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Im better then you
2012 UP Football Champ
Thu Mar 01 12:09:32
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43249614

President Donald Trump has said he will sign off on steep tariffs on steel and aluminium imports next week, hitting producers like China.

Flanked by US metals executives at the White House, he said a 25% tariff would be placed on steel products, and a 10% tariff would be imposed on aluminium.

Mr Trump tweeted that the US was suffering from "unfair trade".

The US imports four times more steel than it exports, and is reliant on steel produced in China.

In Thursday's announcement, Mr Trump said, "we haven't been treated fairly by other countries", citing China.

What's the context?
Throughout his presidential campaign and since taking office, Mr Trump said cheap imports from China were harming the viability of US industry.

China isn't the only country to export steel to the US - 110 countries and territories do so. And China is only the 11th biggest biggest exporter to the US - Canada, Brazil, South Korea, Mexico and Russia are the five biggest.

Last year, the president ordered an investigation by Secretary of Commerce Wilbur Ross into "whether steel imports threaten to impair the national security", drawing a link between economic prosperity and the country's security.

Mr Ross' report was published last month. It said US national security was indeed threatened, and made three recommendations, one of which was putting in place a 24% tariff on all steel imports.

It also proposed adding a 7.7% tariff to all aluminium imports, among other options.

What's Trump said previously?
During his campaign, he said that foreign countries were "dumping vast amounts of steel all over the United States, which essentially is killing our steelworkers and steel companies".

On Thursday morning, he tweeted that "we must not let our country, companies and workers be taken advantage of any longer".
hood
Member
Thu Mar 01 12:16:34
Woo, fuck the poor even more with higher steel and aluminum prices!
Aeros
Member
Thu Mar 01 12:48:09
This is pretty much reciprocal. China has been using its tax money for years to subsidize steel production. Way more then anyone needs, and have been dumping it on the world market. Almost all of China's steel plants are operating at a loss.
yankeessuck123
Member
Thu Mar 01 12:50:44
So much the better for us, Aeros, if the Chinese want to subsidize American steel consumption.

These tariffs are bad. Nearly all tariffs are.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Mar 01 13:37:53

A few years before WWII Ike was given the task of writing what needed to be done to put America on a full war footing.

That writing put America on a war footing so quickly the war ended just 3 years 9 months after America entered the war.


Did you know we built about 100 aircraft carriers during the war? They were small and I think they were used for protecting the cargo and troop ship fleets.

Today, I doubt we would be so lucky. Anything major in the way of equipment would likely be built by someone on the other side.

Paramount
Member
Thu Mar 01 13:42:57
"Mr Trump tweeted that the US was suffering from "unfair trade". "


Unfair? lol

You are probably just not competitive enough in today's capitalistic world.
Paramount
Member
Thu Mar 01 13:44:11
"In Thursday's announcement, Mr Trump said, "we haven't been treated fairly by other countries""


Waaaah! Waaaahhh!! Life is unfair! Waaah!

LOL
Delude
Member
Thu Mar 01 13:52:05
Yep, you got ehat you voted for.

And hot rod, do you ever post anything of relevance?
Delude
Member
Thu Mar 01 13:52:13
What*
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Mar 01 14:04:51

I did.

You just don't get it.

Delude
Member
Thu Mar 01 14:09:58
No, nope. That's not it. You posted something that has no relevance and only to see yourself talk as you ignore the consequences of this idiotic Trump initiative
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Mar 01 14:40:47

I guess you guys missed this:


"That writing put America on a war footing so quickly the war ended just 3 years 9 months after America entered the war."

And this:

"Today, I doubt we would be so lucky. Anything major in the way of equipment would likely be built by someone on the other side."



The rest was just a small history lesson that I thought you might enjoy, but I guess history is just not your thing.


Delude
Member
Thu Mar 01 14:43:01
Again no relevance to the topic at hand. You just wanted to post something because you yearn for attention.
hood
Member
Thu Mar 01 14:47:23
We produce more than enough steel to fuel any war effort. We would ramp up production if we needed to.

Further, it's not likely we're going to be going to war with Canada any time soon, so one of our major steel suppliers will just keep on supplying.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Thu Mar 01 15:49:29

Steel is just one item.

I know we have hundreds, if not thousands, of Abrams tanks that we keep making, only because they are made in a sector of the country where a strong legislator is from.


Those two little paragraphs are just symbolic of our readiness for a major ground war. A lot of our components are made overseas.

I'm just saying that could be a problem. We need to bring more of our manufacturing back home.


Just think about what it would be like if the European Union fell apart. Putin would surely find a way to capitalize on it.

Things do not always proceed in the manner we suppose they will.

delude
Member
Thu Mar 01 16:04:09
For fuck sakes stupid.

This isn't just about war machines. It is about businesses, large and small including the operations of our economy and how it will be impacted but the big idiots Tariff. Where the majority of his own party has stood against it and advised against it.

Our war production as you keep referring back to, will not be an issue. As we have various contingencies that would cover. And as for this ridiculous fucking claim --

"A lot of our components are made overseas. "

This is patently false. Only truth to the matter is that there are various components that are made overseas that we do import, as well as China and Russia does as well. The CRS (Congressional Research Service) has reports indicated that Russian and China are doing what they can to upgrade their military for air and ground and various other combat systems. Though we spend a significant chunk of our budget on the military, we are ignoring various technological upgrades to compete. Not because of production overseas, but more along the lines of prioritize driven focus on what we need to do. Which in this case has been air superiority.

In fact the CRS also warns if we wanted to catch up to China and Russian we would have to rely upon BUYING foreign arms and vehicles to bolster our ground units.

However, back to your claim, alot of our components are not made overseas, and such reliance on those components would not be as difficult to obtain.
delude
Member
Thu Mar 01 16:12:30
Oh I should also add to missile defense.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Mar 01 16:48:31
can we all agree how stupid it was to toss it out there without the policy finalized?

reports were he wanted it ready for roll-out, but it wasn't ready, yet he went forward anyway...
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Mar 01 17:26:53
only ~3% of steel imports are from China

was our idiot boy president aware of this?

http://www...dfs/2016/annual/imports-us.pdf
hood
Member
Thu Mar 01 17:30:32
So Trump punishes Canada, Brazil, South Korea because China cheats on the 3% of steel we buy from them.

Good job, Trump. Good fucking job.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Thu Mar 01 18:32:56
yeah, he's kind of an idiot

apparently Tillerson, Mattis, McMaster, & Cohn all opposed
Hot Roid
Member
Thu Mar 01 18:40:50
You really don't know how good youve got it.
Forwyn
Member
Thu Mar 01 23:14:03
Bernie Bros should be pleased.
Paramount
Member
Fri Mar 02 00:32:25
EU and China says that the US should expect reprisals within days.

Let the war begin!
Cold Rod
Member
Fri Mar 02 04:35:16
Lol hot rod supports this
Dukhat
Member
Fri Mar 02 07:53:16
Surprised it took so long really. It was one of his biggest campaign promises. If you ever watched his rallies, he always only talked about two things: his dumb wall and trade protectionism.

The reason this is super retarded is because there is a mechanism in place to deal with unfair trade: the WTO. If you feel a country is dumping, you can appeal to the WTO and get multilateral sanctions applied to that product. It's more effective than one nation doing so because china can't just turn around and sell the same steel to someone else like japan who now has a competitive advantage in the production of steel products versus the US.

I'm pretty sure they've done so with chinese steel in the past and china had to stop subsidizing steel production so heavily.

But the example I provided is why lone-wolf tariffs are retarded and lead to a spiral of trade war and trade manipulation as individual countries keep one-upping each other. The last time it happened was during the great depression.

So yeah. Fuck trump. What a retard.
obaminated
Member
Fri Mar 02 09:43:17
http://youtu.be/ztZI2aLQ9Sw
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Mar 02 10:49:39
"
When a country (USA) is losing many billions of dollars on trade with virtually every country it does business with, trade wars are good, and easy to win. Example, when we are down $100 billion with a certain country and they get cute, don’t trade anymore-we win big. It’s easy!
"
~ donnie

the golf course guy knows more about trade wars than anyone
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Mar 02 10:51:50
Trump confidant dumped millions in steel-related stock last week
http://thi...an-steel-imports-cf7deb8beaf0/
Paramount
Member
Fri Mar 02 10:57:35
Must have been by coincidence. Right?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Mar 02 11:04:26
we already know Trump bounces all his ideas off his friends (and guests at mar-a-lago...) plus Carl Icahn is the guy he said would fix trade deals so more than a little suspicious
The Children
Member
Fri Mar 02 12:14:38
we will destroy u yankees.

we hold the cards. not u.
CrownRoyal
Member
Fri Mar 02 13:53:52
this should end well
obaminated
Member
Fri Mar 02 15:25:06
lol cr
CrownRoyal
Member
Fri Mar 02 15:53:40
Beanie?
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Fri Mar 02 16:31:34

deluded - This isn't just about war machines.


Of course, it is. You just don't get it.


"Mr Ross' report was published last month. It said US national security was indeed threatened, and made three recommendations, one of which was putting in place a 24% tariff on all steel imports.

It also proposed adding a 7.7% tariff to all aluminium imports, among other options."

yankeessuck123
Member
Fri Mar 02 16:35:09
7.7% tariffs on aluminium isn't going to make America any safer, but it will make America a bit poorer
hood
Member
Fri Mar 02 16:54:39
One can design a report to say anything if it benefits your business associates.
TJ
Member
Fri Mar 02 17:15:57
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Mar 02 19:05:17
"IF YOU DON’T HAVE STEEL, YOU DON’T HAVE A COUNTRY!"
~ unstable idiot

http://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/969558431802806272
hood
Member
Fri Mar 02 19:25:51
Someone needs to take Trump up on his suggestion that we might need to use our second amendment rights to deal with the corrupt winner of the 2016 election.
delude
Member
Fri Mar 02 19:32:43
"Of course, it is. You just don't get it. "

I know your understanding just about any topic is very fucking limited. But read what I said as it would included, but also emphasize other elements as well. Which is totally the opposite of your claim.

Then I explained as to why and how it would effect other elements.

""Mr Ross' report was published last month. It said US national security was indeed threatened, and made three recommendations, one of which was putting in place a 24% tariff on all steel imports.

It also proposed adding a 7.7% tariff to all aluminium imports, among other options." "

Wilbur Ross the protectionist, do you know anything about this guy?

"In November 2017, leaked documents known as the Paradise Papers showed that Ross had failed to clearly disclose financial ties to Russian interests in his confirmation hearings."

Investments:

In 2002, Ross founded International Steel Group after purchasing the assets of several bankrupt steel companies. Ross had support from the local steelworkers union, negotiating a deal with them to "save" Pennsylvania's steel industry. Leo Gerard, international president of the United Steelworkers union stated about Ross that "he was open and accessible and candid and honest and he put a lot of money back into the mills, so literally tens of thousands of jobs were saved."[18] Ross sold International Steel Group to Mittal Steel Company for $4.5 billion, half in cash and half in stock, in April 2005.

Spare me his "analysis." As I said at the start about Ross, he is a protectionist of course he is going to recommend the tariffs as his lackeys only fairly recently invested millions in the steel industry only then for this event to occur.

I know your feeble mind can connect the god damn dots.

Way to drain the swamp, right?

I wish for once you would do a little bit a research before you comment on a topic that you clearly have not fucking clue about.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Fri Mar 02 19:34:16

hood, Did you just suggest that someone should assassinate Trump?

That is not the least bit funny.

Your post is a bit fuzzy, I hope I am reading it wrong.
delude
Member
Fri Mar 02 19:36:11
Well you read every other post or cannot comprehend topics, so it wouldn't be all that surprising.
delude
Member
Fri Mar 02 19:36:51
^can't read every other post...
hood
Member
Fri Mar 02 19:49:15
"hood, Did you just suggest that someone should assassinate Trump?"

I only remarked, in the same manner as Trump, that the second amendment is a multifaceted tool.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Fri Mar 02 20:01:46

Not funny.

Cold Rod
Member
Fri Mar 02 20:03:36
I am sure hot rod found it funny that Trump said he could shoot someone in the street and no one would say anything. But this is not funny, not funny at all, according to hot rod.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Fri Mar 02 20:14:48

Fuck off, freak.

Cold Rod
Member
Fri Mar 02 20:19:51
So you do find it funny that Trump says he can murder people and get away with it?
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Fri Mar 02 21:33:29
“If [Hillary] gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks... although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.”
~ bag of shit
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Fri Mar 02 21:44:00

You guys remind me of two turds in a pile of shit.

Im better then you
2012 UP Football Champ
Fri Mar 02 22:15:01
You fondly remeber turds?
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Fri Mar 02 22:25:16

A turd is a turd. You should know that.

Im better then you
2012 UP Football Champ
Fri Mar 02 22:55:32
Then you how you said two posters remind you of two particular turds.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Fri Mar 02 22:58:32

A turd is a turd.

Maybe you should get someone to explain that to you.

Im better then you
2012 UP Football Champ
Sat Mar 03 02:05:56
Thats what I thought but you clearly think differently.
Trolly
Member
Sat Mar 03 06:00:34
"“If [Hillary] gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks... although the Second Amendment people — maybe there is, I don’t know.” "

So Hot Rod, you don't find this as an issue?

Remember, HR is the same person years ago that advocated the assassination of Obama.
Memory Lane
Member
Sat Mar 03 06:25:53
"So you do find it funny that Trump says he can murder people and get away with it? "

I remember Hot Rod didn't have an issue with it. But he would have if Obama said something similar...

"Hot Rod
Revved Up
Wed May 15 19:23:09

If Obama was to put out a video of him going around The White House planting explosives and then show himself blowing it up you guys would still come to his defense."

The Children
Member
Sat Mar 03 06:31:40
we will win yankees. we hold all the cards not u

delude
Member
Sat Mar 03 18:14:55
Wow, HR sure did run away quick...
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sat Mar 03 18:23:43

I said what I intended to say and I said it quite succinctly.

delude
Member
Sat Mar 03 18:24:50
And what you said has been incorrect, irrelevant, and shown very little understanding about the topic and the players are. Just as Trump has displayed his complete lack of understanding how the world economy works.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sat Mar 03 20:14:06

So, it does indeed appear that I was wrong about deluded.

It seems that deluded has a skill that I was unaware of.

It seems that he is, in fact, able to tell the difference between two turds. Now my only question is, does he name them and keep them in a jar or does he keep them on a shelf so he can enjoy their aroma?

Aeros
Member
Sat Mar 03 21:00:58
Apparently Trump never ran his plans by senior white house staff either. He just went with it.
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sat Mar 03 23:07:01
no problem, he knows more about everything than anyone
Dukhat
Member
Sat Mar 03 23:57:24
Listened to some PBS. Apparently Rob Porter was in charge of the trade stuff and once he left, Trump was given more free reign to be a protectionist dumbass. Also the House Special election next week has a lot of steel workers so Trump wants to ensure this normally deeply Red district goes red.

So more evidence of how retarded and impulsive the orange goon is.
delude
Member
Sun Mar 04 06:05:46
Hot Rod, what is that you said in another thread? Something along the lines of that those who do nothing but hurl insults really have nothing to contribute and lost the debate?

Look, I understand that you are embarrassed once again because you attempted to discuss a topic that you clearly have no clue of. And that anyone who articulated a response while providing reasons and information to counter your terrible wrong assertions is something you can't handle anymore.

You skipped over what I said because you wanted to engage in a comment that was firstly made but the current president because you find it offensive.

Then you are remaining steadfast on wrong accounts and very conniving actions and statements.

I understand that you have a poster of your "master" on the wall that you pray and worship to daily, but maybe come back to reality and address the points. But I am asking for too much because that is wishful thinking on my part that you would do at least a little bit a research on the topic at hand.

I know it has been said before, but you could just die, and to expedite that, just kill yourself.
Seb
Member
Sun Mar 04 07:46:44
This is spectacularly dumb.

1. Principle economic benefit of trade to a country is importing. You get goods (which is what wealth should really be measured in) for bits of paper, and you get them for less input than if you made them domestically (or otherwise nobody would be importing goods).

The only purpose for exporting - giving away stuff you've produced for bits of paper - is to use those bits of paper to pay for imports.

2. If you are going to use tarrifs, it's to protect an industry. Normally this means protecting jobs, i.e. keeping people doing an activity they are not efficient at. This normally means you are treating the symptom rather than the cause - low productivity.

Sometimes it can be used sensibly to protect nascent industries while they get off the ground. Sometimes it can be used if a country is in such dire straits that there's nothing else to stop mass unemployment. This doesn't normally apply to a mature developed country with an economy over a certain size. Sometimes it can be used if you don't have a strong enough f.ex earnings (tourism, investment and exports) to ensure you import the sensible things.

Generally though, the free market view such things as grossly distorting.

The consequences of tariffs is to make a county poorer (less stuff produced).

2. Tarrifing low value commodities rather than high value goods is absurd. You are tilting your country to producing low value stuff!



Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sun Mar 04 11:11:56

You know, it is interesting how every time Trump comes up with something new or different he is laughed at until it goes platinum.

delude
Member
Sun Mar 04 11:29:05
"You know, it is interesting how every time Trump comes up with something new or different he is laughed at until it goes platinum."

And you want to know why I hound you to do a little research. This is not new. In fact the most recent tariffs that occurred, relying on my memory was under GWB. And the results were disastrous;

The Bush 2002 steel tariff was a political issue in the United States regarding a tariff that President George W. Bush placed on imported steel on March 5, 2002 (took effect March 20). The tariffs were lifted by Bush on December 4, 2003. Research shows that the tariffs adversely affected US GDP and employment.

According to a 2005 review of existing research, all studies on the tariffs "find that the costs of the Safeguard Measures outweighed their benefits in terms of aggregate GDP and employment as well as having an important redistributive impact."

Steel production rose slightly during the period of the tariff. The protection of the steel industry in the United States may have had unintended consequences and perverse effects. A study from 2003 that was paid for by CITAC, a trade association of businesses that use raw materials, found that around 200,000 jobs were lost as a result.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_United_States_steel_tariff


Paramount
Member
Sun Mar 04 11:30:40
When prices on consumer goods rises, everyone who voted for the Trump will be very happy. When they get home at night they will say to themselves: "What a great life".
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sun Mar 04 11:42:57

Have you given it any thought that Trump just might be smarter than Bush?

delude
Member
Sun Mar 04 11:51:28
Wow, just wow. You clearly don't have a fucking clue do you?

The hamster has been dead on that wheel for some time, yeah?
Paramount
Member
Sun Mar 04 11:53:18
Go and take a nap, Hot Dog. lol
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Mar 04 11:55:04
"You know, it is interesting how every time Trump comes up with something new or different he is laughed at until it goes platinum."

cite examples
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sun Mar 04 12:07:12

Becoming The president of The United States of America for one thing.

He beat out 16 Republican opponents that were professional politicians and then picked off the Democratic hopeful that most of America thought was a shoe in no matter who the Republicans nominated.

Getting the biggest tax reform in history passed.

Cut enough regulations to get the American Economy moving again.


Those are the most obvious.

Wrath of Orion
Member
Sun Mar 04 12:10:47
Oh my, Hack Rod, oh my...

This has already been extremely embarrassing for you and it is about to get much worse. Your delusions are going to need to be extra strong to carry you through this one.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sun Mar 04 12:10:50

Oh, I'm not sure of the exact numbers, but I think he spent about 1/10 the amount as his opponents to win the presidency.

Wrath of Orion
Member
Sun Mar 04 12:14:40
Wrong again, Retard Rod.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/campaign-finance/
Wrath of Orion
Member
Sun Mar 04 12:15:03
http://www...016-election/campaign-finance/
delude
Member
Sun Mar 04 12:16:55
Only skeletal remains of that hamster apparently...
UP Factcheck
Member
Sun Mar 04 12:38:35
CLAIM:

"Becoming The president of The United States of America for one thing.

He beat out 16 Republican opponents that were professional politicians and then picked off the Democratic hopeful that most of America thought was a shoe in no matter who the Republicans nominated. "

Fact: This is process and doesn't qualify for level of intelligence or making him any smarter than Bush or any other president or presidential candidate.

Result: False.

CLAIM:

"Getting the biggest tax reform in history passed. "

Running on the presumption that you are referring to the tax cut. President Trump has claimed this numerous times.

Facts: Tax analysts have been unequivocal that Trump's claim is not true.

http://www...his-tax-plan-biggest-cut-ever/

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/15/politics/is-trumps-bill-largest-tax-cut-in-history-no/index.html

Result: False.

CLAIM: "Cut enough regulations to get the American Economy moving again."

Facts: Economy was growing already exponentially and many economists contribute that Trump is still riding on the accomplishments of the previous administration and currently made very little impact on the current economic growth. But warned the tax cuts and various other policies that is/will/want to implement may have dire results and cause a recession.

Result: Mixture with leaning false.


tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Mar 04 13:16:32
cutting taxes was not a 'new & different' idea from Trump & it was written by congress... and doubtful he could name any regulations he cut except maybe ones that affect his personal business (he certainly never cites any when bragging about it)
tumbleweed
the wanderer
Sun Mar 04 13:22:28
whereas, there's this Trump idea:

"In 1985, the USFL voted to move from a spring to a fall schedule in 1986 to compete directly with the NFL. This was done at the urging of New Jersey Generals majority owner Donald Trump and a handful of other owners as a way to force a merger between the leagues. As part of this strategy, the USFL filed an anti-trust lawsuit against the National Football League in 1986, and a jury ruled that the NFL had violated anti-monopoly laws. However, in a victory in name only, the USFL was awarded a judgment of just $1, which under anti-trust laws, was tripled to $3. This court decision effectively ended the USFL's existence. The league never played the 1986 season, and by the time it folded, it had lost over $163 million."

& his failure w/ casinos... requiring his father to illegally funnel money to him plus eventual bankruptcies
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sun Mar 04 14:49:13

Just one question.

If clinton had been elected would we have that "tax cut"?

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sun Mar 04 14:55:34

tw - whereas, there's this Trump idea:


At what age did he learn to tie his shoes. I'm sure you have that in your files.

Not sure something he did 32 years carries enough weight to support your claim.

Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sun Mar 04 14:58:11

BTW, it was indeed a 'Tax Reform',

Cutting taxes was a part of the reform.

delude
Member
Sun Mar 04 15:07:08
red herrings here, red herrings there, red herrings everywhere.
Dukhat
Member
Sun Mar 04 15:08:57
Noone really reads your posts retard rod. If they do, it's because they want a quick, easy way to feel good about themselves because you're so fucking stupid.
The UP Archivist
Member
Sun Mar 04 15:09:27
*archived* for the definitive hilarity of the logical display by hot rod.
Hot Rod
Revved Up
Sun Mar 04 15:23:24

If I am retarded it is only because I have been putting up with you people too long.

You people are stupid enough to make a pig talk.

delude
Member
Sun Mar 04 15:44:20
If we ignore the many years of your utter stupidity. People would only see this thread and would come to the conclusion that you are very dumb.

Not dumb in a sense that you said something silly, or mistakenly. But dumb as in, incapable of any rational, logical, or analytical thoughts or of any formulation. Your lack of comprehension, your lack of any pro-activity to even research any topic in order to keep a debate going before someone would have to stop and realize that they are dealing with someone that just doesn't get it. And to top it off, being incorrigible.

Prime example; a poster types out a response about the topic, sourced, if not source shows the knowledge of the topic. And then you have you hot rod. "Trump is president he smart."

Or if you venture to comment about the topic, you post some unrelated shit like "did you know -insert unrelated fact-." As if it had any contribution to the topic.

It was suggested before, take a nap. The ungodly amount of hours watching Fox and Friends isn't going to help you on this topic, summarily any topic.
Paramount
Member
Mon Mar 05 00:47:24
So now when the stock markets are plumeting, do you think that Dishonest Trump’s cronies are buying stocks cheap, and then in a day or three Trump will say that he was only joking about tariffs and trade war, and the stocks will rise again?
Paramount
Member
Mon Mar 05 11:55:24
It looks like Trump may be joking about the tariffs. Trump is now considering to scrap the tariffs for Mexico and Canada:


”Tariffs on Steel and Aluminum will only come off if new & fair NAFTA agreement is signed.”

http://mob...rump/status/970626966004162560
CrownRoyal
Member
Mon Mar 05 12:41:03
Donald - "We have large trade deficits with Mexico and Canada. "



US has a trade surplus with Canada, but details, details...


"U.S.-Canada Trade Facts

U.S. goods and services trade with Canada totaled an estimated $627.8 billion in 2016. Exports were $320.1 billion; imports were $307.6 billion. The U.S. goods and services trade surplus with Canada was $12.5 billion in 2016."

http://ustr.gov/countries-regions/americas/canada
Delude
Member
Tue Mar 06 07:09:22
Details of course.
TJ
Member
Tue Mar 06 10:36:22
History is the bitch.

http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c1220.html
CrownRoyal
Member
Tue Mar 06 11:04:53
Goods AND services, TJ. US trade rep website has the correct number.


http://www...it-canada-us-donald-trump/amp/
TJ
Member
Tue Mar 06 11:16:16
Globalization 101 I'm sure they do, but I'd like to see the history in a bundle. :) Swings from the rafters.
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