Welcome to the Utopia Forums! Register a new account
The current time is Sun May 20 08:42:08 2018

Utopia Talk / Politics / The Dossoer Was Used
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Fri Feb 02 10:56:34

to gain at least one FISA Warrant.

So there you have at least one warrant that was gained by using false research.

That is a very serious crime,

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Fri Feb 02 11:02:19

The memo and dossier have been released to FOX just minutes ago.

Sam Adams
Member
Fri Feb 02 11:09:53
Lol. Theres not a single person involved with this that has an ounce of credibility.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Fri Feb 02 11:14:16

Theu are saying now that McKay was the one guilty of getting that warrant.

He should be in prison without his retirement.


Sounds like they have other top level people involved in obtaining warrants illegally.



I'm trying to type this while they are talking.

This is just their first impressions. They have not had time to dissect it yet.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 02 11:20:48
thank you for illustrating the problem with this memo perfectly :p

Nunes should be jailed & most of Fox News

(Memo has been foolishly released)
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Fri Feb 02 11:23:41

Agreed, Nunes belongs in jail.

Not FOX news. They are just doing their job of reporting the news,

Paramount
Member
Fri Feb 02 11:25:35
It is evident that Dishonest Donald does not want the investigation to continue and that he is obstructing justice. He doesn’t want the truth about his and his team’s collusion with Russia to be known for Americans. Dishonest Donald and Republicans rather side with Russia than with America. lolz.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Fri Feb 02 11:27:32

They are saying thins will likely **NOT** stop the investigation.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Fri Feb 02 11:28:10
*-this
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 02 12:05:21
watch Hannity, see what his take will be

a memo written by a Hannity, interpreted by Hannity... we may reach a whole new dimension of bullshit
hood
Member
Fri Feb 02 12:08:44
What is inherently illegal about using raw intelligence like the Steele dossier?

Part of it corroborated separate sources of intel. An investigation to verify the rest is 100% logical. What turns out false can simply be discarded.
obaminated
Member
Fri Feb 02 12:12:24
So what we have been saying has been confirmed. FBI was bias, wanted to spy on candidate trump and knowingly used a false report to get a warrant to wire tap team trump.

burn em all
hood
Member
Fri Feb 02 12:18:51
^ inaccurate
American Democrat
Member
Fri Feb 02 12:24:31
Obaminated youre mistaken.
Rugian
Member
Fri Feb 02 12:27:08
Not having seen any specifics yet, is it too much to hope that Obama lands in prison for this? The riots that would erupt from the sight of the Magic Negro in handcuffs would be epic.
obaminated
Member
Fri Feb 02 12:38:55
My summary is pretty accurate
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 02 12:48:14
your summary based on a total hack
hood
Member
Fri Feb 02 12:55:20
Parts of the dossier have been verified. Unless you define "false report" to mean "containing accurate information," you are not accurate.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 02 12:55:32
also note how HR agreed Nunes should be jailed, so likely doesn't know who Nunes is, suggesting Fox News not noting how completely worthless this memo is
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 02 12:56:30
"That’s it? Dishonest and misleading memo wrecked the House intel committee, destroyed trust with Intelligence Community, damaged relationship with FISA court, and inexcusably exposed classified investigation of an American citizen. For what? DOJ & FBI must keep doing their jobs."
~ James Comey, hero
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 02 13:08:47
Memo is here (last 4 pages)

http://doc...TG-115-IG00-20180129-SD001.pdf

entirely about the FISA on Carter Page & trying to smear Steele... although it says they've used info from Steele before citing: "FISA relied on past record of credible reporting on other unrelated matters" so maybe he's not a corrupt source?

as seemingly the sole evidence of him being a bad actor, they claim Steele said he didn't want Trump to be president... but that was Sept 2016 & could very well be because of all his research into Trump's Russia ties

it does NOT say the dossier is fake or false at all... unless using the 'unverified' means fake...

so a bunch of misleading bullshit as expected

Steele has a past record of good info, Hillary being the base payer for his work this time means NOTHING... no one hires people for fake research, you'd hire a fiction writer, not an investigator

execute Nunes... & Hannity... & Fox&Friends... & Jesse Watters... & Judge Jeanine & all the other shills
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Fri Feb 02 13:14:01

John Cardillo
✔ @johncardillo

.@comey, you testified under oath to Congress that the dossier was “salacious and unverified,” yet you certified its veracity to the FISA Court prior to that testimony.

Thats perjury, obstruction of justice, abuse of authority...what am I missing? #ObamaGate


1:30 PM - Feb 2, 2018

122 122 Replies

1,025 1,025 Retweets

1,721 1,721 likes
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 02 13:16:48
"yet you certified its veracity to the FISA Court"

according to who?
American Democrat
Member
Fri Feb 02 13:17:58
What they are missing is how pretty much everything works.
swordtail
Anarchist Prime
Fri Feb 02 13:21:05
02 February 2018



The FBI and CIA Failed Coup Against Trump Unravels by Publius Tacitus


Based on the memo released today by the House Intelligence Committee (read it here), current and former members of the FBI and the Department of Justice who signed off on applications to the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court will likely face contempt of court charges. Who? James Comey, Andy McCabe, Sally Yates, Dana Boente and Rob Rosenstein. The effectively lied to a Federal judge. That is not only stupid but illegal.

Here are the critical points from the Nunes memo that you should commit to memory.:
•The Steele Dossier played a critical role in obtaining approval from the FISA court to carry out surveillance of Carter Page according to former FBI Deputy Director Andy McCabe.
•Christopher Steele was getting paid by the DNC and the FBI for the same information.
•No one at either the FBI nor the DOJ disclosed to the court that the Steele dossier was paid for by an opposition political campaign.
•The first FISA warrant was obtained on 21 October 2016 based on a story written by Michael Isikoff for Yahoo News based on information he received directly from Christopher Steele--THE FBI DID NOT DISCLOSE IN THE FISA APPLICATION THAT STEELE WAS THE ORIGINAL SOURCE OF THE INFORMATION.
•Christopher Steele was a long standing FBI "source" but was terminated as a source after telling Mother Jones reporter David Corn that he had a relationship with the FBI.
•The FBI signers of the FISA applications/renewals were James Comey and Andy McCabe.
•The DOJ signers of the FISA applications/renewals were Sally Yates, Dana Boente and Rod Rosenstein
•Even after Steele was terminated by the FBI, he remained in contact with Deputy Attorney General Bruce Our, whose wife worked for FUSION GPS and was involved with the Steele dossier.

If you go back and read carefully what Isikoff reported in September 2016 it appears that the CIA and the DNI (as well as the FBI) are implicated in spreading the disinformation about Trump and Russia. Isikoff wrote:



U.S. intelligence officials are seeking to determine whether an American businessman identified by Donald Trump as one of his foreign policy advisers has opened up private communications with senior Russian officials — including talks about the possible lifting of economic sanctions if the Republican nominee becomes president, according to multiple sources who have been briefed on the issue. . . .
But U.S. officials have since received intelligence reports that during that same three-day trip, Page met with Igor Sechin, a longtime Putin associate and former Russian deputy prime minister who is now the executive chairman of Rosneft, Russian’s leading oil company, a well-placed Western intelligence source tells Yahoo News.

Who were the "intelligence officials" briefing the select members of the House and Senate? That will be one of the next shoes to drop. We are likely to learn in the coming days that John Brennan and Jim Clapper were also trying to help the FBI build a fallacious case against Trump.

The rats will start scrambling in earnest for the lifeboats. The Trump coup has failed.

http://tur...s-by-publius-tacitus.html#more
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 02 13:23:00
"Based on the memo released today..."

garbage in, garbage out
American Democrat
Member
Fri Feb 02 13:24:39
And let loose the false flags excrement to be yes forth by those to stifle an investigation as it is getting too close to home. As the distraction progresses and gain traction by those who refuse to take their heads out of the sand only but a moment to shove it into another hole which would be Trump's derrier.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 02 13:24:49
i read the memo

it's clearly misleading... every insinuation has an easy counter, i barely need the Dem response memo
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 02 13:29:39
also should be noted the memo references the original FISA warrant plus 3 renewals (most likely to smear as many individuals as possible as that's when names are noted)

they wouldn't need the dossier for the renewals, they'd be getting dirt... so there is literally NO reason to smear the people asking for renewals yet that's what's going on

they don't even mention what FISA Rosenstein signed, doesn't seem like a Carter Page one, so no idea why he's in the memo at all... other than to try to taint the whole investigation as was it's sole purpose in being written obviously

Dukhat
Member
Fri Feb 02 13:32:25
The only thing this memo revealed is that the cuckservatives on this board may actually have negative IQ.

What profoundly ignorant people you assholes are.
Dukhat
Member
Fri Feb 02 13:37:24
You can clearly tell what happened from what the memo omits. The FBI used multiple justifications in order to wiretap Trump's associate. Of course, they cannot reveal what the other justifications are because it would harm intelligence-gathering.

But Nunes did it anyways because the Republican base is retards like Forwyn that deeply distrust everything because they would rather believe a lie that reinforces their own prejudices than see the truth.

Look at how Hot Rod instantly thinks of Hannity's insanity as the truth.

70% of the country ain't buying this shit. Even many Republicans know this is a political stunt and are talking about how they 100% stand by the FBI.

Trump and Nunes are covering their own ass with the most blatant political stunt ever.
Sam Adams
Member
Fri Feb 02 13:41:43
The fbi used many sources but one of them was a mccain and clinton paid for political hack. Oops.
Cold Rod
Member
Fri Feb 02 13:42:03
This is obviously an attempt to do what they can to save their asses.
Dukhat
Member
Fri Feb 02 13:43:34
Sam Adams thinks anyone cares what he says after he outed himself as a stormfronter. Fuck you racist.
Rugian
Member
Fri Feb 02 13:45:53
I care.
RugianLovesTheCock
Member
Fri Feb 02 13:46:39
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 02 13:48:32
"
I'm asking a serious question here

Releasing the Nunes memo is intended to undermine the Mueller inquiry. Surely this is the prelude to Trump firing Mueller.

Would he be bothering to risk impeachment if the Russia inquiry was not going to topple him ?

Sensible answers, please.
"
~John Cleese, Monty Python
Dukhat
Member
Fri Feb 02 14:07:24
Some of the better points I've read:

"It asserts that Page was only under investigation because of the Dossier. Page had been under FISA investigation since 2014 (2013?).

"It asserts that the Dossier was a partisan creation of Hillary and pro-Hillary elements. It was originally conceived and funded by Republicans.

"It seems to assert that Papa was under investigation BEFORE and INDEPENDENT OF Page and the Dossier. I have no idea how that was supposed to help the Trump cause.

"Without being able to see the classified info behind it to confirm that the Dossier was the only thing used to approve a new Page FISA investigation (which still isn't illegal or necessarily improper, especially if the Dossier is accurate), there is nothing here. It is three pages of complaining about Steele not liking Trump enough to provide the FISA court with very troubling information about Trump and the people in his immediate orbit."

Mexicantardnado
Member
Fri Feb 02 14:08:59
Duuur see i tolds u guyz duuuuuur remember duuur I don't like trump duuuuur so you cat say i dooo duuuur tho duuur i believe duuur inaccurate duuur information duuur that defends him duuur because I do like trump duuiuir I voted for him duuur tho I said I didn't duuuur
hood
Member
Fri Feb 02 14:09:35
If Trump interferes with the investigation again, he should just be impeached on the spot.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 02 14:11:21
mostly agree... except on point 2... Fusion GPS was hired by Republicans initially, but I don't think Steele had yet been hired til Dems took it over after Trump won nomination

although as i noted the memo does say Steele was already a trusted source by FBI so in a way this memo only solidifies rationale for using the dossier (which has not been proven fake anywhere, no matter how many times Trump shills say so)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 02 14:13:46
that above 'mostly agree' was to Dukhat

but also agree w/ hood

there's almost nothing in the memo about Rosenstein other than him signing one unknown FISA request... yet Trump asked if he had confidence in or would fire Rosenstein (unclear which question he was responding to) but he said 'you figure that one out'... (& that was after suggesting many people should be ashamed of what's in this total bullshit memo)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 02 14:26:19
a good 12 tweet response to the memo by some attorney general candidate:
http://twitter.com/renato_mariotti/status/959485307384102913
Forwyn
Member
Fri Feb 02 14:28:22
"Agreed, Nunes belongs in jail."

lol
Aeros
Member
Fri Feb 02 14:54:01
This whole thing is stupid.
Forwyn
Member
Fri Feb 02 15:19:26
2) The Carter Page FISA application also cited extensively a September 23, 2016, Yahoo News article by Michael Isikoff, which focuses on Page's, July 2016 trip to Moscow. This article does not corroborate the Steele dossier because it derived from information leaked by Steele himself to Yahoo News. The Page FISA application incorrectly assesses that Steele did not directly provide information to Yahoo News. Steele has admitted in British court filings that he met with Yahoo News-and several other outlets-in September 2016 at the direction of fusion GPS. Perkins Coie was aware of Steele's initial media contacts because they hosted at least one meeting in Washington D.C. in 2016 with Steele and Fusion GPS where this matter was discussed.

a) Steele was suspended and then terminated as an FBI sources for what the FBI defines as the most serious of violations-an unauthorized disclosure to the media of his relationship with the FBI in an October 30, 2016, Mother Jones article by David Corn. Steele should have been terminated for his previous undisclosed contacts with Yahoo and other ourlets in September-before the Page application was submitted to FISC in October-but Steele improperly concealed from and lied to the FBI about those contacts.

Holy shit rofl
Sam Adams
Member
Fri Feb 02 15:23:16
Lol cuckhat why are you such a cuck?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 02 15:27:53
we don't know how relevant 2) is to the FISA request... only a worthless Nunes characterization

how is a) relevant even if accurate? it wouldn't suggest any bad faith in his dossier

and if there was improper use in that news article it certainly doesn't prove bias, or suggest in any way the entire investigation is corrupt (as is the narrative being pushed)
Trolly McDick
Member
Fri Feb 02 15:29:51
Claim: The FBI should have told a judge about information “favorable” to Page when requesting a warrant, such as the Democratic National Committee's connection to the funding for the Steele Dossier.

Background
The DNC provided funding to continue the investigation run by Fusion GPS into President Donald Trump and his ties to Russia, but the investigation was originally funded by conservative outlet the Washington Free Beacon during the Republican primaries as an attempt to gain some opposition research to undermine Trump.
Fusion GPS hired Christopher Steele, a former British intelligence agent, to investigate connections between Trump and Russia, and Steele included some of the raw intelligence he gathered in the now infamous Steele Dossier that included claims about Page meeting Russian officials in Moscow. Those claims have been subsequently corroborated, and Page has admitted having those meetings.

There is no legal obligation for the FBI to provide evidence that could argue against their own warrant request. Instead several layers of Justice Department officials have to approve the request based on corroborated claims.

Assessment

However the Steele Dossier was funded, it wouldn’t matter because any assertions from the dossier used in the warrant request would have to have been backed up elsewhere, according to Justice Department rules.
Claim: Steele was suspended as an informant to the FBI for leaking to the press

Background
Steele stopped working with the FBI in October, 2016, according to testimony from Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson. Simpson told the Senate Judiciary Committee that Steele had stopped working with the FBI because he was concerned about leaks to the press, particularly after an October 31 story published by the New York Times claimed that the FBI had not found a link between Russia and the Trump campaign.

“I understand Chris severed his relationship with the FBI out of concern that he didn’t know what was happening inside the FBI and there was a concern that the FBI was being manipulated for political ends by the Trump people and that we didn’t really understand what was going on,” Simpson testified.

Assessment
The memo’s claims could be true, that Steele was in fact rejected as an informant, but at least one person directly involved with his relationship with the FBI said that it was actually Steele who cut off ties.

Claim: Steele was the source behind the September 23, 2016 Yahoo story that talked about Page’s trip to Moscow, a critical part of the evidence used for a warrant against Page.

Background
Part of the memo’s claims about Steele and his relationship to the FBI stem from assertions that Steele was leaking information about the investigation to the press. Steele did talk to several outlets, including a lengthy interview with Mother Jones. In court filing Fusion GPS acknowledged having spoken to several other outlets, including Yahoo. There’s no proof that Steele was the person who spoke to Yahoo, but it is likely given his discussion with other outlets.

Assessment

We don’t know how critical the Yahoo article was to the warrant request, since the request itself is classified and, unlike the partisan memo, has not been released. Regardless of what was in the Yahoo article Justice Department policy would have required that officials verify the claims before including the information in a FISA warrant request.

LOL forseb
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 02 15:29:56
also the investigation had already started months before this FISA warrant, plus Carter Page is supposedly a nobody volunteer so yet more reason this should not be being used to smear the investigation
Forwyn
Member
Fri Feb 02 15:43:51
"how is a) relevant even if accurate? it wouldn't suggest any bad faith in his dossier"

1) Yes, yes it does. If Steele was running around leaking to even Mother Jones of all places, to try to stop Trump from getting elected, his work is absolutely called into question, just as much as your skepticism of Nunes for the opposite side.

2) If Steele had already been booted as a contact for malfeasance, and this was concealed at the reapplication, this is a felony.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 02 16:34:52
Steele being anti-Trump AFTER researching him and finding all his info does not seem shocking to me... presumably he believes his own research

as to firing... this is the problem w/ a Nunes memo... the least credible person in congress i can think of on Trump matters... we don't know what is true (the thing Trolly posted says not fired... i don't know rules of sources, or what he said to news, yadda yadda)

and we need to separate what are likely your (Forywn) issues (improper FISA behavior) with how this memo being used:

team Trump: this memo proves biased behavior by FBI & the investigation is a sham

anti Trump: no it doesn't... at all (which is the correct side)

it states Steele was a trusted source in past matters therefore there is ZERO evidence the FBI was purposely relying on a Dem-paid source... they are relying on a known source

i can't say (and no one can based on this Nunes memo) if any impropriety in the FISA process... but that isn't the argument being battled by hardly anyone anyway

we need the Dem response, and preferably the FISA warrant... however seems absurd to claim all these people purposely acting improperly

"A lot of people should be ashamed of themselves." ~Trump

based on what? the FBI using info from a known trusted source on a guy who had already had enough dirt on him to be investigated prior to ever joining Trump's campaign?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 02 18:04:39
Seb Gorka... a guy who was in the Trump's white house:

“It has to be put in the context of the history of our great nation. Remember, why was America created? It was created because of the use of power by a leader thousands of miles away. That’s why America was created. It was about a tea tax and stationing troops on private property without permission.

This is 100 times bigger. This is our government spying on political adversaries. This is federal law enforcement officials obstructing justice. You listed all of the things Clinton and her team did. The FBI destroyed the laptops that were part of the Clinton investigation. Who gave that order?”

http://www...aused-the-american-revolution/
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 02 18:50:31
here's a US congressman calling for charges of treason for all the FBI people mentioned in the memo

http://twitter.com/RepGosar/status/959508977095602176

Trump ruined America
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Fri Feb 02 22:29:49

How?

By being the target?

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Feb 02 23:21:04
by allowing the crazed zaniness of Hannity to be standard discourse
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sat Feb 03 01:44:40

Trump has absolutely nothing to do with Hannity's reporting other than deciding to come on his program or not.

And I don't think he has done that since the election.


tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Feb 03 10:35:37
"Hannity's reporting"
ugh... those words together grate on the ears

and actually they talk all the time... possibly using phone technology

plus they have had dinners together
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sat Feb 03 10:51:56

Let us face it.

The democrats have made themselves crazy the last year and now everything they accused President Trump of is now crashing down around their ears.

Can we call that Social Justice?

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Feb 03 10:58:19
yeah, keep believing known liar Trump & his known liar pal Hannity (did Trump's birtherism pan out? how about Hannity's Seth Rich crusade?)


you realize the memo is entirely about Carter Page right? the campaign says he was a nobody volunteer, AND he had quit the campaign BEFORE this FISA, AND he was already on the radar from prior Russia contacts well before campaign...

and the memo admits the investigation began well before this FISA request... so it proves NOTHING about the Mueller investigation even if the memo was accurate which it isn't

plus the memo admits Steele a trusted source of FBI thus it is not them deliberately relying on dem-paid info to begin with
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sat Feb 03 11:06:34

LOL.

Face it, the Trump, Russian "scandal", has been a democratic scandal all along.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Feb 03 11:25:18
why did Paul Ryan say this has nothing to do with the investigation?

and:
"
As I have said repeatedly, I also remain 100 percent confident in Special Counsel Robert Mueller. The contents of this memo do not - in any way - discredit his investigation."
"
~ Trey Gowdy... Benghazi pitbull
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sat Feb 03 11:31:02

I don't know that they really said that.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Feb 03 11:34:41
well Fox News is doing a great job shielding you from facts

this is Trey's tweet
http://twitter.com/TGowdySC/status/959495152770469888

video of Paul Ryan:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2018/02/01/ryan_nunes_memo_does_not_impugn_fbi_mueller_or_rosenstein.html
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Feb 03 11:58:03
whereas this is Trump's expected total bullshit assessment:

"
This memo totally vindicates “Trump” in probe. But the Russian Witch Hunt goes on and on. Their was no Collusion and there was no Obstruction (the word now used because, after one year of looking endlessly and finding NOTHING, collusion is dead). This is an American disgrace!
"
~ stable genius who doesn't know how to use quotation marks
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Feb 03 12:52:32
#YoMemoJokes

Hey, Devin. Yo memo so bankrupt, it used to be a Trump casino.

Hey, Yo’ Memo...Y2K called...it wants it’s pointless hype back. (~Alyssa Milano)

Yo memo so lame it uses a handicapped space at the mall (~Stephen King)

Yo memo is such a disaster Trump threw a roll of paper towels at it.

Yo Memo was so childish Roy Moore got banned from a mall for trying to date it.

Yo memo is so lazy, it plans to spend a weekend at Mar-a-Lago

Yo memo's got the facts so perverted, @tedcruz "accidentally" liked it on Twitter.

Yo memo's so full of holes, the NRA sent it thoughts and prayers.

Yo memo is such garbage that Scott Baio threw it out in the dumpster at the end of his Subway shift.
werewolf dictator
Member
Sat Feb 03 16:05:43
my takeaways..

* one thing we know beyond all doubt is that hillary colluded with the russians and lied about what she was doing and that she belongs in prison.. it is absolutely shameful that this russia colluding traitor isn’t already on trial

* according to memo.. mccabe has testified that no fisa authorization would have been given without steele dossier [which hillary the russian colluding traitor underwrote in producing].. the democrats [who are known to be actual russian colluding traitors] have just been caught in another big lie trying to block release of bombshell memo by saying release would jeopardize national security and undermine the rule of law which is now an obvious and laughable big lie now we can see contents of memo and it does no such thing.. but these big lie democrats are now anonymously claiming mccabe did not say that fisa order needed steele claims for approval.. meanwhile the untainted republicans [not hiding themselves as anonymous sources] say they have mccabe recorded saying this.. #releasetherecording

* the politicized usa secret police [aka fbi] used steele’s leaks to the press in order to circularly “corroborate” dossier by steele.. relying on foreign spy who [according to memo] lied and concealed his activities from usa politicized secret police [fbi].. so far i haven’t seen lying democrats try to deny that steele was a big liar to fbi [which makes steele a big untrustworthy liar].. hopefully lying democrats will be so foolish as to start claiming steele is not a big fat liar [so untainted republicans can release proof for memo that he the big liar that currently democrats won’t even anonymously deny]

* former members of usa secret police are coming out of their holes saying secret police is really upset about public getting any transparency about what’s supposed to be big unaccountable unelected secret police and are preparing to go to war against elected president of usa [while still not going after the candidate who we know for 100% fact actually did treasonously collude with russians aka hillary]
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Feb 03 16:25:02
* are we saying 'Hillary colluded w/ Russians' because the investigator hired by the neutral firm hired by the Clinton campaign used contacts in Russia to gather intel about goings on in Russia? that claim seems silly when stated honestly now doesnt it...

* we don't know what McCabe said... biased memo says one thing, Dems say he didn't (and not anonymously)

* memo doesn't say anything about Steele lying about his dossier contents, nor that they are false in any way... only ever says dossier characterized as 'minimally corroborated' at some point, and 'unverified' at some point

* not sure what your 4th point referring to, complaints are the memo is misleading as is obvious... no one can possibly say it is a clear & honest report of what occurred


more reasonable Republicans (basically every non Trump shill) are not up in arms with all these accusations of the crazy Trump train
werewolf dictator
Member
Sat Feb 03 17:13:11
trump is being absurdly investigated for theoretically colluding with russians to reveal 100% true wikileaks emails of misdoings of dnc.. meanwhile hillary hired lying foreign spy to certainly collude with russians to come up with absurd accusations against trump.. and we know she knew her own guilt in this collusion and treason since she illegally lied and tried to hide what she was doing from the usa government

we know what mccabe said because the one trustworthy party says they have him recorded.. but the sooner this recording is released the better [no doubt with renewed screeching objections from shameless big lie democrats that this would jeopardize national security and the rule of law etc]

memo doesn’t have to prove the negative that there is no pee-pee tape or the negative [a la muhammed atta doing iraq al qaeda 911 conspiracy] that there was no super-villanous secret meeting in prague by cohen and russians [as central points of steele dossier] when there is no evidence cohen was ever in prague at any time in his life.. but steele being a liar makes the idea of needing to disprove these loch-ness-monster witch-trial negatives all the more ridiculous
Dukhat
Member
Sat Feb 03 17:14:16
Just when I thiught hot rod couldn't be any dumber, Wereworlf comes in with absolute nonsense.

Forum is really dead. It's retards and then sensible people who all get called liberals by the retards.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Feb 03 17:20:25
why aren't all republicans calling things a sham if this memo proves all these wacky things the Trump side claiming?


Fox News decided to put the guy with the most outlandish assessment of the memo on the air:
(the guy who says all the top people are traitors & has asked AG to file charges)
http://ins...p-fbi-doj-officials-named-memo
he's working off the premise the dossier fake & they all knew it (neither of those true, or even suggested in memo)... but the 'dossier:Hillary:fake' drum beat of Fox News apparently working

and he believes Charlottesville was false flag, and tried to impeach an EPA head who accepted climate change... this guy's in congress...

werewolf dictator
Member
Sat Feb 03 17:23:37
http://mob...wald/status/959768004924932096

Glenn Greenwald
@ggreenwald
10h

CIA official warns that the permanent security state agencies in the US are more powerful than the elected president, and will easily win in a war with him. And he's probably right. Remember that @chuckschumer issued the same warning a year ago:

CNN
CNN
@CNN
Former CIA counterterrorism official Phil Mudd: The FBI people "are ticked" and they'll be saying of Trump, “You’ve been around for 13 months. We've been around since 1908. I know how this game is going to be played. We're going to win“
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Feb 03 17:33:05
and if you watch the source video Phil Mudd is saying Trump won't succeed in pushing the FBI around... not shocking comments at all
werewolf dictator
Member
Sat Feb 03 17:40:08
yeah who are the elected president and elected members of congress to push around unelected secret police with horrible track records of abuse by providing some measure of transparency
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Feb 03 17:41:25
Fox News felt compelled to tweet out James Woods' well-reasoned view:

"Beware traitors both foreign and domestic. The #Democrats managed to use both and still lost a rigged election. #MemoDay"

Fox loses their 'who cares what celebrities say' view when it's a crazed nut job conservative
Cold Rod
Member
Sat Feb 03 17:42:54
Like our government itself doesn't have a track record of abuse....what a stupid fucking red herring.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Feb 03 17:48:23
no abuse proven by this memo

there's been reporting today (& even before the memo) that the FISC judge was told dossier was oppo research, even if not noting DNC/Hillary specifically

so no misleading there at all if that's true

there are so many 'if trues' because this memo is worthless garbage that serves the public in no fashion... only harmful in all the crazy conclusions being drawn & spread by all the James Woods out there (whom i keep thinking was in Jaws every time i hear his name)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Feb 03 17:53:58
Chelsea Clinton:
Ocean temperatures are at an all-time high due to #climatechange

James Woods response:
You are seriously falling back on this ridiculous climate change nonsense the day your mother is implicated in the worst election fraud in American history?


(no idea how he thinks this affected election as FBI never revealed Trump under investigation)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Feb 03 18:03:18
SEAN HANNITY (on his show):
"
Mueller's investigation is and has been a witch-hunt from the very beginning. It's built on a house of cards, and tonight it is crashing down. Look, if we as a country care about the Constitution, if we believe in civil liberties, if we believe in those protections, then the special counsel must be disbanded immediately. By the way, nobody else will say this: all charges against Paul Manafort and General Michael Flynn need to be dropped. It's that simple.
"
hood
Member
Sat Feb 03 20:11:50
Hannity is apparently a traitor. It's a shame we don't execute traitors anymore.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Feb 03 21:39:42
he's desperately trying to help Trump fire Rosenstein and take out Mueller before non-shill facts get out... and it's a weekend, where Trump most unhinged...
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sat Feb 03 22:22:25

Your people are guilty of malfeasance in office.

At the very least.


Fasten your seatbelts, it's going to be a bumpy ride! (paraphrased)

~Bette Davis as Margo



tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Feb 04 11:46:56
Judge Jeanine (crazed lunatic with her own show on Fox News):


He was right from the beginning. They were spying on him. They were wiretapping. They were listening in on Trump Tower.

They were so desperate that he not be elected that they misled the most of secret court of the United States in order to spy on an opposing political campaign in order to undermine a presidential election.

Members of the highest echelon in our FBI and Department of Justice conspired to prevent an outsider from breaking the establishment stranglehold on the American people.

They needed a reason to spy, so they made one up. They used the dossier of lies paid for by a major political party, the Democrat National Committee, and a presidential candidate, Hillary Clinton to dupe that court. They swore to facts they knew were lies to get what they wanted in order to surveil a candidate they could not imagine being president.
...
"
http://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/960200638847180803

^ and Fox News was happy to tweet out her insanity to the masses who missed her quality show
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sun Feb 04 12:13:20

What she said there is spot on.

tw, thanks for posting the truth for a change.

American Democrat
Member
Sun Feb 04 12:24:35
There is no evidence to a conspiracy. Therefore what she said is inherently false and inaccurate.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sun Feb 04 12:31:53

Basic human logic says there is no way they could have done what they did with all of the bad guys not knowing what the other bad guys were doing.

tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Feb 04 12:42:21
if Trump had hired a neutral firm who hired an investigator trusted by the FBI... and that investigator then found info he was so disturbed by he took it to the FBI & they used it along w/ an unknown (yet certain to exist) amount of corroborating evidence to get a wiretap would you find it to be corrupt action?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Feb 04 12:44:26
there is absolutely NO evidence of political bias shown in this memo... FACT

and give up this presumption the dossier is false & 'full of lies'... this is not established ANYWHERE... even the memo doesn't claim it

show deleted posts

Your Name:
Your Password:
Your Message:
Bookmark and Share