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CrownRoyal
Member Fri Dec 29 09:23:38
It does seem a little too good. A city where a quarter of population is black, where whites are a minority, a sanctuary city with like half a million of illegals, and look at these numbers
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Crime in New York City Plunges to a Level Not Seen Since the 1950s

Dec. 27, 2017
It would have seemed unbelievable in 1990, when there were 2,245 killings in New York City, but as of Wednesday there have been just 286 in the city this year — the lowest since reliable records have been kept.

In fact, crime has fallen in New York City in each of the major felony categories — murder and manslaughter, rape, assault, robbery, burglary, grand larceny, and car thefts — to a total of 94,806 as of Sunday, well below the previous record low of 101,716 set last year.

If the trend holds just a few more days, this year’s homicide total will be under the city’s previous low of 333 in 2014, and crime will have declined for 27 straight years, to levels that police officials have said are the lowest since the 1950s. The numbers, when taken together, portray a city of 8.5 million people growing safer even as the police, under Mayor Bill de Blasio, use less deadly force, make fewer arrests and scale back controversial practices like stopping and frisking thousands of people on the streets.

“There is no denying that the arc is truly exceptional in the unbroken streak of declining crime,” said William J. Bratton, who retired from his second stint as police commissioner last year.
cont

http://www.../new-york-city-crime-2017.html

Limousine Liberal
Member Fri Dec 29 10:05:06
Has everything to do with the gun laws that NY has, guns for all.

tumbleweed
the wanderer Fri Dec 29 10:49:32
happens when 'Don' Trump moves out... hmmm

Paramount
Member Fri Dec 29 12:24:37
Yeah, maybe everyone in New York City owns a guns. Which means that they can defend themselves, so almost no one is killed anymore.

McKobb
Member Fri Dec 29 12:34:00
Stop and frisk!

Forwyn
Member Fri Dec 29 13:16:33
Has NYC's crime rate dropped comparably to the rest of the nation?

Crime, especially violent crime, has been dropping for decades.

Pillz
Member Fri Dec 29 13:18:19
CR got doped by NYPD faulty reporting and numbers fudging.

NYPD under reports major crimes, preferring to list them as more minor ones.

We discussed this at length on UP a year or three ago.

http://www...s-Investigation-141906493.html

https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20150727/civic-center/nypd-crime-statistics-are-off-by-up-229-incidents-month-data-show

https://nypost.com/2015/07/17/bronx-cops-cooked-the-books-on-crime-reports/

Loads and loads of stories, starting in 2010.

PillzLovesTheCock
Member Fri Dec 29 13:56:50
Thinks those particular incidents has a significant role in the overall picture of statistics.

Statistically speaking, pillz loves cock.

Pillz
Member Fri Dec 29 14:01:03
Yeah who cares that the NYPD under reports major crimes, and just accept their numbers like CR accepts his wife getting plowed by Russians.

CrownRoyal
Member Fri Dec 29 14:01:38
far be it from me to be too trusting of cops, my boy. Give me the real number of murders for the 2017 and a few years back, I want to see if the pattern of decreasing is false

Pillz
Member Fri Dec 29 14:06:25
Murder is just one category of major crimes, though. And the most difficult to misrepresent, since they like their convictions and you've got medical records detailing cause of death, etc. We'd be getting into quite the conspiracy if those were falsified in any meaningful numbers...

But I see, your only interest here is in the NYC murder rate?

CrownRoyal
Member Fri Dec 29 14:08:03
so only murder is historically low, hatd to fake and all, everything else is what? rising? same as before? any real stats for 2017?

Y2A
Member Fri Dec 29 23:26:15
I live in NYC. New York is a safe city for the most part. The city/state has to work on mental illness though, too many crazy homeless out on the street.

Sam Adams
Member Sat Dec 30 08:28:39
Gentrification wins again.

Rugian
Member Sat Dec 30 10:04:49
Pretty much. Just to put things into perspective:

https://qzprod.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/ny-murder-rates-2.png

Basically, the murder rate shot up the minute the negroes were allowed to move in, and went back down when the negroes were either jailed or priced out.

Rugian
Member Sat Dec 30 10:05:07
http://qzp.../2013/12/ny-murder-rates-2.png

CrownRoyal
Member Sat Dec 30 10:33:06
No city in US has more negroes than NYC.

Forwyn
Member Sat Dec 30 13:16:44
Percentage-wise, sitting at around 27%, it appears.

Not at Birmingham, Jackson, Detroit's 70%+, but they certainly have the raw numbers.

http://en....e_African-American_populations

CrownRoyal
Member Sat Dec 30 15:12:18
yes, I mention the % in my opening post. I meant just what I said. no other US city has more blacks.

Dukhat
Member Sun Dec 31 03:05:13
Found the article that goes with the chart Rugian posted.

https://qz.com/162289/217-years-of-homicide-in-new-york/

"The reasons behind the dramatic decline of the past two decades will continue to spark fierce debate. Was the drop in the 1990s due to police commissioner William J. Bratton’s focus on broken windows, or the impact of the Supreme Court’s Roe v. Wade decision legalizing abortion, as famously argued in Freakonomics? And did more recent declines happen as a result of “proactive policing”—programs such as “stop and frisk” and “Operation Crew Cut“—or in spite of it?"

Again, Rugian is a fucking imbecile who probably copy and pasted from some alt-right website who spouted "muh Niggas" and Rugian went with it as a racist.

jergul
large member Sun Dec 31 04:51:13
I find the lead poisoning argument to be compelling (it was phased out of gasoline in the 1970s and stopped mucking with neural development in children).

Not a full explaination, but a powerful partial one.

Renzo Marquez
Member Sun Dec 31 07:41:14
Looks like the decline started when the superpredators known as the Central Park 5 were locked up.

Senor Marquez
Member Sun Dec 31 08:09:04
I'm a lawyer!

CrownRoyal
Member Sun Dec 31 22:32:00
"I find the lead poisoning argument to be compelling"

same here.

Aeros
Member Mon Jan 01 13:55:56
Lets also not forget how all the public housing projects used lead in everything from the plumbing to the paint up until the 1970's.

jergul
large member Mon Jan 01 14:19:42
http://cen.acs.org/articles/92/i5/Crimes-Lead.html

Like I said, a powerful partial explanation.

patom
Member Tue Jan 02 06:25:01
The bad guys are it seems expanding their gang banger operations far and wide.
http://ban...attempted-murder-for-five-men/

The white guy is a local. My old house was within eye sight of the Motor Inn.

The really funny part in this would be 4 black/hispanic punks from NYC bailing up in Brookton with 2' of snow on the ground and below 0 temperatures in the middle of the night.
I'm betting the cops just stood on the side of the road and hollered for them to come on out of the woods with their hands up or just to hunker down and let the coyotes eat their frozen carcasses.

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CrownRoyal Member	Fri Dec 29 09:23:38 It does seem a little too good. A city where a quarter of population is black, where whites are a minority, a sanctuary city with like half a million of illegals, and look at these numbers ------ Crime in New York City Plunges to a Level Not Seen Since the 1950s Dec. 27, 2017 It would have seemed unbelievable in 1990, when there were 2,245 killings in New York City, but as of Wednesday there have been just 286 in the city this year — the lowest since reliable records have been kept. In fact, crime has fallen in New York City in each of the major felony categories — murder and manslaughter, rape, assault, robbery, burglary, grand larceny, and car thefts — to a total of 94,806 as of Sunday, well below the previous record low of 101,716 set last year. If the trend holds just a few more days, this year’s homicide total will be under the city’s previous low of 333 in 2014, and crime will have declined for 27 straight years, to levels that police officials have said are the lowest since the 1950s. The numbers, when taken together, portray a city of 8.5 million people growing safer even as the police, under Mayor Bill de Blasio, use less deadly force, make fewer arrests and scale back controversial practices like stopping and frisking thousands of people on the streets. “There is no denying that the arc is truly exceptional in the unbroken streak of declining crime,” said William J. Bratton, who retired from his second stint as police commissioner last year. cont http://www.../new-york-city-crime-2017.html
Limousine Liberal Member	Fri Dec 29 10:05:06 Has everything to do with the gun laws that NY has, guns for all.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Dec 29 10:49:32 happens when 'Don' Trump moves out... hmmm
Paramount Member	Fri Dec 29 12:24:37 Yeah, maybe everyone in New York City owns a guns. Which means that they can defend themselves, so almost no one is killed anymore.
McKobb Member	Fri Dec 29 12:34:00 Stop and frisk!
Forwyn Member	Fri Dec 29 13:16:33 Has NYC's crime rate dropped comparably to the rest of the nation? Crime, especially violent crime, has been dropping for decades.
Pillz Member	Fri Dec 29 13:18:19 CR got doped by NYPD faulty reporting and numbers fudging. NYPD under reports major crimes, preferring to list them as more minor ones. We discussed this at length on UP a year or three ago. http://www...s-Investigation-141906493.html https://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20150727/civic-center/nypd-crime-statistics-are-off-by-up-229-incidents-month-data-show https://nypost.com/2015/07/17/bronx-cops-cooked-the-books-on-crime-reports/ Loads and loads of stories, starting in 2010.
PillzLovesTheCock Member	Fri Dec 29 13:56:50 Thinks those particular incidents has a significant role in the overall picture of statistics. Statistically speaking, pillz loves cock.
Pillz Member	Fri Dec 29 14:01:03 Yeah who cares that the NYPD under reports major crimes, and just accept their numbers like CR accepts his wife getting plowed by Russians.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Dec 29 14:01:38 far be it from me to be too trusting of cops, my boy. Give me the real number of murders for the 2017 and a few years back, I want to see if the pattern of decreasing is false
Pillz Member	Fri Dec 29 14:06:25 Murder is just one category of major crimes, though. And the most difficult to misrepresent, since they like their convictions and you've got medical records detailing cause of death, etc. We'd be getting into quite the conspiracy if those were falsified in any meaningful numbers... But I see, your only interest here is in the NYC murder rate?
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Dec 29 14:08:03 so only murder is historically low, hatd to fake and all, everything else is what? rising? same as before? any real stats for 2017?
Y2A Member	Fri Dec 29 23:26:15 I live in NYC. New York is a safe city for the most part. The city/state has to work on mental illness though, too many crazy homeless out on the street.
Sam Adams Member	Sat Dec 30 08:28:39 Gentrification wins again.
Rugian Member	Sat Dec 30 10:04:49 Pretty much. Just to put things into perspective: https://qzprod.files.wordpress.com/2013/12/ny-murder-rates-2.png Basically, the murder rate shot up the minute the negroes were allowed to move in, and went back down when the negroes were either jailed or priced out.
Rugian Member	Sat Dec 30 10:05:07 http://qzp.../2013/12/ny-murder-rates-2.png
CrownRoyal Member	Sat Dec 30 10:33:06 No city in US has more negroes than NYC.
Forwyn Member	Sat Dec 30 13:16:44 Percentage-wise, sitting at around 27%, it appears. Not at Birmingham, Jackson, Detroit's 70%+, but they certainly have the raw numbers. http://en....e_African-American_populations
CrownRoyal Member	Sat Dec 30 15:12:18 yes, I mention the % in my opening post. I meant just what I said. no other US city has more blacks.
Dukhat Member	Sun Dec 31 03:05:13 Found the article that goes with the chart Rugian posted. https://qz.com/162289/217-years-of-homicide-in-new-york/ "The reasons behind the dramatic decline of the past two decades will continue to spark fierce debate. Was the drop in the 1990s due to police commissioner William J. Bratton’s focus on broken windows, or the impact of the Supreme Court’s Roe v. Wade decision legalizing abortion, as famously argued in Freakonomics? And did more recent declines happen as a result of “proactive policing”—programs such as “stop and frisk” and “Operation Crew Cut“—or in spite of it?" Again, Rugian is a fucking imbecile who probably copy and pasted from some alt-right website who spouted "muh Niggas" and Rugian went with it as a racist.
jergul large member	Sun Dec 31 04:51:13 I find the lead poisoning argument to be compelling (it was phased out of gasoline in the 1970s and stopped mucking with neural development in children). Not a full explaination, but a powerful partial one.
Renzo Marquez Member	Sun Dec 31 07:41:14 Looks like the decline started when the superpredators known as the Central Park 5 were locked up.
Senor Marquez Member	Sun Dec 31 08:09:04 I'm a lawyer!
CrownRoyal Member	Sun Dec 31 22:32:00 "I find the lead poisoning argument to be compelling" same here.
Aeros Member	Mon Jan 01 13:55:56 Lets also not forget how all the public housing projects used lead in everything from the plumbing to the paint up until the 1970's.
jergul large member	Mon Jan 01 14:19:42 http://cen.acs.org/articles/92/i5/Crimes-Lead.html Like I said, a powerful partial explanation.
patom Member	Tue Jan 02 06:25:01 The bad guys are it seems expanding their gang banger operations far and wide. http://ban...attempted-murder-for-five-men/ The white guy is a local. My old house was within eye sight of the Motor Inn. The really funny part in this would be 4 black/hispanic punks from NYC bailing up in Brookton with 2' of snow on the ground and below 0 temperatures in the middle of the night. I'm betting the cops just stood on the side of the road and hollered for them to come on out of the woods with their hands up or just to hunker down and let the coyotes eat their frozen carcasses.
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