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FoxNEWS
Member Fri Dec 15 12:18:50
"Authorities say the footage captures Field's Challenger stopping about a block and a half away from protesters, reversing, then driving into the crow and speeding away in reverse."

Http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/14/us/charlottesville-james-alex-fields-court-appearence/index.html

Remember we had Trumpicantards or nazi sympthesizers claiming Fields was just musing his own business and was spooked that he was being attacked which caused him to crash accidentally into the crowd.

Forwyn
Member Fri Dec 15 13:13:42
lol

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/JBTIlGo541s/maxresdefault.jpg

Sam Adams
Member Fri Dec 15 13:20:40
So the government is basically lieing their asses off, trying to fuck over a person for political points. Jesus. Its like zimmerman.

Trolly McDick
Member Fri Dec 15 13:33:47
Forsebbed owned.

Trolly McDick
Member Fri Dec 15 13:38:33
"Backing up his car before accelerating into the crowd."

Lol forsebbed.

Trolly McDick
Member Fri Dec 15 13:40:30
Forseb says: "there is no possible way premeditation could be established."

Forwyn
Member Fri Dec 15 14:19:13
Car was struck before he ever hit the crowd. Let's see the video.

Trolly McDick
Member Fri Dec 15 14:27:21
Forseb says: "ill just make shit up"

Sam Adams
Member Fri Dec 15 14:29:40
There is clear evidence of antifas attacking his car. Whether this happened before or after the sjw died, i cannot say.

Forwyn
Member Fri Dec 15 14:31:51
Trolly says: "I ignore video and pictures in favor of CNN paragraphs"

Forwyn
Member Fri Dec 15 14:32:05
Trolly also says: "I'm Trolly McDick"

tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri Dec 15 14:37:06
that guy swinging at bumper seems to be around the 10 sec mark of this video... and the car already moving fairly quick w/ no indication of slowing with impact just about 2 secs after

so that particular attack certainly doesn't seem related, & there's not many people around the car early in that video when car already moving fast

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS9cbH_KfMw

Trolly McDick
Member Fri Dec 15 14:42:32
Forseb says: "i hate facts."

Forwyn
Member Fri Dec 15 15:31:50
"moving fairly quick"

Moving slow enough for a pedestrian to hit the car in the bumper in the same direction as the car. Looks like car slowed down in the intersection. lawl

swordtail
Anarchist Prime Fri Dec 15 15:35:04
Http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/14/us/charlottesville-james-alex-fields-court-appearence/index.html

Uh-oh!

It could be you, or it could be us, but there's no page here.

FoxNEWS
Member Fri Dec 15 15:37:12
http://www...ds-court-appearance/index.html

swordtail
Anarchist Prime Fri Dec 15 15:37:55
http://www...ds-court-appearance/index.html

Trolly McDick
Member Fri Dec 15 16:07:40
forseb says: "It's just an honest mistake."

Trolly McDick
Member Fri Dec 15 16:10:42
"The video shows counterprotesters gathered at Fourth and Water streets in downtown Charlottesville. A black pickup truck approaching the crowd pulled to the side of the road. A maroon van then stopped on the street in front of the crowd, and a Toyota Camry stopped behind the van. Fields’s Dodge approached the Camry from behind at a moderate speed. It then backed up, traveling more than a block, before accelerating forward at a rapid clip, ramming into the back of the Camry. Heyer and numerous other people were standing near the vehicles, and the collision sent bodies flying."

forseb says: "Just a sunday drive."

hood
Member Fri Dec 15 16:23:27
"Moving slow enough for a pedestrian to hit the car in the bumper in the same direction as the car"

Yeah, cause that's difficult.

tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri Dec 15 16:23:52
perception/reaction time is usually estimated around 1.5 secs

there's not enough time for him to notice that bumper hit and then accelerate to the speed of impact unless he was already going too fast

...not that I see any sign of him slowing down to begin with

Delude
Member Fri Dec 15 16:29:47
Breitbart gotta breitbart.

Forwyn
Member Fri Dec 15 16:36:15
"The video shows"

I mean, let's see it. I've left open the possibility that Fields is a premeditated murderer.

"Yeah, cause that's difficult."

Yes, striking a speeding car with a baseball bat in the same direction as the car's travel is easy. Please demonstrate with a video on the highway.

delude
Member Fri Dec 15 17:00:33
"I mean, let's see it. I've left open the possibility that Fields is a premeditated murderer. "

You are aware that was testimony given according to the article right, which caused the judge to make the decision to upgrade right, Then it is considered evidence right and will be used I court right? Maybe you should take a trip when the trial begins, yeah?

"Yes, striking a speeding car with a baseball bat in the same direction as the car's travel is easy. Please demonstrate with a video on the highway. "

Are you playing the game of just because it can't happen unless forwyn sees a video of said possibility?

Trolly McDick
Member Fri Dec 15 17:03:09
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgWM_NufDic

Guy flips over speeding car.

forseb says: "this can never happen. I wont ever believe it, I won't believe it, I can't believe it."

Stay tuned for a thread of forseb says.

Forwyn
Member Fri Dec 15 18:03:47
"right"
"right"
"yeah"

Okay? You point?

"Guy flips over speeding car."

LOL! So your equivalent trick would be to strike a passing car in the front bumper, you fucking idiot.

hood
Member Fri Dec 15 18:21:58
"Yes, striking a speeding car with a baseball bat in the same direction as the car's travel is easy"

I mean, do you understand even the most basic of physics? The car looked to be going maybe 20 mph? Baseball players swing their bats at about 70-80. It isn't unreasonable to think the average person can get a swing up to 40-50 mph. It becomes pretty trivial to catch the tail of a car when you can get an extremely quick rotational velocity at the end of said bat.

"Please demonstrate with a video on the highway."

Never go full retard.

tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri Dec 15 18:23:48
76.6 MPH - average speed of a bat swing

plus who says he was aiming for the bumper

tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri Dec 15 18:25:20
...hood's post wasn't there when I started :p

Forwyn
Member Fri Dec 15 18:29:05
"The car looked to be going maybe 20 mph?"

That's my point...

"76.6 MPH - average speed of a bat swing"

Average fast ball is 92, yet the average person doesn't come close to 70.

CrownRoyal
Member Fri Dec 15 18:31:02
Bat swing, forwyn. As in swinging the bat. Not throwing the baseball.

CrownRoyal
Member Fri Dec 15 18:31:33
I like to imagine myself as a baseball aficionado

tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri Dec 15 18:35:00
you can visibly see the kid swinging the bat... it's fast... and he barely catches the car... and you can see how close the car has gotten to the crowd in your own photo with no brake lights the entire unsafe drive toward them

Forwyn
Member Fri Dec 15 18:38:56
"Bat swing, forwyn. As in swinging the bat. Not throwing the baseball."

Stellar observation. Perhaps the point is that a skinny Antifa isn't swinging at MLB speeds, just as they're not throwing at MLB speeds.

CrownRoyal
Member Fri Dec 15 18:39:46
Pedro Martinez was skinny.

CrownRoyal
Member Fri Dec 15 18:40:13
^ aficionado

CrownRoyal
Member Fri Dec 15 18:41:48
Actually, now I see that I missed the point of your explanation. My mistake.

CrownRoyal
Member Fri Dec 15 18:42:45
I thought you confused bat swing speed with pitch speed. You did not

tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri Dec 15 18:47:32
car is probably going somewhere in the 20 to 30mph the entire time, start to final impact

let's all go out onto our local side streets and swing at cars and compare results

delude
Member Fri Dec 15 18:52:37
"Okay? You point? "

My point is that you demanding of seeing a video that was portrayed in a court proceeding to decide if the charge should be upgraded is stupid.

Because forwyn doesn't believe anything unless he sees it himself. AND if he did so would still declare something differently even if it is staring you in your face.

tldr version.

You're fucking moron.

Forwyn
Member Fri Dec 15 19:03:49
"My point is that you demanding of seeing a video that was portrayed in a court proceeding to decide if the charge should be upgraded is stupid."

Straw man.

"Because forwyn doesn't believe anything unless he sees it himself. AND if he did so would still declare something differently even if it is staring you in your face."

Straw man.

Here's me:

There's still cause for reasonable doubt. I acknowledge that the judge was convinced that this justified an upgrade. Regardless, his car was struck before he hit the crowd, and he never seemed to be going very fast in the relevant video.

However, this could be a clear-cut case of a premeditated murder.

Here's you:

Not good enough forseb! HURRRRRR! You need to pass judgement now! HURRRRRR fucking moron!

American Democrat
Member Fri Dec 15 19:11:32
"Regardless, his car was struck before he hit the crowd, and he never seemed to be going very fast in the relevant video. "

I'll jump in; What is "never seemed to going fast." What mph are you suggesting?

delude
Member Fri Dec 15 19:16:46
"Straw man. "

No x2.

"There's still cause for reasonable doubt. I acknowledge that the judge was convinced that this justified an upgrade. Regardless, his car was struck before he hit the crowd, and he never seemed to be going very fast in the relevant video. "

Are you suggesting that a car going 10mph, 15 mph, 20mph isn't very fast or enough to warrant such destruction? The car is struck, what exactly is your point, are you staying it was the person with the stick that caused the guy to panic and keep moving forward. Did you not read the article where it was said that the action of the driver showed him purposely heading towards that direction. And you think automatically a person with a stick prompted him to run into a crowd as well as causing a chain reaction with 2-3 other vehicles?

"Not good enough forseb! HURRRRRR! You need to pass judgement now! HURRRRRR fucking moron! "

No you moron, that is precisely what you are doing is passing judgement now, yet at the same time failing a deductive reasoning poorly. The same thing you did in the last thread regarding this particular topic. Where you made the declaration "It was the person who hit the car that made him crash into people" -fordumb.

Trolly McDick
Member Fri Dec 15 19:24:09
forseb says: "That car wasn't accelerating at any speed UNTIL he was hit by the person with an object." *video depicts car already accelerating*

Forsebbed folks, forsebbed.

Trolly McDick
Member Fri Dec 15 19:26:44
forseb says: "Ignore the screeching of the tires and the acceleration towards the crowd right as then when the person hits it with the item that was in their hand. It was him that caused him to cause it to go in forward motion with sheer power of the smack"

forsebbed.

hood
Member Fri Dec 15 19:37:17
"Average fast ball is 92, yet the average person doesn't come close to 70."

That's why I suggested about 40/50 mph. You really must not understand basic physics though. It's way, way easier to get something spinning in a circle really quickly vs. accelerating something for straight line speed.

"his car was struck before he hit the crowd"

His car was already going at the crowd at fairly unreasonable velocity.

Forwyn
Member Fri Dec 15 20:11:48
I agree with this assessment:

tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri Dec 15 18:47:32
car is probably going somewhere in the 20 to 30mph the entire time, start to final impact

He could have been going faster in the impact video, of course.

American Democrat
Member Sat Dec 16 07:13:02
I think it was concluded by every other poster that he was going at an unsafe rate of speed for the area and I think it can be definitively proven this was intentional.

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FoxNEWS Member	Fri Dec 15 12:18:50 "Authorities say the footage captures Field's Challenger stopping about a block and a half away from protesters, reversing, then driving into the crow and speeding away in reverse." Http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/14/us/charlottesville-james-alex-fields-court-appearence/index.html Remember we had Trumpicantards or nazi sympthesizers claiming Fields was just musing his own business and was spooked that he was being attacked which caused him to crash accidentally into the crowd.
Forwyn Member	Fri Dec 15 13:13:42 lol http://i.ytimg.com/vi/JBTIlGo541s/maxresdefault.jpg
Sam Adams Member	Fri Dec 15 13:20:40 So the government is basically lieing their asses off, trying to fuck over a person for political points. Jesus. Its like zimmerman.
Trolly McDick Member	Fri Dec 15 13:33:47 Forsebbed owned.
Trolly McDick Member	Fri Dec 15 13:38:33 "Backing up his car before accelerating into the crowd." Lol forsebbed.
Trolly McDick Member	Fri Dec 15 13:40:30 Forseb says: "there is no possible way premeditation could be established."
Forwyn Member	Fri Dec 15 14:19:13 Car was struck before he ever hit the crowd. Let's see the video.
Trolly McDick Member	Fri Dec 15 14:27:21 Forseb says: "ill just make shit up"
Sam Adams Member	Fri Dec 15 14:29:40 There is clear evidence of antifas attacking his car. Whether this happened before or after the sjw died, i cannot say.
Forwyn Member	Fri Dec 15 14:31:51 Trolly says: "I ignore video and pictures in favor of CNN paragraphs"
Forwyn Member	Fri Dec 15 14:32:05 Trolly also says: "I'm Trolly McDick"
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Dec 15 14:37:06 that guy swinging at bumper seems to be around the 10 sec mark of this video... and the car already moving fairly quick w/ no indication of slowing with impact just about 2 secs after so that particular attack certainly doesn't seem related, & there's not many people around the car early in that video when car already moving fast http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iS9cbH_KfMw
Trolly McDick Member	Fri Dec 15 14:42:32 Forseb says: "i hate facts."
Forwyn Member	Fri Dec 15 15:31:50 "moving fairly quick" Moving slow enough for a pedestrian to hit the car in the bumper in the same direction as the car. Looks like car slowed down in the intersection. lawl
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Fri Dec 15 15:35:04 Http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/14/us/charlottesville-james-alex-fields-court-appearence/index.html Uh-oh! It could be you, or it could be us, but there's no page here.
FoxNEWS Member	Fri Dec 15 15:37:12 http://www...ds-court-appearance/index.html
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Fri Dec 15 15:37:55 http://www...ds-court-appearance/index.html
Trolly McDick Member	Fri Dec 15 16:07:40 forseb says: "It's just an honest mistake."
Trolly McDick Member	Fri Dec 15 16:10:42 "The video shows counterprotesters gathered at Fourth and Water streets in downtown Charlottesville. A black pickup truck approaching the crowd pulled to the side of the road. A maroon van then stopped on the street in front of the crowd, and a Toyota Camry stopped behind the van. Fields’s Dodge approached the Camry from behind at a moderate speed. It then backed up, traveling more than a block, before accelerating forward at a rapid clip, ramming into the back of the Camry. Heyer and numerous other people were standing near the vehicles, and the collision sent bodies flying." forseb says: "Just a sunday drive."
hood Member	Fri Dec 15 16:23:27 "Moving slow enough for a pedestrian to hit the car in the bumper in the same direction as the car" Yeah, cause that's difficult.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Dec 15 16:23:52 perception/reaction time is usually estimated around 1.5 secs there's not enough time for him to notice that bumper hit and then accelerate to the speed of impact unless he was already going too fast ...not that I see any sign of him slowing down to begin with
Delude Member	Fri Dec 15 16:29:47 Breitbart gotta breitbart.
Forwyn Member	Fri Dec 15 16:36:15 "The video shows" I mean, let's see it. I've left open the possibility that Fields is a premeditated murderer. "Yeah, cause that's difficult." Yes, striking a speeding car with a baseball bat in the same direction as the car's travel is easy. Please demonstrate with a video on the highway.
delude Member	Fri Dec 15 17:00:33 "I mean, let's see it. I've left open the possibility that Fields is a premeditated murderer. " You are aware that was testimony given according to the article right, which caused the judge to make the decision to upgrade right, Then it is considered evidence right and will be used I court right? Maybe you should take a trip when the trial begins, yeah? "Yes, striking a speeding car with a baseball bat in the same direction as the car's travel is easy. Please demonstrate with a video on the highway. " Are you playing the game of just because it can't happen unless forwyn sees a video of said possibility?
Trolly McDick Member	Fri Dec 15 17:03:09 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgWM_NufDic Guy flips over speeding car. forseb says: "this can never happen. I wont ever believe it, I won't believe it, I can't believe it." Stay tuned for a thread of forseb says.
Forwyn Member	Fri Dec 15 18:03:47 "right" "right" "yeah" Okay? You point? "Guy flips over speeding car." LOL! So your equivalent trick would be to strike a passing car in the front bumper, you fucking idiot.
hood Member	Fri Dec 15 18:21:58 "Yes, striking a speeding car with a baseball bat in the same direction as the car's travel is easy" I mean, do you understand even the most basic of physics? The car looked to be going maybe 20 mph? Baseball players swing their bats at about 70-80. It isn't unreasonable to think the average person can get a swing up to 40-50 mph. It becomes pretty trivial to catch the tail of a car when you can get an extremely quick rotational velocity at the end of said bat. "Please demonstrate with a video on the highway." Never go full retard.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Dec 15 18:23:48 76.6 MPH - average speed of a bat swing plus who says he was aiming for the bumper
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Dec 15 18:25:20 ...hood's post wasn't there when I started :p
Forwyn Member	Fri Dec 15 18:29:05 "The car looked to be going maybe 20 mph?" That's my point... "76.6 MPH - average speed of a bat swing" Average fast ball is 92, yet the average person doesn't come close to 70.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Dec 15 18:31:02 Bat swing, forwyn. As in swinging the bat. Not throwing the baseball.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Dec 15 18:31:33 I like to imagine myself as a baseball aficionado
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Dec 15 18:35:00 you can visibly see the kid swinging the bat... it's fast... and he barely catches the car... and you can see how close the car has gotten to the crowd in your own photo with no brake lights the entire unsafe drive toward them
Forwyn Member	Fri Dec 15 18:38:56 "Bat swing, forwyn. As in swinging the bat. Not throwing the baseball." Stellar observation. Perhaps the point is that a skinny Antifa isn't swinging at MLB speeds, just as they're not throwing at MLB speeds.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Dec 15 18:39:46 Pedro Martinez was skinny.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Dec 15 18:40:13 ^ aficionado
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Dec 15 18:41:48 Actually, now I see that I missed the point of your explanation. My mistake.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Dec 15 18:42:45 I thought you confused bat swing speed with pitch speed. You did not
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Dec 15 18:47:32 car is probably going somewhere in the 20 to 30mph the entire time, start to final impact let's all go out onto our local side streets and swing at cars and compare results
delude Member	Fri Dec 15 18:52:37 "Okay? You point? " My point is that you demanding of seeing a video that was portrayed in a court proceeding to decide if the charge should be upgraded is stupid. Because forwyn doesn't believe anything unless he sees it himself. AND if he did so would still declare something differently even if it is staring you in your face. tldr version. You're fucking moron.
Forwyn Member	Fri Dec 15 19:03:49 "My point is that you demanding of seeing a video that was portrayed in a court proceeding to decide if the charge should be upgraded is stupid." Straw man. "Because forwyn doesn't believe anything unless he sees it himself. AND if he did so would still declare something differently even if it is staring you in your face." Straw man. Here's me: There's still cause for reasonable doubt. I acknowledge that the judge was convinced that this justified an upgrade. Regardless, his car was struck before he hit the crowd, and he never seemed to be going very fast in the relevant video. However, this could be a clear-cut case of a premeditated murder. Here's you: Not good enough forseb! HURRRRRR! You need to pass judgement now! HURRRRRR fucking moron!
American Democrat Member	Fri Dec 15 19:11:32 "Regardless, his car was struck before he hit the crowd, and he never seemed to be going very fast in the relevant video. " I'll jump in; What is "never seemed to going fast." What mph are you suggesting?
delude Member	Fri Dec 15 19:16:46 "Straw man. " No x2. "There's still cause for reasonable doubt. I acknowledge that the judge was convinced that this justified an upgrade. Regardless, his car was struck before he hit the crowd, and he never seemed to be going very fast in the relevant video. " Are you suggesting that a car going 10mph, 15 mph, 20mph isn't very fast or enough to warrant such destruction? The car is struck, what exactly is your point, are you staying it was the person with the stick that caused the guy to panic and keep moving forward. Did you not read the article where it was said that the action of the driver showed him purposely heading towards that direction. And you think automatically a person with a stick prompted him to run into a crowd as well as causing a chain reaction with 2-3 other vehicles? "Not good enough forseb! HURRRRRR! You need to pass judgement now! HURRRRRR fucking moron! " No you moron, that is precisely what you are doing is passing judgement now, yet at the same time failing a deductive reasoning poorly. The same thing you did in the last thread regarding this particular topic. Where you made the declaration "It was the person who hit the car that made him crash into people" -fordumb.
Trolly McDick Member	Fri Dec 15 19:24:09 forseb says: "That car wasn't accelerating at any speed UNTIL he was hit by the person with an object." video depicts car already accelerating Forsebbed folks, forsebbed.
Trolly McDick Member	Fri Dec 15 19:26:44 forseb says: "Ignore the screeching of the tires and the acceleration towards the crowd right as then when the person hits it with the item that was in their hand. It was him that caused him to cause it to go in forward motion with sheer power of the smack" forsebbed.
hood Member	Fri Dec 15 19:37:17 "Average fast ball is 92, yet the average person doesn't come close to 70." That's why I suggested about 40/50 mph. You really must not understand basic physics though. It's way, way easier to get something spinning in a circle really quickly vs. accelerating something for straight line speed. "his car was struck before he hit the crowd" His car was already going at the crowd at fairly unreasonable velocity.
Forwyn Member	Fri Dec 15 20:11:48 I agree with this assessment: tumbleweed the wanderer Fri Dec 15 18:47:32 car is probably going somewhere in the 20 to 30mph the entire time, start to final impact He could have been going faster in the impact video, of course.
American Democrat Member	Sat Dec 16 07:13:02 I think it was concluded by every other poster that he was going at an unsafe rate of speed for the area and I think it can be definitively proven this was intentional.
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