounts of chloroform" bit" The reports I saw said that the trunk air was "SATURATED" with chloroform, not that there were just trace amounts. 3) "It was further mentioned that this is new evidence, and it was found AFTER the FBI had done dna tests, well it doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that chlorofom is ROUTINLEY used in all sorts of laboratories, it's an excellent solvent as well as being used extensivley in DNA LABS!" The DNA labs don't know that they use chloroform? Why wouldn't they report the possibility of the chloroform being the result of lab contamination? That doesn't make much sense. 4) Why was Casey Anthony conducting searches for chloroform on her computer? 5) They DID conclude that there a decomposing human body in the the trunk. Whose body would you suggest this was if it wasn't Kalee's? 6) You might be the only person left on the planet that thinks Kalee is alive after all of the evidence that has come forth so far and Casey's totally bizarre behavior and chronic lying. I don't think even her grandparents believe that.
master P Member	Sun Sep 07 21:55:49 "Why was Casey Anthony conducting searches for chloroform on her computer? " RoB, I would think that you of all people would find this irrelivant. "The DNA labs don't know that they use chloroform? Why wouldn't they report the possibility of the chloroform being the result of lab contamination? That doesn't make much sense. " I think he is arguing that the only person who thinks this is evidence is Nancy Grace
river of blood Member	Sun Sep 07 22:10:34 "She made it seem like even researching chlorofom was "criminal"" Obviously not criminal but when you research chloroform on the internet, then your 3-year-old daughter is alegedly stolen by someone, then you go out partying for a month before you report it to the police, enter a hot body contest, get a tatoo that says "The Beautiful Life", blow tens of thousands of dollars on your mom's stolen credit card, borrow a shovel from the neighbors, steal some cans of gasoline, your trunk is saturated with chloroform and tests show that there was a decomposing body in your trunk, and you lie THREE TIMES to the police about your place of employment as you attempt to construct alibis......don't you think it's pretty understandable why people are suspicious and upset. By the way, even if they don't find her DEAD daughter's body she's going to jail for at least 6 years for obstruction of justice, bank fraud, bad checks, etc. Nancy Grace is a beacon of sanity compared this fucking nutcase.
habebe Member	Sun Sep 07 22:52:16 "So she was pumping gas into her trunk? I don't understand what you are suggesting here. How did the ethonal/alcohol and bleach get together in the trunk? " Well, my point on that was that she was describing "ethanol" as if it was some uncommon chemical, when it could have been her having spilled some liquor in there and then later was cleaning it out, probable? no, but Possible? yes Except that ether would have to be there in order for it to not become mustard gas, also when mixing them to create chloroform it must be chilled otherwise mustard gas would again be made, so it is highly unlikley....what is likley is that they did all sorts of testing for DNA, DNA labs routinley use chlorofom, is it not reasonably possible that TRACE amounts (remember only trace amounts were found) " "Then the "trace amounts of chloroform" bit" The reports I saw said that the trunk air was "SATURATED" with chloroform, not that there were just trace amounts. " The report that I seen was that it was confirmed to be trace amounts "The DNA labs don't know that they use chloroform? Why wouldn't they report the possibility of the chloroform being the result of lab contamination? That doesn't make much sense. " I agree, but does anyone want say or claim "I could have fucked that up" but you know for a fact a defense attorney would argue that, why? it is a very reasonable explanation and the chlorofom was not found until after the dna tests were done "4) Why was Casey Anthony conducting searches for chloroform on her computer? " I can't anwser for sure, but I will suggest several reasonable theories 1)Chloroform by itself has been used as a psuedo-narcotic, you have described her acting as a party girl of sorts 2)Chloroform is the preffered solvent in many clandestine lab operations, and for extracting chemicals from pharmecuticals I'd also like to add that if her plan was to chlorofom her kid it sounds ignorant as a three year old would be much easier to be knocked out by legal sedatives or even histamine blockers (allergy meds) "They DID conclude that there a decomposing human body in the the trunk. Whose body would you suggest this was if it wasn't Kalee's? " Define "they", the local authorities had claimed that, this is true But the defense attorney and the labortories workers claim that since the dna was hair, they can not differentiate from whether the body was alive or not from hair dna alone, the hair itself may be decomposing, but no more than what is your old hairbrush
habebe Member	Sun Sep 07 22:56:56 When you listen to the cops story it sounds compelling to beleive But when you look at each peice of evidence by itself, the story falls apart and is much less plausible Further such misrepresentation of the facts from the authorities leads me to beleive they don't have much of a real case apparently, if they did why mislead the public? also the stunt where they later re-arrested her, when the attorney had said he would willingly surrender his client, they barged in and hauled her off to jail without informing the lawyer, again leads me to beleive that they are hiding something or mustering up a campaign aginst her
Ironleg Member	Sun Sep 07 22:59:25 lol@this topic..I've been thinking the same thing for the longest time. the only thing that pisses me off more than nancy are the retards who call in that show saying stuff like "nancy, you're an angel."
habebe Member	Sun Sep 07 23:03:01 Iron, lmao, I've often wondered where they find these people, and what their lives are like I wonder how easy it would be to call up saying I love nancy, she's a great crusader etc., then get on air and really speak your mind I mean, I even know people that may agree with her, and still can't stand her, she cuts off everyone halfway through if their lucky to get that much out
Ironleg Member	Sun Sep 07 23:15:49 if you look at her face when those people do call , she doesn't even smile. She looks like she wants to say "shut up bitch, hurry and ask your stupid question" then of course they ask the same question she's been asking for the last 15 minutes straight and respons with "good question" and keeps talking about it more..
habebe Member	Sun Sep 07 23:17:17 It's so horrible it's almost funny...almost
river of blood Member	Mon Sep 08 00:14:28 So habebe, you believe Kalee is still alive then? What do you think happened to her? And you keep talking about the authorities and Nancy Grace being dishonest. What about the avalanche of lies and contradictions that have been spewing out of Kacey Anthony's mouth? She told them she worked at Universal - she didn't. She told them she worked at ColorVision - she didn't. She told police she talked to Kalee on her cell phone the day Kalee was stolen - she did not. She lied about where the alleged babysitter lived - that apartment had been unoccupied for months. She lied about a second location where the alleged babysitter lived - turned out to be an old folks home. At one point she told police that she knew who had her daughter, that she was in good hands, and that the people who had her were going to return her on her birthday and there was nothing to worry about - clearly that did not happen. I stopped keeping track of all these whoppers after I had heard about a dozen or so but then some additional research yielded some even more interesting ones. Like these: Casey’s been faking emails. She was sending emails to "Thomas.Franck@events.universal.com". Thomas Franck does not apparently exist, has never worked for Universal, and Universal doesn’t even have an “@events.universal.com” email server. Casey said that Caylee’s baby sitter, Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez, had a roommate named Raquel Farrell. Farrell supposedly worked as a hostess at a T.G.I. Friday’s. Investigators spoke with a T.G.I. Friday’s corporate representative who told them they had no employee by the name Anthony gave under any spelling. This is some fairly elaborate shit she's coming up with. What gives? And why do the police reports say she was laughing about the whole thing when they picked her up? And why was she out partying at clubs and entering hot body contests just days after her daughter went missing? And yes, it was officially determined that there had been a decomposing body in the trunk. This was established from air testing, not from the hair. See the latest news. So whose body was it?
habebe Member	Mon Sep 08 00:33:24 "So habebe, you believe Kalee is still alive then? What do you think happened to her? " I simply beleive that there is no clear case it is the mother, I never said that I knew what happened to her or that she is alive, IMHO there is not enough evidence to make any conclusive decisions "And you keep talking about the authorities and Nancy Grace being dishonest. What about the avalanche of lies and contradictions that have been spewing out of Kacey Anthony's mouth? " I'm not denying that, but lets face it, it's the authorities jobs to try and convict, would you trust the cops in such a situtation? I know I wouldn't, my general response to police questioning is "I'm sorry officer, I am not well versed in the law, that is why I have an attorney, he's excellent at that stuff if you would like to speak with him" and since she has an attorney now thats pretty much what she does, lets her lawyer talk for her Is it her behaviour highly questionable? of course, why wait thirty days after the dissapearence to report anything? does that mean she killed her? no, could such behaviour imply wrongdoing on her part? yes, at minimum that seems like criminal neglegance, but not necesarrilty a murderer "She told them she worked at ColorVision - she didn't. She told police she talked to Kalee on her cell phone the day Kalee was stolen - she did not. She lied about where the alleged babysitter lived - that apartment had been unoccupied for months. She lied about a second location where the alleged babysitter lived - turned out to be an old folks home. At one point she told police that she knew who had her daughter, that she was in good hands, and that the people who had her were going to return her on her birthday and there was nothing to worry about - clearly that did not happen. " Have you ever been arrested? questioned by cops? I usually say nothing, or merley claim innocence/ignorance, but I could see someone being pannicked and upset and just blurting out obviously un-thought out BS She also seems to have some mental/behavioral "irregularities" (for lack of a better term) maybe she is also pathological liar, I can't determine that as I'm not Shrink "And yes, it was officially determined that there had been a decomposing body in the trunk. This was established from air testing, not from the hair. See the latest news. So whose body was it? " Cite? I ask because I watched it tonight (well sunday night) and did not hear anything new
river of blood Member	Mon Sep 08 00:33:34 Christ, even her own mother says Casey is a sociopath and warns people to stay away from her. Face it, the nutjob party girl killed her kid.
habebe Member	Mon Sep 08 00:35:39 RoB, I follow the evidence, the evidence seems to show she is mentally off and a neglegent parent, not a murderer
river of blood Member	Mon Sep 08 00:44:44 "Have you ever been arrested? questioned by cops? I usually say nothing, or merley claim innocence/ignorance, but I could see someone being pannicked and upset and just blurting out obviously un-thought out BS" But that's just the thing - it's not "un-thought out at all". How do accidently tell police that you've worked at three different places where you've never worked? How do you forget (for a couple months now) where you used to take your missing 2-year-old daughter for babysitting or who your babysitter was and then accidently POINT out the window of the police car that's driving you around to an apartment that's been empty for months and an old folks home. And she didn't just lie about working at Universal Studios, she actually took the police there with her, walked confidently through the halls to an office then stopped and admitted she never worked there! And you want to paint all that as just someone accidently giving out innacurate information because they are nervous and can't calm down even WEEKS after sitting and rotting in jail and then being out on bail TWICE!????
river of blood Member	Mon Sep 08 00:46:07 She's a full blown textbook sociopath at the very least.
habebe Member	Mon Sep 08 00:51:33 No, I'm not saying it was accidental I'm saying they seem to be lies thought up on the spot (quite poorly at that) I'm not saying that I support the mom, I'm saying the case against her is being made unfairly, and that while she is obviously a lieing neglegent, theif The case that the she killed her daughter IMO is not conclusive, I'd also say it does not make sense (things like chloroform) but that could be chalked up the same reasoning for her lies, if she did kill her, it wasn't thought out very well
habebe Member	Mon Sep 08 00:51:33 No, I'm not saying it was accidental I'm saying they seem to be lies thought up on the spot (quite poorly at that) I'm not saying that I support the mom, I'm saying the case against her is being made unfairly, and that while she is obviously a lieing neglegent, theif The case that the she killed her daughter IMO is not conclusive, I'd also say it does not make sense (things like chloroform) but that could be chalked up the same reasoning for her lies, if she did kill her, it wasn't thought out very well
river of blood Member	Mon Sep 08 00:57:49 So she's just making all this crap up, interfering with the investigation, wasting time and resources, frustrating everyone and anyone that might want to help exclusively because she just crazy? Not because she's done anything wrong that she could be punished for? Like murder?
habebe Member	Mon Sep 08 01:02:17 I'm not saying it's not plausible But the evidence isn't there to convict her, not even close I mean, seriously, explain why chloroform when it would be much harder to get/use then say tylenol pm? or whatever, it just doesn't make sense either
habebe Member	Mon Sep 08 01:16:25 Does her behaviour lead one to beleive she is hiding something or atleast very suspicious? yes, but murder? that seems to be pushing it a bit, not that she does not seem capable of it, but it's all circumstantial, and why would the cops be acting like they are if they had a case against her?
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