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Utopia Talk / Politics / President Trump Just Fulfilled Another
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Dec 06 12:59:51

Promise by declaring that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel in the eyes of The United States and by putting in motion the mechanism for building a new Embassy there.

Hrothgar
Member
Wed Dec 06 13:01:20
But why? What is the point? Is there some useful reason to piss off the world and stir obvious anger towards Israel and the US?
Average European
Member
Wed Dec 06 13:11:29
Oh dear, what shall the world do?!

http://www...w9c4jHaY&feature=youtu.be&t=13

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Dec 06 13:12:05

As I understand it he communicated with the major players what he planned to do. Of course, the Palestinians and their buddies would object to the plan.

What it does is nail down another certainty in the process. The Palestinians wanted Israel out of Jerusalem and that was not going to happen. Israel is the only country in the last 4,000 or so years has ever had the city as their capital.


BTW, since it is a shared city there is nothing that I am aware of that would prevent the Palestinians from making it their capital too.

So now it is no longer a sticking point or at least not a very big one.

swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Wed Dec 06 13:23:52
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQYt8F8W4AAVPL-.jpg
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Dec 06 13:30:18

He was right about a lot of things, I hope he is wrong about this one.

I hope they do find peace.

Forwyn
Member
Wed Dec 06 13:46:26
"Is there some useful reason to piss off the world and stir obvious anger towards Israel and the US?"

Deus Vult
Paramount
Member
Wed Dec 06 14:04:03
Maybe Abbas will recognize Washington DC as the capital of Israel. And then the Jews and the Americans decide where their borders will be. I hope there can be peace.
Pillz
Member
Wed Dec 06 14:09:07
"Israel is the only country in the last 4,000 or so years has ever had the city as their capital. "

That's false, as there was no Jewish state or kingdom in existence for the majority of those 4000 years.

The Zionist ideal of a Jewish state is also new, and wholly contradictory to about 1700 years of Jewish cultural traditions.

So realistically, these Israeli nationalists, or Zionists, haven't got a claim to the city except by appropriating past historical associations with the city from historically mainline Jewish culture.
Brainy UPer
Member
Wed Dec 06 14:10:09
Check out the big brain on Pillz!
CrownRoyal
Member
Wed Dec 06 14:18:11
when is the US embassy moving? I can't find the details in the news. Did they set the date?
CrownRoyal
Member
Wed Dec 06 14:20:58
nm, I got it

"Though he did not mention it, Mr. Trump signed the same national security waiver signed by his predecessors, from Barack Obama to George W. Bush to Bill Clinton, which will allow the administration to keep the embassy in Tel Aviv for an additional six months. White House officials said that was unavoidable because it would take several years to move the embassy staff to a new facility in Jerusalem."


I say the odds are better than even that the embassy move does not happen
Forwyn
Member
Wed Dec 06 14:23:18
"So realistically, these Israeli nationalists, or Zionists, haven't got a claim to the city except by appropriating past historical associations with the city from historically mainline Jewish culture."

Just as much a claim as most countries in the world. They took it. They hold it.

Yeah, we can have a conversation about the illegal birth of the nation, or the terrorism that contributed to its defense, but Israel undoubtedly offers more to the world than their Muzzie neighbors.
Muzzlefree.com
Member
Wed Dec 06 14:24:51
I was a friend of JB.
jergul
large member
Wed Dec 06 14:36:08
Forwyn
Amongst the offerings is US aid. What would the world do without countries willing to accept that?

Otherwise: Israel is just another Russian colony. Rebellious perhaps, but fuelled by the same demografics that fuel Russian politics.

The difference lies in the free monies from abroad (20k USD per capita per year last I checked).
jergul
large member
Wed Dec 06 14:39:45
oh, and 12.5 by 2020. I knew I could count on Trump.
Sam Adams
Member
Wed Dec 06 14:48:14
Lol. Rough day for liberals, appeasers, and terrorists.
American Democrat
Member
Wed Dec 06 14:53:58
To fundamentally ignore how this does not help the process in regards to stability and also ignore that fact of the consequences that may follow, also including putting more US personnel in harms way unnecessarily. Displays the lack of any rational thought process other than appease a persons ego and satisfy the base and not look out for the country as a whole.
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Wed Dec 06 15:01:13
"Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided."

http://www...ory/story.php?storyId=91150432
CrownRoyal
Member
Wed Dec 06 15:18:13
effectively nothing changes, from what I am reading. There is still no US recognition of any territories israel got in 1967, including parts of jerusalem and donald didn't introduce any new terms there. There is already US law of 1995 that declares jerusalem an undivided capital of israel, thats why all US presidents have to sign these waivers every six months, explaining why they are not moving the embassy. So this is a typican donald move, lots of noise for maximum outrage and not much actual change
Forwyn
Member
Wed Dec 06 15:21:39
"The difference lies in the free monies from abroad (20k USD per capita per year last I checked)."

Are you suggesting there aren't several Muzzie neighbors overflowing with cash, much of it from abroad?
Paramount
Member
Wed Dec 06 15:23:01
Why does the USA need to have a law that declares Jerusalem the capital of Israel?

Does the USA have a law that declares London the capital of the U.K? Or Oslo the capital of Norway?
hood
Member
Wed Dec 06 15:23:09
Why do people care about this?
CrownRoyal
Member
Wed Dec 06 15:37:35
"Why do people care about this?"

probably because this might lead to bloodshed. Nothing new of course, somebody is always getting killed over there, mostly palestinians. But this would be unnecessary spike, since nothing effectively changes.
jergul
large member
Wed Dec 06 16:13:03
Forwyn
2000* that includes all aid transfers globally.





Dukhat
Member
Wed Dec 06 16:17:14
What's going to happen is that this will radicalize some Muslims and also reinvigorate existing terrorist groups.

Expect more attacks in Israel as Trump has delegitimized moderate factions with his bravado. And also more US citizens being targeted.

Then when we get attacked, he'll turn around and say, "See the muslim ban was needed. Democrats are weak on terrorism."

It's so fucking clownish and works with 40% of the country.
obaminated
Member
Wed Dec 06 16:30:28
Cuckhat wouldnt have dropped nukes on japan, itd only reinvigorate them.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Dec 06 18:30:42

President Trump has set in motion the actual acquiring of land and the designing and building of an Embassy in Jerusalem.

That will take up to, three to five years.


This is a done deal.

jergul
large member
Wed Dec 06 19:31:09
That took 20 odd years to do in Norway HR.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Dec 06 19:36:55

I don't doubt that.


But, on this one President Trump is dealing with the Jews.

Sam Adams
Member
Wed Dec 06 19:49:10
Cuckhat is the ultimate cuck.

Did that fucking coward seriously just say we shouldnt do something because he is scared that the enemy might get angry?
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Dec 06 19:52:47

That's what it looked like to me.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Dec 06 19:54:12

jergul, just kidding.

Trump is a builder, that is why it won't take so long.

Dukhat
Member
Wed Dec 06 20:36:41
What's the point of moving the Embassy to Jerusalem? It doesn't accomplish shit for American goals.

Trolling is not a legitimate reason to enact a significant change to international policy but Sam would find it hard to understand as someone who is a troll.

And Hot Rod would find it hard to understand because he's an old booger with no critical thinkin skills left.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Dec 06 20:48:09

I told you why he did what he did in my second post.

Sure it is going to piss off his enemies of which you are one, but he has a very good reason and it will work out as he predicts.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed Dec 06 20:51:08

BTW, I think my critical thinking skills are far superior to your, 'we're all gonna die' rant.

Forwyn
Member
Wed Dec 06 22:30:54
Deus Vult, in hoc signo vinces
jergul
large member
Wed Dec 06 23:18:57
Dukhat
HR just said that it will be the first US embassy to file for bankrupcy.

The point: For the lulz.

Forwyn
What a great motto for a pogrom.
Forwyn
Member
Thu Dec 07 00:25:03
Muh poor Muzzies, if only they had more money
jergul
large member
Thu Dec 07 00:32:22
Muh poor Israel, if only it had more money. I know!

It needs lobbyists in Washington.
jergul
large member
Thu Dec 07 03:13:54
WASHINGTON (The Borowitz Report)—In a new poll conducted on Wednesday, a sweeping majority of Americans said they support moving Donald J. Trump to Jerusalem.

The sixty-three per cent of survey respondents who approved relocating Trump to Jerusalem placed few conditions on such a move, other than that it take place “as soon as possible” and that it be “permanent.”

In other poll results, an overwhelming majority of respondents said that they would support relocating Trump to any number of other foreign destinations, including Russia, the Philippines, and “that station where scientists live at the South Pole.”

Though Americans were strongly enthusiastic about moving Trump to Jerusalem, in a rare consensus both Arabs and Israelis vehemently opposed the move.

Andy Borowitz is the New York Times best-selling author of “The 50 Funniest American Writers,” and a comedian who has written for The New Yorker since 1998. He writes the Borowitz Report, a satirical column on the news, for newyorker.com.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Dec 07 03:16:52

Did they ask any Trump supporters?

jergul
large member
Thu Dec 07 11:28:05
MOSCOW, December 7. /TASS/. Israeli Ambassador to Russia, Gary Koren, has welcomed Moscow’s stance on a possible relocation of the Russian embassy in Israel to West Jerusalem from Tel Aviv in case all the problems related to the status of the Palestinian territories are settled.

"God grant this happens," he said on Thursday when TASS asked him to comment on the words of the Russian Ambassador to Israel, Alexander Shein, who said the Russian embassy could be moved to Jerusalem after the problem of the city’s status was settled.

"Russia has very strong presence in Israel, including Jerusalem," Koren said. "It has real estate there, for instance, the St Sergius’s mission."

"Our ties have been flourishing in recent years and the numbers of tourists and pilgrims are growing," Koren said. "We hail the fact."

Earlier on Thursday, Ambassador Shein said that, on the practical plane, the Russian embassy could be moved to West Jerusalem from Tel Aviv after final settlement of all the problems around the status of Palestinian territories.

He stressed along with it Russia’s hope that Israel and the Palestinians would resolve the problem of Jerusalem’s status at bilateral talks, adding that Moscow was not going to impose any decisions on the parties concerned.

Donald Trump said on Wednesday time had come to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of the Jewish state. He instructed the Department of State to begin preparations for the relocation of the American embassy to Jerusalem from Tel Aviv.

The status of Jerusalem is one of the key problems of the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. Israeli forces occupied the eastern part of the city in the course of the Six-Day War in 1967.

Israel insists on Jerusalem being its only and indivisible capital. Palestinians, in their turn, seek to make East Jerusalem the capital of their independent state.


More:
http://tass.com/world/979742
Paramount
Member
Thu Dec 07 12:03:33
Israel? Israel does not even exist. They only pretend to be a state. A nation state has borders. Israel has refused to say where their borders are.
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