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Aeros
Member
Tue Dec 05 09:31:56
Apparently south korean gamers are up in arms over the decision to put a female ruler as the head of their faction. Having almost none to choose from, they chose Queen Seondok, generally considered an incompetent ruler who caved to China at every point. They also made her fat and browned her skin a bit which makes her look filipino and not korean.
hood
Member
Tue Dec 05 10:03:45
Wat? Is this like a civilisation thing?
Aeros
Member
Tue Dec 05 10:09:10
Yeah the Korea dlc for civ 6.
jergul
large member
Tue Dec 05 10:39:37
And you linked that to SJW how exactly?
Pillz
Member
Tue Dec 05 11:26:46
Jerguls head exploding
jergul
large member
Tue Dec 05 11:59:01
More me calling Aeros a CT-nutter. But that would go for you too Pillz.
Forwyn
Member
Tue Dec 05 12:46:31
It's not a conspiracy theory to point out that digital media caters to SJWs, whether it be an arbitrary "non-binary" Overwatch character, or a mediocre faction monarch for muh wymynz power on Civ6. That's just fact. You can argue that such representation is justified, but arguing it doesn't exist is asinine. Par for the course for lulzgul though
jergul
large member
Tue Dec 05 14:12:47
Forwyn
Wow.

Eternal Jew much?

In fact, it is a CT theory to claim there are global forces at work doing anything, or forcing others to do things.
jergul
large member
Tue Dec 05 14:14:25
You guys are just recycling classical anti-Semitism argument.

Here is a CT theory: Something in your drinking water is making you extremely stupid.
Forwyn
Member
Tue Dec 05 14:32:34
"It's just made up!"

Screen Saviors: Can Activism-Focused Games Change Our Behavior?

http://www...used-games-change-our-behavior

An SJW Video Game Manifesto: The 10 Essential Social Justice Gaming Works

http://www.houstonpress.com/arts/an-sjw-video-game-manifesto-the-10-essential-social-justice-gaming-works-7629489

A Young Woman Creating Video Games for Social Justice

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/global-kids/a-gamer-and-a-human-right_b_5476562.html
Forwyn
Member
Tue Dec 05 14:37:33
And the OP itself:

Korean Gamers Outraged Over Western Feminist Revisions To Their History

Living in America where our entertainment is increasingly pandering to the tastes of self-proclaimed Social Justice Warriors, it’s sometimes easy to forget there are large parts of the world still resistant to such influences. This can cause issues however, when our forced diversity entertainment is exported around the world. Take for example the growing outrage in Korea, where gamers are not happy about how their culture is being represented in the latest game of the popular Civilization series.

The above post comes from YouTube. Where the comment section on a new video for the next expansion to popular strategy game Civilization 6, has been taken over by angered Koreans expressing their displeasure. This outrage stemming from the Western developers choice to have the nation be represented in game, by the historical Queen Seondeok. A ruler with a far from positive reputation among Koreans.

Traditionally in the Civilization series, nations are represented by a single leader that normally is the best or at least most famous in that country’s history. In the latest game in the series however, greater emphasis has been put on adding “diversity” to the roster of leaders. Its own developers stating, “We strive to have a diverse and varied selection of leaders, and it is also very important to us to include female leaders.” While adding more female leaders is perfectly fine, in the legitimate cases where a reasonable candidate exists. The reason so many Korean gamers are up in arms, is that they firmly believe anyone with even a basic knowledge of their history would understand that Queen Seondeok doesn’t fit that bill.

A totally separate issue is simply how the Queen is being physically portrayed by the American developer. With many people suggesting she simply doesn’t even look ethnically Korean. See for yourself here below. On the left is an image of the Queen as she is portrayed in modern Korean made media, the left is the version the Western game developer came up with.

Some of the best comments are actually in Korean of course. With this one asking in reference to the odd character design choice “Is this Queen from Africa?”

Others though cut right to the point, such as this comment which translates to, “We do not need your rubbish west social justice.” A sentiment I am sure oddly enough many of us reading here in the West would also agree with.

http://squawker.org/culture-wars/sjwciv/
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Tue Dec 05 15:08:14
"It's not a conspiracy theory to point out that digital media caters to SJWs, whether it be an arbitrary "non-binary" Overwatch character"

To be honest, big media has always tried to cater to _everyone_ or dam near everyone, the product as we know can become very bland, generic, retarded, you name it, we go it. Just that right not _everyone_ has hit it's non-binary absurdity level. I think you will have different wings and group in the gaming industry as well. We just need to replace the old new media like Google with a freedom alternative. Fro.. Froogle? Freegle? YES! Freegle!
jergul
large member
Tue Dec 05 17:44:33
Forwyn
"17 year old Skylar" Lulz.

You CT-nutter.

I guess you need to grasp at any straw to take your mind off the current US budget.



Forwyn
Member
Tue Dec 05 20:54:43
I suppose it's a CT to note that NPR and HuffPo are lionizing SJW and activists encroachment into video games.

Lulzgul dropping the one-liners like they're rebuttals. Lulzgul.
jergul
large member
Tue Dec 05 21:01:28
Foreskin
Hey, manipulating tags is fun!

Your crew actually impacts on games the same way it does television - with a puritanical vengance (ESRB).

Its CT to imagine SJW and activis "enroachment". But at least you will always have 17 year old Skylar.

Lol.
Forwyn
Member
Tue Dec 05 21:19:03
Muh whataboutisms aside, because the ESRB is a private organization that rates games to avoid nanny state idiots regulating them, keep pretending it's only teenagers making indie games. Meanwhile, the OP is still glaring.

What an autistic fuck you are, lulzgul
Cherub Cow
Member
Tue Dec 05 21:20:48
Forwyn it's clearly a Conspiracy Theory (CT) nutter logic for anyone to have directed anything. In reality, Conspiracy Theory Theories (CTTs) tend to be made by monsoon behavior in the South Pacific. It would also be Conspiracy Theory Theory Theory Theories (CTTTTs) for it to be possible for people with economic power to use that power to direct culture by influencing mass media with bad conscience — that is, SJWs do not exist, and it's Conspiracy Theory Theory Theory Theory Theory Theory (CTTTTTT) nutter logic to presume that anyone but white male cis scum would perceive that they exist, and this perspective that SJWs do not influence pop culture is in no way completely fucking retarded.
Dukhat
Member
Tue Dec 05 23:39:13
Man, Forwyn is so reactionary. I bet he never even reads NPR or Huffingtonpost. It's all imagined enemies from all side as portrayed by his little slice of alt-right internet.

Get out some more and don't be so judgmental.

You stupid cuck.
jergul
large member
Wed Dec 06 00:58:38
CC
Note the difference between "influence pop culture" and "enroachment into video games".

SJWs influence pop culture as indeed they are part of it. A midget Andy Warhol so to speak.

This is the thing about you radical conservatives. You don't get proportionality or scale.
jergul
large member
Wed Dec 06 01:09:31
Forwyn
Sometimes "whataboutisms" are quite valid. In this case I asked "What organization actually does influence game form and content?".

I get your hatred however. You are so conclusively fucked. And don't want to be upset with the 1%, because that is uncool, not rugged individualist.

So you lash out. Sad. So sad.
Cherub Cow
Member
Wed Dec 06 05:38:51
[jergul]: “Note the difference between "influence pop culture" and "enroachment into video games".”

And it would be foolish to think that SJWs do not influence both pop culture and video games or that major organizations do not influence game form and content with a specific catering to SJW outcry (or that those organizations do not themselves staff SJWs as an ill-conceived attempt to keep up with the times).

..
[jergul]: “This is the thing about you radical conservatives.”

Hopefully this was just name-calling into the wind, since I think it is pretty well established that beyond syphilitic perceptions there are not actually any radical conservatives in this forum. And more specifically, if you thought that I was one, then you may be mentally retarded.
Trolly
Member
Wed Dec 06 05:48:41
I'm so libertarian. *sips tea*
jergul
large member
Wed Dec 06 06:01:23
CC
You may want to practice a bit of introspection if you find your views rad in any way. You align nicely with radical conservative perspectives (that don't exist in this forum). Careful looking into the abyss and all that. I attribute your changing personality with spending too much time looking for odd video clips.

Or is it just cool these days to be detached and ironic about things like income inequality and feminism?

I am familiar with chaos theory and of course butterflies flapping their wings "influence" game form and content.

But just not in a significant way. Alpha testers have a far more profound impact for example, or rating agencies, or even local and national legislation (or are you attributing the lack of Nazi symbolism in games released in German to SJW? Probably).

Or in sum: Your changing personality is giving credence to a CT of something horrible in your drinking water.
hood
Member
Wed Dec 06 07:29:17
CC: "It's outright stupid to think that social movements have no impact on video games."

Jergul: "LOL YOU'RE PRACTICALLY A NAZI WITH YOUR RADICAL CONSERVATIVE CRAP! The only people who affect video games are legislators and the industry itself!"


Yep. Society doesn't affect video games or other media whatsoever. It has never happened. Only the almighty government pen could ever have an impact on people who try to cater to the entertainment value of others.
jergul
large member
Wed Dec 06 07:33:49
Hood
And now JSW are "society". Such a lack of perspective and proportion. Sad, so sad.
hood
Member
Wed Dec 06 08:11:20
Methinks the scurvy is getting to you.
jergul
large member
Wed Dec 06 12:30:20
Hood
Thats the spirit! At least youthinks. Or say you are. Progress!
Nimatzo
iChihuaha
Wed Dec 06 12:31:44
When it is something I agree with it is a ”systemic issue” or harmful norms/lack of diversity, but if it is something I disagree with it is conspiracy theory logic of the extreme right.

I being your generic left winger/socialist without a clue.
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