Utopia Talk / Politics / Trump saves the world - NK edition

obaminated Member	Tue Mar 06 19:47:42 GEOTUS https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/03/06/world/asia/north-korea-south-nuclear-weapons.html?referer=https://www.google.com/
Hot Rod Revved Up	Tue Mar 06 20:59:18 http://mob...eferer=https://www.google.com/
Hot Rod Revved Up	Tue Mar 06 21:04:29 Let's hope Trump wins this all-important one.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Mar 06 21:17:10 Let's hope Trump does nothing but tweet while adults work, like he has so far
Hot Rod Revved Up	Tue Mar 06 21:37:52 tw, give it up. There is no way you can believe that crap. You just spout it to make yourself feel like a BMOC.
obaminated Member	Tue Mar 06 21:42:03 TW, trump is going to stop world war 3 by his alpha male tweets that clearly intimidate rocket man. Meanwhile Obama and is cuckholded admin bent over and let rocket man rape their wives. We should all be thankful that trump decided to leave his lucrative tv deal to save us all from a horrifying nuclear apocalypse.
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Mar 06 21:43:22 you think Trump is intimately involved in the NK situation? has he ever demonstrated any depth of knowledge on this or any other issue?
obaminated Member	Tue Mar 06 21:48:02 all posturing aside, you must be a fool if you think trump's behavior isnt the reason rocket man is willing to come to the bargaining table. whether he is writing down specifics for a peace deal isn't important. He slapped his dick on the table, rocket man tried to the do the same but trump kept doing it and rocket man nerviously shoved his dick back in his pants. Trump's alpha dog/i wont back down behavior has clearly intimidated kimmy.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Tue Mar 06 21:49:34 AMEN to that. All of you people that don't believe in Trump watch the U.S. representatives. As soon as the NK's go off script and try to change the dialogue from giving up their Nukes. We will get up and walk out.
hood Member	Tue Mar 06 21:56:07 "you must be a fool if you think trump's behavior isnt the reason rocket man is willing to come to the bargaining table" Yes, deranged psychopaths generally frighten people, especially when such psychopaths have the keys to nukes. NK knows they cannot take on a US legitimately willing to glass them. I guess you could call this a win, but I wouldn't call it good.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Tue Mar 06 22:03:13 It's not over yet.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Tue Mar 06 22:10:17 hood - "you must be a fool if you think trump's behavior isnt the reason rocket man is willing to come to the bargaining table" I think Kim knows that Trump is very, very, very serious. And he would like to come out of this still leading his country.
obaminated Member	Tue Mar 06 22:35:06 "i wouldn't call stopping a nuclear war a good thing because it was done rudely" - hood
hood Member	Tue Mar 06 22:52:05 "demanding compliance at the tip of a nuclear missile is moral" - mt
tumbleweed the wanderer	Tue Mar 06 22:55:16 Kim is going to have demands that no normal president would agree to, but hopes the idiot child will go for it
obaminated Member	Tue Mar 06 23:01:41 "Preventing millions of lives from being lost by being rude and demanding is a bad things!!!!!1111" - hood
Hot Rod Revved Up	Wed Mar 07 00:05:36 No doubt you think this is another ploy by Kim. It will not work.
hood Member	Wed Mar 07 00:09:28 ""Preventing millions of lives from being lost by being rude and demanding is a bad things!!!!!1111" - hood" You realize that being rude and demanding is exactly what NK has been doing for years, right? And that they have been doing it to protect the millions of citizens of the country? "USA is great by being a bigger North Korea" - mt
obaminated Member	Wed Mar 07 00:24:09 "hey Trump! Looks like youre being a big jerk and no one is happy!" - Hood "Hey trump, your big dick attitude scares me and I want to do what you say" Kim "Hey, well, hello there Mr Kim, you are uh, you are uh, tyrant, but you arent a bad man, uh, mr kim, you are a man, you are a man who, uh, you are a man who believes in what he says and, uh, you are, uh, you are a man who says what he believes" - Obama
obaminated Member	Wed Mar 07 00:25:19 Guess who got Kim to offer giving up his nukes? ROFL
yankeessuck123 Member	Wed Mar 07 03:06:30 "offer" Kim says lots of things. He won't be giving up his nukes.
mexicantardnado Member	Wed Mar 07 04:06:38 Duuurr, I believe NK, because they duuur are honorable are said they duuuur "might" give up their nukes duuuuur, its been reported, so its a definite duuuuuuur
mexicantardnado Member	Wed Mar 07 04:14:39 duuuuur I forget duuuuuur history duuuuur of similar offers duuuuuur http://en....e_North_Korean_nuclear_program duuuuur I am so duuuuu mtarded duuuuur
American Democrat Member	Wed Mar 07 04:34:39 "As soon as the NK's go off script and try to change the dialogue from giving up their Nukes. We will get up and walk out." Yes, as it has happened numerous times before. This is not all surprising. And the end result will most probable be the same; North Korea not giving up their nuclear program. "you must be a fool if you think trump's behavior isnt the reason rocket man is willing to come to the bargaining table. whether he is writing down specifics for a peace deal isn't important. He slapped his dick on the table, rocket man tried to the do the same but trump kept doing it and rocket man nerviously shoved his dick back in his pants. Trump's alpha dog/i wont back down behavior has clearly intimidated kimmy. " You soon forget history of the of how Kim Jong Un and/or his father operates/operated. I do find it rather amusing that you are 'giddy' about this as it is some breakthrough that has never been done before. Where in reality the bridge as been walked before until it's collapse. In fact, you should thank South Korea more than anything to even gotten this far. But, I am sure with your extensive knowledge of history and various facts you would be able to formulate that notion...
Hot Rod Revved Up	Wed Mar 07 08:01:54 "And the end result will most probable be the same; North Korea not giving up their nuclear program." Not this time.
American Democrat Member	Wed Mar 07 08:59:39 I see. Care to point out your educated guess as to why or is this faith?
Hot Rod Revved Up	Wed Mar 07 09:50:56 Confidence.
obaminated Member	Wed Mar 07 10:12:14 Yes, we all remember the time North Korea wanted to surrender their nukes under Obama.
American Democrat Member	Wed Mar 07 10:23:02 Thus remains how completely ignorant you are of this very situation.
obaminated Member	Wed Mar 07 10:28:42 ^ likes to make pretentious statements when casual statements would accomplish the same task.
American Democrat Member	Wed Mar 07 10:47:53 I cannot help but to point out your red herrings. I can only conclude that you are either ignorant or incapable of discussion.
obaminated Member	Wed Mar 07 10:56:46 ^ continues to post pretentious statements when casual comments would work.
American Democrat Member	Wed Mar 07 11:04:55 As you still remain using red herrings with no contributions to any debate.
obaminated Member	Wed Mar 07 11:12:05 "Uuhhh im pretentious... should make a new account cause no one takes this one seriously...."
American Democrat Member	Wed Mar 07 11:23:46 What is the matter? Are you finally out of red herrings? Or are you going to jump on the bandwagon, as you are doing, about the concept of a denucleruized North Korea that has been attempted for decades. As you keep referring to Obama as if he was the only administration that had to deal with it.
TJ Member	Wed Mar 07 11:54:26 Three past administrations have tried tough talks, as well as sanctions, and it’s telling to see how they all ended in failure, but Trump is different even though he may end with the same history. There are a few differences, but the outstanding one is the unpredictable rhetoric. It's the kind of power or leverage that past Presidential administrations didn’t effectively convey. Walking the tightrope. I wouldn't bet on the outcome. More talk and no effective action will deliver equal result. The sanctions have tightened, because of that unpredictability.
hood Member	Wed Mar 07 12:40:00 To translate: Trump is batshit and people are legit frightened he might drop nukes. Somehow this is a good thing, even though it might not change the outcome.
TJ Member	Wed Mar 07 13:22:10 You translated incorrectly. I didn't provide an opinion on good or bad. Simply an honest assessment of the situation. I wouldn't bet on the outcome not being the same as past Presidents.
Forwyn Member	Wed Mar 07 13:22:12 "demanding compliance at the tip of a nuclear missile is moral" We've established that standard diplomacy does jack shit when it comes to NK, especially when China continues to protect them. Sometimes braggadocio is what is needed. "He won't be giving up his nukes." Probably smart, we saw what happened to Gaddafi and the attempts to emulate that yet again with Assad.
murder Member	Wed Mar 07 16:25:26 North Korea is NOT giving up their nukes. They also demand an official end to the Korean War. And they want the US the fuck out of the Korean peninsula. None of this is new. None of this is going to change. Even if Trump capitulates and gives them everything they want, they still aren't giving up their nukes. This is so because: 1. They don't want to. 2. They don't have to. 3. Saddam & Gaddafi. Giving up your wmd ends in us killing you.
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Mar 07 19:51:14 NK didn't blink when GWB withdrew from the Clinton's Sunshine deal in 2002, they just reopened their reactor in response, and started to produce plutonium, eventually having enough to make a nuke. And that was when they did not have a nuclear weapon. Now they do, so even hypothetically speaking, what they would ask in return would make sunshine deal pale in comparison. Grain, money, lightwater nuclear rectors to begin with, remember how GOP trashed clinton for all that? Of course that was with the papa Kim in charge, maybe the kid Kim has less balls. But it doesn't sound like he does. And speaking of Donald's craziness and unpredictability, back then NK went against hardcore neocons like Cheney, who actually thought that wars are good and lead to peace, i think they might like their chances against Trump, no matter how supposedly crazy he is
CrownRoyal Member	Wed Mar 07 19:54:12 "3. Saddam & Gaddafi. " ukraine is more proper comparison, they actually had nukes, unlike iraq and libya, and gave them all up in return for the agreement guaranteeing ukraine's territorial integrity, signed by russia, US and UK. You know how that turned out.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Wed Mar 07 19:55:49 Or maybe Trump will tell Kim to give up his nukes or lose his kingdom.
murder Member	Wed Mar 07 22:07:22 Trump isn't doing shit. He's been bluffing for over a year, but he's already shown his ass to the world. He doesn't scare anyone.
Hot Rod Revved Up	Wed Mar 07 22:13:47 You could be wrong.
obaminated Member	Thu Mar 08 10:32:32 Yeah, remember all the times Kim offered up his nukes to Obama? x2
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Mar 08 13:37:16 Remember how many times that everyone thought Trump was full of poop?
American Democrat Member	Thu Mar 08 14:07:22 "Yeah, remember all the times Kim offered up his nukes to Obama? x2 " Ah yes, the continuing perpetuation of obsession over Obama. As if this has anything to do with him as you continue to inaccurately say that only NK under Kim had nukes when it is a historical fact that the nuclear program has been in developed for decades. I have to ask; what exactly is your point other than making an irrelevant post? Are you still suck in the fantasy world that Trump was the only president that has made progress when this is in fact history repeating itself? Would you like to refer to the link that was submitted showing the many other instances of the same rhetoric conducted by North Korea?
obaminated Member	Thu Mar 08 17:13:12 Well, i guess i focus on obama because he punted and let nk acquire nukes. So yeah, he gets most of the blame. Meanwhile, under trump NK is attempting to make strides to accept peace because kim cant compete with trumps dick wagging. No one can.
American Democrat Member	Thu Mar 08 18:00:51 So decades in the making that NK was developing its nuclear programs a weapons. And you only blame Obama? Too funny.
American Democrat Member	Thu Mar 08 18:11:39 *and weapons
obaminated Member	Thu Mar 08 18:26:05 Haha, trump is gonna have a one on one with kim. So kim says his nukes are on the bargaining table. And now he wants to enter the court of GEOTUS. When has this happened before?
Hot Rod Revved Up	Thu Mar 08 18:34:00 Bill Clinton started helping the North to get into the nuclear business. He gave them a reactor.
TJ Member	Thu Mar 08 18:37:55 "When has this happened before?" It hasn't happened yet. Never before.
murder Member	Fri Mar 09 07:37:51 I'm old enough to remember Republicans criticizing Clinton for negotiating with North Korea. It's funny watching the Trumpbots praising Trump for meeting with Kim Jong Fool ... when the reason why we've never met with him is to not grant him legitimacy and stature. Trump is going to do both and get nothing in return. This is bound to lead to a few more resignations.
murder Member	Fri Mar 09 07:47:16 "Bill Clinton started helping the North to get into the nuclear business. He gave them a reactor." They already had a reactor. Clinton made a deal to replace it and others being built with reactors that made it harder to produce weapons grade material. And btw "W" killed the deal.
American Democrat Member	Fri Mar 09 08:05:03 Which is a very valid point. Though I will gather that the argument presented will be "time have changed and things are different now" or echoing what is currently being done "it isn't Obama" so therefore it is legitimate because Trump is doing it. I have a feeling, and this is based on history and previous experiences regarding North Korea that this will amount to nothing and it was a public relations fiasco by the "show me" President. This is falling more into the hands of NK than for the US and will most likely end up making the US look foolish.
murder Member	Fri Mar 09 10:19:35 Knowing Donald Trump, there will be no meeting.
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