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FoxNEWS
Member
Wed Dec 06 05:24:33
Stephan Bannon, another child molester supporter went after Mitt Romney in regards to his non-participation in the Vietnam War and his sons not joining the military.

Of course this Trumpicantard white nationalist forgets that Trump never served, nor did his sons...

Trumpicantards ignore that fact and rejoice!
patom
Member
Wed Dec 06 06:13:43
The Twitterman comes from a long line of draft dodgers. His Grand Father ran from Germany to avoid serving in the military there. I don't believe his father ever served.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Dec 06 11:14:17
Trump did go to military school (because he was such a bad kid) plus there was his personal Vietnam of dodging STDs
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Dec 06 11:52:08

He was never called up for the draft.

I can't see anyone in his position signing up when he didn't have to.


Can you?

swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Wed Dec 06 12:02:42
"I can't see anyone in his position signing up when he didn't have to.


Can you?"

and that's why the US lost the war and ran out of there with it's tail between it's legs.
if trunp would have fought,he'd have kept America great.
instead he has to make it great now to atone for his cowardice.
Daemon
Member
Wed Dec 06 12:16:58
A real asshole:

http://edi...ney-vietnam-alabama/index.html

"Judge Moore has more honor and integrity in a pinkie finger than your family has in its whole DNA," Bannon added.
Cold Rod
Member
Wed Dec 06 14:03:37
"He was never called up for the draft.

I can't see anyone in his position signing up when he didn't have to.


Can you?"

So you're saying that Bannon is wrong then.
patom
Member
Wed Dec 06 14:19:22
If I'm not mistaken we still have to sign up with the Selective Service for the Draft in case it is ever re instated.
Cold Rod
Member
Wed Dec 06 14:23:50
shhhh. Hot Rod hates facts.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Dec 06 18:19:38

That is true, but I do not see your point.

hood
Member
Wed Dec 06 20:06:47
"Cold Rod
shhhh. Hot Rod hates facts.

Hot Rod
That is true, but I do not see your point."

Hot Rod confirms that he hates facts.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Dec 06 20:18:23

Hot Rod shakes his head and walks away looking for a quiet place to wait for patom to answer his post.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Wed Dec 06 22:07:37
Trump's draft record:
http://lh3...LAKHZ_h5zTEfQaZKdml73IlzoiZeww
the "2-S"s are student deferments
the "1-A"s his brief eligibility
the "1-Y" was his 'bone spurs' diagnosis (despite him being involved in many sports during those "2-S"s that just finished)

...and the 'yxx' suggesting he has an extra chromosome
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Dec 06 22:10:58

Lots of people with physical deferments were physically active.

jergul
large member
Thu Dec 07 00:27:42
Romney did serve for 2.5 years. I am not joking. From his perspective. No free education or medical coverage comes from it, nor pay either.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Dec 07 03:15:04

Unless you are considering his work as a missionary to be 'service' you are wrong.


"During the U.S. military draft for the Vietnam War, Romney sought and received two 2-S student deferments, then a 4-D ministerial deferment while living in France as a Mormon missionary. He later sought and received two additional student deferments.[28][50] When those ran out, the result of the December 1969 draft lottery where he drew number 300 ensured he would not be drafted."

jergul
large member
Thu Dec 07 03:24:21
HR
That is exactly what I meant. Service to God mormon style is quite a commitment. And he did that 2.5 times over (usually a year if memory serves - or 6 months. I am not sure).

He served from his perspective. I have to accept that in the same way I think Quakers doing farmwork in times of war is fine.

God seems to agree. Given the lottery outcome.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Dec 07 03:40:06

Didn't Trump have a similar lottery outcome?

jergul
large member
Thu Dec 07 04:02:06
If you mean he was unfit to serve, then yes.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Dec 07 04:07:16

I mean at the end where he could have been drafted but his number did not come up.

Cold Rod
Member
Thu Dec 07 04:18:58
So Bannon is wrong then and he is a hypocrite as well as any other Trump supporters that finds this line of questioning of servitude to America a fault. Because Trump nor his sons served.
American Democrat
Member
Thu Dec 07 04:28:27
Hot Rod a question for you, concerning the OP.

Do you not find it hypocritical to criticize Romney and his sons and not Trump and his sons, or better question, even bring it up at all as a point?
patom
Member
Thu Dec 07 05:22:33
During WWII, correct me if I'm wrong, sons of the rich often volunteered and served in combat. That war had us entering with the least preparedness in the last century.
From the time we entered Dec. 1941 to VJ day was 3 years 10 months.
We were involved in a total global war in all the oceans 3 continents and countless islands. Against major entrenched opponents with well trained and equipped forces.
We totally defeated Germany, Japan and Italy.
At the end of the war we were able to institute the Marshal plan that was hugely instrumental in the recovery of Europe. We were able to send all our vets to College that were willing to go, with the benefits of a well educated populace.

In Vietnam we started slow with advisers etc. and steadily built to over 1/4 million troops in a country with No Navy, No Air Force and a ragtag Army of Gorilla Fighters. The rich and famous made it a point of keeping their children safe at home. They also invested heavily into war related industries. How long where we there? 14, 15 years?

Here we are 16 or so years involved in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, and it seems the Twitterman want us in the middle of another fight in Israel. How many of the rich and famous have their children serving in harms way?

Just a thought that maybe if the rich and famous were made to invest their blood in the outcome of wars instead of their profit margins. These wars would be done and over with a hell of a lot faster.

Take Afghanistan for instance. If we had operated there like we did in WWII with the superiority in military forces that we have. We should have had that country totally under control in a matter of months. The rich and wealthy would have insured that the war was brought to a speedy conclusion in order to get their loved ones back to safe civilian life.

But no, the Hot Rods of this country seem to feel that the rich and wealthy have worked so hard for their wealth that they should not have to put any skin into the game. In fact they put too much of their hard earned money into the game. We, their vassals should supply the cannon fodder for their long drawn out wars with no end game, except the making of money off of these wars.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Dec 07 06:39:41

patom, Pence's son is currently serving and he himself served. There are probably a few more. Biden for one I believe.



Here is the last paragraph of a long article. I didn't read it but skimming it I think it may answer some questions on the subject.


"Donald N. Zillman, “Where Have All the Soldiers Gone II: Military Veterans in Congress and the State of Civil-Military Relations,” Maine Law Review (2006) (publication forthcoming). Seventy percent of Congress were veterans in 1969. Twenty-five percent were veterans in the Congress of 2004."


http://www...ch-famous-uniform-wbna12990432

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Dec 07 06:49:22

BTW, I do think Bannion went too far.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Dec 07 06:53:18
*-Bannon
American Democrat
Member
Thu Dec 07 08:04:41
That is the right answer.
patom
Member
Thu Dec 07 08:09:28
I didn't realize that Pence was a billionaire, I think he's one of their minions but not so sure of his wealth level.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Dec 07 08:12:03

"Just a thought that maybe if the rich and famous were made to invest their blood in the outcome of wars instead of their profit margins."


Not a billionaire, but he is certainly known to a great many people.

hood
Member
Thu Dec 07 08:40:43
Why do we think being a soldier makes one adept at politics?
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Dec 07 08:49:17

I don't think that is the current question. We are talking about the rich and famous doing their part.


patom thinks more of them should do their stretch in the military.

I agree, but I can understand why they may not want to because they are assured of a comfortable life with daddy's money. Hell, they might even end up being productive like Romney and Trump.



hood
Member
Thu Dec 07 08:59:17
"I don't think that is the current question."

It's almost like I was posing a different, related question.
patom
Member
Thu Dec 07 10:06:09
The question is, as far as I'm concerned, would we still be involved in these long protracted wars or whatever you want to label them as, if the Billionaires or the 1% who profit from them were sending their children to fight on the front lines with the possibility of coming into harms way.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Dec 07 10:24:08

Not sure I have an answer or even an opinion on that particular question.

I'm not sure how much influence they have when it comes to stopping a war.

If you are talking about the military-industrial complex, I think that would depend on the particular industrialist.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Dec 07 10:27:18
recall Trump's ridiculous 'astonishingly excellent' doctor's note during the campaign... he's so used to bullshit doctor's notes he wasn't even embarrassed to release that one like anyone else would've been
patom
Member
Thu Dec 07 11:07:33
The military-industrial complex that we were warned about by Ike in the 50's has pretty much taken control and are allied with the Insurance and Pharmaceutical and banking interests of this country. They own the Representatives that we send to D.C. and our state capitals, lock stock and barrel.
werewolf dictator
Member
Sun Dec 10 16:54:52
patom voted for hillary but wonders why usa gets involved in wars
jergul
large member
Sun Dec 10 23:46:32
Hood
Military service demonstrates a willingness to do public service when it does not benefit you.

Patom
That is a good point. We know that in just wars (wwii for example), the elite loses a disproportionate number of its youth.

The reverse seems true in unjust wars.
patom
Member
Mon Dec 11 07:26:21
werewolf, I did vote for Clinton. I was a delegate for Bernie Sanders at our state Democrat convention but he unfortunately didn't get the nomination. I would gladly vote for him and still believe he would have won the election over the Twitterman.

I wonder who was in office when we went to war in Afghanistan and Iraq?

We didn't start the Afghanistan War. They did when they refused to hand over bin Laden. IMO we blew the perfect opportunity to turn that country into the poster child for what it would cost to harbor terrorists that attack the USA. But then there wouldn't have been enough money made by the military/industrial complex.

We totally fucked up when we went into Iraq on BS info.
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Mon Dec 11 10:10:46
"We didn't start the Afghanistan War. They did when they refused to hand over bin Laden.
IMO we blew the perfect opportunity to turn that country into the poster child for what it would cost to harbor terrorists that attack the USA."

lol
Hrothgar
Member
Tue Dec 12 22:10:12
"We totally fucked up when we went into Iraq on BS info."

Yep.

Afghanistan was justified in every way. Iraq was utter folly.

And we should have packed up the entire operation and went home after killing Bin Laden leaving behind nothing but a huge pile of Taliban skulls and the US flag on a pole embedded in the middle of it.
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