Utopia Talk / Politics / Crooked Republicans and the Russian memo

Paramount Member	Thu Feb 01 00:55:49 WASHINGTON (AP) — In a remarkably public clash of wills with the White House, the FBI declared Wednesday it has “grave concerns” about the accuracy of a classified memo on the Russia election investigation that President Donald Trump wants released. The FBI’s short and sharp statement, its first on the issue, laid bare a Trump administration conflict that had previously played out mostly behind closed doors in meetings between top Justice Department and White House officials. “As expressed during our initial review, we have grave concerns about material omissions of fact that fundamentally impact the memo’s accuracy,” the FBI said. Further complicating the memo’s release, the top Democrat on the House intelligence committee said late Wednesday that his committee’s vote to release the memo was now invalid because it was “secretly altered” by Republicans who wrote it. California Rep. Adam Schiff said in a letter to House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes that committee Democrats had discovered changes that were made after the panel voted Monday to send it to Trump for review. “The White House has therefore been reviewing a document since Monday night that the committee never approved for public release,” Schiff said in the letter. http://apn...ave-concerns%27-on-Russia-memo
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 01 01:01:14 Nunes should be jailed
Forwyn Member	Thu Feb 01 03:32:31 ^lol
Dukhat Member	Thu Feb 01 03:51:47 Nunes will be in jail within 5 years. This much gaslighting for trump is probably a sign he'd in on the conspiracy. Also a decent shot he loses his seat in california this year too. Republican leaders almost always end up in jail after leaving office. See dennis hastert for an example.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 01 11:47:39 the FBI has stated publicly (after having concerns ignored privately) "As expressed during our initial review, we have grave concerns about material omissions of fact that fundamentally impact the memo’s accuracy" WHY would the committee not want to hear their concerns before dropping this total bullshit from a known bullshitter out to Fox News & the rest of the misleaders Nunes is an enemy of the people... a Hannity
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Thu Feb 01 12:37:43 "the FBI has stated publicly (after having concerns ignored privately)" lol
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 01 12:42:50 the committee denied hearing their concerns they DID release the public statement draw your own conclusions i can't think of a good explanation myself
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 01 13:08:51 Wray could soon be once respected Republican #5 who is actually a corrupt deep stater b/c TRUMP
Forwyn Member	Thu Feb 01 13:21:43 Leftists 1970: The FBI is part of the machine, COINTELPRO was an illegal and unconstitutional political machination meant to quell dissent in a supposedly free democratic republic, and it is a symptom of agency-wide corruption. Leftists 2018: The FBI is the pinnacle of professionalism and any wrongs perpetrated by them are the actions of individuals, there can never be agency-wide guilt. #resist
Trolly McDick Member	Thu Feb 01 13:24:55 "waah you're picking on my here trump waaah." -forseb
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 01 13:42:25 i can't speak for leftists in 1970s nor 2018... but there is clearly a smear campaign going on by Trump defenders against the FBI (based almost entirely on one guy, who is probably a republican, finding Trump to be an unfit buffoon candidate... as he was... and the totally absurd notion of the dossier being misinformation from Hillary) here's the FBI Agents Association feeling a need to defend themselves today (why would they feel that need i wonder): " The FBI Agents Association appreciates FBI Director Chris Wray standing shoulder to shoulder with the men and women of the FBI as we work together to protect our country from criminal and national security threats. As Director Wray noted, FBI Special Agents have remained steadfast in their dedication to professionalism, and we remain focused on our important work to protect the country from terrorists and criminals—both domestic and international. Special Agents take a solemn oath to our country and to the Constitution, and the American public continues to be well-served by the world’s preeminent law enforcement agency. "
Forwyn Member	Thu Feb 01 14:22:07 "possible politicization of a federal law enforcement agency is nbd as long as muh cheetoh man goes down" - fucking idiots like trolly "smear campaign" Possibly. Or perhaps it's first-level accusations. Maybe they can compile them into a dossier for further investigation? "FBI Agents Association" lol. A fucking federal cop lobby, lobbying for federal cops. Historic, to be sure
Trolly McDick Member	Thu Feb 01 14:26:40 "waaaah dey be pickin on my homie Trump waaaah, leave donald alone! #IHATECOPS" -forseb
Forwyn Member	Thu Feb 01 14:29:45 Poor Trolly will probably be flying an extra thin blue line flag today. President Donald Trump is expected to tell the House Intelligence Committee that he does not object to the release of a classified memo about the Trump-Russia investigation, a senior White House official said Thursday. The official said the White House had time over the last couple of days to look over the memo "to make sure it doesn’t give away too much in terms of classification," the official told reporters aboard Air Force One,. "Right now, I think it will be that we tell the Congress, probably tomorrow, that the president is okay with it," the official added, noting that the ultimate release of the memo is in the hands of Congress. http://www...nt-altered-russia-memo-n843556
Trolly McDick Member	Thu Feb 01 14:35:10 Forseb is nervous because he doesn't want his hero Trump to be messed with.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 01 14:38:05 "first-level accusations" wrong... i'm referring to all the shows on Fox calling it a coup, deep state war, corrupt from the start, etc.
Trolly McDick Member	Thu Feb 01 14:39:09 Forseb thinks just that.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 01 14:42:39 there is no chance Trump & Fox News fans will accept anything Mueller comes up with if it's negative to Trump and if this memo smears Rosenstein, it's probably purposely done just to give Trump a way to fire him rather than any accurate info... we shall see
Forwyn Member	Thu Feb 01 14:43:23 It is indeed possible that much of this is polticized and/or staged - much like our vaunted Russian lawyer. If it's not, let him go the way of Nixon. But idiots like Trolly see muh hero cops #resisting and immediately start cheering. Let's the the memos - both of them
hood Member	Thu Feb 01 15:05:37 Is Nunes the dude who was going to release Comeys letter about reopening the Hillary investigation like a week before the investigation? Can't find definitive proof after some cursory googling, but it seems like I'm remembering correctly. If that is the case, there's absolutely no reason to trust his memo now. Guy is a complete shill and an untrustworthy source.
hood Member	Thu Feb 01 15:09:11 "like a week before the investigation" Derp. Election.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 01 15:10:14 there's no reason to release the Nunes memo early... you have Trump's own FBI appointee saying it's misleading & he should be presumed to be unbiased (he was presumed to be just months ago when appointed anyway) whereas Nunes has no presumption of being unbiased, quite the opposite, he's already misled for Trump's benefit if they think Wray is a biased bad actor they shouldn't have appointed him & should be calling for his ousting... & what is the harm in being briefed by the Justice Dept about the concerns
Trolly McDick Member	Thu Feb 01 15:10:40 "But idiots like Trolly see muh hero cops #resisting and immediately start cheering. " And we see forseb anytime the talk of russian investigation, forseb rushes in and cries about "leave muh trump alone, you're being mean."
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 01 15:20:18 Nunes was the guy secretly going to the White House for info, then publicly rushing back to the White House to give them that same info which was supposedly a huge shocking deal... & people pretended it confirmed Trump's 'Obama illegally wiretapped me' bullshit it was about unmasking names on foreign intercepts, and nothing inappropriate ever determined
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 01 15:22:40 Nunes was also on Trump's transition team... and he possibly was formed from a polyp from Trump's colon
Forwyn Member	Thu Feb 01 16:06:41 "forseb rushes in and cries about "leave muh trump alone, you're being mean." Yeah, I've totally done that. Or...I've questioned the veracity of Kremlin chatter, and pointed out that law enforcement agencies are not immune to politicization. Totally the same.
Trolly McDick Member	Thu Feb 01 16:13:21 "Or...I've questioned the veracity of Kremlin chatter, and pointed out that law enforcement agencies are not immune to politicization. " Honestly, no one has really disputed that. But when other objections and viewpoints are presented and it shows that the agency are being utilized for neferious means to and push for a narrative for their gain is due to partisan hackery is when it is being called out. And people like you, forseb, can only focus and pretend that you're on the fence only to point out that "law enforcement agencies are not immune to politicization". Well yes, that goes without saying and almost about any other entity. But it doesn't dismiss the concept of about anything related to the russian investigation that should be thoroughly investigated and the focus should return back to how to prevent russian interfering in our affairs especially related to cyberwarfare. But sure, sit there and pretend that was your M.O. in the first place where clearly you keep repeating talking points that we here from the FN and Breitbart propaganda machine as you masking yourself as some sort of libertarian at any measure you are not. #forsebbed.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 01 16:32:20 Fox News tweet " .@JesseBWatters: "The way Pelosi's acting, & the way Eric Holder's acting, the way James Comey is acting, it leads me to believe that the Democrats, at least, think that it's a very damning memo, & it is going to hurt the Democrats..." " - pretending Comey is a democrat - ignoring Wray has a problem with it - only tossing out Pelosi/Holder/Comey as though they are key players - suggesting the only issue must be that it's damning disgusting across the board
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 01 16:37:17 Comey hasn't even said anything about the memo they just know their viewers hate Pelosi & Holder and they have a need to continue to smear Comey so why not associate him w/ hated people i guess
tumbleweed the wanderer	Thu Feb 01 16:54:34 Donald Trump Jr is a real chip off the old ignorant lump of shit " It was good enough to fire McCabe, no one argues its factually inaccurate, but now days later they want to protect the names of those involved in a scandal that was big enough to fire a senior official a month before retirement? They don’t deserve a pass on that! " - McCabe not fired - "no one argues its factually inaccurate" -> actually that's what everyone is arguing
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Thu Feb 01 17:19:42 News in Brief FBI Warns Republican Memo Could Undermine Faith In Massive, Unaccountable Government Secret Agencies Today 2:42pm •SEE MORE: FBI WASHINGTON—Stressing that such an action would be highly reckless, FBI Director Christopher Wray warned Thursday that releasing the “Nunes Memo” could potentially undermine faith in the massive, unaccountable government secret agencies of the United States. “Making this memo public will almost certainly impede our ability to conduct clandestine activities operating outside any legal or judicial system on an international scale,” said Wray, noting that it was essential that mutual trust exist between the American people and the vast, mysterious cabal given free rein to use any tactics necessary to conduct surveillance on U.S. citizens or subvert religious and political groups. “If we take away the people’s faith in this shadowy monolith exempt from any consequences, all that’s left is an extensive network of rogue, unelected intelligence officers carrying out extrajudicial missions for a variety of subjective, and occasionally personal, reasons.” At press time, Wray confirmed the massive, unaccountable government secret agencies were unaware of any wrongdoing for violating constitutional rights. http://pol...rmine-faith-in-mass-1822639681
Forwyn Member	Thu Feb 01 18:16:38 "But when other objections and viewpoints are presented and it shows that the agency are being utilized for neferious means to and push for a narrative for their gain is due to partisan hackery is when it is being called out. The authorship does imply hackery as a motivation to investigate possible FISA abuses, but this does not rule out FISA abuses. We're not really in a position to call out anything until we see the memo. Instead you're frothing at the mouth to discredit the author because...resisting, or something? Or because we take the word of the involved immediately, if they're on the other side of the fence from Trump, even though we say that we're all aware of possible politicization of agencies. "And people like you, forseb, can only focus and pretend that you're on the fence only to point out that "law enforcement agencies are not immune to politicization"." Nonsense, toolbag. "If it's not, let him go the way of Nixon." "But it doesn't dismiss the concept of about anything related to the russian investigation" If the investigation is politicized bullshit like some anti-Trump lawyer like Veselnitskaya trying to entrap folks (funny how quickly those articles fell off the radar), then yes, it is possible for much of it to be dismissed. "the focus should return back to how to prevent russian interfering in our affairs especially related to cyberwarfare." True. Specifically voting machines; I don't think we should overly concern ourselves with private groups who refuse federal assistance. Also not terribly concerned with intel memo screeching about Ruskie social media. "But sure, sit there and pretend that was your M.O. in the first place" To laugh at "Nunes should be jailed" as twitter idiocy, and to remind folks that the FBI is not a historical bastion of professionalism that should always be trusted? Sure. "as you masking yourself as some sort of libertarian at any measure you are not." It's unlibertarian to not automatically trust federal agencies; to say we should let investigations run their course; that there should be less classification and more transparency, like our vaunted memos; while maintaining that if the President broke laws, he should face the music just as any of us would. REEEEEEE. #trolled.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Feb 02 00:34:59 if Nunes (once again) is deliberately misleading the public to help Trump are you fine with it? he should face no consequences (other than at re-election)? (while smearing the FBI in the process w/ the misleading claims) =========== here's Hannity prepping everyone to find it completely wrong to use the dossier: “Let’s say Donald Trump produces a memo that says Hillary Clinton had hookers in her room in a Ritz-Carlton hotel in Moscow urinating on her bed,” Hannity exclaimed. “Now, if that was in there, and it was not true, and then it ends up being the basis in part for a FISA warrant against her by used by Trump, you would be pretty pissed off and the media would be apoplectic tonight, true or false?” http://www...g-to-sleep-after-beds-peed-on/ Hillary didn't produce this dossier... and that story hasn't even been proven false... and that story certainly isn't going to be the part of the dossier used to help with the FISA warrant
Trolly McDick Member	Fri Feb 02 04:15:28 "The authorship does imply hackery as a motivation to investigate possible FISA abuses, but this does not rule out FISA abuses. We're not really in a position to call out anything until we see the memo." You want to base the opinion about FISA warrant acquisition on a memo that is clearly been modified to further the narrative by a very questionable source. Where their role was to recuse themselves from the Russian probe. Where it is most likely that it may only constituted the most minor of role if at all to be utilized for that acquisition. That in itself is laughable. And to anticipate the release of the memo to make that determination only perpetuates the bias that exists. "Nonsense, toolbag. " Yes-sense, Putin/Trump fluffer. "If the investigation is politicized bullshit like some anti-Trump lawyer like Veselnitskaya trying to entrap folks (funny how quickly those articles fell off the radar), then yes, it is possible for much of it to be dismissed. " Articles don't receive as much recognition as others, considering the rapid reporting of information nowadays. But just like a lead at time goes cold in an investigation. Sometimes they go to a dead end and may or is not prevalent or conducive to the investigation. Hence why it's an investigation. "True. Specifically voting machines; I don't think we should overly concern ourselves with private groups who refuse federal assistance. Also not terribly concerned with intel memo screeching about Ruskie social media. " Honestly not so much about the voting machines. This is more on other cyber infrastructure that has been compromised over the years attempted by various countries. The most prominent out of those has been Russia. There have been reports about breach after breach, from GW Bush, to Obama during their administrations and the best we can muster is 'sanctions.' Obama handed to Trump what major concerns there are regarding this subject matter. Trump so far is ignoring it. Trump so far is trying to do everything he can to impede an investigation that seemingly implicates him in some sort of manner. He has pushed anything Russian related as far away as he could at the expense of American interest and security. Especially when you have all intel organizations explaining the threats there are and your congress and senate expressing the same information as well and believing it. Trump can't even admit that either. "To laugh at "Nunes should be jailed" as twitter idiocy, and to remind folks that the FBI is not a historical bastion of professionalism that should always be trusted? Sure. " Nor of our government, but we still rely on them on our local, state, and federal levels. Sometimes cynicism can be your own worst enemy. But this is also an attempt to exploit short comings of an agency that does have a better track record than not in protecting American public and interests. An attempt to politicize it to manipulate a situation due to Trump's own fears that he most likely did something wrong. (And yes, you have an inclination to start bringing up anecdotal evidence to show that FBI does things wrong and how does it protect American public/interests blah blah blah ad nauseum) "It's unlibertarian to not automatically trust federal agencies; to say we should let investigations run their course; that there should be less classification and more transparency, like our vaunted memos; while maintaining that if the President broke laws, he should face the music just as any of us would. " It isn't about automatically trusting. It's about benefit of the doubt. As I said previously cynicism can be your own worst enemy and to further that notion to cloud your objectivity being unable to assess or to critically or analytically think clearly about the subject matter at hand because your bias is completely in the way. Trump may be cleared of any wrong doing. Trump probably had no clue that this kids, son-in-law, and various other members of his circle of fuckheads that don't care about America do whatever the hell they want. But it is not an excuse to thwart, impede, or do everything you can to an investigation, especially if you are touting that you have nothing to worry about. Trump's own sentiment in that regards. And with you, it seemingly appears that you support such attempts only because of your disdain and bias you have for law enforcement. 'reeeeeee' @boohooforseb
Trolly McDick Member	Fri Feb 02 04:51:49 " if the President broke laws, he should face the music just as any of us would. " I meant to specifically address this part; "The president cannot obstruct justice." -Trump's lawyers. Don't see you screaming and yelling about that... 'reeeEEErrrrreeeeeEEEEeeeeeeee'
Dukhat Member	Fri Feb 02 09:21:44 Forwyn is such a fucking idiot. We can discredit Nunes because he tried the same bullshit before and is suppose to be recused anyways. And the memo is worthless since it's all selective bullshit and Nunes won't even allow the Dem response to the memo to be released. And most of all FOrwyn is a fucking idiot because he resorts to the same Cuckservative arguments of DURRR CANT TRUST FBI DURR CANT TRUST MEDIA DURRR DEMOCRATS. Why? Because he knows shit and when ignorant people don't know anything they attack institutions and large groups of people rather than dealing with the facts on the ground. Dumbfuck.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Fri Feb 02 11:06:22 "they attack institutions and large groups of people rather than dealing with the facts on the ground." Or even a single individual when I am the one presenting the facts.
werewolf dictator Member	Fri Feb 02 21:02:54 so hillary and democrats colluded with russians and proven lying brit [who lies and deceives the fbi etc].. to create made up accusations used by politicized secret police to spy on trump campaign if hillary and associated democrats and politicized secret police don’t all end up in jail.. then usa really is a shithole
tumbleweed the wanderer	Fri Feb 02 21:47:48 ...or the FBI used a collection of information of varying quality to properly request a warrant as would be typical
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