Utopia Talk / Politics / South Africa is a shithole

Rugian Member	Mon Jan 15 07:36:53 Is South Africa heading for civil war? The country is lurching ever closer to conflict as its volatile Zulu president vows to seize land from whites - while Afrikaner fighters train in the bush -Zuma’s decadence and defiance at his party earlier this month — which cost £1m to stage — comes as South Africa lurches ever closer towards the abyss -The economy is undoubtedly in peril after government bonds were downgraded -Unemployment is 90 per cent in some townships, and riots are widespread By Andrew Malone In South Africa For The Daily Mail Published: 18:40 EST, 28 April 2017 | Updated: 19:57 EST, 28 April 2017 On stage in a stadium in Soweto, the township at the heart of the uprising against apartheid, South Africa’s president, in a green and gold leather jacket, was dancing a Zulu war jig. A court order against ‘hate speech’ meant Jacob Zuma, a former cattle herder, was banned from singing his favourite ‘liberation’ songs, including Bring Me My Machine Gun and Shoot The Boer. But, after listening to speeches in which a succession of obsequious cronies described him as a ‘giant’ alongside African leaders such as Nelson Mandela, Zuma delighted supporters at his 75th birthday celebrations a few days ago with fiery rhetoric instead — and in doing so sounded the death knell for the Rainbow Nation. In front of more than 20,000 people — party loyalists and others bussed in with the promise of free food and ‘Zuma T-shirts’ — he warned the white population he was coming for their land. As armed bodyguards, in black suits and sunglasses, scanned the crowds from the stage, Zuma attacked his white opponents, saying: ‘They are telling us that we will be breaking the law when we take the land — but they broke the law first by stealing our land!’ As cheers rang out, he added: ‘No normal person would sit idly by after his land has been stolen from him. Why should I keep quiet about the land issue? [Whites] hate me because I touched a raw nerve by talking about the economy that all should share in.’ He also attacked his critics among the black population, branding them ‘back stabbers and cowards’. Anyone opposing him was a ‘racist’. Zuma had earlier informed the South African parliament that he planned to introduce a new law allowing land seizures to go ahead without compensation, saying all blacks should unite to ‘take back the land’. Mzwandile Masina, a prominent member of the ruling African National Congress (ANC), made his own incendiary contribution, warning that ‘we will crush’ anyone who stands ‘in the way of nation building’. Whites, who comprise four million out of a total South African population of 50 million, should expect that things will be ‘very, very rough’ for them, Masina warned. He told the crowd that while the white population is small in number, ‘we are many’. ‘I want to say to our white counterparts in South Africa, they must be very, very careful,’ Masina added. ‘This thing of being shown the middle finger by white people because they have gained a new confidence must come to an end. We are not monkeys, we are people.’ Zuma’s decadence and defiance at his party earlier this month — which cost £1m to stage — comes as South Africa lurches ever closer towards the abyss of a Zimbabwe-style collapse and possible violence as black and white factions prepare themselves for conflict. A man, wearing a T-shirt with a photo of Zuma on it, laughed bitterly when I asked him if he had come to the celebrations to support his leader. ‘My friend, I have three children I can barely afford to feed, there is no work, so how do you think I can support this crook,’ he hissed. ‘I only came to see if there was food.’ Expressing sentiments I heard repeatedly from other impoverished black South Africans, the 49-year-old added: ‘At least the whites (under apartheid) gave us jobs. Mandela tried to get rid of black and white and make us grey. This clown is dragging us down and down.’ To underline the scale of the country’s woes, 23 years after apartheid ended, business leaders have just taken out an extraordinary advert on page three of the South African Sunday Times newspaper, warning that the State has been ‘captured’. ‘South Africa is in crisis,’ it said, blaming Zuma for the ‘illegitimate acquisition of South Africa’s natural and financial assets’. The government was guilty of ‘propaganda, slogans, racism and lies’ to silence criticism. The economy is undoubtedly in peril after government bonds were downgraded to junk status. Once a net exporter of food — as neighbouring Zimbabwe was before Robert Mugabe seized land from whites in a programme of ‘racial transformation’ — the country is now forced to rely on imports to feed the population. Unemployment is 90 per cent in some townships, and riots — described as ‘service delivery protests’ by the ANC — are so widespread and frequent they barely get reported. Crime is rampant — with more than 50 murders a day, many sadistic and barbaric — while South Africa is shamed by an appalling record on rape, with a woman sexually assaulted every 23 seconds. Now, many have had enough. Black opposition leaders and a coalition called Save South Africa are staging protests, calling for Zuma to quit. Certainly, Jacob Zuma does not inspire confidence when it comes to running what has long been regarded as Africa’s superpower. Born in Nkandla in 1942, the site of famous battles with British forces in the late-19th century, he was raised in a traditional village. His father, a policeman and village chief, was an adviser to a local Zulu king. As a boy, Zuma herded cattle, collected wild honey and hunted small animals with a spear. Aged 11, he was circumcised with a traditional stone implement after a period learning about Zulu tradition at camps run by elders in the bush. It was there, too, that he was taught about sex, a subject he has taken a close interest in ever since. ‘I was told to be a man among men,’ he said once. Zuma left home at 16 with no qualifications and one year later joined the ANC, becoming a foot soldier for Umkhonto We Sizwe — Spear Of The Nation, the armed wing of the liberation movement which carried out a bombing campaign in a bid to end white minority rule. He was arrested aged 21 for conspiring to overthrow the government and served ten years on Robben Island — alongside Mandela — in the infamous jail. Upon release, he travelled to ANC bases in neighbouring countries such as Mozambique, Zambia and Botswana, and became head of the ANC’s internal intelligence wing known as Mbokodo, or ‘the stone that crushes’. When Nelson Mandela was released in 1990, after 27 years in prison, Zuma returned to South Africa and became deputy president under Thabo Mbeki, from 1999, until being forced out amid corruption allegations in 2005. He became the nation’s fourth black president in 2009. Zuma has had six wives and 22 children and has been linked with numerous other women. In 2005, when he was accused of raping the daughter of an ANC friend, he denied the charges, claiming it was consensual and it was his duty as a ‘Zulu warrior’ to have sex with a woman if she wore a short kanga — an African wrap — and he could not leave her ‘unfulfilled’. ‘In the Zulu culture, you cannot just leave a woman if she is ready,’ he told the court. ‘To deny her sex, that would have been tantamount to rape.’ Despite knowing that the woman was HIV positive, in a country where one in three carries the virus, Zuma was unfazed by criticism that he hadn’t used a condom. ‘I had a shower afterwards,’ he said, cheerfully. Eventually Zuma was cleared, but it is his financial rather than his sexual activities that are the cause of the greatest fears for the future of South Africa. Zuma is now fabulously rich, with a personal fortune estimated at between £15 million and £100 million. How he has acquired this wealth is of particular interest to his opponents. He has been accused of taking huge bribes in an arms deal, and could face up to 783 charges. The real evidence of just how far Zuma has come is at Nklanda, the sprawling palace he built using taxpayers’ funds near the rural home where he grew up. In the style of a Zulu king’s kraal, he has homes here for four of his wives, reportedly connected to his own grander house by tunnels, as well as two helicopter landing pads, and an area for cattle. In a scathing report last year by the public prosecutor, he was ordered to pay back some of the costs of upgrading the presidential palace, including the price of a swimming pool he claimed was needed for water in case of a fire. As Zuma’s wealth and power have grown, the parallels with the collapse of Zimbabwe are ever more striking. Military veterans, who answer only to Zuma and who served in the ANC’s military wing, have paraded on the streets. They formed a guard of honour at Zuma’s recent party. Zimbabwe’s despotic president, Mugabe, also used ‘military veterans’ to seize white farms in 2000, tipping the country into years of decay by following the policies now being proposed by Zuma. Not surprisingly, some white South Africans are taking extreme measures in response. Where once ANC guerrillas camped in the bush, plotting against white rulers, now it is white militias training at secret camps. These are run by leaders of the Kommandokorps, a volunteer force who wear the brown military uniforms of South Africa’s old apartheid-era forces. On remote farms, recruits are being trained with pistols, pump-action shotguns and 303 rifles. More than 2,500 volunteers, aged from 14 to 38, have been drilled. Their leader is Colonel Franz Jooste, a former officer in the old South African army, who fought what he calls ‘black terrorists’ in secret operations in Mozambique, Angola and Zambia. ‘We are in a heightened security situation,’ he told me. ‘We have to prepare for anarchy and how we can protect ourselves.’ The ANC is also training thousands of ‘national rural youth service corps’ at military bases. There are reports that volunteers on the two-year programmes have been promised land. (The ANC denies they are trained as soldiers, but admits they are ‘exposed to military discipline so they become better and more patriotic citizens’.) So deep is the crisis that Archbishop Desmond Tutu, the face of opposition to apartheid while Mandela was in jail, has joined anti-government protests, and described Zuma as ‘disgraceful’. ‘I am warning you that we will pray as we prayed for the downfall of the Apartheid Government,’ the 85-year-old says. ‘We will pray for the downfall of a government that misrepresents us.’ Former president F.W. de Klerk, who, in 1993, was awarded a joint Nobel Peace prize with Mandela, believes thieving from state coffers will spell disaster. ‘Corruption is a deadly threat to South Africa,’ he told me. ‘It has enriched the leadership group — but will make it difficult for the great majority of South Africans to escape from poverty. Most seriously, it has corrupted the values for which leaders like Nelson Mandela struggled. ‘President Zuma is dangerously stoking up racial animosities. The ANC claims that it does not want to repeat the mistakes of Zimbabwe — but it is difficult to see how it would avoid this if it proceeds with expropriation [land grabs] without compensation. ‘We hope that the world will condemn growing institutionalised racism against (white) minorities with the same vigour with which it condemned apartheid.’ Then, if all this were not grim enough, there is Julius ‘Ju Ju’ Malema, a former ANC youth leader tipped as a future South African president, before he fell out with Zuma and created his own anti-white party called the Economic Freedom Fighters. Self-styled ‘Commander in Chief’ Malema has attracted millions of supporters. He has a penchant for fast cars and expensive Breitling watches and makes Zuma seem like a moderate. He has urged blacks to illegally seize white land ‘wherever they see it’. ‘We are not calling for the slaughter of white people — at least for now,’ he said in a recent speech. ‘The rightful owners of the land are black people. No white person is a rightful owner of the land here in South Africa and the whole of the African continent.’ Many believe the country is doomed — even the black leader of one opposition party. ‘Jacob Zuma is dangerous for South Africa,’ said Mumusi Maimane, leader of the Democratic Alliance. ‘He is running a project of destroying South Africa.’ A few days ago, the more apocalyptic warnings about South Africa seemed false as I watched blacks and whites enjoying the Easter break. But when I first visited Zimbabwe 20 years ago, I would never have believed the tranquil breadbasket of Africa would become an economic basket case and a place of horrors, nor that in 2008 I would see millions of worthless bank notes blow through the capital Harare. And I have never forgotten an exchange with one of Mandela’s advisers after I moved to live in Johannesburg 20 years ago. He was shocked when I said I didn’t own a gun. ‘You’d better get one,’ he warned. ‘Africa is a rough continent — anything can happen.’ I didn’t buy a weapon then. I might now if I lived there. For, if Zuma and his cronies choose to follow this corrupt, ruinous and racially destructive path, it won’t matter who ends up president of this magical, troubled country. They will be fighting to be King of the ashes. Read more: http://www...g-civil-war.html#ixzz54GC24Q88 Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
yankeessuck123 Member	Mon Jan 15 08:10:10 Picking on minorities to distract from other glaring problems is indeed a time-tested strategy in many countries.
Rugian Member	Mon Jan 15 08:16:26 Indeed. As a member of a racial minority in the city of Boston, I do feel that white people are routinely targeted by the government, news establishment and educational institutions for the color of their skin. I feel ya YS.
The Third Reich Member	Mon Jan 15 08:40:59 Rugian knows the struggle is real...
Dukhat Member	Mon Jan 15 08:46:09 Rugian really has no care for the issue until it showed up in his stomrfront feed. Then it became the world to him.
Rugian Member	Mon Jan 15 08:54:00 Merely turning YS' SJW horseshit on its head. You can't constantly whine about how minorities are oppressed in America while simultaneously celebrating the imminent arrival of majority-minority status.
Rugian Member	Mon Jan 15 08:55:58 But hey, I'm not one to complain. The anti-white rhetoric that we've incessantly heard from the left over these last several years probably did as much as anything else to cost them the 2016 election. Keep it up fellas.
Rugian Member	Mon Jan 15 08:57:45 But anyway, this is getting away from the point of the OP, which is that South Africa is a shithole. Does anyone here disagree?
yankeessuck123 Member	Mon Jan 15 10:42:20 It's so easy to get you going. Just say a few words, and Rugian's pre-conceptions about who he's talking to take right on over. If he were to ask, I would say that demonizing minorities is bad in any and all societies, whether South Africa, America, or anywhere else. It's not about color.
delude Member	Mon Jan 15 10:49:50 Meltdown.
RugianLovesTheCock Member	Mon Jan 15 10:50:32 Makes sense now that possibly his ex left him for a minority!
Aeros Member	Mon Jan 15 11:33:57 I am just bracing for the Democrats to double down on this crap, nominate Oprah and then give Pence a second term in 2020.
Rugian Member	Mon Jan 15 11:44:24 yankeessuck123 Member Mon Jan 15 10:42:20 It's so easy to get you going. Just say a few words, and Rugian's pre-conceptions about who he's talking to take right on over. You're the type of person that would join the Peace Corps. The preconceptions just sort of write themselves there. "If he were to ask, I would say that demonizing minorities is bad in any and all societies, whether South Africa, America, or anywhere else. It's not about color." America does not demonize its minorities.
yankeessuck123 Member	Mon Jan 15 11:46:48 "America" doesn't, because what's an America? A substantial portion of America does, though. Not in those terms, exactly, because that's not considered acceptable anymore. But Reagan and every right-wing leader since understand how to do it.
Rugian Member	Mon Jan 15 12:07:10 ""America" doesn't, because what's an America?" Oh, you. "But Reagan and every right-wing leader since understand how to do it." Yeah, when I think of GOP leaders like GWB, McCain and Romney, I think of men who were masters at demonizing and fucking over the blacks and Hispanics in coded language and legislation. Kind of a reach dude.
yankeessuck123 Member	Mon Jan 15 13:39:04 Eh, I should have specified what I meant more clearly - dog-whistle racism and implementing policies that aren't racist at face value, but still have a disproportionate negative impact on minority groups have had a firm place in the right-wing handbook for a while now.
Renzo Marquez Member	Mon Jan 15 16:36:53 yankeessuck123 Member Mon Jan 15 13:39:04 "... implementing policies that aren't racist at face value, but still have a disproportionate negative impact on minority groups have had a firm place in the right-wing handbook for a while now." Like laws prohibiting murder? Those certainly have a disparate impact.
Pillz Member	Mon Jan 15 17:39:20 Which racist laws ys?
Senor Marquez Member	Mon Jan 15 18:19:10 I'm a (((lawyer)))!
Dukhat Member	Mon Jan 15 18:21:36 All this shit is conjured up in the mind of helpless retards like Rugian and the merry mind of alt-right assholes on this board. Can they name a single instance of reverse racism denying them opportunity in their own lives? No? That's what I thought. It's all the same shit as Trump where they project and exaggerate using bad fake news sources and then draw the conversation down bizarre areas. Everybody hates Social Justice Warriors but in the real world there are really barely any and they barely have any power. But it's the modern GOP these days. Gaslight. Obfuscate. Project. Rugian would be better served actually reading a self-help book and going back to school but he'll never do that. His white identity politics dominates his sad, miserable red pill life. It's a special combination of racism, ignorance, and sexual frustration as the rest of the world moves on from dumb rednecks.
hood Member	Mon Jan 15 23:35:13 "Like laws prohibiting murder? Those certainly have a disparate impact." Pretty much any law that shits on the poor will affect (most) minorities in an exaggerated way. Voting restriction laws are all designed to shit on minorities. Tax cuts for the rich eventually shit on the poor when the corresponding "responsible spending cut" comes along, as such cuts always target programs for the poor.
Sam Adams Member	Tue Jan 16 10:17:26 How come the normal SJWs are ignoring the anti-white racism of south africa?
Pillz Member	Tue Jan 16 10:48:25 How do voting laws affect minorities? Unless you mean removing their right to vote based on race, I don't see it
delude Member	Tue Jan 16 11:13:01 "I don't see it" Kinda like how whites are being so downtrodden...
obaminated Member	Tue Jan 16 17:15:14 Eh, lets stay focused on the fact that the head of state in south africa is literally singing songs about murdering whites to claim their land and not attempt to compare it to how "racist america is", you fucking idiots.
hood Member	Tue Jan 16 17:38:10 "Eh, lets stay focused on the fact that the head of state in south africa is literally singing songs about murdering whites to claim their land and not attempt to compare it to how "racist america is", you fucking idiots." I don't think anyone has made any sort of comment to be argued about. Pretty much everyone recognizes how stupid and racist those claims are. "How do voting laws affect minorities?" They affect the poor. Minorities are more poor than whites. Anything that affects the poor will disproportionally affect minorities. Pretty straightforward logic there, champ.
obaminated Member	Tue Jan 16 17:43:32 ^ yet wants to talk about american racism in a thread about south africa.
hood Member	Tue Jan 16 17:47:17 What more is there to say than "yes, we all agree this is incredibly racist"? Seriously, you're fucking dumb.
obaminated Member	Tue Jan 16 17:49:50 I guess pivoting to how "voting laws" rffect minorities? You realize how desperate you appear? Similar to your other great hits about trannys and keeping your own money. You basically just like attention, so you say stupid shit to start conversatios you want.
hood Member	Tue Jan 16 17:52:35 Yes, mtard, I started this conversation. Astute observation. What's the phrase? "Stable genius"?
obaminated Member	Tue Jan 16 18:14:27 Your attention whore status was cemented when you tried to argue, like a poli sci 101 student, why it was a good thing for you to keep the money you earned.
hood Member	Tue Jan 16 18:22:46 I don't think you said what you meant to say.
Dukhat Member	Tue Jan 16 20:13:19 Obaminated is so proud of his ignorance. He wears it on his sleeve along with the Swastikas.
obaminated Member	Tue Jan 16 20:48:22 You know me, proud nazi.
Forwyn Member	Tue Jan 16 21:09:02 ^First to be eaten in an apocalypse, because white guys can't wait to eat some half-Mexicans. You'll never be one of us!
mexicantardnado Member	Wed Jan 17 05:10:48 duuuuur Nazis duuuur said I was to durmb for them duuuuur.
Forwyn Member	Wed Jan 17 10:53:29 duuuuuuur leftists can't meme and act like Cuckhat duuuuuuur think we give a shit about anyone's race duuuuuuur can't take a joke duuuuuuur
hood Member	Wed Jan 17 11:04:57 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5NsO3hi2Aqs ^ @ mt, obviously
LazyCommunist Member	Wed Jan 17 11:29:57 USA shithole: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvCGtxeknSg
obaminated Member	Wed Jan 17 18:07:05 Thats off the 57, near the angels stadium. Pretty horrible. Nearly all of those people are white. They got cleared our recently, anaheim PD moved em and shoveled a ton of dirt to make it difficult for them to get back there. But america is racist and it hurts minorities.
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