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Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Nov 19 12:15:34

his plans for the illegal immigrants.

It will be a televised address to the nation.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Nov 19 12:19:54

We shall see if I am correct.


"But, have you been listening to Obama? I posted his position earlier.

1) If the republican congress submits an immigration Bill that Obama approves of by a certain date he will sign it.

2) But, if the republican congress is not able to meet that deadline Obama will...

3) Write an Executive Order that could give as many as four million illegals residency status.

4) However, if the republican congress submits, at a later date, a Bill that Obama likes he will allow it to supersede his Executive Order.


Isn't he saying that anything to do with immigration reform will be done his way?"
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 19 12:30:12
correct about what?
CrownRoyal
Member
Wed Nov 19 12:30:22
I am going to go on a limb and try to predict republican reaction. I know this is risky, I mean, who even knows how GOP is going to react?

OK, here it goes.

Republicans will react with fury and indignation.

We shall see if I am correct.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Nov 19 12:35:58

tw, about what was posted in that thread.

If he ends up getting what he wants.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 19 12:38:02
no need to wait to hear what he actually plans to do, rage on now

they sure didn't wait to see the 'gun control' executive actions that ended up having no actual gun control measures
cthulhu
Tentacle Rapist
Wed Nov 19 12:38:15
He's gonna reverse citizenship. Everyone who is illegal will get full citizenship and everyone who is currently a citizen will have that stripped HR
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 19 12:38:59
"If he ends up getting what he wants. "

how are we going to determine that tomorrow?

and you also admitted you didn't know what he wants
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 19 12:40:24
he may surrender the country to Mexico... or offer a cash bounty on Mexican ears... either seems equally likely
CrownRoyal
Member
Wed Nov 19 12:44:22
He will come out as gay and observant muslim. ISIS will be invited to the US and given state to rule, probably Oklahoma. Obama will also display a third testicle on camera tomorrow.
Im better then you
2012 UP Football Champ
Wed Nov 19 12:56:04
Wrong he'll give ISIS Mississippi and Alabma or Texas.
MrPresident07
Member
Wed Nov 19 12:57:41
This is a big fucking deal.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 19 13:00:50
i think you mean 'This could be a big fucking deal.'

i -do- suspect he may actually do something... but is it so hard to wait to hear what it is before deciding how illegal and horrible it is?

coming up on Fox we will hear if Obama is now an emperor
MrPresident07
Member
Wed Nov 19 13:11:09
Sure, but only if the resident Obama dick suckers admit that he's out of line if/when it happens.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 19 13:19:31
and let's also hope Obama dick kickers can compare his plan to realistic alternatives rather than the fantasy notion that all the millions of dirty Mexicans can be deported
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Nov 19 13:25:52

tw - "If he ends up getting what he wants. "

how are we going to determine that tomorrow?

and you also admitted you didn't know what he wants



If he does what is expected, postponing the deportation of the parents of American borne babies who are here illegally that will be the beginning of what I suspect. To find out for sure if he gets what he really wants we will have to wait till after the republicans reverse his EO.

The way he has set this up no matter what the republicans do they will not be able to reverse the EO while he is in office.

After we get a republican President the republicans will have three choices.

1) Reverse Obama's EO with the new Presidents EO.

2) Reverse it through legislation with a new Bill.

3) Leave Obama's EO in effect which they do not want on principle.


So then if the republicans reverse Obama's EO it will cause a real shit storm for the republicas by those who support allowing the illegals to stay in America.

If the republicans do nothing then they will be damned for doing nothing.

The republicans loose both ways.

It is a trap.

Pillz
Member
Wed Nov 19 13:27:37
Ain't gonna see another Republican in the white house in your lifetime hot rod.
obaminated
Member
Wed Nov 19 13:44:42
Partisan hacks (like ones in this thread) won't have a problem with Obama doing this. Everyone else will see it for what it is.
hood
Member
Wed Nov 19 13:56:58
Mt should be banned from using the phrase "partisan hacks."
obaminated
Member
Wed Nov 19 13:59:57
Pretty sure I've come down on gop when it is warranted and have remained pretty ideologically consistent. If you have evidence of me ignoring some GOP member flaws purely on partisan grounds, please provide it. Otherwise shut the fuck up because you are in fact one of the members on this forum who will probably ignore a murder if it is done by a democrat.
CrownRoyal
Member
Wed Nov 19 14:02:10
"Pretty sure I've come down on gop when it is warranted and have remained pretty ideologically consistent. "

If you have evidence of that, please provide it. Otherwise, well, you know...
Rugian
Member
Wed Nov 19 14:08:53
Constitutio Obama. Yay
obaminated
Member
Wed Nov 19 14:18:20
I'm pretty sure I've made fun of McCain and Steve king for their insane nsa love.

But hey CR, you are a guy who has zero ties to the US and yet likes one political party over another. That's pretty fucking weird that you care as much as you do.
CrownRoyal
Member
Wed Nov 19 14:20:59
You want me to make fun of Obama, like you did with McCain and Steve King? Or any Dem, come on, name any Democrat, I'll make fun of him/her. You know you want to. Do it
obaminated
Member
Wed Nov 19 14:28:24
No, I want you to be ideologically consistent and not a partisan hack. You literally have zero motivation to be a partisan hack when discussing American politics, none of it effects you. At least with Hood, IBTY, Patom, they can be hacks because they can vote for a democrat who will be corrupt, not give a shit about the constitution and fuck around with senate rules and get away with it. You, on the other hand, can't vote for anyone.

So you should be ideologically consistent. If you support liberal policies, fine. If you don't give a shit about the constitution (which of course does not apply to you) fine. But be consistent with it.

If Obama decides to fucking grant nearly 5 million people citizenship in the United States, that is blatantly illegal. That is unconstitutional. The executive power enforces laws. It does not create laws. That is the job of the Legislature.

So again, if you give a shit about the constitution, fine, but be fucking consistent with it.

CrownRoyal
Member
Wed Nov 19 14:30:13
"No, I want you to be ideologically consistent and not a partisan hack."

I am offering to behave exactly like you. Your bipartisan, unbiased credentials, at least in your own head, consist entirely of "I'm pretty sure I've made fun of McCain "
CrownRoyal
Member
Wed Nov 19 14:31:41
"If Obama decides to fucking grant nearly 5 million people citizenship in the United States, that is blatantly illegal. That is unconstitutional. The executive power enforces laws. It does not create laws. That is the job of the Legislature. "

What law would obama create?
obaminated
Member
Wed Nov 19 14:46:10
If you, or anyone else on this forum, has any proof or evidence that I will ignore a GOP member purely because they are republican then please provide, otherwise shut the fuck up.
CrownRoyal
Member
Wed Nov 19 14:48:18
When did I ever claim that? I can't vouch for others, but I consider you the most balanced, unbiased, consistent, non-hypocritical mexican in UP. My man!
CrownRoyal
Member
Wed Nov 19 14:48:47
mexican-american, I mean.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Nov 19 14:52:05
mt is as fair and balanced as Fox News... which he probably would agree with
obaminated
Member
Wed Nov 19 14:52:53
Again, if you can prove any of your claims, show evidence. Otherwise make like Hood and get the hell out of here.
CrownRoyal
Member
Wed Nov 19 14:53:55
He is praising you, mt. What claims? He called you fair and balanced
hood
Member
Wed Nov 19 14:55:31
Little tidbit. I have never voted Democrat in my life. I have never supported a democratic candidate in my life.

Dunno how I can be a "partisan hack" here. Being politically "liberal" does not equate to being a democrat.

But since you're hellbent on slandering me, I'm going to require proof that I have been anything remotely like a partisan hack. Please find evidence of me vocally supporting democrats. One note: saying "you're stupid, drop this ridiculous bullshit" when that shit is aimed at a democrat is not the same as supporting one.

Meanwhile, mt has continued his support of the GoP over Benghazi despite having to run the fuck away from an argument because literally everything he said was proven wrong with plainly stated facts in the timeline. But I'm the hack!?
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Nov 19 18:51:33

A sane person has got to love how you people will trash a thread that you do not agree with, otherwise he would go insane.

hood
Member
Thu Nov 20 07:59:57
Remember the last time mt didn't run away from an argument he got utterly destroyed on?

Me either.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 20 10:09:48
enjoy your last day of America
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Nov 20 10:37:01

I am flabbergasted.

Is tumbleweed being critical of Obama?

Will wonders ever cease?

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 20 16:26:09
Obama advisor on CNN said welfare and other benefits won't apply to whatever the dirty mexicans are getting tonight, so apparently it's not citizenship as mt was worried about

they even have a countdown clock til the Obama speech (America ends in 2:34:34...33...32..31...)
pillz
Member
Thu Nov 20 16:46:35
2nd class citizenship

first the mexicans

then the blacks

then the poor

then the middle class
Hood
Member
Thu Nov 20 16:50:12
"2nd class citizenship"

Er. If that is indeed the general idea of his proposal I will gladly welcome interim president Biden.

Kicking them out isn't feasible or reasonable, but literal classes of citizens is unacceptable.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 20 17:17:57
it would be helpful though

the idea that everyone who works hard will get rich is kind of silly

a peasant class is necessary in our system
pillz
Member
Thu Nov 20 17:22:54
You're 2/3 of the way there I'd say.
obaminated
Member
Thu Nov 20 18:16:41
Closer to 3/5ths.
obaminated
Member
Thu Nov 20 18:17:51
And holy shit he is really making us a class system. What the actual fuck. I mean fuck, I don't want them here but you can't treat them as sub-americans. That is so fucking dangerous of a precedent to set.
Fred Felcher
Member
Thu Nov 20 18:39:31
Funny how Reagan and GHW Bush did the exact same fucking thing that Obama is doing and not ONE fucking republican even batted an eye. Now the cocksuckers are threatening impeachment and shutting down the government. I have never seen a bigger batch of obstructionist, cry-baby, foot-stamping, cocksucking (literally) republicans in my entire life.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 20 18:45:11
well, it's in... Obama is allowing Mexicans to sell themselves for sexual favors and as long as they give him the money he will protect them from deportation and see to their needs
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 20 19:11:32
i was pretty close

the long term non-criminal illegals can pay taxes to avoid deportation

not sure they will find it worth it since they avoid deportation pretty well as is
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 20 19:18:03
didn't seem too shocking, so i'll turn on Fox News to see why it is
obaminated
Member
Thu Nov 20 19:25:49
Pretty sure bush faced a gop revolt when he tried to pass amnesty in 06, you stupid fucking truck driver
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 20 19:32:48
did you watch the speech? seems like an America destroying announcement would be worth watching


here's the 'amnesty' part:

"If you've been in America for more than five years; if you have children who are American citizens or legal residents; if you register, pass a criminal background check, and you're willing to pay your fair share of taxes - you'll be able to apply to stay in this country temporarily, without fear of deportation,"

Fred Felcher
Member
Thu Nov 20 19:35:36
"Pretty sure bush faced a gop revolt when he tried to pass amnesty in 06, you stupid fucking truck driver "

Nearly three decades ago, there was barely a peep when Reagan and Bush used their authority to extend amnesty to the spouses and minor children of immigrants covered by the 1986 law.

http://abc...ted-shield-immigrants-26938527

GG my friend with the moistened back.
obaminated
Member
Thu Nov 20 19:38:34
It's almost like people have realized that passing amnesty doesn't solve the problem... you are so insanely blind.
obaminated
Member
Thu Nov 20 19:39:45
I love that people don't mind when a liberal president rules by fiat.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 20 19:40:59
Obama's response to you: pass a bill
obaminated
Member
Thu Nov 20 19:45:04
How many bills have been sitting on reids desk again? Let's see.. gop finally win both senate and house and thus have votes and ability to pass an immigration bill which would make its way to obama.... a a Aaaaand Obama passes an EO before the new senate enters office.

Lol, fuck this is terrible.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 20 19:47:47
nothing stopping them from passing a bill going forward

also please explain how this order harms anything... and how the republicans in congress are not going to allow these 5 million to stay anyway
pillz
Member
Thu Nov 20 19:55:37
"the long term non-criminal illegals can pay taxes to avoid deportation "

So they can pay taxes and live there but they can't have any benefits of being citizens?
Fred Felcher
Member
Thu Nov 20 19:56:48
"How many bills have been sitting on reids desk again? "

You mean the immigration bill on BONER's desk that he won't bring to the floor for a vote because it will pass?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 20 19:57:39
yeah... not sure why its a big deal

if they've been here 5 years, seems they are pretty good at avoiding deportation already
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Nov 20 20:06:11

Fred - You mean the immigration bill on BONER's desk that he won't bring to the floor for a vote because it will pass?


Boehner did not bring it to the floor because he did not have the votes to pass it because the Tea Party would not vote for it.

Meanwhile Reid has almost 400 Bills he refused to bring to the floor for a vote including at least 30 jobs Bills.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 20 20:10:48
Boehner wouldn't need the Tea Party... it was a Democrat bill that got 16? Republican votes in the Senate

68:32 in Senate... that's amazing in today's environment
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 20 20:22:36
unfortunately after the speech is/was O'Reilly, then Megyn Kelly, then Hannity on Fox

no chance of even semi-reasoned analysis :p
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 20 20:36:21
challenge to the executive action haters / Fox News

please explain what the Republican congress would have passed (and has no reason not to still pass) that would not have included these limited measures (and almost certainly gone well beyond them, as it's not a long term solution)
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Nov 20 21:15:58

What happened to his other 7 points.

The shithead lied again.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 20 21:31:40
the shithead meaning Fox News?

they are the ones that released a draft proposal not made by Obama as Obama's 10-point plan
obaminated
Member
Thu Nov 20 21:38:46
TW likes when his President does things without the legislature.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 20 21:44:45
just seemed there was an immense amount of hype over this, when it seems quite modest and does nothing that wasn't inevitable

there's no citizenship, no path to citizenship, deportation wasn't going to happen anyway... what exactly is the big deal
obaminated
Member
Thu Nov 20 21:49:33
The president is declaring he won't enforce the law, he is adding more incentive for people to come here illegally and to hold out until one party or another decides to cave?

You do realize the executive's job is to enforce existing laws, right?
obaminated
Member
Thu Nov 20 21:50:31
Oh, and you probably don't know this, I figured you would but you probably don't. Fred the trucker keeps referencing Reagan and GW as people who did the same thing. He is lying, naturally. Reagan and GW did this with congressional approval. Obama is doing it all on his own.

That also adds to why this is a big deal.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Nov 20 22:03:52

th- they are the ones that released a draft proposal not made by Obama as Obama's 10-point plan


It was leaked by The White House.

Either way, that is where the lie came from.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 20 22:04:29
prosecutorial discretion is within his powers

he's also not prosecuting marijuana crimes in Colorado and Washington
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 20 22:07:46
"It was leaked by The White House. "

it was obtained by Fox News by an anonymous source 'close to the White House', and even Fox News labeled it a _draft_ proposal... it certainly wasn't official by any means... and why the hell would the White House leak it just to Fox News

but who knows, maybe the written version will have 10 points, and Obama won't be a liar about this thing he didn't come close to lying about
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Nov 20 22:09:34

Where is his EO for Colorado and Washington"

tw, what he did tonight is Unconstitutional.

I told you guys last week why he did it. But, you can read it again in this thread if you like.

Wed Nov 19 12:19:54



tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 20 22:29:13
you think this is the sum total of what he hoped to get done on immigration reform?


the Obama hater on Fox News yesterday said he was doing it all to get more democratic voters... well they can't vote, so maybe she'll come back and apologize


also, how many of the 5 million or so applicable people are going to even want to have paperwork on them when this can be cancelled in 2 years... will be interesting to see
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Nov 20 22:39:15

"Fox News yesterday said he was doing it all to get more democratic voters..."


That's the gravy. When the repubs rescind this mess the Latinos will end up hating them.

If Obama had finished the fence as Congress wanted him to and after George had signed their Bill we wouldn't be having so many problems with immigration. But, Obama in his incompetence or his evilness screwed everything up.



Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Nov 20 22:47:34

So you see, Obama failed his oath of office from the beginning.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 20 22:54:51
not sure if you watched, but his first bullet point was more resources to border security (and noting crossings are way down)

trying to figure out how much fence is done is tricky, but since these affected people have been here 5+ years, not sure how the fence is all that relevant
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Nov 20 23:05:03

Yeah, he is going to hire more border guards at a further expense to the taxpayer.

And the crossing are way down because we ate heading into another vicious winter.


There were hundreds of thousands that crossed the border since Obama took office. Almost 75,000 kids this summer alone. It is estimated that there are between 12 and 20 million illegals in The United States at present.



tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 20 23:22:35
"Yeah, he is going to hire more border guards at a further expense to the taxpayer."

it's times like this when i really wished i knew if you were real :p... in any case, Rick Perry wants more 'boots the ground', and he's considered respectable by your people

or do you feel an inanimate fence that is impractical in many areas will prevent entry?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Nov 20 23:37:48
* 'boots ON the ground'
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Nov 20 23:42:44

"it's times like this when i really wished i knew if you were real :p..."


I'm assuming that you think the additional border guards would be an expense too. Well they would, but if you can remember that far back George signed a Bill to finish the fence and had set the money aside to pay for it.

Obama unilaterally said fuck the fence and spent the money on something else.



Those areas with gaps in the fence were not that many and could have been covered. I imagine some illegals could have gotten through, but not the hundreds of thousands that did get through.

zombie jesus
Member
Mon Mar 12 22:36:06
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