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Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sat Dec 02 22:31:22

here are currently laws on the books that make it a crime to give aid and comfort to a lawbreaker.

What Congress needs to do is make that a federal law and to increase the punishment to $1000 per day for each infraction which means for each individual that is breaking that the law.


Now aid and comfort are clearly giving the criminal a job so they can earn money and/or selling or renting them shelter.


Any citizen that gives aid and comfort would be subject to this punishment.

Any green card holder would be subject to deportation.


It is time to quit pussyfooting around about the illegals rights.

The only right they had when they crossed the border was the right to be deported.


Enough is enough.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sat Dec 02 22:33:42

I've been waiting hours to restart this thread.

Perhaps this round we can get an intelligent conversation going.


And before woo starts in again, I'm going to bed. I have things to do in the morning.

Wrath of Orion
Member
Sat Dec 02 22:40:07
Racist Rod, why do you hate non-whites so much? Based on the OP, it seems like they terrify you.
Paramount
Member
Sun Dec 03 02:14:15
What if the criminals can’t afford or refuse to pay $1,000 a day? What you gonna do then. lol

Put them in jail? But then you give them criminals shelter and maybe aid too if you also give them food, new clothings and toothpaste in jail. So that would make you/the state a lawbreaker and a criminal, and then you would have to pay $1,000 a day.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sun Dec 03 02:54:47

Get serious.

Hot Roid
Member
Sun Dec 03 05:31:42
Enough is enough!
Cold Rod
Member
Sun Dec 03 05:40:57
"Give me a fucking break.

If someone that knew anything about guns had found it it would not have happened."

False. There are many people out there that are ignorant and do not know exactly how guns specifically function. As well as those who do have some that do have varying degree of knowledge making mistakes when handling a gun. Do you not ever see the stories that come out due to user errors in regards to handling guns. Lastly, your comment really shows how you lack any sense when it comes to the current topic being discussed. You are saying that the most probable outcome would have been 'someone that knew something about guns' no, not necessarily, this is a ridiculous statement. You should die and leave this world. Give it more thought; kill yourself, kill yourself, kill yourself.

"If they did not know anything about guns it would have required someone with the same exact build to sit down on the bench at precisely the same spot, at exactly the same instant and and to pick up the gun at precisely the same instant and spent exactly the same amount of time unwrapping the gun and have it go off at that same exact moment at exactly the same trajectory for the bullet to have hit Kate in precisely the same spot on her back for it to nick her aorta."

That isn't the point you fucking idiot. It means the same situation could have occurred, but it could have been another victim instead of her. My fucking god, this is why it is laughable to always speak with someone without any formal logic. But, then again, you do have an 8th grade education. Kill yourself, kill yourself, kill yourself. You have no family, you're worthless, kill yourself.


"Your statement is unquestionably the stupidest post ever made on this or any other forum."

I know your follow up was to justify your target, but I am going to address it anyways, but no, in fact everything you have ever said in regards to subject, perspectives, concepts, is pretty fucking stupid. That is why you have the status and reputation you currently have.

Kill. Yourself.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sun Dec 03 06:06:01

cr, this is what I was responding to.


"Don't have a crystal ball. Who knows the turn of the event, you can play what if's all you want. Also, what delude said. Anyone could have found that gun and the same thing could have occurred."


Pay particular attention to the phrase, "Anyone could have found that gun and the same thing could have occurred."


If you believe that then you are just as stupid as the rest of them.

Your acceptance of the accuracy of my post is accepted. Thank you.



Cold Rod
Member
Sun Dec 03 06:25:03
You fucking idiot;

""Anyone could have found that gun and the same thing could have occurred.""

Means, the same incident could have occurred. Random person finding a gun, could have discharged, could have unintentionally killed someone.

Due try to keep up connecting the dots. But, again, you have an 8th grade education, so I guess breaking out a board and introduce crayons so you can see the pretty colors in order for you to follow would probably be something that would assist you. But I digress.

"If you believe that then you are just as stupid as the rest of them. "

But, I am curious, please, do explain how this is "stupid" versus your inference of "this only happened because he were an illegal but if wall was up this would never happened."

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sun Dec 03 06:55:56

"unintentionally killed someone."

is not the same as "and the same thing could have occurred."


"and the same thing could have occurred."

If taken literally, which I did, means that ***NO MATTER WHO*** picked up the gun Kate would still have been the person that died that day.


Words should be used properly when having a serious discussion such as this one.


I will give you, that another person picking up the gun could conceivably have caused the death of someone. But to say that another person picking up the gun would have caused the death of Kate is very, extremely, highly unlikely.

That is assuming the killer did indeed find the gun. He is not a necessarily an honest person and it is possible he was the one that stole the gun out of the agent's car in the first place.



Now, I am through talking to you unless you are ready to identify yourself.

I have taken flak for years because I lied, though I have apologized a few dozen times for doing so, and using a multi.

So if you wish to converse with me use your original tag.


-30-

Cold Rod
Member
Sun Dec 03 07:04:10
"If taken literally, which I did, means that ***NO MATTER WHO*** picked up the gun Kate would still have been the person that died that day. "

It's because you're a retard and have limited mental capacity to understand the simplest of logic.

"Words should be used properly when having a serious discussion such as this one. "

No, perhaps you should have not stopped at 8th grade.


"I will give you, that another person picking up the gun could conceivably have caused the death of someone. But to say that another person picking up the gun would have caused the death of Kate is very, extremely, highly unlikely. "

I never inferred that, I said that the incident could have been the same. LEARN TO READ.

"That is assuming the killer did indeed find the gun. He is not a necessarily an honest person and it is possible he was the one that stole the gun out of the agent's car in the first place. "

No. This is assuming the average person picking up the gun, no matter what their status is. And what the fuck are you even talking about?

"Now, I am through talking to you unless you are ready to identify yourself. "

Please kill yourself, do the world a favor. Do UP a favor.

"I have taken flak for years because I lied, though I have apologized a few dozen times for doing so, and using a multi."

There is no "lied" you still to this day lie about things and you get called out on it daily. And you ignore it. You ignore facts. You ignore logic. You are not worthy to be upon this earth and you must leave it.

"So if you wish to converse with me use your original tag. "

You do already. Die.


Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sun Dec 03 07:19:21

"But to say that another person picking up the gun would have caused the death of Kate is very, extremely, highly unlikely."


"I never inferred that, I said that the incident could have been the same. LEARN TO READ."


But, you did.

If the incident were the ***same***, that means Kate would have been the victim.


"adjective
1.
identical with what is about to be or has just been mentioned:
This street is the same one we were on yesterday.
2.
being one or identical though having different names, aspects, etc.:
These are the same rules though differently worded.
3.
agreeing in kind, amount, etc.; corresponding:
two boxes of the same dimensions.
4.
unchanged in character, condition, etc.:
It's the same town after all these years.
pronoun


Now that I have corrected you for the last time,

BYE.


5.
the same person or thing.
6.
the same kind or category of thing:
You're having steak? I'll have the same, but very rare.
7.
the very person, thing, or set just mentioned:
Sighted sub sank same.
8.
the same, in the same manner; in an identical or similar way:
I see the same through your glasses as I do through mine."



Cold Rod
Member
Sun Dec 03 07:23:56
"If the incident were the ***same***, that means Kate would have been the victim. "

You are arguing semantics and you are failing. Any rational personal that has any capability of thought would have able to decipher that the incident, possibly, in itself would have been the same.

i.e. Random person picking up gun, discharges, a personal is killed.

Again, this really shows again how you have very, very poor comprehension skills.

Die.
Cold Rod
Member
Sun Dec 03 07:24:51
Btw, even your own research of definitions, that you typically do and typically get wrong. Support what was actually said. LEARN TO READ.
delude
Member
Sun Dec 03 07:36:21
My god your retardation knows no bounds --

Hot Tard,

1) You stated that if a wall was built, or the person was deported that this incident would never had occurred. This is a stupid fucking comment and a placation of 'what if scenarios' that could be done all fucking day. The point is that -none of us would know what may or may not have transpired.- Which leaves to ->

2) ANYone could have been in that same situation, found that gun, causing it to accidentally discharge, and end up either killing someone or hurting someone. OR finding that gun, call the police, and have them pick it up. But there are particular variables that you want to ignore. For example, here is a 'what if' scenario for you. What if the gun was covered by something, and a curious kid picked it up because it looked like a curious object. And then it discharged, the bullet ricochet, striking someone. OR 'what if' a curious person; adult or teen, found something curious and felt empowered and started to go around and just shooting people. Point is, who the fuck knows. That is the point. Because it goes back to this -->

3) Your assertion that a) the wall b) the illegal c) the deportation this would have never occurred. Which is unequivocally false because NONE of us know. Which opens the possibility as was pointed out by CR and myself, that ANYone could have been in the same scenario.

Now, because you are a retard and as pointed out have limitations of your brain to even construct a cohesive thought. I am going to either blame you were born that way, or that your educational background is on the same level as someone from Alabama.
Cold Rod
Member
Sun Dec 03 07:39:34
Hot Rod is just really stupid. He's been that way for years, nothing has changed. He is just stupid.
Paramount
Member
Sun Dec 03 08:27:20
Well, what are you going to do, Hot Rod, if people can’t pay $1,000 per day for each infraction?
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sun Dec 03 09:53:50

Delude - ANYone could have been in that same situation, found that gun, causing it to accidentally discharge, and end up either killing someone or hurting someone.

That is an absolutely correct statement. I have no argument with it.


What I have an argument with is the statement, "and the same thing could have occurred."

For the same thing to have occurred Kate would have been killed no matter who picked up the gun.

That is not possible.

And it is very sloppy English.


Now, if you will excuse me. I am moving on.


delude
Member
Sun Dec 03 10:30:41
"What I have an argument with is the statement, "and the same thing could have occurred."

For the same thing to have occurred Kate would have been killed no matter who picked up the gun.

That is not possible.

And it is very sloppy English.


Now, if you will excuse me. I am moving on."

It isn't sloppy English, it is that you are very stupid and unable to rationally or analytically think. Not sure how CR feels, but definitely not my problem that you are incapable of comprehending what was said and then you wanted to play semantics because you lack such ability of analysis.

You fucking moron.
Paramount
Member
Sun Dec 03 10:54:34
Hot Rod, what if your mom wanted to help an old and poor refugee couple by giving them shelter and a dollar a day to clean her house. Would you rat on her and make her pay $1,000?

Or what if an orphaned refugee child, you know... a neat young boy, showed up on your door step, begging for roof over his head and a penny to survive. Would you not want to take care of the little boy and teach him everything you know so he can grow up to be a good American? Or would you send the little child back to search for food on the dump and to eventually die a horribly death?
Wrath of Orion
Member
Sun Dec 03 11:25:24
Oh my, trying to argue logic to Racist Rod is not a good idea since he has no concept of real logic.

Racist Rod's idea of logic:

- Racist Rod makes claim A and provides no evidence.

- Someone requests evidence to support claim A.

- Racist Rod gets butthurt and tells the poster to find it themselves because he's a lazy piece of shit.

- Everyone ridicule's Racist Rod.

- Racist Rod provides irrelevant evidence that has nothing to do with claim A.

- Everyone ridicules Racist Rod.

- Racist Rod makes claims B and C, which have absolutely nothing to do with claim A. But Racist Rod claims they do and that claim B and C are somehow evidence of claim A.

- Everyone ridicules Racist Rod.

- Racist Rod continues spouting the same retarded bullshit and eventually claims victory.

- Everyone laughs and ridicules Racist Rod.

- Racist Rod moves to another thread bragging about his "victory" in the other. Racist Rod then posts claim D, again without any evidence.

-The cycle begins again.
Memory Lane
Member
Sun Dec 03 11:31:23
I'll just live there here.

http://www...&thread=38627&showdeleted=true

I drink and remember things.
Memory Lane
Member
Sun Dec 03 11:31:50
leave this here* (Never too early to drink)
Cold Rod
Member
Sun Dec 03 12:22:03
Hot Rod is just really, really stupid.
Wrath of Orion
Member
Sun Dec 03 13:08:10
Most likely borderline mentally handicapped. I'm sure he's a nightmare for his handlers.
Cold Rod
Member
Sun Dec 03 13:10:47
Has to be. Which reminds me.

Hot Rod, die.
Memory Lane
Member
Mon Dec 04 21:34:20
Paramount, I remember hot rod having interesting views on reporting illegals.

Hot Rod
Member Wed Sep 29 16:51:38
She no longer worked for her from the minute she found out she was illegal.

What would be the sense in reporting her

http://www...hread=38821&time=1285799256474


I drink and remember things.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Dec 04 22:01:39

Laura Ingram has a great idea.


Name the park where Kate was killed, The Kathryn Steinle Park.

President Trump has the authority to do just that.


Wouldn't that be fun watching the city and state liberals squirm?

Memory Lane
Member
Mon Dec 04 22:04:43
" Being a Neo-Nazi is better than being a Democrat. " -hot rod

I drink and remember things.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Dec 04 22:05:35

Yep.

Cold Rod
Member
Mon Dec 04 22:07:15
Well known fact that hot rod is a racist and a pedophile.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Mon Dec 04 22:12:13


O
^

The little arrow points to the exact spot where the extreme left and the extreme right merge.

As you can see. They are in the same spot.

jergul
large member
Tue Dec 05 03:48:11
HR
Kathryn was killed by a wayward firearm. Would that not make gunfreaks squirm?
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Dec 05 04:34:31

There are somewhere around 200 million firearms and about a trillion rounds of ammo in the hands of honest American citizens.


If they were a problem, you would know it.

Cold Rod
Member
Tue Dec 05 04:40:37
Except the mass shoots and gun crimes. So with your logic with the millions of guns, and your inferences of low percentages of gun incidents that it isn't a widespread problem? Okay cool. Can dig it.

So that mean with those millions of illegals and the low percentages of crimes, isolated incidents, that it also isnt a widespread problem. Makes sense.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Dec 05 04:45:01

Those are the exceptions, not the rule.


If ***sane*** gun owners were a problem, you would know it.

(fixed)

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Dec 05 04:46:21

I did say ***honest*** American Citizens.

Cold Rod
Member
Tue Dec 05 04:47:22
Oh exceptions then?

But there are "***sane****" illegals who work, contribute to the economy and are not part of the statistics of crime.

So what now?
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Dec 05 04:58:17

The word illegal presupposes they are criminals.


Of course, I'm not just talking about the grossly violent crimes that hit the national news. They can kill in a traffic accident or a work accident too.

And then there are the drunk drivers which I don't consider an accident. IMHO, drunk driving that involves the death of an innocent is cold-blooded murder.



Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Dec 05 05:02:58
*-just about
Cold Rod
Member
Tue Dec 05 05:11:34
"The word illegal presupposes they are criminals. "

Whom are not part of the crime statistics.

http://www...numbers-demographics-countries

"Empirical studies of immigrant criminality generally find that immigrants do not increase local crime rates and are less likely to cause crime than their native-born peers, and that natives are more likely to be incarcerated than immigrants.4 There are two broad strands of this literature. The first is an area approach that analyzes how immigrants affect crime in locations where they settle, finding a general decrease in crime rates.5 The second broad strand of research examines immigrant institutionalization rates and uniformly finds that that native-born Americans are more likely to be incarcerated than immigrants as a percentage of their population.6"

"Of course, I'm not just talking about the grossly violent crimes that hit the national news. They can kill in a traffic accident or a work accident too. "

Which are low comparably.

"And then there are the drunk drivers which I don't consider an accident. IMHO, drunk driving that involves the death of an innocent is cold-blooded murder. "

Which are low comparably.

Cold Rod
Member
Tue Dec 05 05:33:25
http://ajp...i/abs/10.2105/AJPH.2017.303884

Objectives. To examine the influence of
undocumented immigration in the United States on 4 different metrics of drug and alcohol problems: drug arrests, drug overdose fatalities, driving under the influence (DUI) arrests, and DUI deaths.
Methods. We combined newly developed state-level estimates of the undocumented population between 1990 and 2014 from the Center for Migration Studies with arrest data from the Federal Bureau of Investigation Uniform Crime Reports and fatality information from the Fatality Analysis Reporting System and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Underlying Cause of Death database. We used fixed-effects regression models to examine the longitudinal association between increased undocumented immigration and drug problems and drunk driving.

Results. Increased undocumented immigration was significantly associated with reductions in drug arrests, drug overdose deaths, and DUI arrests, net of other factors. There was no significant relationship between increased undocumented immigration and DUI deaths.

Conclusions. This study provides evidence that undocumented immigration has not increased the prevalence of drug or alcohol problems, but may be associated with reductions in these public health concerns.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Dec 05 05:35:02

"Empirical studies of immigrant criminality generally find that immigrants do not increase local crime rates..."

One death is one too many. And there is more than that caused by MS-13.

"In 2005, in Los Angeles, according to a jury in a later sentencing phase, Umaña murdered Jose Herrera and Gustavo Porras on July 27, and participated in and aided and abetted the killing of Andy Abarca on September 28. He later came to Charlotte, North Carolina, according to witnesses, as a veteran member of MS-13, to reorganize the Charlotte cell of the gang."


And that is just one member.


Cold Rod
Member
Tue Dec 05 05:36:02
You are avoiding your claim. Stop Trumping.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Tue Dec 05 05:43:14

"There was no significant relationship between increased undocumented immigration and DUI deaths."


Personally, I consider just one death caused by an illegal to be significant.

And there is my claim.

-30-

Cold Rod
Member
Tue Dec 05 06:05:02
"Personally, I consider just one death caused by an illegal to be significant.

And there is my claim. "

Yes, that is an opinion you have. But it doesn't support your initial claim. Thank you for your concession!
Not Mod
Member
Tue Dec 05 06:07:51
*closes thread*
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