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Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat Nov 25 04:10:48 The women who after 30 years say the republicans molested them? The women who after 30 years say the democrats molested them?
Cold Rod Member	Sat Nov 25 05:16:38 The adult after 30 years say the Priest molested them?
Dukhat Member	Sat Nov 25 08:53:59 Just die already.
Paramount Member	Sat Nov 25 08:56:31 I feel like they should have come forward earlier. But there was a different time 30 years ago. So maybe it wasn’t possible or as easy back then. Regardless, the women has the right to their story and to tell it.
Paramount Member	Sat Nov 25 08:58:21 There is no reason why we shouldn’t belive women. Don’t molest a woman and you should be okay and have nothing to fear from them.
obaminated Member	Sat Nov 25 09:35:56 Making it a right or left thing is pretty dumb
patom Member	Sat Nov 25 09:51:18 I believe that women, children, or young men have been in situations where they feel powerless to defend themselves from sexual predators. Predators come in all shapes and forms. They gravitate to positions where they can wield power over their targeted victims. They ingratiate themselves in their communities and children feel that nobody will believe what has happened to them. This is in large part because of the parents. The parents by no equipping their children with the confidence that they will be believed before anyone. The parents because they have blind trust in certain people because they maybe family, trusted friend, religious figure, choir leader, scout leader, police officer, teacher, etc. Take Roy Moore for instance. Now here is a single assistant DA who had served his country and is a lawyer in a small southern town. I highly doubt if there was a mother of a daughter in that community at that time that wasn't flattered that a man like this was interested in their daughter. I'm thinking that the mothers were all agog over the attention their little girls were getting from what would be considered a good catch. Let's look at some of the young women in DC who have been the victims of the powerful elite. Many of them have just graduated college with degrees in political science. They have invested a large chunk of change into their education, plus the 4 years of time. They grew up idealistic for the most part, never dreaming that a Senator or Congressman would use their power to demand sex in order to keep their dream of being on the inside hoping to change the world. Or the young starlet with some talent but they find themselves in the clutches of a Harvey Weinstein who holds their career in his hands. Yep for the most part I believe these women who have had this bottled up inside them for decades and finally see the chance to bring these scum bags down from their high perches.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat Nov 25 10:34:00 "Making it a right or left thing is pretty dumb" Not really, that is exactly what is going on in the press today?
Paramount Member	Sat Nov 25 10:41:59 It is still pretty dumb because molesters exists in all areas. From left to right, white to black, and from farmers to the president.
delude Member	Sat Nov 25 10:57:22 "Not really, that is exactly what is going on in the press today? " No, your opinion shows are making it that way. There has been condemnation from all angles. Except from the opinion shows you watch, like Hannity, fox and friends, alex jones, rush Limbaugh.
obaminated Member	Sat Nov 25 11:11:20 Hollywood is definitely imploding and it aint political. Liberals are turning on liberals because its the right thing to do. Btw, tarantino is fucked.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Nov 25 11:28:54 we need a numerical scale Franken & Weinstein are light-years apart in actions
obaminated Member	Sat Nov 25 11:58:04 Once again, you are incorrectly assuming that someone who does what Franken did only does it once and never escalates. That is what they always do. Just because it hasnt come out yet doesnt mean you should declare they are light years apart. The first accounts on weinstein were about him making women watch him jack off onto plants.
delude Member	Sat Nov 25 12:03:57 When you have franken accusers, particularly one accepted his apology and thinks he shouldn't resign and is still a good senator and another one that is claiming that he squeezed her ass in a photo. Which is wrong no matter how you spin it, versus the actions of Weinstein; yes, there is a great scale of difference. The -only- thing that is the same is sexual assault is sexual assault. Or do you not believe there are varying degrees in criminal acts?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Nov 25 13:12:09 "It is still pretty dumb because molesters exists in all areas. From left to right, white to black, and from farmers to the president." Indeed, but the lulz factor is higher when a progressive/feminist/leftwinger rapes and molests women. It is sorta like that period when rightwing religious pastors and politicians where getting caught sucking dick, while condemning faggotry. Shock and awe.
Paramount Member	Sat Nov 25 13:30:17 Yeah, that is lulzy. I’m kinda shocked about Lars Ohly. Although I don’t know exactly what he is being accused of. But then, I’m shocked about the large amount of people who has been accused of sexual harassment and even rape here in Sweden in the wake of the metoo campaign. It’s like there is no end to it.
obaminated Member	Sat Nov 25 13:38:45 Delude, i am stating you shouldnt defend any of them because they are serial abusers. Franken has been famous since the 80s, his habit of groping women didnt happen in a bubble. There will be more women who come out. It is like the morons who defended spacey with "its an isolated incident 20 years ago". One does not start their career as sexual abusers by climbing on top of teenagers, you build to it.
obaminated Member	Sat Nov 25 13:39:04 And once you graduate to it, you never voluntarily stop
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sat Nov 25 14:27:33 Paramount. Metoo is a very Swedish phenomena. You should be very skeptical. Lars Ohly story sounds very fishy, really so does Virtanens. The police onvestigated him years ago and Cissi Wallin is a hyaterical rabid feminist who views this all as a ”war on women”. http://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPdzrjLXUAAhbJT.jpg This is what happens when you let hysterical women hijack your brain.
Mexicantardnado Member	Sat Nov 25 14:31:41 duuur I hate fraken librul so much duuuur; A Survivor’s Defense of Al Franken I feel exploited. And I feel sick. I’m sick of pedophiles. I’m sick of rapists. I’m sick of sexual violence and sexual predators. I am sick of being reminded moment after moment of the times — yes plural — that I have been shocked out of my body, stripped of my power and deprived of the right to defend my own body by a man sexually forcing himself onto me. More than that, I’m sick of my traumas and the traumas of other survivors being exploited for political gain and emotional satisfaction on both the left and the right. Physically. Sick. I am sick to know that I cannot protect myself or my daughter from the pussy grabbing woman hater that controls every single law and policy that guides this nation. I am sick to know that Roy Moore exists on this planet and that there are millions of people supportive of a known pedophile holding power over millions upon millions of women and girls in the state of Alabama and the United States. I am sick that a member of the Trump campaign and former state Senator in Oklahoma plead guilty to child trafficking. And I am sick that people like Leeanne Tweeden feel comfortable enough to take the traumas of the women and children that have been the true victims of sexual violence and used them for her own personal gains and the political goals of the Republican Party. Leeanne Tweeden is the woman that recently accused Al Franken of sexually violating her at a rehearsal for a USO comedy show in 2006. Her decision to take her story public after 10 years of “silence” has been framed by both the left and the right as a survivor’s act of bravery that demands immediate attention and strict consequences. I see Leeanne Tweeden’s actions quite differently. What Leeanne Tweeden has done is stolen the very real traumas of very real survivors — people like me — and mocked them. What she has done is taken our pain and our bravery and our strength and exploited it on behalf of a network of people that actively prey on the women and children she is pretending to show solidarity with. What she is doing is vile and it is disgusting and it is dangerous on every personal and political level associated with sexual assault in the United States. Perhaps if she was, in fact, a survivor of sexual assault she would understand the damage that is being caused by her actions. But she is not a survivor. And she is definitely not a victim of Al Franken. Leeanne was never raped. She was never assaulted. And she was never the victim of sexual violence or harassment. She was a willing and active participant in a comedy show that involved sexualized behaviors. She consented to participating. She actively engaged in and invited similar behaviors with other performers other than Al Franken at the event. As recently and clearly described by journalist S. Novi: “Both SNL and USO stage skits are well-known to be over the top when it comes to topics such as sex, but the USO performances are even more so due to the audience of mostly military males. Since the days of Bob Hope, there have always been beautiful bombshell women showing up in scanty outfits and sexual dialogue running from innuendos to outright blatant views. If you are either a male or female performing in these shows you are expected to play along. …. there are a number of images as well as videos appearing that show that Tweeden didn’t seem to have a problem with sexual performances on stage including that of her grabbing the butt of a Country and Western performer and rubbing her behind up against him and the singer grabbing at her butt. Additional videos of the tour have included a very sexual performance with the comedian Robin Williams as well as the real on-stage ‘kiss’ with Franken. In this case, we have a woman that signed up for known sexually oriented skits and performances that she approved of, and rehearsed, and then performed many of them onstage in both a preplanned and ad hoc way.” Leanne Tweeden was a consenting and contracted performer for the USO then, just as she is a contracted performer for the right wing now. She was not then and is not now a survivor. She was not then and is not now a victim of Al Franken. Al Franken’s tasteless joke didn’t make her fear for her life. It didn’t make her burn the clothes she was wearing that night. It didn’t make her scrub herself clean in the shower until her skin tore off. This joke didn’t keep her up shaking and puking and sobbing on the floor of a shower as she bled down a drainpipe. It didn’t send her to the clinic for STD tests. Al Franken’s joke didn’t crush her notion of who she was or how she could walk in this world. This joke didn’t give her PTSD or depression or any of the lasting forms of struggle that true rape and assault victims must face minute by minute. It hasn’t informed every relationship she’s had since. And it wasn’t in any way what so ever a form of rape, assault or even harassment. Leeanne Tweeden was not then and is not now a victim. A very large part of me wishes she had been, though. As a survivor and active member in the struggle to protect and progress civil rights in the United States, I have a track-record of confronting both the Democratic and the Republican party for abuses. If Tweeden was a victim of a violent and predatory Al Franken, I would have stood right by her side and called for an investigation of the Senator and his immediate removal from office. I would have gladly lumped his name into a category with Roy Moore and Donald Trump and Roger Ailes and Henry Weinstein. I would have written an article about how we can’t entrust or bodies to legislators that will assault our women and children and legally enable the predators to get away with similar crimes no matter what side of the aisle we come from. She is not a victim. She is not an ally. And she is not a survivor. Those words have meaning. Those words hold weight. And she has not earned her right to wear those badges. What Tweeden is, is a willing participant in a new skit in which the Republican Party uses her completely normal interaction with Al Franken as an excuse to accuse a Democratic Senator of sexual assault, deflect from the charges of rape and pedophilia in the highest ranks of their own party, and test drive a strategy by which they can gain increasing amounts of power by exploiting the sexual traumas of women and children. And their plan is working. Almost inexplicably. Politics isn’t a game of morality. Clearly. Wins and losses are accomplished on the basis of strategy. And right now, the Democratic Party is letting a pussy grabbing steak salesman and a bigoted gun toting pedophile out-strategize them with some of the most remedial and ridiculous strategies in the book: deflection. For example, these lines of argument may sound familiar: It’s the left that is racially dividing the country, not the alt-right. It’s the Clinton’s relationship with Russia that is suspicious, not Trump’s. It is the left that has destroyed healthcare, not the GOP. The Democrats are the Party of the KKK, not the Republicans. That’s because one of the most common rhetorical strategies employed by the Republican Party is to deflect an accusation by turning the charges on them around to the accuser. And as common and predictable as this strategy is — the Democrats still haven’t come up with a consistent method to counter it. Just as in any game of competition, and especially political competition, one side can only succeed if the other side fails to stop them. And fail is exactly what the Democrats are doing. Failing. Rather than taking a stand against the exploitation of sexual assault survivors, they are allowing the Republican Party to use our trauma as a cover to advance their own political agendas. Worse, they have taken the political bait hook, line, and sinker and rather than launching a full-scale counterattack on the GOP, they have turned on themselves and started calling for the resignation of a member of their own party. Rather than focusing on accusations against Donald Trump, Roy Moore or Ralph Shortey — the attention is turned onto Minnesota Senator Al Franken. Not only do the Republicans succeed in turning the attention away from themselves, but they succeed in turning the Democrats against each other. And the final narrative becomes: It’s not the Republican Party supporting pussy grabbers and pedophilia. It’s the Democrats! The Democratic Party is practically handing the nation’s women and children over to pedophiles and rapists simply because they asked them to. And if we let Senators like Al Franken — representatives that have voting records filled with support for women’s rights — fall to pedophiles like Roy Moore, then we are allowing the real traumas of exploited women be used as an excuse to put more women and girls in harm’s way. This is what terrifies me most. One of the key functions of the Democratic Party is supposed to be to protect its constituents and the nation from attacks by the Republican Party. They are supposed to have an exhaustive list of narratives strong enough to counter the most complex of political accusations, in addition to this predictable, rookie-level attempt to lump Al Franken into the same category as Roy Moore. They are supposed to have the media and legal prowess attuned enough to protect both the leaders and the members of the Democratic party from these predictable but incredibly dangerous attacks. The Democratic Party is supposed to ensure that a pussy grabber and a party of pedophiles don’t get to control how we talk about sexual violence let alone what we do about it. And they have failed to execute their duties. In fact, they’re carrying out the agenda of the Republican Party for them. The Democrats and members of the left have called for the removal of Senator Franken and an investigation into Tweeden’s right wing backed accusations. They have failed to protect true victims of sexual assault from Republican exploitation. They refused to counter the narrative that Al Franken’s completely legally, nonviolent and consensual interactions with Leeanne Tweeden should be equated with sexual harassment, assault and pedophilia. And they have all but totally succumb to calls for the investigation and removal of Al Franken. It clearly cannot be denied that sexual violence exists on both sides of the political aisle, but it is the Republican Party that has perfected the technique of weaponizing and exploiting these traumas for their own personal gain. It also cannot be denied that the Republican Party is on the offense when it comes to applying this repugnant tactic. If the Democrats can’t figure out how to counter this most obvious and basic strategy to use sexual assault as a front to advance their political agendas and damage the Democratic Party, then this strategy is likely to destroy the standing of more than just Al Franken. There is no shortage of Tweedens standing in line to gain 5 minutes of fame and a right-wing paycheck to be used as a grenade to blow up the next Democratic target. And there is no shortage of targets. If the Democratic party continues to let the Republican Party beat them with the most obvious and low hanging strategies, what hope do we have that they can counter any of the more complex attacks on this nation and the people in it? If the Democratic Party keeps allowing the Republican Party to blur the lines between sexual violence and sexualized behavior, they are putting more women and children in the hands of unthinkably powerful predators — and they are paving the path for the destruction of the entire Democratic Party at their violent and perverse hands. To learn more about Dr. GS Potter and the Strategic Institute for Intersectional Policy (SIIP), visit: http://strategycampsite.org/v2/
jergul large member	Sat Nov 25 14:42:25 Yah, that last article is sort of what I thought.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sat Nov 25 14:46:21 grabbing ass was a flirting technique... you get slapped, it failed
obaminated Member	Sat Nov 25 15:03:09 Lol, fucking idiot.
Dukhat Member	Sat Nov 25 15:08:41 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJidGI-NMd0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKERuf_hwLw Anyone in the army knows that kind of inappropriate sexual innuendo happens all the time. It's a total boy's club. It's a hatchet job by the GOP in order to create a false equivalency between Al Franken and Roy Moore and Franken owned it by admitting it and opening an investigation on himself. I think they may have saved the Alabama Senate seat. Religious nutters will vote for anyone as long as they say they will appoint pro-life justices. It's how Trump won.
Dukhat Member	Sat Nov 25 15:08:58 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJidGI-NMd0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKERuf_hwLw
Dukhat Member	Sat Nov 25 15:09:09 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKERuf_hwLw
obaminated Member	Sat Nov 25 15:10:43 "Anyone in the army knows.." Hey dumbass, did you serve in the army during your fantasy life?
obaminated Member	Sat Nov 25 15:11:07 Ya know, the life where you make 6 figures and own 20 million dollar yachts?
Dukhat Member	Sat Nov 25 15:12:23 lol, you have such a cartoon understanding of the world. Boundary-setting in different contexts is such a hilariously foreign concept to you even as it's a key life-skill for the educated. Sucks to be so dumb.
obaminated Member	Sat Nov 25 15:13:29 Lol, no one is talking about that dipshit. Im mocking your claims at success in your "real life".
obaminated Member	Sat Nov 25 15:14:54 The funniest bit is that you are so stupid and lost that you dont realize that posting phrases like "my real life is amazing" totally shows that you live in a fantasy.
obaminated Member	Sat Nov 25 15:16:59 You have become TC and its fucking hilarious.
obaminated Member	Sat Nov 25 15:17:50 I look forward to your unironic brag posts about the sandwich you just ate.
Average European Member	Sat Nov 25 16:31:54 I have the best life ever, that I can tell you. Believe me.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat Nov 25 18:04:13 The Best? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqfL2SpIkzM
Dukhat Member	Sat Nov 25 18:45:19 Obaminated fails so hard at life. He can't craft an argument with support and evidence so he tries to go ad hominem. Did your brain never leave high school? You think you can try to get all your dumb clique together and try and beat me up after school like you did to people you disliked back then? You're an imbecile and a thug. Deal with your jealousy in a more constructive way moron.
obaminated Member	Sat Nov 25 18:56:57 Im a thug? I beat people up in high school? You conclude this because i mock you false sense of bravado and your "awesome real life"? Sorry cuckhat, its easy and to point out your unmistakable fantasy of success.
obaminated Member	Sat Nov 25 18:57:09 Easy and fun*
obaminated Member	Sat Nov 25 19:01:26 Cuckhat, how often were you thrown into a dumpster while you attended high school?
delude Member	Sat Nov 25 20:15:27 That article is hilarious and I have to admit, part of me thought that especially since she was part of the USO show and the antics and skits would be pretty adult orientated in nature. And did take some of the spotlight from others.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat Nov 25 21:38:44 Dukhat, It's different when it is a part of the act.
delude Member	Sun Nov 26 03:04:55 I know you're not addressing me...but, pedophile, you are entirely missing the point.
Paramount Member	Sun Nov 26 03:27:40 Nimatzo, "Paramount. Metoo is a very Swedish phenomena. You should be very skeptical. [...] http://pbs.twimg.com/media/DPdzrjLXUAAhbJT.jpg This is what happens when you let hysterical women hijack your brain." It seems that we talk or tweet about it more in Sweden than anywhere else? So maybe Swedes are more hysterical than everyone else is, or the problem with sexual harassment is a lot bigger in Sweden. Maybe sexual harassment of women is a part of our customs. Maybe our culture teaches us to do it. I awoke today, made my coffee, and sat down to read the news, and among the first things I read is: Vill aldrig mer se en penis på arbetstid Uppropet #larmetgår samlar kvinnors och andra utsatta personers vittnesmål från arbetet på räddningstjänsten i Sverige. Här återger SVT Nyheter några av berättelserna. in English: The call #thealarmgoesoff brings together the testimony of women and other vulnerable persons from the work in the rescue service in Sweden. Here, SVT News reproduces some of the stories. "Never want to see a penis again during working hours" http://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/skane/det-har-ar-larmetgar So maybe women in Sweden is more hysterical about it, or the problem with sexual harassment is a lot bigger here?
Paramount Member	Sun Nov 26 03:33:43 Imagine if you have a daughter. And when she starts to work, would you like men at her workplace to send pictures of their penises to her, smack her ass cheeks or grab her breasts or vagina? And when she tells about it, would you shrug it off by saying: Stop being hysterical, woman! lol
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Nov 26 11:05:29 Sweden is without a doubt more hysterical about it. It is an overly feminized society. Women are heavy on neuroticism, sensitivity towards traumatic experiences. Just like masculinization has drawbacks so does feminization. Part of being human and dealing with life is our psychological resistance towards traumatic experiences, pain and general shit that life throws your way. This is a trait, just like IQ, height, athletic performance. It has a genetic component and a environmental one. Some people are prone to depression, PTSD, anxiety etc. etc. and will generally deal with trauma worse than others. We are not helping them by joining them in their hysteria. That would be like getting HIV to try to help someone with AIDS. This traits (neuroticism) has had and still has evolutionary benefits for women. If you are the weaker sex physically you have to find other ways to survive and garner support and resources. A violated woman second only to a violated child in the anger and violence it will draw from a society. In all cultures anyone caught doing these acts will either end up dead or ostracized. All these things matter of course on a population level, say like hastags and social media activism that goes "viral" (this is such a fitting word for genetic reasons). These things are the extended phenotypes of whatever genes that program neuroticism. As for my imaginary daughter, I will instruct her properly on dark side of human sexuality. Be very clear with other about your boundaries, check them if they are crossed. Do not for any reason, becomes hysterical, stay calm and listen to what Liam Neeson is saying. You feel me para? You either deal with "it" or you become consumed by it. It is a state of mind, not a method for victim counseling.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Sun Nov 26 11:32:09 You pointing to instance of sexual harassment, say what about the magnitude of the problem? Part of "hysteria" involves the exaggeration of problems. Getting raped is a traumatic experience on the individual level. The level of trauma is also experienced individually. The way the problem has been blown completely out of proportion is with the slow concept creep and widening of all the types of behavior that has been included in #metoo. Rape -> awkward pick up attempts. And EVERYTHING in between those two.
Paramount Member	Mon Nov 27 12:01:13 A tsunami, a revolution, a historical turnaround ". Media around the world is trying to put words on the impact that the MeToo movement currently has in Sweden. French Le Monde describes what happens as a giant wave that sweeps over the Scandinavian Empire without signs of decline. And more media are in the same line. "Why does the Metoo movement send shockwaves through Sweden?" Asks the Australian television channel SBS, describing how what started with the hash tag #MeToo led to a snowball effect in Sweden where women in industry by industry protest against abuse, harassment and sexism in the labor market. ”We are very aware that equality is extremely important, women are aware of their rights and they have had enough of the situation," explains Minister of Gender Equality Åsa Regnér (S), when interviewed by Australian SBS http://omn...-revolution-i-sverige/a/oRLjg7 Yeah, the women are not hysterical. Swedish women are just aware of their rights and they have had enough. Maybe it is the men who are hysterical?
Paramount Member	Mon Nov 27 12:05:51 Why is the #MeToo movement sending shockwaves through Sweden? http://www...ding-shockwaves-through-sweden The women speaks up, and the men gets shocked. Maybe the men thought that it was only immigrants and refeugees who harassed and raped women? So now the men are hysterical?
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Nov 27 13:04:23 *yawn* I have been citing official stats on Swedish sex offences for a couple of years para. Hysterical will do what hysterical does. "Swedish women are just aware of their rights and they have had enough." It is not a right to not be offended by the manners of others. Once you stop mixing neurotic hyper-sensibilities with rape and molestation and actual crimes, then we can have a non hysterical conversation about the problem of sexual offences and the primarily immigrant offenders and victims and what can be done about it. I understand it has been difficult these past few years with immigrants stealing the attention, I mean just recently we have begun to talk about honor related crimes and bring them to the focus. White upper class women could not stand it. ME ME ME!! HE TOLD ME I LOOKED BEAUTIFUL! METOO METOO! Listen my friend, you people have been traumatized by a life without resistance and conflict. This is why you (not you personally) can sit in Stockholm shielded by NATO and ask questions like "won't the patriot missiles anger Russia?" This is how naive and stupid some people are, they actually believe that Russia doesn't know that Sweden already is in NATO. EVERYONE KNOWS BUT SWEDEN! Let's make cunt hats and let easily offended hysterical women make sure the Swedish military has the correct gender perspective. Thank god we have the Finish military to count on. Which BTW Finland, is PIVOTAL in the strategic Swedish plans to not have any defense or plans. Without Finland we would need a real military with real plans to defend things and stuff.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Nov 27 13:05:56 *stuff and things.
Forwyn Member	Mon Nov 27 13:08:43 "Anyone in the army knows that kind of inappropriate sexual innuendo happens all the time. It's a total boy's club." It's an affirmative action club. For everyone else, it's hours upon hours of SARC power points.
Paramount Member	Mon Nov 27 14:35:03 Nim, ”Once you stop mixing neurotic hyper-sensibilities with rape and molestation and actual crimes” Yeah well, not everything in the Swedish metoo campaign has been about rape or harassements. A lot of women have ”just” submitted a testimony on sexism. ”I mean just recently we have begun to talk about honor related crimes and bring them to the focus.” I think it was brought to focus 15 years ago when Fadime was killed. But sure, ”we” don’t talk about honor killings every day, but ever since Fadime, honor killings has been talked about and discussed among politicians and media every so often/periodically. ”they actually believe that Russia doesn't know that Sweden already is in NATO. EVERYONE KNOWS BUT SWEDEN!” I think most Swedes knows. It is just our politicians who does not dare to be honest and say that they have sneaked Sweden into NATO despite that they know that the majority of the citizens does not want to be a member of NATO. So it is the politicians who believes that the citizens believes that we are not already in NATO. The politicians underestimates the people. They believe the peope is stupid. But as long as the government’s official policy is that we are not NATO members then we the people will demand that they also act like it.
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Mon Nov 27 15:43:54 "submitted a testimony on sexism" By a minority of women btw. Who all seem to be lawyers, academics, famous media personalities and so on. No disenfranchised poor damsels. Taking away our attentions from real crimes and victims. You see how heinous women get? Yes we men fight and kill each other, but a man would never try to steal the thunder from a rape victim. That would be "a bitch move".
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