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tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jan 11 15:58:20
President Trump grew frustrated with lawmakers Thursday in the Oval Office when they floated restoring protections for immigrants from Haiti, El Salvador and African countries as part of a bipartisan immigration deal, according to two people briefed on the meeting.

“Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?” Trump said, according to these people, referring to African countries and Haiti. He then suggested that the United States should instead bring more people from countries like Norway, whose prime minister he met yesterday.

http://www...7-91af-31ac729add94_story.html

will they deny it? it would almost certainly get him cheers at his rallies
Pillz
Member
Thu Jan 11 16:04:02
Do you disagree?

Wtf do Somalis bring to America?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jan 11 16:06:05
i do agree w/ the retarded child on this one

not sure it's the most presidential comment, the shithole countries may feel a bit insulted
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jan 11 16:07:34
or maybe the sources are some pranksters who wanted CNN to say 'shithole' a lot... cause they are (& written in the chyron)

Im better then you
2012 UP Football Champ
Thu Jan 11 16:19:28
White House not denying it. In context Trump wanted more people from good countries like Norway and not shithole countries like Hati and Africa.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jan 11 16:28:53
yeah, White House had a statement justifying the sentiment, not denying the words

CNN claims they have sources now confirming too
Sam Adams
Member
Thu Jan 11 16:36:51
Trump is the hero we need
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jan 11 16:43:18
a WH reporter saying the White House doesn't seem worried about the comments, thinks they will resonate with his base
Aeros
Member
Thu Jan 11 17:12:01
he is right you know.
Im better then you
2012 UP Football Champ
Thu Jan 11 17:14:08
I would love more of my fellow Norwegians but they think USA is a shithole.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jan 11 18:59:51
"@realDonaldTrump, your mouth is the foulest shithole in the world. With what authority do you proclaim who’s welcome in America and who’s not. America’s greatness is built on diversity, or have you forgotten your immigrant background, Donald?"
~Vicente Fox

http://twitter.com/VicenteFoxQue/status/951586161931235328

highbrow diplomacy
Forwyn
Member
Thu Jan 11 20:47:03
"With what authority do you proclaim who’s welcome in America and who’s not."

The same executive authority through which Vicente Faux presided over the beating, incarceration, and deportation of tens of thousands of illegal immigrants on his own southern border?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jan 11 21:54:09
Mia Love is demanding Trump apologize.... the only black female republican representative (and shithole immigrant)
smart dude
Member
Thu Jan 11 22:26:56
"With what authority do you proclaim who’s welcome in America and who’s not."

The authority that comes with being, uh, the President of the United States?

"or have you forgotten your immigrant background, Donald?"

Donald came from Germany, not a shithole.

The dude has a point, and Trump is a retard, but that tweet reeks of virtue signaling bullshit.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jan 11 23:31:36
kinda humorous:

Trump's grandfather came to the US to avoid military service

& Trump's father pretended to be of Swedish heritage when Germany not so popular

(from Frederick Trump wikipedia)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Jan 11 23:34:20
no press briefing tomorrow... Sarah Sanders is probably staring at one of her bibles while shaking uncontrollably
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Fri Jan 12 10:26:14
Rudolf E. Havenstein, Anti-Davos Man‏ @RudyHavenstein · 15h15 hours ago


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Official List of Shithole Countries

Greenspanama
Saudi Neoconia
JPMorganistan
Papua Geithner
North Citigroup
South Citigroup
The Obamas
United Goldman Emirates
Bush Kingdom
Clintony
Bernankenya
Rubin & Tobago
Summersland

swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Fri Jan 12 10:51:44

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Behind Trump’s obscenely racist remarks, there is the historical reality of an asshole country that imposes sanctions, austerity, regime change wars and plunder on the global south with callous disregard. Billions undoubtedly recognize Trump as an empire’s most authentic voice.



11:56 PM - 11 Jan 2018
Rugian
Member
Fri Jan 12 10:57:35
Didn't take long for the r word to get thrown out there, did it. Say what you will about how this might be bad from a diplomatic perspective, but from every economic and social indicator the places in question are shitholes. It's not racist to point that out, sorry.
Paramount
Member
Fri Jan 12 11:03:24
USA itself is in many ways and in many places a shithole country.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jan 12 11:30:30
after ~18 hrs of bad press, the continuous liar offered a weak denial:

"The language used by me at the DACA meeting was tough, but this was not the language used. What was really tough was the outlandish proposal made - a big setback for DACA!"
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jan 12 11:35:43
Dick Durbin was in the meeting & confirmed he said it

there would have been several R's & D's... i don't know of anyone denying he said it (other than the weak, delayed, non-specific garbage from the pile of garbage himself)
Paramount
Member
Fri Jan 12 12:09:16
"The language used by me at the DACA meeting was tough, but this was not the language used."


Everyone says he said "shithole countries". But he says he didn't say it. So what did he say? Why won't he tell us? He is probably full of bullshit as usual. Lying his pants off all the time and to all people.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jan 12 13:08:31
Cotton & Perdue (R's) released this weakass statement:
"In regards to Senator Durbin’s accusation, we do not recall the President saying these comments specifically"

so they could be referring to anything Durbin said, plus the 'don't recall' waffle to cap it

although Tim Scott (R) said Lindsey Graham (R) who was there, confirmed Trump said the thing to him

so liar Trump, Cotton (R), Perdue (R) all weakly denying unspecified comments

Durbin (D) & Scott (R) via Graham (R) confirming 'shithole countries' specifically

so... we all know he said it
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Fri Jan 12 13:10:15

Is there anyone in this thread that has not said or thought the same thing?

Forwyn
Member
Fri Jan 12 13:14:09
"asshole country"

REEEEEE DA RAYCISSSSSSS
delude
Member
Fri Jan 12 13:32:04
"Is there anyone in this thread that has not said or thought the same thing? "

And then denied about saying it? No, except maybe for you.
Pillz
Member
Fri Jan 12 13:44:46
I'd believe Trump before Graham though.
patom
Member
Fri Jan 12 13:47:52
I wonder if he feels the same way about his draft dodging grand father who came here and set up shop running whore houses.
hood
Member
Fri Jan 12 13:50:32
"I'd believe Trump before Graham though."

Can't say I agree with you here. Graham may be scum, but Trump is confirmed to be lying over half the time. Few people are truly that bad.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jan 12 13:55:17
"I'd believe Trump before Graham though."

why? or any person for that matter
Graham has been a Trump suck-up, so would be one likely to defend him

Graham released this statement, not really confirming or denying anything (which basically confirms :p)
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"Yesterday Senator Durbin and I met with President Trump at the White House to discuss our bipartisan proposal on border security and immigration.

"Following comments by the President, I said my piece directly to him yesterday. The President and all those attending the meeting know what I said and how I feel. I've always believed that America is an idea, not defined by its people but by its ideals.

"The American ideal is embraced by people all over the globe. It was best said a long time ago, E Pluribus Unum – Out of Many, One. Diversity has always been our strength, not our weakness. In reforming immigration we cannot lose these American Ideals.

"The American people will ultimately judge us on the outcome we achieve, not the process which led to it.

"I know the bipartisan proposal discussed at the White House can get a lot of support from both sides. As always, I look forward to considering additional ideas that could make the proposal even better.

"I appreciate Senator Durbin's statements and have enjoyed working with him and many others on this important issue. I believe it is vitally important to come to a bipartisan solution to the immigration and border challenges we face today. I am committed to working with Republicans and Democrats to find common ground so we can move forward."
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http://www...uring-immigration-meeting.html
Pillz
Member
Fri Jan 12 13:56:20
Germany wasn't a shit hole though.
Forwyn
Member
Fri Jan 12 13:58:57
Graham should be on the same wall with McCain facing a firing squad for treason.
Forwyn
Member
Fri Jan 12 14:54:01
Barack Obama has sharply criticised David Cameron for the UK’s role in allowing Libya to become a “shit show” after the fall of the dictator Muammar Gaddafi, in an unprecedented attack on a British leader by a serving US President.

http://www...-become-a-s-show-a6923976.html
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jan 12 15:04:56
"I must come to the defense of #Haiti! It's a potentially beautiful and productive country. The problem is that it's filled with shithole people. If the French dominated, they could make it great again. #MakeHaitiGreatAgain"
~Richard Spencer
obaminated
Member
Fri Jan 12 18:16:39
Pretty hilarious how the media is upset by trump calling a shithole a shithole
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jan 12 18:45:52
"Announcing the opening of Shithole Air -- Free, 1-way travel, back to the country of your choice!"
~Ann Coulter
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Fri Jan 12 19:00:14

They will use anything they can against The President.


I'm curious why the never dumped on the Clinton's for ripping off Haiti.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Jan 12 21:07:22
imagine if Trump was a well-informed mature adult... would cut down the negative stories by 90%
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Fri Jan 12 22:24:06

Trump is just like us only he's rich and The President.


He is a common Man.


When he had a building under construction he would spend more time talking with the workers than with the foremen. He got a lot of really good ideas from them.

Another difference between him and some of the guys on this forum. He is not a racist.

Wrath of Orion
Member
Fri Jan 12 22:28:45
lmfao

Holy shit, that was truly hilarious.
Pillz
Member
Fri Jan 12 23:16:52
WoO doesn't believe it's possible to be racist against whites.

He's just progress
Wrath of Orion
Member
Fri Jan 12 23:24:15
Typical derp post - no surprise there.
FUCK YOU FAG
Member
Sat Jan 13 00:03:08
http://qz....translated-shithole-countries/

Media around the world soon picked up on the remark, but not always in English. In Asia, outlets struggled to translate “shithole countries.” Some of their attempts follow (links in Chinese, Korean, and Japanese):

Haiwainet, a news portal of China’s state newspaper People’s Daily, used lan guo, or 烂国, which means “countries that suck.”
Taiwan’s Central News Agency tried niao bu sheng dan de guo jia, or 鳥不生蛋的國家, meaning “countries where birds don’t lay eggs.”
South Korean news portal joins.com went with 거지소굴, pronounced “go-ji-so-gul,” meaning “beggars’ haunts.”
The Japanese daily Sankei opted for 便所のように汚い国, or “Benjo no yō ni kitanai kuni,” meaning “countries that are dirty like toilets.”
hood
Member
Sat Jan 13 00:13:14
^ heh.

I think I like South Korea's translation best. There's something poetic about referring to a shithole country as a beggars' haunt.
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