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CrownRoyal
rank Fri Dec 29 17:23:38 2017
It does seem a little too good. A city where a quarter of population is black, where whites are a minority, a sanctuary city with like half a million of illegals, and look at these numbers
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Crime in New York City Plunges to a Level Not Seen Since the 1950s

Dec. 27, 2017
It would have seemed unbelievable in 1990, when there were 2,245 killings in New York City, but as of Wednesday there have been just 286 in the city this year — the lowest since reliable records have been kept.

In fact, crime has fallen in New York City in each of the major felony categories — murder and manslaughter, rape, assault, robbery, burglary, grand larceny, and car thefts — to a total of 94,806 as of Sunday, well below the previous record low of 101,716 set last year.

If the trend holds just a few more days, this year’s homicide total will be under the city’s previous low of 333 in 2014, and crime will have declined for 27 straight years, to levels that police officials have said are the lowest since the 1950s. The numbers, when taken together, portray a city of 8.5 million people growing safer even as the police, under Mayor Bill de Blasio, use less deadly force, make fewer arrests and scale back controversial practices like stopping and frisking thousands of people on the streets.

“There is no denying that the arc is truly exceptional in the unbroken streak of declining crime,” said William J. Bratton, who retired from his second stint as police commissioner last year.
cont

http://www.../new-york-city-crime-2017.html

Limousine Liberal
rank Fri Dec 29 18:05:06 2017
Has everything to do with the gun laws that NY has, guns for all.

tumbleweed
rank Fri Dec 29 18:49:32 2017
happens when 'Don' Trump moves out... hmmm

Paramount
rank Fri Dec 29 20:24:37 2017
Yeah, maybe everyone in New York City owns a guns. Which means that they can defend themselves, so almost no one is killed anymore.

McKobb
rank Fri Dec 29 20:34:00 2017
Stop and frisk!

Forwyn
rank Fri Dec 29 21:16:33 2017
Has NYC's crime rate dropped comparably to the rest of the nation?

Crime, especially violent crime, has been dropping for decades.

Pillz
rank Fri Dec 29 21:18:19 2017
CR got doped by NYPD faulty reporting and numbers fudging.

NYPD under reports major crimes, preferring to list them as more minor ones.

We discussed this at length on UP a year or three ago.

http://www...s-Investigation-141906493.html

https://ww...-229-incidents-month-data-show

https://ny...ed-the-books-on-crime-reports/

Loads and loads of stories, starting in 2010.

PillzLovesTheCock
rank Fri Dec 29 21:56:50 2017
Thinks those particular incidents has a significant role in the overall picture of statistics.

Statistically speaking, pillz loves cock.

Pillz
rank Fri Dec 29 22:01:03 2017
Yeah who cares that the NYPD under reports major crimes, and just accept their numbers like CR accepts his wife getting plowed by Russians.

CrownRoyal
rank Fri Dec 29 22:01:38 2017
far be it from me to be too trusting of cops, my boy. Give me the real number of murders for the 2017 and a few years back, I want to see if the pattern of decreasing is false

Pillz
rank Fri Dec 29 22:06:25 2017
Murder is just one category of major crimes, though. And the most difficult to misrepresent, since they like their convictions and you've got medical records detailing cause of death, etc. We'd be getting into quite the conspiracy if those were falsified in any meaningful numbers...

But I see, your only interest here is in the NYC murder rate?

CrownRoyal
rank Fri Dec 29 22:08:03 2017
so only murder is historically low, hatd to fake and all, everything else is what? rising? same as before? any real stats for 2017?

Y2A
rank Sat Dec 30 07:26:15 2017
I live in NYC. New York is a safe city for the most part. The city/state has to work on mental illness though, too many crazy homeless out on the street.

Sam Adams
rank Sat Dec 30 16:28:39 2017
Gentrification wins again.

Rugian
rank Sat Dec 30 18:04:49 2017
Pretty much. Just to put things into perspective:

https://qz.../2013/12/ny-murder-rates-2.png

Basically, the murder rate shot up the minute the negroes were allowed to move in, and went back down when the negroes were either jailed or priced out.

Rugian
rank Sat Dec 30 18:05:07 2017
http://qzp.../2013/12/ny-murder-rates-2.png

CrownRoyal
rank Sat Dec 30 18:33:06 2017
No city in US has more negroes than NYC.

Forwyn
rank Sat Dec 30 21:16:44 2017
Percentage-wise, sitting at around 27%, it appears.

Not at Birmingham, Jackson, Detroit's 70%+, but they certainly have the raw numbers.

http://en....e_African-American_populations

CrownRoyal
rank Sat Dec 30 23:12:18 2017
yes, I mention the % in my opening post. I meant just what I said. no other US city has more blacks.

Dukhat
rank Sun Dec 31 11:05:13 2017
Found the article that goes with the chart Rugian posted.

https://qz.com/162289/217-years-of-homicide-in-new-york/

"The reasons behind the dramatic decline of the past two decades will continue to spark fierce debate. Was the drop in the 1990s due to police commissioner William J. Bratton’s focus on broken windows, or the impact of the Supreme Court’s Roe v. Wade decision legalizing abortion, as famously argued in Freakonomics? And did more recent declines happen as a result of “proactive policing”—programs such as “stop and frisk” and “Operation Crew Cut“—or in spite of it?"

Again, Rugian is a fucking imbecile who probably copy and pasted from some alt-right website who spouted "muh Niggas" and Rugian went with it as a racist.

jergul
rank Sun Dec 31 12:51:13 2017
I find the lead poisoning argument to be compelling (it was phased out of gasoline in the 1970s and stopped mucking with neural development in children).

Not a full explaination, but a powerful partial one.

Renzo Marquez
rank Sun Dec 31 15:41:14 2017
Looks like the decline started when the superpredators known as the Central Park 5 were locked up.

Senor Marquez
rank Sun Dec 31 16:09:04 2017
I'm a lawyer!

CrownRoyal
rank Mon Jan 01 06:32:00 2018
"I find the lead poisoning argument to be compelling"

same here.

Aeros
rank Mon Jan 01 21:55:56 2018
Lets also not forget how all the public housing projects used lead in everything from the plumbing to the paint up until the 1970's.

jergul
rank Mon Jan 01 22:19:42 2018
http://cen.acs.org/articles/92/i5/Crimes-Lead.html

Like I said, a powerful partial explanation.

patom
rank Tue Jan 02 14:25:01 2018
The bad guys are it seems expanding their gang banger operations far and wide.
http://ban...attempted-murder-for-five-men/

The white guy is a local. My old house was within eye sight of the Motor Inn.

The really funny part in this would be 4 black/hispanic punks from NYC bailing up in Brookton with 2' of snow on the ground and below 0 temperatures in the middle of the night.
I'm betting the cops just stood on the side of the road and hollered for them to come on out of the woods with their hands up or just to hunker down and let the coyotes eat their frozen carcasses.

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CrownRoyal rank	Fri Dec 29 17:23:38 2017 It does seem a little too good. A city where a quarter of population is black, where whites are a minority, a sanctuary city with like half a million of illegals, and look at these numbers ------ Crime in New York City Plunges to a Level Not Seen Since the 1950s Dec. 27, 2017 It would have seemed unbelievable in 1990, when there were 2,245 killings in New York City, but as of Wednesday there have been just 286 in the city this year — the lowest since reliable records have been kept. In fact, crime has fallen in New York City in each of the major felony categories — murder and manslaughter, rape, assault, robbery, burglary, grand larceny, and car thefts — to a total of 94,806 as of Sunday, well below the previous record low of 101,716 set last year. If the trend holds just a few more days, this year’s homicide total will be under the city’s previous low of 333 in 2014, and crime will have declined for 27 straight years, to levels that police officials have said are the lowest since the 1950s. The numbers, when taken together, portray a city of 8.5 million people growing safer even as the police, under Mayor Bill de Blasio, use less deadly force, make fewer arrests and scale back controversial practices like stopping and frisking thousands of people on the streets. “There is no denying that the arc is truly exceptional in the unbroken streak of declining crime,” said William J. Bratton, who retired from his second stint as police commissioner last year. cont http://www.../new-york-city-crime-2017.html
Limousine Liberal rank	Fri Dec 29 18:05:06 2017 Has everything to do with the gun laws that NY has, guns for all.
tumbleweed rank	Fri Dec 29 18:49:32 2017 happens when 'Don' Trump moves out... hmmm
Paramount rank	Fri Dec 29 20:24:37 2017 Yeah, maybe everyone in New York City owns a guns. Which means that they can defend themselves, so almost no one is killed anymore.
McKobb rank	Fri Dec 29 20:34:00 2017 Stop and frisk!
Forwyn rank	Fri Dec 29 21:16:33 2017 Has NYC's crime rate dropped comparably to the rest of the nation? Crime, especially violent crime, has been dropping for decades.
Pillz rank	Fri Dec 29 21:18:19 2017 CR got doped by NYPD faulty reporting and numbers fudging. NYPD under reports major crimes, preferring to list them as more minor ones. We discussed this at length on UP a year or three ago. http://www...s-Investigation-141906493.html https://ww...-229-incidents-month-data-show https://ny...ed-the-books-on-crime-reports/ Loads and loads of stories, starting in 2010.
PillzLovesTheCock rank	Fri Dec 29 21:56:50 2017 Thinks those particular incidents has a significant role in the overall picture of statistics. Statistically speaking, pillz loves cock.
Pillz rank	Fri Dec 29 22:01:03 2017 Yeah who cares that the NYPD under reports major crimes, and just accept their numbers like CR accepts his wife getting plowed by Russians.
CrownRoyal rank	Fri Dec 29 22:01:38 2017 far be it from me to be too trusting of cops, my boy. Give me the real number of murders for the 2017 and a few years back, I want to see if the pattern of decreasing is false
Pillz rank	Fri Dec 29 22:06:25 2017 Murder is just one category of major crimes, though. And the most difficult to misrepresent, since they like their convictions and you've got medical records detailing cause of death, etc. We'd be getting into quite the conspiracy if those were falsified in any meaningful numbers... But I see, your only interest here is in the NYC murder rate?
CrownRoyal rank	Fri Dec 29 22:08:03 2017 so only murder is historically low, hatd to fake and all, everything else is what? rising? same as before? any real stats for 2017?
Y2A rank	Sat Dec 30 07:26:15 2017 I live in NYC. New York is a safe city for the most part. The city/state has to work on mental illness though, too many crazy homeless out on the street.
Sam Adams rank	Sat Dec 30 16:28:39 2017 Gentrification wins again.
Rugian rank	Sat Dec 30 18:04:49 2017 Pretty much. Just to put things into perspective: https://qz.../2013/12/ny-murder-rates-2.png Basically, the murder rate shot up the minute the negroes were allowed to move in, and went back down when the negroes were either jailed or priced out.
Rugian rank	Sat Dec 30 18:05:07 2017 http://qzp.../2013/12/ny-murder-rates-2.png
CrownRoyal rank	Sat Dec 30 18:33:06 2017 No city in US has more negroes than NYC.
Forwyn rank	Sat Dec 30 21:16:44 2017 Percentage-wise, sitting at around 27%, it appears. Not at Birmingham, Jackson, Detroit's 70%+, but they certainly have the raw numbers. http://en....e_African-American_populations
CrownRoyal rank	Sat Dec 30 23:12:18 2017 yes, I mention the % in my opening post. I meant just what I said. no other US city has more blacks.
Dukhat rank	Sun Dec 31 11:05:13 2017 Found the article that goes with the chart Rugian posted. https://qz.com/162289/217-years-of-homicide-in-new-york/ "The reasons behind the dramatic decline of the past two decades will continue to spark fierce debate. Was the drop in the 1990s due to police commissioner William J. Bratton’s focus on broken windows, or the impact of the Supreme Court’s Roe v. Wade decision legalizing abortion, as famously argued in Freakonomics? And did more recent declines happen as a result of “proactive policing”—programs such as “stop and frisk” and “Operation Crew Cut“—or in spite of it?" Again, Rugian is a fucking imbecile who probably copy and pasted from some alt-right website who spouted "muh Niggas" and Rugian went with it as a racist.
jergul rank	Sun Dec 31 12:51:13 2017 I find the lead poisoning argument to be compelling (it was phased out of gasoline in the 1970s and stopped mucking with neural development in children). Not a full explaination, but a powerful partial one.
Renzo Marquez rank	Sun Dec 31 15:41:14 2017 Looks like the decline started when the superpredators known as the Central Park 5 were locked up.
Senor Marquez rank	Sun Dec 31 16:09:04 2017 I'm a lawyer!
CrownRoyal rank	Mon Jan 01 06:32:00 2018 "I find the lead poisoning argument to be compelling" same here.
Aeros rank	Mon Jan 01 21:55:56 2018 Lets also not forget how all the public housing projects used lead in everything from the plumbing to the paint up until the 1970's.
jergul rank	Mon Jan 01 22:19:42 2018 http://cen.acs.org/articles/92/i5/Crimes-Lead.html Like I said, a powerful partial explanation.
patom rank	Tue Jan 02 14:25:01 2018 The bad guys are it seems expanding their gang banger operations far and wide. http://ban...attempted-murder-for-five-men/ The white guy is a local. My old house was within eye sight of the Motor Inn. The really funny part in this would be 4 black/hispanic punks from NYC bailing up in Brookton with 2' of snow on the ground and below 0 temperatures in the middle of the night. I'm betting the cops just stood on the side of the road and hollered for them to come on out of the woods with their hands up or just to hunker down and let the coyotes eat their frozen carcasses.
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