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Rugian
rank Thu Mar 01 20:32:34 2018
Norway set to ban semi-automatic guns from 2021, 10 years after Utoya shooting

‘It has become clear that there is a parliamentary majority in favour’

Move is belated response to 2011 massacre of 69 people by neo-Nazi

AFP in Oslo
Tue 27 Feb 2018 14.33 EST First published on Tue 27 Feb 2018 11.58 EST

Norway plans to ban semi-automatic firearms as of 2021, a decade after rightwing extremist Anders Breivik’s mass shooting that left 69 people dead, a Norwegian lawmaker said on Tuesday.

The minority rightwing government had presented a proposal on the ban last year.

“Today, it has become clear that there is a parliamentary majority in favour of the government’s proposal. Semi-automatic weapons will therefore be banned in Norway,” Peter Frolich, a Conservative member of parliament’s standing committee on judicial affairs, told AFP.

The ban, which would enter into force in 2021, comes amid renewed debate on semi-automatic weapons in the United States, following a school shooting in Florida that claimed the lives of 17 students and teachers on 14 February.

Utøya massacre re-enactment stuns Berlin audiences

The massacre in Norway took place on 22 July 2011, when disguised as a police officer and armed with a Ruger Mini-14 semi-automatic rifle and a Glock pistol, Breivik killed 69 people, most of them teenagers who were attending a Labour party youth camp.

Just a few hours before the camp attack, he had killed eight people in a bombing outside a government building in Oslo.

In a 2012 report, a commission tasked with drawing conclusions from the attacks had called for a ban on semi-automatic weapons, one of its 31 recommendations.

“This decision is a very good thing, even if it comes belatedly,” the head of a victims’ support group, Lisbeth Kristine Royneland, said.

The bill allows for several exemptions, in particular for shooting sports.

Frolich attributed the long delay in drafting the proposal to the fact that many hunters in Norway use semi-automatic firearms.

It was not immediately clear how the new law would affect hunters.

Breivik, 39, who now goes by the name Fjotolf Hansen, was sentenced in 2012 to 21 years in prison, which can be extended indefinitely as long as he remains a threat to society.

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swordtail
rank Thu Mar 01 20:51:48 2018
what would max manus say

jergul
rank Thu Mar 01 22:05:12 2018
Armories are only defended with padlocks and we have universal conscription.

I don't see an issue. Neither would Max.

Rugian
rank Thu Mar 01 22:30:26 2018
"In practice recruits are not forced to serve, instead only those who are motivated are selected.[1] About 60,000 Norwegians are available for conscription every year, but only 8,000 to 10,000 are conscripted."

Not as universal as you make it out.

jergul
rank Thu Mar 01 23:29:27 2018
Remember that conscription is universal, to the 60k includes women.

I am not happy with the number, but it still is significant (to my mind consciption is both a duty and a right. Democracy standing on the shoulders of citizen-soldiers. But there are a lot of caveats that in sum formulate my entire outlook on defense).

jergul
rank Thu Mar 01 23:30:22 2018
(59k were born in Norway in 2008. Consciption is meant to start the year in which a person turns 19).

jergul
rank Thu Mar 01 23:30:33 2018
Gah in 2000 rather.

Hot Rod
rank Thu Mar 01 23:52:49 2018

Conscription is involuntary servitude.

Cold Rod
rank Fri Mar 02 01:06:18 2018
Yet you were just praising Israel for their conscription in another post regarding school shootings.

jergul
rank Fri Mar 02 12:19:50 2018
HR
Obviously not when opt-outs are easily assessible.

It is a duty and a right of any citizen.

Formulated in your constitution as "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"

But from your POV, enlistment is indentured servitude. Particularly when backed by draconian punishment for breech of service.

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Rugian rank	Thu Mar 01 20:32:34 2018 Norway set to ban semi-automatic guns from 2021, 10 years after Utoya shooting ‘It has become clear that there is a parliamentary majority in favour’ Move is belated response to 2011 massacre of 69 people by neo-Nazi AFP in Oslo Tue 27 Feb 2018 14.33 EST First published on Tue 27 Feb 2018 11.58 EST Norway plans to ban semi-automatic firearms as of 2021, a decade after rightwing extremist Anders Breivik’s mass shooting that left 69 people dead, a Norwegian lawmaker said on Tuesday. The minority rightwing government had presented a proposal on the ban last year. “Today, it has become clear that there is a parliamentary majority in favour of the government’s proposal. Semi-automatic weapons will therefore be banned in Norway,” Peter Frolich, a Conservative member of parliament’s standing committee on judicial affairs, told AFP. The ban, which would enter into force in 2021, comes amid renewed debate on semi-automatic weapons in the United States, following a school shooting in Florida that claimed the lives of 17 students and teachers on 14 February. Utøya massacre re-enactment stuns Berlin audiences The massacre in Norway took place on 22 July 2011, when disguised as a police officer and armed with a Ruger Mini-14 semi-automatic rifle and a Glock pistol, Breivik killed 69 people, most of them teenagers who were attending a Labour party youth camp. Just a few hours before the camp attack, he had killed eight people in a bombing outside a government building in Oslo. In a 2012 report, a commission tasked with drawing conclusions from the attacks had called for a ban on semi-automatic weapons, one of its 31 recommendations. “This decision is a very good thing, even if it comes belatedly,” the head of a victims’ support group, Lisbeth Kristine Royneland, said. The bill allows for several exemptions, in particular for shooting sports. Frolich attributed the long delay in drafting the proposal to the fact that many hunters in Norway use semi-automatic firearms. It was not immediately clear how the new law would affect hunters. Breivik, 39, who now goes by the name Fjotolf Hansen, was sentenced in 2012 to 21 years in prison, which can be extended indefinitely as long as he remains a threat to society. http://www...ay-guns-ban-semi-automatic-law
swordtail rank	Thu Mar 01 20:51:48 2018 what would max manus say
jergul rank	Thu Mar 01 22:05:12 2018 Armories are only defended with padlocks and we have universal conscription. I don't see an issue. Neither would Max.
Rugian rank	Thu Mar 01 22:30:26 2018 "In practice recruits are not forced to serve, instead only those who are motivated are selected.[1] About 60,000 Norwegians are available for conscription every year, but only 8,000 to 10,000 are conscripted." Not as universal as you make it out.
jergul rank	Thu Mar 01 23:29:27 2018 Remember that conscription is universal, to the 60k includes women. I am not happy with the number, but it still is significant (to my mind consciption is both a duty and a right. Democracy standing on the shoulders of citizen-soldiers. But there are a lot of caveats that in sum formulate my entire outlook on defense).
jergul rank	Thu Mar 01 23:30:22 2018 (59k were born in Norway in 2008. Consciption is meant to start the year in which a person turns 19).
jergul rank	Thu Mar 01 23:30:33 2018 Gah in 2000 rather.
Hot Rod rank	Thu Mar 01 23:52:49 2018 Conscription is involuntary servitude.
Cold Rod rank	Fri Mar 02 01:06:18 2018 Yet you were just praising Israel for their conscription in another post regarding school shootings.
jergul rank	Fri Mar 02 12:19:50 2018 HR Obviously not when opt-outs are easily assessible. It is a duty and a right of any citizen. Formulated in your constitution as "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" But from your POV, enlistment is indentured servitude. Particularly when backed by draconian punishment for breech of service.
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