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murder
Moderator Thu Aug 21 06:47:39
OK it's been ~ 2 weeks since the Soviets invaded Georgia, they are still there and entrenching themselves more by the day, and they are now threatening strikes on Poland for having the audacity of engaging in common defense with it's NATO allies.

I think it is safe to say that the sheeps clothing is off the wolf, and safe to conclude that the Soviet Union is NOT interested in being a constructive partner to the EU & NATO.

How should the west respond?

Some will undoubtedly desire to simply turn back the clock and return things to the way they were before the invasion, but IMO that is simply not possible.

Hot Rod
Moderator Thu Aug 21 06:54:06

Kicking them out of the G8 is a start.

Not sure if it is feasible, or even possible, but I would like to see them stripped of their seat on the UNSC.

Or at least lose their veto power. A belligerent state should not have that power and they have shown themselves to be a belligerent state.

Master Bates
Member Thu Aug 21 07:31:51
Wow. If you hadn't been born in the US, I bet you'd have wanted to kick the US off the planet for Iraq.

swordtail
Member Thu Aug 21 09:39:28
"How should the west respond?"

NUKES!
LOT'S OF NUKES!
REALLY BIG NUKES!

jergul
Member Thu Aug 21 09:42:06
I think a boycott of caviar is in order.

swordtail
Member Thu Aug 21 09:43:11
NO NOT THE CAVIAR!

licker
Member Thu Aug 21 10:33:08
"Wow. If you hadn't been born in the US, I bet you'd have wanted to kick the US off the planet for Iraq."

And if you hadn't been born missing some chromosomes I'm sure you'd stop with the ludicrous comparisons between Iraq and Georgia...

(ignore the slam, its all in good fun these days)

murder
Moderator Thu Aug 21 10:36:48

"Wow. If you hadn't been born in the US, I bet you'd have wanted to kick the US off the planet for Iraq."

MB: Iraq is not relevant to this conversation. This thread was meant for discussion of the Soviets aggressive actions and how to contain them.

jergul
Member Thu Aug 21 12:22:01
Well obviously the US should sign an immediate pact with Georgia in order to fight for its territorial integrity.

You go git em boy!

roland
Member Thu Aug 21 12:26:59
"MB: Iraq is not relevant to this conversation. This thread was meant for discussion of the Soviets aggressive actions and how to contain them. "

I think he means to give them an inauguration gift to join the unilateralist club.

Werewolf Dictator
Member Thu Aug 21 12:36:05
1start sexual harrasin are women to make are births go up 2

2make misile sheild in estoina and say its to stop irannians even moer

3
keep sayin we dont like em till they cant stand it no more

talon121
Member Thu Aug 21 12:37:37
4
lern two spek propur englush

Hrothgar
Member Thu Aug 21 12:46:01
Iraq IS relevant, and even more so Kosovo, because it was because of these actions in large part that Russia is excusing their excess.

The reasons America went offensive isn't as important as the fact that it did go offensive.

Stupid mistake that opened the doors of excuse for other big nations who want to go offensive.

Hot Rod
Moderator Thu Aug 21 13:22:20

You guys really don't see the difference do you.

Hot Rod shakes his head and walks away.

swordtail
Member Thu Aug 21 13:23:45
"Hot Rod shakes his head and walks away."

please keep on walking away.
far far away.
k, thx!

Real Fred
Moderator Thu Aug 21 13:25:06
I wish the Soviets would invade Georgia, USA. What a fucking dump that state is.

licker
Member Thu Aug 21 13:26:33
"Iraq IS relevant, and even more so Kosovo, because it was because of these actions in large part that Russia is excusing their excess."

Sure, throw in Sudan and Afghanastan and...

Facts are that Iraq and Georgia have about zero in common when you bother to look at the build up, invasion, and aftermath.

But do keep on saying they are the same, lets us know who the soviets on the board are.

Rugian
Member Thu Aug 21 13:27:21
"and even more so Kosovo"

This is moronic. Either give reasons why Kosovo = S. Ossetia in any way or STFU with this line of reasoning.

Real Fred
Moderator Thu Aug 21 13:27:49
I'm a soviet at heart.

Rugian
Member Thu Aug 21 13:27:50
"I wish the Soviets would invade Georgia, USA."

But why would they want to?

Real Fred
Moderator Thu Aug 21 13:28:33
"I wish the Soviets would invade Georgia, USA."

But why would they want to?"

Chitlins.

licker
Member Thu Aug 21 13:31:08
There are some fine strip clubs in atlanta.

Rugian
Member Thu Aug 21 13:31:57
Strip clubs? The entire Russian female population exists solely to be prostitutes and the object of sexual harassment. I don't think they have a dire need for strip clubs.

Werewolf Dictator
Member Thu Aug 21 13:33:25
i knew rushians couldent be all bad

Rugian
Member Thu Aug 21 13:34:04
Yeah but Russian women all have AIDS.

murder
Moderator Thu Aug 21 19:35:00

"Well obviously the US should sign an immediate pact with Georgia in order to fight for its territorial integrity."

jergul: I'm all for it, but this administration obviously wants no part of it ... and I seriously doubt that our European allies would cooperate, which would make any operation impossible.

But yeah, I'm all for trying to establish a new security apparatus in Eastern Europe built around Poland and Ukraine ... and a very healthy dose of material and financial military aid.

As far as Georgia and the Caucasus in general, the natural competition there is between Russia, Iran and Turkey, so it would probably be wisest to let those countries thumb wrestle over who gets to dominate that region ... with the US backing Turkey of course.

Bubba Moonsaw
Member Thu Aug 21 20:53:44
teh yuess hes 1 bylien nooks

yoos 1 hindrd tu teech rusha a leson

probilim sahlvd

redblooded
Member Fri Aug 22 05:50:23
ne of the main problems is the biased and one-sided reporting by the media in the US and Europe.

If people were aware of the full background and about the initiation of open warfare by Georgia, they would be less worried and would think differently about the situation.

This kind of Russophobe reporting is useful for people who support NATO and the military industrial complexe, but not for clear and informed deliberations.

murder
Moderator Sat Aug 23 05:32:04

"If people were aware of the full background and about the initiation of open warfare by Georgia, they would be less worried and would think differently about the situation."

redblooded: If the Soviets weren't occupying Georgian soil with "peacekeepers" while providing cover for the separatists who conduct attacks against Georgia ... we might think differently about the situation.

But they are occupying Georgian soil and their army is providing cover for the separatists who conduct attacks against Georgia.

Kind of like we get slammed for invading and occupying Iraq.

Funny how that works, huh? :o)

murder
Member Wed Mar 12 10:39:17
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murder Moderator	Thu Aug 21 06:47:39 OK it's been ~ 2 weeks since the Soviets invaded Georgia, they are still there and entrenching themselves more by the day, and they are now threatening strikes on Poland for having the audacity of engaging in common defense with it's NATO allies. I think it is safe to say that the sheeps clothing is off the wolf, and safe to conclude that the Soviet Union is NOT interested in being a constructive partner to the EU & NATO. How should the west respond? Some will undoubtedly desire to simply turn back the clock and return things to the way they were before the invasion, but IMO that is simply not possible.
Hot Rod Moderator	Thu Aug 21 06:54:06 Kicking them out of the G8 is a start. Not sure if it is feasible, or even possible, but I would like to see them stripped of their seat on the UNSC. Or at least lose their veto power. A belligerent state should not have that power and they have shown themselves to be a belligerent state.
Master Bates Member	Thu Aug 21 07:31:51 Wow. If you hadn't been born in the US, I bet you'd have wanted to kick the US off the planet for Iraq.
swordtail Member	Thu Aug 21 09:39:28 "How should the west respond?" NUKES! LOT'S OF NUKES! REALLY BIG NUKES!
jergul Member	Thu Aug 21 09:42:06 I think a boycott of caviar is in order.
swordtail Member	Thu Aug 21 09:43:11 NO NOT THE CAVIAR!
licker Member	Thu Aug 21 10:33:08 "Wow. If you hadn't been born in the US, I bet you'd have wanted to kick the US off the planet for Iraq." And if you hadn't been born missing some chromosomes I'm sure you'd stop with the ludicrous comparisons between Iraq and Georgia... (ignore the slam, its all in good fun these days)
murder Moderator	Thu Aug 21 10:36:48 "Wow. If you hadn't been born in the US, I bet you'd have wanted to kick the US off the planet for Iraq." MB: Iraq is not relevant to this conversation. This thread was meant for discussion of the Soviets aggressive actions and how to contain them.
jergul Member	Thu Aug 21 12:22:01 Well obviously the US should sign an immediate pact with Georgia in order to fight for its territorial integrity. You go git em boy!
roland Member	Thu Aug 21 12:26:59 "MB: Iraq is not relevant to this conversation. This thread was meant for discussion of the Soviets aggressive actions and how to contain them. " I think he means to give them an inauguration gift to join the unilateralist club.
Werewolf Dictator Member	Thu Aug 21 12:36:05 1start sexual harrasin are women to make are births go up 2 2make misile sheild in estoina and say its to stop irannians even moer 3 keep sayin we dont like em till they cant stand it no more
talon121 Member	Thu Aug 21 12:37:37 4 lern two spek propur englush
Hrothgar Member	Thu Aug 21 12:46:01 Iraq IS relevant, and even more so Kosovo, because it was because of these actions in large part that Russia is excusing their excess. The reasons America went offensive isn't as important as the fact that it did go offensive. Stupid mistake that opened the doors of excuse for other big nations who want to go offensive.
Hot Rod Moderator	Thu Aug 21 13:22:20 You guys really don't see the difference do you. Hot Rod shakes his head and walks away.
swordtail Member	Thu Aug 21 13:23:45 "Hot Rod shakes his head and walks away." please keep on walking away. far far away. k, thx!
Real Fred Moderator	Thu Aug 21 13:25:06 I wish the Soviets would invade Georgia, USA. What a fucking dump that state is.
licker Member	Thu Aug 21 13:26:33 "Iraq IS relevant, and even more so Kosovo, because it was because of these actions in large part that Russia is excusing their excess." Sure, throw in Sudan and Afghanastan and... Facts are that Iraq and Georgia have about zero in common when you bother to look at the build up, invasion, and aftermath. But do keep on saying they are the same, lets us know who the soviets on the board are.
Rugian Member	Thu Aug 21 13:27:21 "and even more so Kosovo" This is moronic. Either give reasons why Kosovo = S. Ossetia in any way or STFU with this line of reasoning.
Real Fred Moderator	Thu Aug 21 13:27:49 I'm a soviet at heart.
Rugian Member	Thu Aug 21 13:27:50 "I wish the Soviets would invade Georgia, USA." But why would they want to?
Real Fred Moderator	Thu Aug 21 13:28:33 "I wish the Soviets would invade Georgia, USA." But why would they want to?" Chitlins.
licker Member	Thu Aug 21 13:31:08 There are some fine strip clubs in atlanta.
Rugian Member	Thu Aug 21 13:31:57 Strip clubs? The entire Russian female population exists solely to be prostitutes and the object of sexual harassment. I don't think they have a dire need for strip clubs.
Werewolf Dictator Member	Thu Aug 21 13:33:25 i knew rushians couldent be all bad
Rugian Member	Thu Aug 21 13:34:04 Yeah but Russian women all have AIDS.
murder Moderator	Thu Aug 21 19:35:00 "Well obviously the US should sign an immediate pact with Georgia in order to fight for its territorial integrity." jergul: I'm all for it, but this administration obviously wants no part of it ... and I seriously doubt that our European allies would cooperate, which would make any operation impossible. But yeah, I'm all for trying to establish a new security apparatus in Eastern Europe built around Poland and Ukraine ... and a very healthy dose of material and financial military aid. As far as Georgia and the Caucasus in general, the natural competition there is between Russia, Iran and Turkey, so it would probably be wisest to let those countries thumb wrestle over who gets to dominate that region ... with the US backing Turkey of course.
Bubba Moonsaw Member	Thu Aug 21 20:53:44 teh yuess hes 1 bylien nooks yoos 1 hindrd tu teech rusha a leson probilim sahlvd
redblooded Member	Fri Aug 22 05:50:23 ne of the main problems is the biased and one-sided reporting by the media in the US and Europe. If people were aware of the full background and about the initiation of open warfare by Georgia, they would be less worried and would think differently about the situation. This kind of Russophobe reporting is useful for people who support NATO and the military industrial complexe, but not for clear and informed deliberations.
murder Moderator	Sat Aug 23 05:32:04 "If people were aware of the full background and about the initiation of open warfare by Georgia, they would be less worried and would think differently about the situation." redblooded: If the Soviets weren't occupying Georgian soil with "peacekeepers" while providing cover for the separatists who conduct attacks against Georgia ... we might think differently about the situation. But they are occupying Georgian soil and their army is providing cover for the separatists who conduct attacks against Georgia. Kind of like we get slammed for invading and occupying Iraq. Funny how that works, huh? :o)
murder Member	Wed Mar 12 10:39:17 ^^^
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