Utopia Talk / Politics / Question re Mass Shootings

Asgard Member	Sat Feb 17 07:05:51 Was any Mass Shooter in the US stopped by a gun-carrying civilian? As opposed to by law enforcement? I'm looking at you, crap rod.
jergul large member	Sat Feb 17 07:33:34 Not enough armed, hard-working American Citizens you see. That is the problem for civilian-patrolman-nightwatcher-kindergarten-guardian.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat Feb 17 08:41:43 Assgard, cold rod isn't around so I will respond for him. Has any shooter ever chosen a target where conceal and carry was allowed? Not to my knowledge. I just saw a young man on F&F that did all of the right things. As soon as he heard the shots he knew what they were. He grabbed the nearby fire extinguisher in the hall and got his classmates back inside their room. He handed the extinguisher to a friend and told him to coat the see-through glass. Meanwhile, the young man broke out the kevlar vests and got the younger kids to use them as shields. Then he and a couple of the other seniors armed themselves with what could be used as clubs and they covered the door. Yeah, you guessed it. This was an R.O.T.C. class and this young man Is a senior and an officer. Looked like he was wearing Lt. Colonel leaves. I submit that if teachers and, perhaps, senior officers enrolled in R.O.T.C. be allowed to conceal and carry if they go through specialized and rigorous training with firearms and target ID, If the football coach had had a firearm and was trained on how to use it, there is a good chance he might have taken the shooter out instead of just standing there as a human shield and losing his life. Not sure what your procedure is in Israel, but I have never heard of a school shooting taking place in any of your schools. Are your teachers armed? How about your senior students? I know that most of your populace is trained in how to use firearms and that most of you serve in the military. So what is your secret? What keeps a crazy terrorist from bursting into one of your schools and killing a bunch of kids.
Cold Rod Member	Sat Feb 17 09:09:41 "enrolled in R.O.T.C. be allowed to conceal and carry if they go through specialized and rigorous training with firearms and target ID, " Cruz was in ROTC. What a dumbass.
Asgard Member	Sat Feb 17 09:29:24 "I know that most of your populace is trained in how to use firearms and that most of you serve in the military. So what is your secret? What keeps a crazy terrorist from bursting into one of your schools and killing a bunch of kids. " I refer you to the Ma'alot Massacre, an incident in the 70's where tens of teens were butchered when gunmen sneaked into a school. The terrorists were killed by IDF commandos. Not armed teachers. There are no armed teachers in Israel...
patom Member	Sat Feb 17 09:49:16 Hot Rod "as any shooter ever chosen a target where conceal and carry was allowed? Not to my knowledge." To my knowledge there were lots of people in Las Vegas who had concealed carry permits. Half the road crews were armed from what one of the entertainers said. There was another incident last year in Dallas where some had concealed carry and were afraid to draw their weapons for fear of being shot by responding police.
hood Member	Sat Feb 17 09:57:12 I have only my memory, but I do think it has happened before. It's not coming though.
obaminated Member	Sat Feb 17 10:48:58 Off duty officer stopped a mass stabbing in tejas. Church shooter was stopped by man with a gun. https://m.washingtontimes.com/multimedia/collection/good-guy-gun-stopped-bad-guy-gun/
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat Feb 17 11:03:36 cr, why do you only cherry pick? "I submit that if teachers and, perhaps, senior officers..." ""enrolled in R.O.T.C. be allowed to conceal and carry if they go through specialized and rigorous training with firearms and target ID," 'Perhaps' is the key word here. The seniors in high school R.O.T.C. are very serious about what they are doing. I was almost kicked my fy first day because I made a loose wave at the top student officer with a cigarette in my hand. The next morning he mentioned the incident when he was addressing the freshman class. He said something like, 'R.O.T.C. is a serious business here. Yesterday I was saluted by someone with a cigarette in his hand. That man is lucky to still be in R.O.T.C. this morning. (First time I was ever called a man.) "Cruz was in ROTC." What was his rank? What grade(s) did he take R.O.T.C.? Did he wash out, I doubt he would have lasted very long if his Regular Army instructors had been as tough as mine were. Please try to give a little more information if you can rather than just parroting the article. Assgard, you quote one incident that took place about 40 years ago and then you avoid my question. What is your secret ***NOW***? patom - To my knowledge there were lots of people in Las Vegas who had concealed carry permits. Yes, ***BUT*** what could they have done? No one on the ground had any idea where the shooter was shooting from. Not sure if he was blocks away or next door. Now we know that he was on the 20th or so floor. Sorry, I don't remember which floor exactly, but I doubt even a 9mm handgun would have been very effective at that range and elevation of the shooter. Besides, that was a different venue than the one we are discussing. "There was another incident last year in Dallas where some had concealed carry and were afraid to draw their weapons for fear of being shot by responding police." Again, was that a school or what? My suggestion for schools, not other venues. Just think if 8 or 10 teachers, on the same floor, who were trained to work together had made their students safe and then came out of their classrooms as a trained unit. The schools might even have a communication set up for the teachers. Not saying my suggestion is perfect, it could certainly be improved. I do know that gun free zones are easy pickings for a shooter. hood, if you think of it please let us know.
Paramount Member	Sat Feb 17 11:11:52 ”Yes, ***BUT*** what could they have done? No one on the ground had any idea where the shooter was shooting from. ” They could have started to search for him. But instead they ran away like cowards. What good is their firearm if they are not capable or prepared to use it when it is needed. Lol
Im better then you 2012 UP Football Champ	Sat Feb 17 12:08:59 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Waco_shootout
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat Feb 17 12:13:35 Since you wish to post without evidence, let's assume that since the C&C civilians were mature and since they didn't know where the shots were coming from... Let's assume they were the heroes that were trying to get the crowd to safety.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat Feb 17 12:16:37 Ibty, sorry that has nothing to do with what we are discussing.
Cold Rod Member	Sat Feb 17 13:10:34 "cr, why do you only cherry pick?" Ask your bro Nunes. "I submit that if teachers and, perhaps, senior officers..." ""enrolled in R.O.T.C. be allowed to conceal and carry if they go through specialized and rigorous training with firearms and target ID," 'Perhaps' is the key word here. " Teacher's salaries are cut. Dept. Of Education are cut. State and Local governments cutting back programs and other measures. Do you think they are really able to find in their budget to get the adequate training that is need to respond to an active shooter situation? And then this concept about those with mental disorders shouldn't have access to guns. Something that republicans have decided to remove that was implemented before. And even with that on hand, how is it going to be enforced. There are various types of mental disorders. Are we going to have a sophisticated classification system in place? Or will you submit that anyone that once a gun must go through a mental assessment that law enforcement officers have to go through in order to become officers and carry a gun? And you want to take this road for teachers to do the same as well as other staff? Then goes back to the suggestion, hiring other personnel to be the security. Then you might as well start designing schools as prisons with walls and watch towers with guards pacing back and forth with guns. There is no easy fix for this, this takes a comprehensive and commonsense approach. You can sit back and say this and do that so effortlessly. However you ignore the many other variables that already have been considered that still attaches itself to a very complex equation. Sorry, I just don't really give a shit about your stupid thoughtless responses to a situation that requires a more methodical approach. "Arm the teachers! Easy fix." You're a fucking idiot and should just die.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat Feb 17 18:38:03 So your fix is to do nothing, because it is too hard to fix, and just hope for the best. I think I got it. BTW, you work on solutions because they **ARE** hard, not because they are easy. What needs to be changed is the idea that gun-free zones are the solution. Get past that roadblock then we will find a solution,
Cold Rod Member	Sat Feb 17 18:38:59 "So your fix is to do nothing, because it is too hard to fix, and just hope for the best. " I know your reading comprehension is on ungodly levels. But no where in my post did I say that.
patom Member	Sat Feb 17 18:45:39 There is no solution that anyone will vote for. Throw away anything the restricts gun ownership. That is a given and Congress will not touch that with a 10' pole. Throw away anything being done to help those with mental illness. Nobody wants their tax dollars going to help people that can't be diagnosed with a machine or a blood test. That leaves you with building fortresses for schools. That would require trillions of dollars to retrofit every school in the country to be intruder proof. NOTHING will be done.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat Feb 17 19:00:36 cr - I know your reading comprehension is on ungodly levels. But no where in my post did I say that. You said it by saying my solution was too hard to be the solution and not offering a solution of your own. You either have what you think is a viable solution or you promote doing nothing. patom, more like a 100' pole. And, unfortunately, you are probably right. Noting will be done.
Cold Rod Member	Sat Feb 17 20:28:57 "You said it by saying my solution was too hard to be the solution and not offering a solution of your own. " No, I said your solution is thoughtless and the same rhetoric used every time this occurs without understanding the complexities of the consequences. That is what I inferred. I don't have a particular "solution" as it is a very complex topic and I don't particular have the energy to entertain the notion. So get off your high horse thinking you have a "solution." Which is the same bullshit spewed. "You either have what you think is a viable solution or you promote doing nothing." Again you either can't read or you just don't understand, which is evident because that is how you functioned for all of these years mr. "1000 % discount." I said this will take more of a methodological approach instead of "arm the teachers, rawr!"
Forwyn Member	Sat Feb 17 20:50:53 Not going to happen in a school, as the federal government has barred firearms within 1000 feet of a school.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat Feb 17 21:26:43 "No, I said your solution is thoughtless and the same rhetoric used every time this occurs..." Well, sonny, I hate to tell you this but you are way wrong as usual. I have added three new aspects to what I have suggested before. 1. Target ID training. 2. Possibly training high school seniors that are R.O.T.C. officers. 3.Tactical training for teachers on the same floor. Perhaps you should consider your comprehension before jumping on me. cr - this takes a comprehensive and commonsense approach. cr - to a situation that requires a more methodical approach. So what is the common sense methodical approach? You speak in the abstract and offer no solutions. Sorry sonny, unless you have something concrete to say, right or wrong, you have nothing to contribute to this conversation. See, this is what I mean. I usually put some thought into a discussion, right or wrong, and what do I get back generalities and insults. Makes me think I am right more often than not and you guys judge my posts based on my politics which you cannot stand because you are on the losing side.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sat Feb 17 21:32:07 Forwyn - Not going to happen in a school, as the federal government has barred firearms within 1000 feet of a school. I hadn't heard that but if they passed it they can reverse it if the proper solution is found.
Cold Rod Member	Sat Feb 17 22:39:46 "Well, sonny, I hate to tell you this but you are way wrong as usual. I have added three new aspects to what I have suggested before." Not wrong at all. You keep repeating "arm the teachers" then proceed with same rhetoric that has been said before. Which coincidentally I addressed in my posted. You may want to review it. But I fear you would still not understand it because you are a fucking buffoon. "Perhaps you should consider your comprehension before jumping on me. " Perhaps for once in your entire life stop being a fucking idiot, but you will die as one. "So what is the common sense methodical approach? You speak in the abstract and offer no solutions. " No, I said it versus your "arm the teachers." Once again this whole ROTC stupid shit, do you think every high school or school system operates the same way in the nation? It seems that is what you are inferring. You fucking moron. Again, this was addressed in my post regarding budgets. But again, you fail at comprehension. "Sorry sonny, unless you have something concrete to say, right or wrong, you have nothing to contribute to this conversation. " Ironic, you never have anything to contribute to any discussion other than you to post something stupid to be either mocked, scrutinized, ridicules and an archived kept because you declare and say the most idiotic things, mr 1000% discount. "See, this is what I mean. I usually put some thought into a discussion, right or wrong, and what do I get back generalities and insults. " Because you're stupid. "Makes me think I am right more often than not and you guys judge my posts based on my politics which you cannot stand because you are on the losing side. " Delusion of grandeur is a wonderful thing.
American Democrat Member	Sat Feb 17 23:00:23 "Not going to happen in a school, as the federal government has barred firearms within 1000 feet of a school. " While true, but states or local law may still allow based up issuance of a license.
American Democrat Member	Sat Feb 17 23:10:37 Hot Rod, The measures you are suggesting are going to take a lot of resources to implement that a lot of strained school districts will not be able to afford. Nor garner enough support among the staff. Which I believe these points were brought forth. It is true that this is a difficult problem to solve and there is not one solution for it. Banning guns won't work, arming the teachers and staff won't work, making it as a prison type won't work. Definitely new security measures to control the entrance and flow would help and that is measureable and more probable. But it goes much deeper. There will be those who will fall through the cracks and the encouragement of engaging one another as in seeing someone who may be struggling, a simple acknowledgement or conversation may cause that person not feel left out as much or a loner. That is another aspect that is often neglected. The support for one another. Then you have another issue that should be addressed. We are a gun culture and that attitude must be changed. This isn't advocating banning firearms, but ways to stop glorifying it. It is a culture problem in that aspect. And there are many other societies that do not have such an obsession or an epidemic of sorts of such atrocities that occur. We are not in a region where we must fear consistently of terrorist attacks, but we are more prone to mass shootings on various stages and have killed more people than any terrorist attack here. There is no true solution or any solution other than reviewing varied perspectives and attempt to see what the pros and cons. The concept of an armed staff is only a short term solution that mainly places a Band-Aid on a more complex issue.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun Feb 18 05:19:17 cr, as I said. Nothing to offer. AD, you surprise me. You have some serious ideas there. I read about a group of kids the other day who have gotten together and their goal is, no kid eats alone. That fits in nicely with your, "a simple acknowledgment or conversation may cause that person not feel left out as much or a loner." Schools could be encouraged to form such groups and they might even take it a step further and create a curriculum of what to look for in troubled folks. They could even get extra credit or even make it available to all kids as a part of their education. AD - We are a gun culture and that attitude must be changed. This isn't advocating banning firearms, but ways to stop glorifying it. That's a tough one. When I was a kid it was Grade B Westerns and dime store lead soldiers. Kids are going to find a way to become fascinated with guns. I think what is lacking there today is knowing the difference between right and wrong. We had the good guys wore white hats and the bad guys wore black hats. Simplistic but it generally helped. Today it is not always easy to tell the difference. Then too having a secure entrance with metal detectors or, at least, a quick search of backpacks. Then too, if teachers, or even possibly a senior R.O.T.C, students, want to go through an intensive training at their own expense that might be worked into the program too. It looks like a combination of ideas may be the idea. I'm sure the professionals in the field might come with some more ideas, but it hs to be a part of a single whole. Nice post AD. Damn, I'm starting to sound a little bit like cr. (shudder.)
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun Feb 18 05:22:24 *-has
Paramount Member	Sun Feb 18 05:37:42 ”AD - We are a gun culture and that attitude must be changed. This isn't advocating banning firearms, but ways to stop glorifying it. ” I blame (((Hollywood))) and computer games.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun Feb 18 07:19:32 I blame Political Correctness.
patom Member	Sun Feb 18 07:33:52 Hot Rod, you want teachers to take the necessary training at their own expense to protect other peoples children. Teachers are already, at their own expense buying school supplies for their students. They gain their Masters degrees at their own expense. The public seems to do nothing but bash teachers because their children aren't coming out of school as geniuses. Should the teachers also pay for the feeding and clothing of other peoples children? Here's a novel idea. How about the parents pay to train themselves and volunteer to act as unpaid security guards at the schools. That way property taxes would stay stable and maybe the parents could be more involved in maintaining discipline among their own children. So the schools could stop advocating issuing problem children mood altering drugs for the various new alphabet soup conditions that seem to be epidemic among todays children.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun Feb 18 08:09:29 patom - Hot Rod, you want teachers to take the necessary training at their own expense to protect other peoples children. Only if they choose to do so. Something to remember about me. I believe in free choice. I do not believe in the initiation of force for any reason or by any group. patom - Here's a novel idea. How about the parents pay to train themselves and volunteer to act as unpaid security guards at the schools. Another good idea but it would not work for all schools but it would for most. Of course, the parents would need a clean record and not be an oddball.
Hrothgar Member	Sun Feb 18 08:57:39 When I was a teen in the late 80s, early 90s gun rights meant having a hunting rifle and shotgun on your gun rack in the back window of your truck. There were no kinds of weapons commonly held that could chamber more than 3-7 rounds. The 'big baddy' of anti-gun sentiment was pistol based weapons. Then sometime around the end of the Clinton years and during the rise of Limbaugh and Fox News type 'infotainment' something changed. And suddenly one started hearing about knock off AK based rifles and AR-15 based models. Huge clips. And a mountain of modifications for them all designed to make it easier to kill humans. Now there is a whole culture of gun enthusiasts involving assault rifle based platforms.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Sun Feb 18 10:58:58 As I said, "I blame Political Correctness."
Paramount Member	Sun Feb 18 11:09:56 It was in the 80’s and 90’s that movies such as DIE HARD and games such as GTA came. And since then, the industry has been feeding you with similar and worse movies/games. Guns/weapons, and killing people, is just normal for you today. It is your culture.
patom Member	Sun Feb 18 12:05:50 Paramount, sort of like the middle east and especially the 'Holy Lands'.
Dukhat Member	Sun Feb 18 12:22:22 Hot Rod - Wrong as always. As always, he makes the strong case for forced-euthanization of old, retarded people. Paramount - Meh. The video games argument doesn't hold up. For one, it's proven they don't make you more violent. And secondly there was a lot of violent cinema before video games too. In many ways, movies like the Godfather and Clockwork Orange are more violent than what you see today. The main reason is simply the GOP. They keep pushing the Overton window farther and farther right on a wide host of issues to win voters because Democrats co-opted a lot of their issues under Clinton. Really started with the first term of Clinton. Dems got punished for doing the right thing in raising taxes to deal with the deficit and banning assault weapons. Republicans only care about party before country so anytime they get power, they never ever do anything for the good of the country like decrease the deficit or enact some common-sense gun laws. Instead they make the problem worse and then hope the dems have to fix their mess and then usher them back into power again. It's so fucking retarded but it's worked for the last 25 years. Thankfully this retarded Piece of Shit baby boomer generation is starting to die off. Soon the GOP will be mostly retards like Forwyn and Rugian as a permanent minority party.
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Thu Feb 22 17:46:29 http://www...-enter-school-during-shootings
Sam Adams Member	Thu Feb 22 19:30:51 Desertion in the face of the enemy. In a reasonable world, he would be executed for that.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Feb 22 19:39:39 Or skinned alive.
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Thu Feb 22 20:50:23 Published:Friday, March 20th 2015, 5:43 pm EST Updated:Friday, March 20th 2015, 6:10 pm EST http://www...s-at-odessa-junior-high-school
Forwyn Member	Thu Feb 22 21:50:07 And this sheriff had the gall to sit in a CNN town hall and call for a renewed AWB. ROFL. Kill them both.
jergul large member	Thu Feb 22 22:34:46 If only he had a gun. (oh...wait)
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Feb 23 02:59:51 It is not that I am against gun ownership, just that the gun worship in the USA may have gone too far. I remember reading on twitter right after a mass shooting some gun cultist write and I am paraphrasing "even if there was 20 mass shootings everyday I would not give up my guns, fuck you". This type of mentality is not that uncommon and is that of a cult member. Your national fetish for guns is unhealthy.
Forwyn Member	Fri Feb 23 03:28:06 Idiots want to push a ban for certain types of rifles because of muh feefees. This is unhealthy. 2014: Total Murders: 11,961 Total firearm murders: 8,124 Handgun murders: 5,562 *************Rifles: 248************* Shotguns: 262 Other guns: 93 *Firearm murders, type not stated: 1,959* Knives or cutting instruments: 1,567 Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.): 435 Personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.): 660 http://ucr...ictims_by_weapon_2010-2014.xls More people are killed by bare hands than rifles and shotguns combined. If the 4% of known gun deaths holds true, you end up with an additional 78 rifle murders, for a total of 326 rifle murders - per year, in a country of 320mil. But muh fee fees. Muh coward cops who sit outside while kids die. Muh failed assault weapons ban.
jergul large member	Fri Feb 23 03:51:10 The statistics are not that overwhelming. 1900 type not stated So you are overstating your case. Single gun owners own handguns at a 2:1 ratio. 2/3rds own more than 1 gun and have a very high probability of owning a handgun. For single gun owners, hand guns would be overrepresented simply as a function of increased availability. For multiple gune owners, the appropriate tool to the job at hand would again see handguns over represented. This would indicate that limiting handguns would see an increase in other firearm type murders assuming gun ownership remained the same.
jergul large member	Fri Feb 23 03:51:45 What did you expect a single cop to do besides wait for backup?
jergul large member	Fri Feb 23 03:54:26 http://www...demographics-of-gun-ownership/
Forwyn Member	Fri Feb 23 04:09:38 No. Even if 100% of non-stated firearm murders are rifles, they account for less than 40% of all murders. They don't of course. "This would indicate that limiting handguns would see an increase in other firearm type murders assuming gun ownership remained the same." No. Rifles are more expensive and harder to conceal. Because most gun murders are gang-related, rifles beget cop response in an already cop-inundated area. "What did you expect a single cop to do besides wait for backup?" Respond. As all modern US cops are trained to do in an active shooter event.
Forwyn Member	Fri Feb 23 04:11:38 all gun murders*
patom Member	Fri Feb 23 04:19:35 In some instances like small PD's and probably larger PD's, they like to shove some officers that for some reason don't quite fit the bill or they have no good reason to fire, off into little side jobs. School resource officers get them out of the hair of other cops.
Forwyn Member	Fri Feb 23 04:28:47 While 6'5", 30-year vets run around collecting checks while "not quite fitting the bill", tens of thousands of 11Bs work minimum wage jobs. Execute deserters.
jergul large member	Fri Feb 23 04:42:31 Forwyn The "Even if..." would be an example of understating your position. Gang related homicides are about 13% of all homicides. So could not possibly be even close to "most [hand]gun murders" even if every single homicide was done with a handgun. So an example of you overstating your position. I don't think the paygrade merits suicide by crook. He was fired (or will be once the procedural stuff is done). This is the conscequence of poor performance.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Feb 23 06:30:53 "the Douglas school resource officer since 2009" This guy brought shame and dishonor to every proud resource officer in the country, no doubt. Kids who are growing up with dreams to eventually become a school resource officers, are devastated today.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Feb 23 06:34:03 when they arm the teachers, they really should give them a bravery test. Apparently just having a good guy with a gun is not enough to stop a bad guy with a gun. http://www...nation-where-this-r-1819576527
Nimatzo iChihuaha	Fri Feb 23 07:01:15 But seriously why the fuck have armed and trained people guarding schools if they act so cowardly? Maybe I have missed something in all of this and he did "his job", but then why was he fired?
patom Member	Fri Feb 23 08:11:21 He was fired because he didn't run inside to attempt to engage the shooter. He was using the tactics that were thrown out after the Columbine shooting. Where the police stayed outside the school until they felt they had sufficient numbers to attack the shooters. Since then Police are expected to jump right in at the sound of gunfire.
TJ Member	Fri Feb 23 10:05:07 "State Sen. Bill Galvano, a top Republican, toured the building on Thursday. Galvano says he supports having the state help pay to raze the building and replace it. He said it could cost as much as $30 million." How many Florida schools could have had excellent security that likely would have prevented so many lives being lost. The opportunities to prevent this incident were too numerous to have failed protecting their lives.
jergul large member	Fri Feb 23 10:14:16 Patom It seems a rather silly expectation. How often have lone policemen charged into the scene of an active shooting? Kudos to those that do that, but if the alternative is getting fired. Well. You do the math. Police recruitment will have to look at lowering maximum IQ requirements when hiring (PDs actually do that - they will not hire smert people. But with the change of procedure, they should focus on hiring stupid ones).
jergul large member	Fri Feb 23 10:15:30 TJ The actual failing of the school police was not doing proper follow-up on the person in question. They had visited his home 20-odd times. The system should have caught this.
TJ Member	Fri Feb 23 10:18:32 "The opportunities to prevent this incident were too numerous to have failed protecting their lives." Yes Edward, numerous opportunities. We agree.
Forwyn Member	Fri Feb 23 14:36:56 "understating your position. overstating your position." There is neither. There are estimates, and the safest estimate is that the representation of categories of non-stated firearm murders will be similar to that of listed firearms. That being 4% for rifles. We know that most gun homicide victims are men, overrepresented by black men between the ages of 15 and 34. 4k is quite a bit more than the baseline for a majority of 5.5k. "the paygrade" Making 100k in a city with a per capita income of 42k. More than two teachers in the district at any experience and education level, barring doctorates with 15+ years, combined. "suicide by crook." That's what his job entails. The trade-off of a cushy one-man posting at a school is that you're the point-man for an incident there.
patom Member	Fri Feb 23 15:29:54 I live up here in a rural part of Maine but I have heard that there are more gated communities than you can shake a stick at down south. Maybe it's time to fence in all schools and have a single guarded entry point.
jergul large member	Fri Feb 23 15:57:11 Forwyn You were directly wrong on your argument on gang-members. No shame in that but own it. Its obviously not what the job entailed. Though he was fired for performance reasons. Which is really the only real conscequence to poor work performance.
swordtail Anarchist Prime	Fri Feb 23 16:40:39 http://www...ties0436PMStory&CNNPolitics=Tw
Sam Adams Member	Fri Feb 23 19:45:38 Execute all 4.
Sam Adams Member	Fri Feb 23 19:47:41 "You can trust the police to protect you" -leftists for the next few days until some thieving african gets shot while fleeing police after holding up a waffle house at gunpoint.
CrownRoyal Member	Fri Feb 23 19:50:35 It is not binary, Sam. You know, it is not outrageous to ask your law enforcement to protect you AND not to shoot fleeing people in the back. In fact, they are paid to behave that way, it’s in their job description
jergul large member	Sat Feb 24 05:04:30 CR Yepp, and if they do not follow their job description and shoot innocent people, then they might get fired. The nuance difference is that murder is an actual crime. As opposed to just not stepping into gunfire without backup.
CrownRoyal Member	Sat Feb 24 10:20:40 “Yepp, and if they do not follow their job description and shoot innocent people, then they might get fired. “ I’d hope that they face more severe consequences for that, than just losing their jobs. What’s your point here?
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