Utopia Talk / Politics / Game of Thrones:Dragonstone

Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Sun Jul 16 08:55:12 Jon organizes defense of the Norph. Cersei tries to even the odds. Dany comes home. In 59 mins of not enough nudity and mild violence. How will Cersai explain the Holy Sept incident and Tommen's accident? A)newly discoverd volcano b)Crazy nun c)The High Sparrow himself (He did hate the Holy Sept) d)OBAMA e)The writers will laazily gloss overthis event Will Tormund finally rape Brinne? Will the Hound finally admit to hiring catspaw to kill Bran? Will Arya explain how a mask can make you taller and boobs bigger?
yankeessuck123 Member	Sun Jul 16 09:12:46 Thanks for reminding me to avoid UP tomorrow morning. GoT airs at 3am which I'm not staying up for. Download the episode in the morning, go to work, avoid all social media and UP and really the whole internet tbh to dodge spoilers, come back after and watch immediately.
Forwyn Member	Sun Jul 16 10:42:16 Final trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojubI-sYwho
obaminated Member	Sun Jul 16 13:33:06 The show doesn't need to address cersie blowing everyone up. She killed anyone in Kings Landing who could oppose her. She has an army and her lover brother is the commander of it. He may blame her for Tommens suicide but he has repeatedly stated that the only person who matters to him in the world is Cersie. So I don't think he is gonna oppose her.
Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Sun Jul 16 14:22:04 You can't just kill a shit load of people (a few of them important) and destroy the second most important building in the city and be like "I'm in charge not important". At least blame it on her enemies. Notice how Jamie is the only one still wearing the old Lannister armor and not the new Queen Gothic armor.
Paramount Member	Sun Jul 16 14:29:40 Maybe season 7 will start with Jamie and Cersie making another baby.
Pillz Member	Sun Jul 16 14:41:20 Jamie will betray Cersie. It's the only 100% certain thing. 1) Jamie had that moment with what's her name before she died 2) Jamie's last child killed himself because Cersie used wildfire to blow up hundreds of people 3) Jamie does not like wildfire or monarchs who blow up the city... 4) Jamie actually does have some connection emotionally to people in the Stark camp where they are not all murdering family members (two sons and a father at least dead by Lannister doing/hands) It'll stack and result in him betraying her.
Forwyn Member	Sun Jul 16 15:03:58 Jamie will kill Cersei in the Second Battle of the Blackwater, being born again as Azor Ahai amidst salt and smoke.
Renzo Marquez Member	Sun Jul 16 15:17:19 Pillz Member Sun Jul 16 14:41:20 "Jamie will betray Cersie. It's the only 100% certain thing." 5) valonqar
Renzo Marquez Member	Sun Jul 16 15:34:31 Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ Sun Jul 16 14:22:04 "You can't just kill a shit load of people (a few of them important) and destroy the second most important building in the city and be like "I'm in charge not important". At least blame it on her enemies." Russians did Baelor's Sept.
obaminated Member	Sun Jul 16 18:05:22 It isn't some post enlightenment era legal system. Might makes right in the feudal system. Cersie is queen of the iron throne by right of conquest/murder. But She really isn't queen of much. The reach and Dorne are aligned with Dany. North and Vale are sworn to Jon. Iron islands are in rebellion (?). All she has are the esterlands and riverlands, neither region has the will or strength to unseat her.
obaminated Member	Sun Jul 16 18:06:34 The only way Cersie isn't killed by Dany in episode 2 is if Euron Greyjoy aligns with her, offers her his big cock and defeats Yaras fleet. Otherwise it'll be a very one sided war.
obaminated Member	Sun Jul 16 18:08:09 At least as far as the show goes. I think in real life, dragons would probably be a relatively simple thing to kill. Just build a hundred or so ballistas and have them all fire in the relative same direction of a dragon and you'll kill it.
Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Sun Jul 16 18:08:51 Kinslaying (lancel and Kevan) is still frown upon.
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Jul 16 18:16:36 I haven't seen the trailers for season 7, but I'm still thinking Daenerys' fleet will face a wildfire trap like in the Battle of the Blackwater, Euron Greyjoy will sweep in and clean up, and Daenerys will end up on Dragonstone where she can equip Jon's army with dragon glass. I'm looking forward to being completely wrong. :p
obaminated Member	Sun Jul 16 18:35:44 Recall Jaime killed his cousin to escape from imprisonment. And Tyrion killed their dad and Jaime doesn't seem to particularly hate his brother for it. I don't think that taboo really bothers Jaime, especially since Lancel was a full blown traitor and Kevan was also seemingly against both of them.
Cherub Cow Member	Sun Jul 16 19:57:54 "Jaime doesn't seem to particularly hate his brother for it." Not too sure about that. [Bronn]: "If you ever see [Tyrion], give him my regards." [Jaime]: "[Tyrion] murdered my father. If I ever see him, I'll split him in two, and then I'll give him your regards." http://youtu.be/0nuNKEhuIlY?t=2m3s Jaime doesn't outright hate Tyrion, but he's at least ambivalent. When he said that he might have just be trying to convince himself to fight for Cersei's affections though, in which case a good scene would be to have Cersei and Tyrion in the same room with Jaime, forcing Jaime to decide between them.. I think this theory came up in the UP threads for the season 6 closing episodes. Seems familiar..
obaminated Member	Sun Jul 16 21:31:01 Well, in this episode they discuss Tyrion and it's certainly clear that Jaime isn't really boiling with anger at Tyrion. Jaime actually seemed pretty accepting of the fact that there really wasn't much they could do to win, until euron showed up. Overall a pretty good start to the season.
obaminated Member	Sun Jul 16 21:31:11 Also, undead giants.
State Department Member	Sun Jul 16 21:35:06 Nice to see Samwell living the dream.
chen Member	Sun Jul 16 21:37:18 The touch with the Lannister men singing the singer's stew song made this episode great. I hope that encounter softens Arya's character a little bit because she was clearly thinking of killing all of them.
obaminated Member	Mon Jul 17 00:13:36 I really hope she doesn't break guest right and turn up in Kings Landing as one of them. That's definitely doom her. And boy does gilly clean up good.
obaminated Member	Mon Jul 17 00:15:40 And I really hope lady mormont doesn't get kidnapped and gangraped by euron.
Aeros Member	Mon Jul 17 00:43:26 I thought Aryas meeting with the Lannister soldiers was the best scene. Its clear she intended to kill them all. But then they alsoo started to talk about their families, the shitty war and so on. She may just kill them anyway. Outcome of that meeting will really set the tone for her story arc.
smart dude Member	Mon Jul 17 04:03:46 That scene was ruined by that faggot Ed Sheeran. Least subtle celebrity cameo I've ever seen. Shameless and distracting. GG.
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Jul 17 05:42:39 [smart dude]: "That scene was ruined by that faggot Ed Sheeran. Least subtle celebrity cameo I've ever seen. Shameless and distracting. GG." Distracting for *you* anyways :p ... I didn't even know who he was during that scene. I just looked him up on Wiki and I still don't know who he is :p .. another random pop singer? (I get that it would have been annoying to know who he is, though — cameos like that can be bad moves by the producers) .. No one has mentioned Ser Jorah yet! Since he was locked up in the citadel I guess this means that Samwise Gamgee will have to befriend him and cure him? Maybe that will let Samwise facilitate Jon and Danny's relationship. Not sure that I like Euron's new goth-sailor look. Not *everyone* needs a new wardrobe for a new season ;) Also looked like they showed Tyrion's old Valyrian steel dagger in Sam's book. It may be just an Easter egg, but it could be a reminder that it's out there.
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Jul 17 08:13:52 This is what I thought. Dragonstone looked fairly depressing when stannis was there, suddenly transformed into a fairytale castle when daeneris was approaching.
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Jul 17 08:25:30 And although not a huge deal, why do they even bother with celebrity appearances? Ed Shiran was horribly wooden, why was he even there. It is not like they need advertising and hope to capitalize on getting Ed's young fans, the show is as popular as anything ever put on tv. The only explanation I see is that Ed is friends with the either showrunner and this was seen as a cool thing. But it backfired
obaminated Member	Mon Jul 17 09:39:46 He isn't even the core of the scene. Fags just love to complain. It's annoying. I agree about dragonstone though. They totally reshaped it.
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Jul 17 10:09:56 They should have castes your sister, mt, as the sloppy town whore from the south. She'd be better than ed sheeran, no offence
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Jul 17 10:11:28 *casted
Paramount Member	Mon Jul 17 10:51:32 So winter came for House Frey. Daaayum. Arya Stark is bad ass. I love that girl. She is sooo cute!!
obaminated Member	Mon Jul 17 10:57:58 It is cast* and it's hard not to be offended when you call my sister a suitable woman to play a sloppy town whore. And yes, arya is pretty cute. Feels dirty to say that as we have literally seen her grow up.
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Jul 17 11:05:48 House Frey has always had one destiny, and it was to be totally wiped out. Their crime was to horrible, they didn't have any storyline significance to be spared and they were unattractive, ugly people
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Jul 17 11:07:57 "It is cast* " You can use both. " it's hard not to be offended when you call my sister a suitable woman to play a sloppy town whore. " First of all I said she'd be superior to ed sheeran, so it was almost a compliment. And second, I said "no offence", so stfu
obaminated Member	Mon Jul 17 11:17:03 Did you really find his casting distracting? I thought they underplayed him if anything. If he comes back for another episode (as in arya is wearing his face to kill Cersie) I'll probably get annoyed. But as it was done I thought it was subtle.
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Jul 17 11:25:21 I found it completely unnecessary, yes. As to the magnitude of my annoyance, it was not huge, as I indicated by typing "not a huge deal". chócala!
obaminated Member	Mon Jul 17 11:26:33 Fags over on /r/asoiaf flipped their shit over it. I don't understand it.
smart dude Member	Mon Jul 17 11:30:38 Not a huge deal. Not enough to ruin the episode. But enough to detract from that particular scene. Imagine if it was Justin Bieber? Well, Ed Sheeran is the Justin Bieber of the U.K. So, yes, maybe you don't understand it. But it was a horribly distracting cameo that they rammed down your throat. The singing, plus the fact he was in almost every shot in that scene. You might not have noticed, but many people did and thought it sucked. Good for you. "underplayed" my ass.
smart dude Member	Mon Jul 17 11:36:14 obaminated = closet Sheeran fan. Isn't this the same faggot who loved 500 Days of Summer? I'm not surprised at all.
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Jul 17 11:36:55 When people type those backslashes, is this for Reddit?
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Jul 17 11:37:28 Slashes
obaminated Member	Mon Jul 17 11:49:33 Yes it's for Reddit. And I like how me stating that the ed shirreen cameo evolved into me being a fag. Never change up.
obaminated Member	Mon Jul 17 11:49:59 That the cameo didn't bother me*
Aeros Member	Mon Jul 17 11:56:54 I don't even know who Ed Sheeran is.
Paramount Member	Mon Jul 17 13:07:02 Edward Christopher "Ed" Sheeran, MBE (born 17 February 1991)[5] is an English singer-songwriter, guitarist and record producer. In the US, he made a guest appearance on Taylor Swift's fourth studio album, Red. Taylor Swift contacted Sheeran after hearing his music while touring Australia in March 2012.[66] He later co-wrote and provided vocals for "Everything Has Changed", a single featured on Swift's fourth studio album, Red. In July 2017, Sheeran appeared in a longer cameo on Game of Thrones in a scene together with actor Maisie Williams, who plays the character Arya Stark. David Benioff explained that since Williams was a big fan of the singer, they wanted to have Sheeran appear on the show to surprise Williams, and that they had tried to get him on for years. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Sheeran
Paramount Member	Mon Jul 17 13:08:28 So they did it for Arya. It would be cool if Arya killed him.
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Jul 17 13:27:49 "It would be cool if Arya killed him." That would still annoy me, it would have the same feeling, a celebrity hired for "fun". Now, if Ed Sheeran kills Arya, ok, then I can at least admire the showrunners who went all in on sheeran.
Paramount Member	Mon Jul 17 14:06:45 Maybe she will get gang raped by them. These soldiers seemed to be way too friendly. It must be a trick. It's very likely that Arya walked into a trap there.
CrownRoyal Member	Mon Jul 17 14:10:38 It would be a remarkable turn of events if the showrunners cast Ed Sheeran in a role where he rapes an underage girl, and Ed Sheeran agrees. The backlash would be something to behold
State Department Member	Mon Jul 17 14:32:39 They could have at least changed his stupid Bieber-hair.
obaminated Member	Mon Jul 17 14:34:48 Mountme, used to speaking to women who have been gang banged by horny Muslim men, automatically assumes any woman in proximity to men must get raped. That's honestly sad. You are a very pathetic and weak man.
Paramount Member	Mon Jul 17 15:43:46 I'm only speculating based on what we have already seen in this show. Women has been raped and killed, people has been eaten by dogs, a child has been burned alive, a brother has sex with his sister. People has been tortured, people has been beheaded. Yet, this show is not made by Muslims, but by Americans.
Rugian Member	Mon Jul 17 16:28:30 "Now, if Ed Sheeran kills Arya, ok, then I can at least admire the showrunners who went all in on sheeran." D&D GoT ends with Ed Sheeran ascending the Iron Throne and singing "Everything Has Changed" while the entire realm boys before him.
Cherub Cow Member	Mon Jul 17 18:04:33 [smart dude]: "Imagine if it was Justin Bieber? Well, Ed Sheeran is the Justin Bieber of the U.K." That would probably ruin that scene for me, yes, though I would still hope that Bieber's character would be gored horribly in a future episode (maybe his tongue and lower jaw torn out so that he can't sing anymore? Forced to linger a little, pouring soup down his throat hole?). ;D
Renzo Marquez Member	Mon Jul 17 18:20:54 Euron had some good lines but the lack of Bronn was disappointing.
Cherub Cow Member	Wed Jul 19 03:12:31 This might be inconsequential.. but.. Usually when a house takes over a castle, the next episode will update that castle with the house's sigil in the opening credits. This episode was the first episode after Cersei's coronation, but King's Landing still had a Baratheon stag. I get that Cersei has risen up in *relation* to Baratheons, but at her coronation (S6-E10) she was called a Lannister only (not Baratheon), in S7-E1 she signed correspondence as a Lannister, and in the throne room there's a giant lion/Lannister sigil behind Cersei instead of the old seven-pointed star. I'm wondering if the producers forgot to update the sigil or if this was a kind of intentional snub of Cersei's attempt to rule as a Lannister.. (I.e., she wants the Lannister sigil over King's Landing but by law remains a Baratheon).
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