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The Children
Member
Thu Dec 14 06:46:53
BULLSHITTERY ERASED WITH THIS SINGLE FLICK!!!

i can only say this. this movie has made me excited since the days of inception, interstellar, so u know its been LONG TIME.

TCs thumbs of approval 9 out of 10.

Fuck force awakens lamery
The Children
Member
Thu Dec 14 06:52:01
its SUPERIOR to force awakens in every way. it erased force awakens bullshit plotholes and story bullshit. its a stand alone star wars movie. it introduces tons of new characters. it has real action not that rey bullshit i taught myself crap.

my only complaint, opening scene. thats bullshit. and ofc reys unphantomable i taughtmyself jedi skillz at the end.

Wrath of Orion
Member
Thu Dec 14 06:52:44
Keep your retarded movie bullshit on the Movie board, multi.
The Children
Member
Thu Dec 14 06:56:12
lets say from the moment the real action begins with the first order vs rebel fleet, rey had like what 4-5 days of training? apparently she is a real jedi now, son.

i also dunt like snokes story...i dunno, it feels kinda lamo anti climatic.

also at the end, leia hugged chewie. i guess the tons of hate mail received from the first movie, the makers finally realized whatsup.
The Children
Member
Thu Dec 14 06:58:41
wrath of multi moron thinks his opinion matters. it doesnt.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Dec 14 07:53:47

Jedi's learn fast.


TC, so you think wrath is an imbecile too. I always thought you were smarter than they said you were.

McKobb
Member
Thu Dec 14 09:34:30
http://youtu.be/2Qydd0Ow-5o
smart dude
Member
Thu Dec 14 14:20:07
*MAJOR SPOILERS*

*LIKE SERIOUSLY GTFO IF YOU DON'T WANT THIS MOVIE ABSOLUTELY RUINED*

So anyway, not a bad movie at all, and I agree with a lot of reviewers who have called it the best since Empire (not that that says very much, really).

Just watched it so don't have a lot to say right now. The biggest flaw with the film was Finn. Who despite getting a decent amount of screen time DOESN'T DO ANYTHING. He embarks on a failed mission to turn of a tracking device on the First Order flagship (snore...) and then fails at disabling the weird cannon thing on the ice/salt planet. The character does absolutely nothing to further the plot but since he was a major character in the first film, I guess you have to work him into the story somehow.

Also not surprised to see Star Wars continue its long tradition of killing off major characters. In this case, of course, Luke Skywalker. Also Leia (who apparently was supposed to have a major role in episode 9) is a no-go. I'm not sure how in the hell they're going to re-write her out of the final episode. It won't be easy. It will be clumsy as fuck, but, whatever, shit happens.

Anyway, very good movie imo.

The Children
Member
Thu Dec 14 16:18:05
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzKI9TBR-XQ
obaminated
Member
Thu Dec 14 23:31:20
Wait luke dies? The script i read had him captured and kylo and rey were off to save him like Han.
Aeros
Member
Fri Dec 15 18:44:19
Good movie. The porgs are a shameless merchandising addition though.
CrownRoyal
Member
Fri Dec 15 18:45:13
I wanted to go see it but alas I am in Mexico. Maybe I can take an Uber to cancun and watch it
smart dude
Member
Sat Dec 16 14:23:13
I'm not bothered by the porgs. There hasn't been a single Star Wars film to date that hasn't included some form of shameless merchandising.
werewolf dictator
Member
Sat Dec 16 16:48:01
5.0 metacritic user rating.. 57% rotten tomatoes audience score
Aeros
Member
Sat Dec 16 20:16:57
Having thought about it, I am kinda stumped as to wtf Disney is doing continuity wise. The first movie of this new series left a ton of plot holes. Like, WTF happened to the New Republic. Why is there a Resistance? And it was implied the New Republic was just resting on its laurels and ignoring the remnants of the Galactic Empire (The New Order), and the Resistance was a localized rebellion in Imperial space.

But now in the second movie the New Order has apparently won and the New Republic is no more? Literally how? Did Star Killer base blow up Corouscant and the entire Republic Navy with it? That was never implied in the first movie. And how is the local resistance to the new order now a galaxy wide rebel alliance again? For that matter, how is Rey training? Luke literally just taught her how to "breath" and "reach out with the force". At least with Yoda there was a training montage with him riding lukes back. But instead the entire movie is Luke being a grumpy old man and ignoring Rey.

Its like the screenwriters never saw the previous 6 Star Wars films, or did and are just ignoring them.
Hrothgar
Member
Sat Dec 16 23:00:32
Are people ready for spoilers here yet? Because I want to talk about this movie.

I didn't think I'd see it until next week... and then:

1- boss surprised us with tickets a vendor gave him so saw it Friday morning. LOVED it.

2- got home for work and wife was ready to kill the kids, so took them out, figured what the hell, and we front row seated it so they could see it. Started thinking... hmmmmmm

3- Pal this morning had another friend bail on an already purchased ticket, invited to see it for free plus met for breakfast. Mostly went for seeing some friends and chatting at breakfast, but saw it a 3rd time. Now I'm like... wtf, this story has serious issues from deeper perspective than just pop corn flick perspective.

Oh, it's worth seeing. And if you liked Star Wars in general I think you get your monies worth seeing it.

But seriously, how did this version of the story make it to the top of what you know was a heap of possibilities?
Hrothgar
Member
Sat Dec 16 23:42:52
Ok since spoilers posted above, here is my commentary at the wtf where they thinking moments:

****SPOILERS BE YE WARNED****
****SPOILERS BE YE WARNED****
****SPOILERS BE YE WARNED****




1- First moment I thought really should have been done differently: Princess Leah force pulling herself back into the ship after being spaced. Just felt goofy/weird. I get they were trying to show that she's pretty damn strong with the force herself... but they should have done it with that scene by having her subconscious reaction to the bridge being blown open being to use the force somehow to hold the integrity of the bridge together long enough for rescue teams to get the leadership out, then have her collapse in a seriously injured condition from the exertion of force holding that piece of the ship together. Something like that would have been so much superior.

2- Luke being a regretful, emo, limp dick bastard. On first glance I didn't mind the direction they went... but seriously, we were cheated from ever getting to see "Luke the Legend" kick some ass in the flesh.

3- The entire mutiny mission to save the fleet (Fin and Rose) ended up being pointless. Even worse than pointless, directly lead to the loss of most of the remaining resistance. Did they mean it to carry that message to the viewer? Because it didn't unless you read into it yourself. They kind of just glazed it over that they failed, oh snap. Next scene. Without any direct link to the weight of the consequence. Went over most people's heads. So either the movie creators didn't make that plot link themselves, or they assumed people would get it, but wasn't written well enough for most to be able to. They really, really needed to give that mission some consequence dialog after if failed.

4- Luke exerting himself so hard to mind trick from light years away he transcended to "Force Ghosthood". Again, they really needed to have a movie with Luke kicking ass in the flesh. The dialog did mention "purpose" in his Force Ghostyness, so I'm sure his Force Ghost will be in the next movie heavily helping along the new franchise members... but that's just not the same imo.

5- Force Ghost Yoda's dialog was a bit weird. In the same vein as spaced, flying Leah. Could not writers get that scene into enough order to clearly state exactly why, really, it's time for the Jedi to end? Beyond emo Luke just can't handle it anymore?

6- Why the hell was the 'next in command' Admiral chick keeping her plans secret on how to save everyone? Instead of just telling Poe, when he asked, "hey we're going to stealth shuttle the hell off this boat and get to a safe haven", she kept it all hush hush while Poe freaked the hell out and spawned the mutiny mission.

Anyhow, it might sound like I'm shitting all over this movie - but really I do like it. I'll watch it more as much as I do the others. It's certainly far better than the prequels. I think it's worth seeing certainly, but there really were some missed opportunities with the original cast and I think it's clear now that Disney's effort to link the original trilogy with this new one is going to be on the level of a good try that missed it's mark.
The Children
Member
Sun Dec 17 02:05:07
yea storywise its still lamo but waaaaayy better than force awakens lamery.

and the direction the force awakens went to...left a bad taste. and all of that is erased. booya, bitches.

what i hated:

- rey self taught jedi herself in 3-4 days.
- rose finn adventure led to nowhere.
- snoke, why.
- luke vs kylo as promised ended kinda lame. they shuldve fought and fought and fought and at the end, thats where luke shuldve died after spending everything he had. i heard mark hamill is very confrontational and likes to talk alot of shit about the new star wars movie in front of audiences...maybe thats why they kicked him out the movie. to silence him. so they dunt gotta work with him nomore in movie 3.

The Children
Member
Sun Dec 17 02:05:43
i hated opening scene aswell. lone poe fighter against a super ship? i mean wtf?
Aeros
Member
Sun Dec 17 10:07:44
*SPOILERS*

If it was a stand alone movie and the Finn/Rose storyline was completely removed it would have been a really good movie.

Unfortunately its not a stand alone movie. These new films were already playing fast and loose with the story progression from the Prequels, but its like they ignored Force Awakens as well.

The whole set up for Snoke. They never once explained who he is or what his deal is. They just killed him off like a bitch.

Reys parentage. You come from nothing. Fucking NO. This is not how Fantasy works you fucking commies. Not everyone gets to be the uber hero. There has to be lineage. A hidden past that is the source of power. You can't just wave your hand and say random junker girl from nowhere shall be the most powerful force user in the Galaxy. Anakin Skywalker had a fucking Virgin birth, and Luke/Leiha were his kids. I'd like to think Kylo Ren was lying, but then I realize the people who wrote this shit are "subversive" English majors who are playing fast and loose with the Fantasy genre. They even set themselves up perfectly with the Dark Side Mirror. Imagine, those weird reflections, and at the very end looking back out from the other side of the Mirror was Emperor Palpatine, or fuck, maybe even Snoke. But nope. Just like her parentage, just nothing. Fucking Nothing.

When you consider this, their treatment of Luke makes much more sense. Its all part of their subversion of the Fantasy story. Luke perfected the Heroes Journey, going through trials and correcting his weaknesses to become the Hero. Yet in this movie the Writers totally deconstructed him. This Luke learned nothing from his previous heroes journey and is now a huge disappointment to the Stronk Womyn. And on the subject of Stronk Womyn, the resistance is very Gynocentric and the Men in the resistance seem to exist to foil their carefully laid plans or are all goofballs in need of saving. The New Order is of course totally run by Dudes, but they are Emo Bitch Boy and General Goofball Hux acting like idiot teenagers playing with big guns. Which is probably why Captain Phasma was studiously removed from the movies. Having a Stronk Womyn in the New Order just did not fit with the messaging they wanted to send here.

As for the Rose-Finn sequence, it exists entirely to be a criticism of Capitalism. Literally all its there for. It goes nowhere, and ends with their partner selling them out to the highest bidder.
Aeros
Member
Sun Dec 17 10:21:52
Just thinking about it more, and I am just getting angrier. So many subtle things in the movie that you don't notice if you turn your brain off and just watch the explosions. But a Day later its just making mad. I have no idea where they are going to go with the third film, and I don't think Disney knows either beyond continuing these overall themes.
Asgard
Member
Sun Dec 17 11:15:33
The fuck.
Snoke was scary and supposedly super powerful, Knew what Kylo Ren was thinking even, but did not know he was thinking of killing him?
What was that "I can see his thoughts" bullcrap?
The fuck.
Cthulhu
Tentacle Rapist
Sun Dec 17 19:08:08
I'll pass. I'd prefer too wait for the porno version
Hrothgar
Member
Sun Dec 17 20:00:39
Asgard, I felt ok with that part because basically he was sensing those emotions in Kylo, not realizing they were toward him vs. toward Ray.

But - still I agree very weird they would remove big scary Snoke already. The "This guy is a MAJOR character - PSYCH, no he's not and very minor" is another weird direction to take the story.

And how come no one writing this thought it would be worth explaining who the hell Snoke was and how he came to be?
Aeros
Member
Mon Dec 18 00:32:59
The story is being written by people who dont like the fantasy or sci fi genres I think. They really have no idea how it works and just how important lore and continuity is to holding a fantasy story together.
The Children
Member
Mon Dec 18 02:16:16
or they be trickin us into thinkin snoke is a goner. what i think, big mighty snoke is still alive.

bitch.

no fuckin way episode 9 is about ben kylo vs rey
jergul
large member
Mon Dec 18 02:26:49
"What was that "I can see his thoughts" bullcrap"

The movie made a point of that. Hence the lighsabre duplicating the movement Ren would have used killing the girl, but killing Snuke instead.

Sideways, then across.
jergul
large member
Mon Dec 18 02:30:50
Aeros
I think it more likely that a 1-time viewing did not let you catch all aspects of lore and continuity.

But you can google the writer bio if you like.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0426059/?ref_=nmbio_bio_nm
Hrothgar
Member
Mon Dec 18 03:20:11
I'm now holding out hope that Ray turns out to be something exceptional. Something beyond just a junker kid with the force. It makes no sense how she's just turning jedi master with no help.

She hinted at having seen that jedi tree library in dreams. Feels like she's been near the Jedi life before. Maybe they are going to surprise us with her turning out to be another force child type character? A Jedi reincarnate?

I dunno... I had all sorts of ideas of where they could take it on a deeper level before this movie. Then it just feels like they made a fun pop corn flick, but on a deeper level it's hollow, strange, and aggravating to those who really have loved the fantasy of the Skywalker story arc.
Aeros
Member
Mon Dec 18 12:33:18
"I think it more likely that a 1-time viewing did not let you catch all aspects of lore and continuity"

No, I caught it fine. Its the writers who did not catch it. The movies story is like the writers were given a checklist from a design committee at Disney and assiduously followed the list. Force Awakens was New Hope 1.5, but Last Jedi is its own thing. And it does not fit with any of the other Star Wars movies at all.

Hell, it does not fit with Force Awakens. All the hanging threads JJ Abrams left at the end of that movie are completely ignored. Its like the director and writers had a professional grudge against the FA crew and deliberately took a big steaming dump on their "bad" ideas.

Like Captain Phasma. It is patently obvious these new writers did not like the idea of a Woman being in a position of authority in the New Order. It goes against their need to insert Gender Struggle into the overarching narrative of a battle between Darkness and Light. Captain Phasma did not fit with the need for the Masculine to be the bad guys so she had to get killed off. They only put her in it because she was a fan favorite from FA, and she was on the checklist corporate sent them.
The Children
Member
Mon Dec 18 12:46:07
tbf we saw a whole lot more diversity in last jedi than force awakens.

i spotted asians, blacks and whites and non humanoids and women officiers in the last order and in the rebellion.

Aeros
Member
Mon Dec 18 12:59:35
Diversity is not the issue though. The issue is that it was a terrible movie. I've just been getting more and more mad as the days have gone on. What these writers did to Luke Skywalker, the heroic icon of our generation. I wonder if they orgasmed as they committed this act of iconoclasm.

http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1513551839821.webm
The Children
Member
Mon Dec 18 13:04:17
they prolly cut mark hamill out coz he was talkin shit about the new star wars movies every opportunity he got...

prolly thought it was best 2 eliminiate him from episode 9. agreed his ending was dumb.
Delude
Member
Mon Dec 18 14:36:17
More was good. Plot holes and sub plot holes and writing is what makes it not as good as force awakens.

TC's rating is stupid. Learn canon fucktard.
Delude
Member
Mon Dec 18 14:36:39
Movie* was good.
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