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Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun Nov 26 23:29:46 Is Nancy Pelosi: 1) Mentally unfit to serve? 2) Morally unfit to serve. After bashing Moore for his purported escapades, she turns around and wants to turn Franken and Rep. John Conyers cases over to "DUE PROCESS", Conyers used $27,000 of taxpayer money to pay off his victim. "House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi on Sunday refused to criticize Rep. John Conyers, a Michigan Democrat who has been accused of sexual harassment against former Capitol Hill staff. "We are strengthened by due process," Pelosi said on NBC's "Meet the Press." "John Conyers is an icon in our country. He's done a great deal to protect women," she added, citing the congressman's support for the Violence Against Women Act." The woman is either nuts or immoral. Anyone in their right mind would know she is championing a double standard.
Dukhat Member	Sun Nov 26 23:36:23 I know it's hard for you as a paedophile to understand Hot Rod. But multiple women accusing you of pedophilia>>>>>>>> random accounts of grab-ass. Random accounts of grab ass are serious too which is why there is an investigation and if it turns up serious violations; they'll probably step down. Really ... just stop watching fox news.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Sun Nov 26 23:42:28 you realize Trump bashed Franken over his obvious joke photo while supporting Roy Moore? (& Roger Ailes... & O'Reily... & himself) Is Trump: 1) Mentally unfit to serve? 2) Morally unfit to serve. 3) Both... as proven a billion times over and Pelosi said she thinks Conyers "will do the right thing" & was involved in him stepping down from that one post... & his allegations aren't even known yet afaik
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Nov 27 04:13:00 But, isn't Moore allowed the same investigation? Pelosi has been demanding that Moore not be allowed to even run or the office. Doesn't he have a right to a thorough investigation too? She as a double standard for Republicans and Democrats? Franken is still saying he will not step down even though more women have come forward. And Conyers has only taken a demotion even though he has apparently broken the law by using taxpayer money to pay off his alleged victims.
patom Member	Mon Nov 27 04:45:33 Conyers has stepped down from his position. In all likelihood I think he will resign. I do want congress to have a full investigation of how many other members have used tax payer money to pay hush money like Conyers did. I'm sure he didn't think that up all on his own. Moore is not subject to the rules of Congress and apparently even his own Governor of Alabama believes the victims but is so morally bankrupt that she is willing to vote for him for fear that a Democrat gets the seat. Franken has owned up to his errors and has apologized to his victim. Who BTW was an adult woman not a HS freshman. She accepted the apology and has said herself that she doesn't want him to resign.
delude Member	Mon Nov 27 05:05:20 "Franken is still saying he will not step down even though more women have come forward. " Groping is groping, but are you referring to the other women who shared their story under the condition of anonymity, but also admitted still voting for him after the incident had occurred?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Nov 27 09:54:24 Moore isn't in Congress yet, there is no investigation going to happen... plenty of evidence out now for voters to decide what they believe (although there's no reason to believe him as his denials are pretty weak... 'i always asked the mothers for permission'... um, so you did it?) and what he's accused of is way worse than Franken, w/ way more people confirming... i don't even know what Conyers accused of
patom Member	Mon Nov 27 12:57:09 Hot Rod, "Pelosi has been demanding that Moore not be allowed to even run or the office." So has McConnell and quite a few prominent Republicans in the Senate. Many are asking voters to write in someone else.
Cold Rod Member	Mon Nov 27 12:59:14 But but but partisan!
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Nov 27 14:47:29 Yeah, but they are not saying that Moore should have due process and neither is Nancy. That is a double standard.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Nov 27 14:55:02 That doesn't sound right. Yeah, but they are not saying that Moore should have due process while the Democrats should step down. If they were they would be guilty of a double standard too. That's better.
hood Member	Mon Nov 27 14:56:05 Moore isn't being accused of crimes that would result in due process being required. Sure, that 14 year old accused him of assault, but there's no way he's ever going to be facing a charge in court for it. Conyers is much more likely to actually appear in court if there's any evidence of him using public money for payoffs. As such, it makes sense to cite due process, as due process is relevant.
obaminated Member	Mon Nov 27 14:59:10 Rofl @tw - im sure Franken and every molester will use the "it was obvious i was joking" defense. The left continues to crumble under geotus Trump
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Nov 27 15:02:07 he is smiling right into the camera there are shadows between his fingers and her vest it is 100.0% obviously a joke
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Nov 27 15:06:08 It's not just due process per se. If Moore steps down it is like he is admitting guilt and his life would be a wreck. And I think Nancy was including Franken in demanding due process.
obaminated Member	Mon Nov 27 15:06:24 Hey, why did he apologize for it?
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Nov 27 15:08:09 tw, "are shadows between his fingers and her vest" of the other three women?
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Nov 27 15:16:45 the other allegations (at 3 now? 2 anonymous) are butt grabbing during photos... which Rubio says is "horrifying" (a bit much i think) that puts him at worst in the George H.W. Bush camp... except less clear that it even happened preying on teens for sex is a much bigger deal
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Nov 27 15:20:54 Not the point. Nancy wants the Republicans to step down while she wants the Democrats to have due process. That is the bottom line.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Nov 27 15:22:31 THERE IS NO DUE PROCESS FOR ROY MOORE THERE IS NO ONE TO GIVE HIM DUE PROCESS
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Nov 27 15:26:05 It is the principle. Moore has not been proven guilty of anything while Franken and Conyers have both confessed.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Nov 27 15:31:11 Franken hasn't confessed, he said he didn't remember any of the photo incidents of which he's been in 1000s, he just has tried to empathize Moore will NEVER be proven guilty, the evidence is what it is... & is quite plentiful... it's not hard to believe it's true at all, especially with his weak denials
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Nov 27 15:37:56 Franken's Apology http://www...after-groping-allegations.html
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Nov 27 15:41:11 he's bending over backward to be nice to the women and accept they felt violated, he's not saying he groped them with any intention
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Nov 27 15:44:26 Read the first few paragraphs. He is admitting he stepped over the line and he feels terrible that he made them feel bad.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Nov 27 15:46:00 Admit it Pelosi has a double standard on this issue. At best she is senile. She needs to step down.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Nov 27 15:46:06 the 3 women saying he grabbed their butts during photos span 10 years... there is no indication this is a pattern of his (unlike with Moore... whose allegations are WAY more serious)
delude Member	Mon Nov 27 15:47:51 "Moore has not been proven guilty of anything while Franken and Conyers have both confessed. " Conyers did not confess. Franken acknowledged his antics, but not outright declaring on other instances he did do that. Yet, you ignore that Franken's accusers have accepted his apology and have admitted supporting him AFTER his apparent antics. Moore on the other hand, you have his own party not wanting him there. Yet, you are quite silent on that. So why are you doing this partisan bullshit?
delude Member	Mon Nov 27 15:48:17 Also, stop being too chickenshit to answer the question.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Nov 27 15:50:48 "I've learned from recent stories that in some of these encounters, I crossed a line for some women" "I feel terribly that I've made some women feel badly" he's saying -they- feel he crossed a line... he wouldn't need to learn from stories if he felt he did anything intentionally
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Nov 27 15:52:40 I am trying very hard to ignore you multis. You have nothing of value to say. If you want an answer post under your original tag so we know who you are. You are the one being chickenshit by using a multi.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Nov 27 15:55:11 And while tumbleweed is not a multi, that I am aware of, he has nothing of value to say either.
Paramount Member	Mon Nov 27 15:59:28 How do you know Delude is a multi, Hot Rod? I have never seen him or her post under a different name.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Mon Nov 27 16:20:54 Rep Kathleen Rice (D) saying Franken should resign... comparing to Weinstein... he may have touched a few butts over the past 10 years, resign your job!
delude Member	Mon Nov 27 16:25:08 "I am trying very hard to ignore you multis. You have nothing of value to say. If you want an answer post under your original tag so we know who you are. You are the one being chickenshit by using a multi. " Not a multi been around over 10 years, check the forum history. Fuck off.
delude Member	Mon Nov 27 16:26:01 "How do you know Delude is a multi, Hot Rod? I have never seen him or her post under a different name." That is the pedophile's way of saying he can't counter-argue any points.
Memory Lane Member	Mon Nov 27 16:27:11 I remember hot rod being a multi, then lying about it and getting caught. I drink and remember things.
Cold Rod Member	Mon Nov 27 16:56:13 Got to give Hot Rod time, he has to consult the opinion shows so he can come up with another doozy of a logical fallacy.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Nov 27 19:35:46 I don't remember ever seeing you post until about a year or so ago. Maybe not even that long ago. -30-
The UP Archivist Member	Mon Nov 27 19:58:36
The UP Archivist Member	Mon Nov 27 20:00:52 Hot Rod from an archivist point of view, you are a known liar. I have researched and found multiple threads from delude. Some links are dead and some are active. However, I chose this one in particular about it is you addressing another post being delude or Byron. This was from around 2008 or 2009. http://www...hread?id=politics&thread=22326 You are being indignant.
The UP Archivist Member	Mon Nov 27 20:03:51 2015 http://www...hread=74989&time=1444979546023
Memory Lane Member	Mon Nov 27 20:07:22 I remember delude from years back. I drink and remember things.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Nov 27 20:12:15 Solid Evidence you got there. Just one tiny little question. Why is there no mention of delude and/or Byron in that thread? Just curious. rolands name is in the thread and I have a hunch that is delude, but I have no proof.
The UP Archivist Member	Mon Nov 27 20:17:25 Because you unbelievable twit it extended from another thread and it carried over into that as you accused Roland Graves(which was a multi) of being delude and Byron(who was a multi as well). You even brought it up. Roland is not delude. Delude came around 2007 and was from the utopiapolitics.com standalone site. (If I recall) I know, because I've been around since this site transitioned over from the echelon, swirve, to its current form because of TC's dedication. I really wish you stop your pettiness and luckily I was around to see your putrid idiocy to call you out on it because I grow tired of it honestly.
The UP Archivist Member	Mon Nov 27 20:18:13 Excuse me as I mistyped. "Randal Graves" not "Roland Graves."
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Nov 27 20:32:43 2015 = Two years ago. As an Archivist can you tell me ***precisely*** how many current posters have pirated the tags of past posters to use as a multi? As an archivist, you should know how many and who they are and which tags each of them stole. Waiting...
Hot Rod Revved Up	Mon Nov 27 20:34:10 No excuse necessary, we all do that little booboo eventually.
patom Member	Tue Nov 28 06:35:53 Hot Rod, "Yeah, but they are not saying that Moore should have due process while the Democrats should step down. If they were they would be guilty of a double standard too." Pelosi isn't asking for due process for Moore because his offenses are past the statute of limitations and because she has no say yet as he hasn't been elected yet. McConnell and company are urging voters to write in another candidate. They can't ask Moore to step down from something he hasn't attained yet.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Tue Nov 28 06:56:20 "Hot Rod, "Yeah, but they are not saying that Moore should have due process while the Democrats should step down." Yes, but Nancy is and that is a double standard. McConnell is very suspect in my opinion. Why would he attach the failed health bill to the tax bill. Could it be the establishment trying to sabotage Trump?
Hot Rod Revved Up	Tue Nov 28 06:57:18 I hope I don't have to explain it.
Cold Rod Member	Tue Nov 28 07:01:20 Lol deflection, tired argument, and you hope you don't have to explain because you really can't, not at this time until you watch your fox news opinion shows devoided of facts.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Tue Nov 28 07:19:43 I knew I would have to make it clear for one of the stupid Multis. "Yes, but Nancy is and that is a double standard." Yes, but Nancy is calling for Moore to drop out of the race while saying the demorats are entitled to due process.
patom Member	Tue Nov 28 14:08:02 " McConnell is very suspect in my opinion. Why would he attach the failed health bill to the tax bill. Could it be the establishment trying to sabotage Trump? " How else do you think they are going to pay for the 1.4 Trillion tax cut that is not going to benefit the working poor. Is not going to benefit you or me. They are emboldened by the blind stupidity of their supporters. The Twitterman keeps shitting on you and you are too blind to see it.
delude Member	Tue Nov 28 14:14:50 UPA totally owned the pedophile and that was hilarious. "Yes, but Nancy is calling for Moore to drop out of the race while saying the demorats are entitled to due process. " Because they are in the Senate and are subjugated to being investigated. There is no double standard, unless once again you wanted to say your republican reps are committing double standards by your logic?
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