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FoxNEWS
Member
Sat Dec 02 05:50:19
So, the tax reform plan has passed and Trump is touting how it will be a boom for the economy, except by leading economists' analysis indicated would most probable not be the case. Remember Trumpicans hate facts, so they will ignore because Trump's name is attached to it.

But...

Let's not ignore some added features to the tax reform plan at the last minute that should make you question it still. The added pet projects. In order for some GOP members to be on board to support it this must be met, here are some examples;

-Tax exemptions for cruise ships docking in Alaska. (claim without it this is hurting Alaska's economy)

-A Christian College (private) so they can receive funding since they do not receive federal or state funding. However, large Universities with large endowments have impositions placed on them with this new plan. Conveniently enough the Christian College gets exempt.

-New drilling in Artic National Wildlife Refuge

-Pro-life bill: allowing families to save money for education in tax-privileged accounts for children "at any stage of development" - including those carried in the womb. (This made me LOL)

-Football (seriously): The bills would do away with a range of privileges enjoyed by sports teams, such as the tax-free status given to professional football leagues.

-The House bill also strikes at tax-privileged financing for sports stadiums and a perk related to purchases of college athletics tickets. (Hey, but those big corporate tax cuts need to be ensured though, except...)

-Church Power: (Under current law, nonprofits - including churches and schools - cannot participate in political campaigns and retain their tax-free status.)

Not anymore: allowing nonprofits to make political statements, assuming they incur minimal expense and are made "in the ordinary course of the organisation's business".

Private jets- No need for explanation.

Carried interests: Primarily for Trump's friends. During his campaign for president, Donald Trump pledged to eliminate this controversial benefit, which provides managers of companies - including private equity firms - a lower tax rate on money received for overseeing investments.

But the perk stands, although the House bill would require that the investment be held for at least three years to qualify for the lower rate, which was intended to encourage "long-term" capital investments.


Duped. You just got duped. So, let's sit back and watch the economy regress and then have Trumpicans blame Obama.

Good job Trumpicantards.
jergul
large member
Sat Dec 02 06:07:28
12.5 by 2020!
yankeessuck123
Member
Sat Dec 02 06:22:08
$1 trillion increase in the deficit

$500 billion increase in annual interest payments within 10 years

Huge tax breaks for corporations and the rich

Tiny little baby ones for everyone else, which will be more than offset by cuts to programs that help the lower and middle classes
McKobb
Member
Sat Dec 02 06:49:45
He certainly grabbed the economy by the pussy
werewolf dictator
Member
Sat Dec 02 07:45:24
let’s see.. consumer confidence highest in 16 years.. record stock market.. unemployment lowest in 16 years.. gdp on pace for 3 consecutive quarters over 3% growth [something obama could not accomplish in two terms]

and then stocks fall 350 points on the msm fake news that trump told flynn to reach out to russians *before*the election.. making people fear trump presidency and trump’s expert guidance of economy was in jeopardy

leftists sure live in a state of ignorance and fantasy
Trolly
Member
Sat Dec 02 07:52:29
oh werewolf dicktaster
Cold Rod
Member
Sat Dec 02 07:57:24
"Something Obama's administration accomplished during his two terms so that presently Trump could take credit for in less than a year without any major legislation to the economy."

Fixed.
werewolf dictator
Member
Sat Dec 02 08:07:41
yeah it was really clever of “obama” to wait until trump was president to make consumer confidence and gdp skyrocket
jergul
large member
Sat Dec 02 08:35:13
http://tra...ce-participation-rate/forecast
Cold Rod
Member
Sat Dec 02 08:42:33
"Skyrocket" is an exaggeration term utilized by those who think even the most miniscule of a rise is "skyrocketing." It is inherently clever that Trump and morons who are following him, such as yourself, take credit for an economy that was already growing and still progressing based upon previous administration policies and still mistakenly think that consumer confidence was all Trump's doing. Which any research you will find that consumer confidence hit highest during Obama's term.

So, shut up putin fluffer.
FoxNEWS
Member
Sat Dec 02 08:49:31
I appreciate WD's comment as he ignores the basis of what was reported.
werewolf dictator
Member
Sat Dec 02 08:54:15
oh look at how dumb liberals hate economy skyrocketing on all fronts under trump

and lol @ lots of dumb stuff to “support” dumb title assertion is “reporting”
Trolly
Member
Sat Dec 02 08:56:51
oh werewolf dicktaster.
werewolf dictator
Member
Sat Dec 02 09:08:48
typical dumb liberal fake news propaganda before election

http://mon...ump-hillary-clinton/index.html

If Donald Trump wins the election, U.S. stocks (and likely many other markets overseas) will almost certainly tank.
How big of a drop? Forecasting firm Macroeconomic Advisors predicts an 8% fall in the U.S. A new paper out Friday from the Brookings Institute projects a 10% to 15% nosedive. You get the idea.

A Trump victory would be "America's Brexit." It would shock U.S. and global markets, much like the surprise June referendum in the U.K. where 52% voted to leave the European Union.

Almost everyone on Wall Street currently predicts Hillary Clinton will win the White House. A Trump triumph would likely cause investors to flee stocks to the safety of gold and bonds. Trump is the king of unpredictability (something Wall Street hates), and he's campaigned on an anti-trade agenda, which wouldn't be good for big business.
Cold Rod
Member
Sat Dec 02 09:11:45
Has nothing to do what is being discussed. Thanks for continuation of your usual spill of finding articles to flood with that isn't applicable.

Good job putin fluffer.
delude
Member
Sat Dec 02 09:13:41
Erm, what has Trump passed that had any effect or impact on the economy?
werewolf dictator
Member
Sat Dec 02 09:31:03
liberals don’t like it when you point out great economic numbers under trump.. or of liberals’ horribly incorrect prediction track record in past.. or how stocks plummet on even the incorrect rumor that trump’s presidency could be in trouble
jergul
large member
Sat Dec 02 09:34:15
http://www.macroadvisers.com/our-people/
delude
Member
Sat Dec 02 10:13:02
"liberals don’t like it when you point out great economic numbers under trump.. or of liberals’ horribly incorrect prediction track record in past.. or how stocks plummet on even the incorrect rumor that trump’s presidency could be in trouble"

So you have nothing, Hot Rod Jr.?
Forwyn
Member
Sat Dec 02 10:19:31
Pelosi and Reid cancel meeting

Forwyn
Member Tue Nov 28 14:30:36
Republicans don't need Democrats to pass a tax bill

Cuckhat: REEEEEE

The TCJA passed by a vote of 51-49, with Sen. Bob Corker being the only Republican to vote against it.

Lawl

Turtle Crawler
Admin
Sat Dec 02 10:28:38
You can keep listening to your 'experts' but I'll just keep watching the S&P.

Earnings up and up and up

Personal market accounts up over 40k in gains this year.

American Democrat
Member
Sat Dec 02 10:42:05
Thanks Obama.
hood
Member
Sat Dec 02 10:47:32
"I'll just keep watching the S&P."

Yay funny money?
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sat Dec 02 12:09:05

By the end of 2019, we will have a consistent 5% GDP and that is a conservative estimate.

Wrath of Orion
Member
Sat Dec 02 12:43:13
And a serious blow to higher education by taxing tuition waivers. One has to wonder why Trump, Retard Rod, and other repubtards want to make better levels of education more expensive to obtain.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sat Dec 02 13:37:19
^^^^^Voted for that crazy old communist.
hood
Member
Sat Dec 02 13:38:26
Intelligence and knowledge are dirty liberal things.
Pillz
Member
Sat Dec 02 13:54:48
"One has to wonder why Trump, Retard Rod, and other repubtards want to make better levels of education more expensive to obtain."

While there shouldn't be a financial barrier, university should be a lot less available to people in general. I'm not sure why the view has developed that university is for everyone. It isn't.

And by and large, the people that don't belong are the ones taking up jobs that shouldn't exist and reeking havoc on our social institutions and undermining the education system with poor research with ideologically motivated conclusions and lesson plans.

University, as an institution, is compromised because of the vast sums of money involved, which encourage them all to take more students, creating greater levels of debt, and pumping out retards.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Sat Dec 02 14:10:52
It affects graduate student tuition waivers for RA's and TA's you fucking moron. Most graduate students get by on some combination of stipends and student loans. And if they're not using the latter (which piles on the debt), they are barely scraping by. Taxing their tuition waivers will either force more grad students to accrue more debt each semester (never a good thing), or even prevent some from attending/continuing grad school because it bumps them into a higher tax bracket.

Taxing grad student tuition waivers is about the dumbest thing these fucking morons could have done. Retard Rod claims to be interested in the health of the country - well fucking over the students seeking graduate degrees is the last thing anyone should support if they're really interested in the long term health of the country.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sat Dec 02 14:15:48

May I suggest that each of you crazy liberals find a young minority student that shows promise and pay for his education yourselves.

That will relieve that student of a financial burden.


Oh, wait...

You want to use OPM.

Of Course.



Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sat Dec 02 14:17:31

Actually, I have seen little to argue with so far, but let's wait and see.

They re not through with it yet.

Average Ameriacn
Member
Sat Dec 02 14:20:06
The Trump tax reform allows everybody to get super rich if you only work hard enough.
hood
Member
Sat Dec 02 14:21:42
Pillz makes an excellent case for why people need more education. His argument was on a completely unrelated topic. No logic or comprehension skills whatsoever.
Dukhat
Member
Sat Dec 02 14:23:43
Lol some of these arguments are beyond dumb.

The gop voter base right now are uneducated whites. They want to create as many serfs as possible to help support their oligarchs.

Virginia and next year's election will show that the gop will lose white college grads or win them by the tiniest margins in literally a century.

The onky hope they have is by keeping people as dumb and helpless as possible so that they will vote for the next cheap demagogue the gop puts out.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Sat Dec 02 14:32:44
Why does Retard Rod hate the United States?
Pillz
Member
Sat Dec 02 14:39:27
"Pillz makes an excellent case for why people need more education. His argument was on a completely unrelated topic. No logic or comprehension skills whatsoever."

I was clear in my post that I wasn't discussing Trump's tax measures. Just taking the opportunity to comment on universities. In fact I think I said I opposed them financial barriers...

But far be for me to get in the way of your stupidity. Carry on.
Pillz
Member
Sat Dec 02 14:44:20
"It affects graduate student tuition waivers for RA's and TA's you fucking moron. Most graduate students get by on some combination of stipends and student loans. And if they're not using the latter (which piles on the debt), they are barely scraping by. Taxing their tuition waivers will either force more grad students to accrue more debt each semester (never a good thing), or even prevent some from attending/continuing grad school because it bumps them into a higher tax bracket.

Taxing grad student tuition waivers is about the dumbest thing these fucking morons could have done. Retard Rod claims to be interested in the health of the country - well fucking over the students seeking graduate degrees is the last thing anyone should support if they're really interested in the long term health of the country."

I can't really see how this matters. Financial barriers are bad, but why shed a tear because fewer poor liberals can write diar- I mean doctoral papers about the white supremacy of drive-ins, tennis, coke zero, or anything else they can think of.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Sat Dec 02 14:49:17
"I can't really see how this matters."

Right. It definitely doesn't matter that we're hamstringing this country's ability to produce graduate students in areas like chemistry, physics, natural resources, ecology, biology, biochemistry, all areas of engineering, atmospheric sciences, etc...
hood
Member
Sat Dec 02 14:56:30
"I was clear in my post that I wasn't discussing Trump's tax measures. Just taking the opportunity to comment on universities. In fact I think I said I opposed them financial barriers...

But far be for me to get in the way of your stupidity. Carry on."

And then...

"I can't really see how this matters. Financial barriers are bad, but why shed a tear because fewer poor liberals can write diar- I mean doctoral papers about the white supremacy of drive-ins, tennis, coke zero, or anything else they can think of."

Can't even go a post without contradicting yourself, proving my point. It's always nice to know I can count on your continued stupidity.
Pillz
Member
Sat Dec 02 15:08:22
I disagree with financial barriers, but also don't think this is a problem. Mostly, it will affect non-STEM students.

"At the master's degree level, the greatest numbers of degrees were conferred in the fields of business (189,000), education (155,000), and health professions and related programs (97,000)."

The last thing the world needs is more business students anyways.

"At the doctor's degree level, the greatest numbers of degrees were conferred in the fields of health professions and related programs (67,400), legal professions and studies (44,200), education (10,900), engineering (10,000), biological and biomedical sciences (8,300), psychology (6,600), and physical sciences and science technologies (5,800)."

I can see it as a problem for doctoral students, which tend to be in valuable fields, but there should be options available to them. If not, oh well for now. Maybe you can try and fix your for profit, over following with useless bodies and degrees higher education system, and this wouldn't be a problem.

As it is this is probably going to do more good than harm.
Pillz
Member
Sat Dec 02 15:08:55
Overflowing*
Wrath of Orion
Member
Sat Dec 02 15:10:19
"but there should be options available to them"

Wrong again, as usual. Congrats on following your usual trend.
Pillz
Member
Sat Dec 02 15:15:02
I said should be. Not there are.
Pillz
Member
Sat Dec 02 15:15:30
Oh, I see, clearly you are disagreeing with my statement.

Why do you hate doctoral students?
hood
Member
Sat Dec 02 16:00:28
"The last thing the world needs is more business students anyways."

The 250k education/health vastly outweigh the 190k useless business masters degrees.

"but there should be options available to them. If not, oh well for now."

That's not a good stance. "oh, well, guess y'all just GET FUCKED!" is terrible policy. This "tax reform" shit is terrible policy. You clearly realize this, and yet you regularly comment that you don't care, and it's worth it anyways. This is why you're stupid: you realize exactly why this is bad, yet you're fine with it anyway. Because, what? reasons? spite? The higher education in the US might be chaotic in implementation, but it's also the best in the world. Saying "you should fix all that other stuff" is no reason to break this. That's illogical. That's stupid.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Sat Dec 02 16:12:45
That's Pillz.
Dukhat
Member
Sat Dec 02 16:27:54
The sad things is really the feedback loop.

They’re already stupid ... and the want to make it more expensive to get an education. So congratulations?

Be helpless and pathetic on your own time and let others have a chance at a better life that you’ve apparently given up on.
Forwyn
Member
Sat Dec 02 17:07:03
"education (155,000)"

So we can have more assistant principal's with master's that institute zero-tolerance policies, yay
Pillz
Member
Sat Dec 02 17:13:40
Forwyn is correct. You are not in need of more education majors.

Well you are, it's just that you're producing useless twats rather than qualified educators. Why continue?

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sat Dec 02 18:07:37

Tell you what.

Why don't you guys, that are American citizens, use the old tax books when calculating your taces.


Won't that be fun?

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sat Dec 02 18:12:20
*-taxes
Wrath of Orion
Member
Sat Dec 02 18:13:04
I'd still like to know why Retard Rod hates the United States.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sat Dec 02 18:40:36

LOL

So much or your "reality".

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sat Dec 02 19:01:29
*-for
Memory Lane
Member
Sat Dec 02 19:34:24
I remember hot rod having many anti-American sentiments.

I drink and remember things.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Dec 02 19:38:40
there was certainly a lot of touting of the doubling of standard deduction to show how it's great for the middle class... but personal exemptions are gone so was all a charade
Wrath of Orion
Member
Sat Dec 02 19:52:45
Nobody that is interested in the long term health of the US would support increased financial barriers for graduate degrees. So I ask again, "Why does Retard Rod hate the United States?"
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sat Dec 02 19:55:19

Again, why don't you find a needy minority and pay there way through college?

Too cheap?

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sat Dec 02 19:59:48
*-their
Wrath of Orion
Member
Sat Dec 02 20:04:55
Retard Rod hides from the topic at hand so he doesn't have to explain why he hates the United States. Coward.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sat Dec 02 20:07:28

Make your case.

How do I hate The United States when all I want is for our laws to be obeyed?

Especially the immigration laws.

Wrath of Orion
Member
Sat Dec 02 20:12:48
I've already made it. Do try to keep up, Retard Rod.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sat Dec 02 20:16:56

No, whale shit for brains.

You haven't.

Wrath of Orion
Member
Sat Dec 02 20:17:51
Retard Rod is having yet another senior moment, I see.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sat Dec 02 20:19:34

Humor me.

C&P where you made your case so I don't have to go back and reread your regurgitated nonsense.

Wrath of Orion
Member
Sat Dec 02 20:23:30
I wouldn't do a piece of shit like you even the smallest favor, including saving you if you were drowning.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sat Dec 02 20:39:31

So, another one of your lies.

Where did you learn to tell such outrageous lies?

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sat Dec 02 20:41:15

Your "reality" is quickly turning to dust. Shit face.


BTW, I am a good swimmer.

Wrath of Orion
Member
Sat Dec 02 20:41:53
Not lying - just not willing to cater to your laziness.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Sat Dec 02 20:42:27
"I am a good swimmer."

Considering you wallow in your own piss each day, I'm not surprised.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sat Dec 02 20:46:05

You mean my piss that you drink on a regular basis when I send it to you?


Tell it like it is, just tell everyone that you are nothing but a cowardly weasel that only knows how to lie.


Wrath of Orion
Member
Sat Dec 02 20:47:54
Retard Rod is just throwing a tantrum now because I won't cater to his laziness. Time to change your Depends. Buzz your handlers.
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