Utopia Talk / Politics / Game of Thrones:Mothers mercy

Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Sat Jun 13 18:31:11 Got marathon begins at 11am Centeral time Really hardly anything has happened yes there were some cool scenes but the plot has barely developed Sansa is tortured by some sick boyfriend/husband Jamie leaves King's landing to deal with "The Great Dornish Misunderstanding" Danny is only one dwarf closer to taking the Iron Throne. Gilly and Sam are practically married Stannis is a good and committed father until it snows and Ramsey burns his food and a horse. So he burns his daughter. Lady Brieene is still around apprently. Alright 60 mins of violence and nudity Stannis marches and begins siege of winterfell which should conclude by season 7. Dany is surrounded by strangers. Cersei seeks forgiveness for being a cunt. Jon is challenged and hopefully kills Ollie in opening credits with a valyrian potato!
Canadian Member	Sat Jun 13 20:45:08 Someone's gonna get nekkid! Vague enough to avoid spoilers.
CrownRoyal Member	Sat Jun 13 20:47:01 Spoiler!!! The winter is coming
Canadian Member	Sat Jun 13 23:02:12 How the fuck is that a spoiler, unless you've read the books? There's nudity in most episodes.
Rugian Member	Sat Jun 13 23:50:29 http://www...e87d:0x400ad50862bd500!6m1!1e1 What a lovely old Dubrovnik street! I hope nothing degrading happens on it tomorrow.
Forwyn Member	Sat Jun 13 23:53:43 If LSH doesn't appear I riot
Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Sun Jun 14 20:02:56 Holy shit they are showing uncle Benjen in the flashbacks?!?!!?
CrownRoyal Member	Sun Jun 14 20:08:17 Who gives a crap about stupid uncle Benjen? I never understood fascination with that character. Fuck Benjen
CrownRoyal Member	Sun Jun 14 20:14:13 Looks like the Lord of Light fucks Stannis over
Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Sun Jun 14 21:04:46 Stannis fucked himself over and Jon was more than challenged.
CrownRoyal Member	Sun Jun 14 21:07:00 Some really gratuitous nudity today
Rugian Member	Sun Jun 14 22:04:45 Ista quidem vis est! We're seriously running low on characters who've made it all the way from Season 1 at this point.
Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Sun Jun 14 22:40:16 Anyone know what the fuck happened to Arya? -Crownroyal Yes, male nudity should be banned. George R.R. Martin is a genius. Spoiler: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-9u6msqJNo
Asgard Member	Sun Jun 14 23:45:32 Haven't watched yet. Can't wait. Is it good as expected?
Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Sun Jun 14 23:46:18 Best episode evar!!!
Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Sun Jun 14 23:57:27 Only other preview I'll say is it's pretty obvious Tywinn Lannister is dead.
cthulhu Tentacle Rapist	Mon Jun 15 00:10:42 did he die from fucking your mom?
Canadian Member	Mon Jun 15 00:37:14 Rugian - that needed to happen. There's a reason Melisandre returned to Castle Black.
Rugian Member	Mon Jun 15 09:54:56 Canadian Member Mon Jun 15 00:37:14 Rugian - that needed to happen. There's a reason Melisandre returned to Castle Black. ---- Maybe. On the other hand, the writers appear to have no qualms about killing everyone who isn't Dany. Although if Jon does survive, it'll be fun to hear him say "Edd, fetch me fifteen blocks." Also, as much as the Starks get shit on for dropping like flies, House Baratheon actually managed to be the first to go completely extinct (at least with characters who have been in the show). Good night, sweet stag. Anyway, here's to Season 5. I heartily look forward to Season 6, where the Iron Bank's collapse after making a series of subprime loans to various Westerosi debtors throws Essos into a serious economic depression. Both the Free Cities of Braavos and Meereen are forced to default on their sovereign debt and end up declaring Chapter 9 bankruptcy. Meanwhile, Gendry has been rowing so long that he's discovered the Americas. Should be fun for everyone.
Canadian Member	Mon Jun 15 10:53:58 Everything is going according to the books, save that they're a little behind on Arya's story, and got a little ahead on Stannis' (in the books they're still marching on Winterfell). @Rugian: two words - Azor Ahai. Google it if you want an explanation - too many spoilers to post here.
Still Well Member	Mon Jun 15 18:48:36 D&D and Kit both claim that Jon Snow is really dead and isn't coming back. Has to be bullshit though.
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Jun 15 18:58:02 Fwiw, they claim he is not coming back NEXT season. Nothing after that.
Canadian Member	Mon Jun 15 22:33:27 Lots of spoilers out there for those that want to read up - but no way the fat man is finishing what he has. At least three more books, and at the pace he's writing, his heart will give out way before then. Also, WTF is with Lena Headey? Well put together overall, but she's got the boobs of someone a decade older.
Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Mon Jun 15 23:23:57 She has a no nudity clause on her contract and a shit load of tats. They use a body double for the nude shots and digitally put her head.
Forwyn Member	Mon Jun 15 23:29:09 Yeah, watching Lena in 300, she's like an A cup. I know having kids adds some size, but hot damn that double was a C/D
Still Well Member	Tue Jun 16 08:49:05 Lena was pregnant at the time of shooting, also has tatoos all over her body. That was for sure a body double.
Rugian Member	Tue Jun 16 09:06:35 Forwyn Member Mon Jun 15 23:29:09 Yeah, watching Lena in 300, she's like an A cup. ---- I find it hilarious that we're at the point where 300 has more realistic visuals than GoT. Also, funny how Lena seems to get pregnant every time HBO wants her character to do a nude scene. Looks like someone's parents expressed their disapproval after watching 300.
Billah Member	Wed Jun 17 01:41:22 So did the Nights Watch stab Jon Snow yet???
arab Member	Wed Jun 17 02:22:03 http://imgur.com/gallery/rf7Wjni
McKobb Member	Wed Jun 17 04:49:25 Fails the Light!
Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Fri Jun 19 10:34:35 Ok my theory is that Melissandra saw something like this in the vision http://i.k...fLes--/1298345462530819755.gif She just assumed that the winning side with the calvary was Stannis. Once the calvary mercs left with all the horses she realized it was Stannis on the losing side. Her vision was correct she just picked the wrong side.
MrPresident07 Member	Fri Jun 19 10:52:40 Jon becomes a White Walker. Her and Dany face off at the end with their respective dragons. "Ice and Fire".
Rugian Member	Fri Jun 19 11:30:17 Stannis is a good hundred yards away from the tree line. How the fuck did he get into the woods again? Oh well, I guess D&D realized that'd we'd rather see more of Dorne and its great one-liners like "you need a bad pussy" than awesome combat footage.
Canadian Member	Fri Jun 19 11:46:30 Fat man needs to hurry up and finish the damn books.
Forwyn Member	Fri Jun 19 11:53:13 It DOES show some pretty horrible military strategy to allow even the vanguard of an outflanked, outnumbered enemy to retreat to cover.
Canadian Member	Fri Jun 19 12:53:03 Forwyn: Ramsay is known for his sadism, not his strategy.
Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Fri Jun 19 13:12:08 Actually Ramsay is pretty damn good strategist. One could say he made Stannis burn his own daughter by destroying the food supplies.
Canadian Member	Fri Jun 19 13:55:52 "Actually Ramsay is pretty damn good strategist. One could say he made Stannis burn his own daughter by destroying the food supplies." - Erm, no. His burning Stannis' supplies was designed to force Stannis back to Castle Black for the winter. Also, not in the books at all.
Forwyn Member	Fri Jun 19 16:11:03 Well, much better than sitting around waiting for a superior army to surround you in your keep, like his daddy wanted
OsamaIsDaWorstPresid Member	Sat Jun 20 03:35:44 "Also, funny how Lena seems to get pregnant every time HBO wants her character to do a nude scene" she ditches da condems every time we r suposed 2 c her pussie bcos she thinkes shes 2 gud 2 show it 2 us
Canadian Member	Sat Jun 20 14:59:05 "Well, much better than sitting around waiting for a superior army to surround you in your keep, like his daddy wanted" - Roose was smart in three ways: 1) Winterfell is a fucking castle. You can't just walk up to it and take it. Notice how many siege engines/towers/ladders Stannis had? I didn't. 2) Winter is coming - Stannis can't perform a long siege as his soldiers would freeze to death. 3) Stannis' host was tiny by the end in the show, the books are far different.
Forwyn Member	Sat Jun 20 15:02:04 He had a huge forest. He had plenty of tents. He had like triple that number, and plenty of cavalry. He had everything he needed for a siege, and lost it because of Ramsay and Sir Twenty, of House Goodmen.
Forwyn Member	Sat Jun 20 15:02:19 tents and food*
Rugian Member	Sun Jun 21 07:38:01 Ramsay did the smart thing. Roose was looking at Stannis from a purely military standpoint only - Winterfell could withstand a siege if Stannis tried one. Ramsay, on the other hand, was looking at the bigger picture. A siege represents weakness, and as long as it lasted the Boltons' effective rule wouldn't extend anywhere outside the castle walls. It would mean that as long as you are holed up, you are getting no tax receipts, you have no ability to exert your authority over the rest of the North, and if a rebellion breaks out elsewhere, you have no way to quell it. Roose himself has gone on all season about how precarious the Boltons' rule of the North is. To be stuck in Winterfell for several months and let the Northern lords do whatever they want in the interim would have been a potentially fatal move. If Stannis gained a victory or two along the way, the Northern lords may have even flocked to him against the Boltons - just as many of them did in the books. Winterfell could have survived a siege, yes. But Roose doesn't want to rule Winterfell, he wants to rule the North. A prolonged siege would have potentially destroyed that rule. By taking a calculated risk, Ramsay made sure that the serious military threat represented by Stannis didn't turn into an existential threat to the Boltons. He's a goddamn genius.
Canadian Member	Sun Jun 21 11:33:25 @Forwyn: look at the final battle image below for their respective hosts. http://img.../5x10_Battle_of_Winterfell.png I count 500-1000 mounted soldiers on the Bolton's side. Stannis' count (including those that have broken and ran going off the right side of the picture) are approximately 500-750 - all foot soldiers). Given the counts of the soldiers that deserted on the way (500 men of the Stormcrows, and "half their remaining forces" after Stannis burns Shireen - given to be approximately 500-750 "along with all the horses" - we can safely assume no more than 500-750 horses, as Stannis' forces were not wholly mounted, and the blizzard/Ramsay's raid killed a fair number). From this, Stannis' forces that left the wall should number no more than 2000, and of those, no more than 750 mounted. Bolton's estimated forces are 2000 foot, and 500-1000 cavalry (though slightly less, as he has sent forces elsewhere in the North which isn't mentioned in the TV show). Even without the desertions, Stannis didn't have the men to take Winterfell (had fewer men than the garrison), and was fucked regardless. @Rugian: good argument re: Ramsay's raid, far more convincing.
Forwyn Member	Sun Jun 21 12:36:56 http://i.ytimg.com/vi/9tiYDLLe4Co/maxresdefault.jpg I see 4 distinct sections(assuming the one in front is the same size), each block in a section is 12*16 = 192, *3 = 576, *4 = 2304. Since he had an equivalent army attacking from the South end, we're looking at roughly 4500 mounted troops, and less than 100 dead before Mance surrendered. http://betterthings2do.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/cavs.png?w=665 Yep, looks like the front block is the same size
Rugian Member	Sun Jun 21 13:35:17 I rule. Regarding army sizes, there are people far more autistic than us at counting that shit: http://i.imgur.com/QSBvfTg.jpg?1
Canadian Member	Sun Jun 21 17:24:54 ^Jesus, and I thought TC didn't have a life.
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