Utopia Talk / Politics / cession of crimea to ukrain void

Spiridonovich Putin Member	Fri Aug 22 19:38:55 http://que...EFDE1338F931A15756C0A964958260 Russia Votes to Void Cession of Crimea to Ukraine The Russian Parliament voted today to declare the 1954 grant of Crimea to Ukraine unconstitutional and void, adding that the issue should be resolved through negotiations. The resolution, which passed 136 to 18, with 20 abstentions, in effect annulled the decision by Nikita S. Khrushchev, the Soviet leader at the time, to give the strategic peninsula to Ukraine as a "gift" marking the 300th anniversary of Russian-Ukrainian union.
Spiridonovich Putin Member	Fri Aug 22 19:40:16 crimea are 70% russian too
yankeessuck123 Member	Fri Aug 22 19:41:01 Published: May 22, 1992
Spiridonovich Putin Member	Fri Aug 22 19:41:56 So what? It is an event that is important today. ukraine is holding onto stolen russian land which they soon will lose.
Spiridonovich Putin Member	Fri Aug 22 19:44:01 http://en.rian.ru/russia/20080409/104227945.html Russia could claim Crimea if Ukraine joins NATO If Ukraine's admission to NATO is accelerated, Russia could raise the question of which country the Crimea should be a part of," Alexei Ostrovsky, the head of the State Duma committee on CIS affairs, said in a radio interview. "The Russian Federation has legal grounds to revise agreements signed under Khrushchev." Former Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev, who grew up in Ukraine, made the Crimean Peninsula - a territory of 26,100 sq km washed by the Black and Azov seas - part of the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic in 1954. The peninsula had formerly been a part of the Russian Soviet Socialist Republic. The Crimea, now an autonomous region within Ukraine, is a predominantly Russian-speaking territory. Since the 1991 breakup of the Soviet Union, the Crimea has unsuccessfully sought independence from Ukraine. A 1994 referendum in the Crimea supported demands for a broader autonomy and closer links with Russia. However, Ostrovsky admitted that Ukraine was unlikely to join NATO any time soon, saying that the Ukrainian president, prime minister and parliamentary speaker were the only people in the country seeking membership of the Western military alliance. His comments referred to recent opinion polls that have indicated that about 70% of the population is opposed to joining NATO.
Rugian Member	Fri Aug 22 19:46:44 Russians should be sent back to Russia if they want to live there so bad. GTFO out of Ukraine.
Spiridonovich Putin Member	Fri Aug 22 19:48:08 The cession of crimea to ukraine was illegal and 70% of the people there are russian and voted close ties with russia and they even want to be part of russia
Dick Swinger Member	Fri Aug 22 19:50:36 Putins getting a little too nationalistic. The Russians have decided: Fuck the US, they can't do shit at the moment, we're gonna get as much influence out of this deal as we can while the going's good.
BushIsDaBestPresid Member	Fri Aug 22 19:51:14 wat dus pootins cok tast leik dirtea rusin
Rugian Member	Fri Aug 22 19:51:29 "The cession of crimea to ukraine was illegal" "and 70% of the people there are russian and voted close ties with russia and they even want to be part of russia" If they love Russia so bad, Kursk is right next door. They should go there and stop whining.
Spiridonovich Putin Member	Fri Aug 22 19:52:54 or the 20% ukraines can go back to ukraine and not impose their will on the 80% russians crimea is russian territory the cession is void.
Rugian Member	Fri Aug 22 19:53:18 Crimea is Ukrainian. Suck it you stupid slav.
roland Member	Fri Aug 22 23:06:19 In a way, this could be beneficial to Ukrainian providing these Russia give up their Ukraine citizenship How can the pro Russian camp going to win any election in the Ukraine without the Russians in the east.
Brunstgnagg New Member	Sat Aug 23 00:15:48 Best way to get over this is to let Ukraine join NATO if they really want it, and if they do join make them give up crimea. That way, everyone is unhappy so its likely for the best.
murder Moderator	Sat Aug 23 08:46:08 Why wouldn't they? It's not like Bush is going to do anything to stop them from invading another ally.
Dick Swinger Member	Sat Aug 23 08:55:00 Murder, actual hostilities ceased within a week, casualties are within the hundreds, why would you prefer a full scale war between Russia and the US, killing tens or hundreds of thousands of Russians and Americans and teetering all the time on the edge of going nuclear to that?
murder Moderator	Sat Aug 23 09:06:27 1) Because Georgia was supposedly an ally, and only a nation of punk bitches would allow an ally to get overrun and occupied without responding with force to drive out the invader. 2) I do not accept the premise that tens of thousands of Americans would die ... much less hundreds of thousands. I am endlessly annoyed at the assertion that standing up to the Soviets is equivalent to nuclear war. That is stupid. The Soviets are not suicidal, so any short of Abrams tanks rolling towards Moscow is simply NOT going to result in a Soviet launch no matter how many times that nonsense is repeated.
murder Moderator	Sat Aug 23 09:07:36 anything* short of
Dick Swinger Member	Sat Aug 23 09:15:13 Ok, so you don't think the US should have neccessarily gone to war with Russia then? Because I think you're coming off as though thats what you mean to many posters. You just wanted a much stronger resistance from the US.
murder Moderator	Sat Aug 23 10:54:10 I think we should've bombed the ever loving crap out of Soviet forces inside Georgia ... and that most certainly is war.
Nimatzo88174 Member	Sun Feb 05 00:30:18 set found came she give mark heat !
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